YTSEJAM Digest 1918
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Bafu, Belgium, Heavy Music
by te95mne@student.hgs.se (MIKA NUMMINEN)
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1916
by esb01@students.stir.ac.uk (E. Ballinger)
3) Whining: It's What's For Dinner
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
4) Re: Video from the Con on the net.
by Jan Melander <jan.melander@got.wmdata.se>
5) NO DTC - Dalbello
by Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1916
by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
7) Ytse-drunkards unite
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
8) About SUBJECT LINES
by cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers)
9) Category
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
10) RE: Taping the Con
by Jay Runde <jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com>
11) Re: Fates/'tage/Los Bastardos
by te95mne@student.hgs.se (MIKA NUMMINEN)
12) When the fly drops...the ytse will jam
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
13) New Album, The Con, Questions, etc...
by "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
14) Re: DTribute?
by "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
15) Re: DT Official Web Page
by "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1916
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
17) NO DTC - I need help
by vanzin@infinity.com.br
18) Spock's Beard
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:03:38 +0200
From: te95mne@student.hgs.se (MIKA NUMMINEN)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Bafu, Belgium, Heavy Music
Message-ID: <199610100900.LAA20097@adeptus.student.hgs.se>
Bernd Basmer wrote:
>Hi!
>
[cutcutcut]
>I got an email from a French guy that bought our CD and besides
>that he likes the CD [:)] he told me that he thinks that it was
>"courageous to make a heavy metal record in 1996". This brought
>me to the question what kind of music is not courageous to do
>in "1996"... Tekkno? HipHop? I don't know. But this brings me
>to another question... Are these music styles (for example
>Tekkno or HipHop) also able to create emotions like - let's
>say - rock music does?
I'd say that they are, to the people who enjoy them, I know that people I
know describe the stuff as emotional, at least the ones who listen to
TripHop and stuff (kinda more musical that your normal Gansta' Rap), but on
the other hand, I feel that most of the songs that are played just are
catchy, with one riff that drives the song, and have no build up parts, I
think the only artist here in Europe that has been able to create moods in
techno is the guy in U96 (or whatever that band is called), he has build up
parts and stuff in the songs that makes it able to feel emotional (saying
this, I'm the guy who starts to shriver when ever I hear the minor9 chord
that Petrucci uses all over DT records)... Do I make sence?? What I'm trying
to say, is that I think that certain harmonies can make a song emotional
(for example Robert Miles's songs).... What do you other guys think???
Later,
Mika Numminen, aka Viking
MAIL: te95mne@student.hgs.se
URL: http://www.hgs.se/~te95mne
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it that in the process he does not become
a monster. And when you look long into an
abyss, the abyss also looks into you."
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:28:27 +0100
From: esb01@students.stir.ac.uk (E. Ballinger)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1916
Message-ID: <v01520d01ae826e670551@[139.153.41.157]>
In Jam 1916 Andrew Berry wrote:
>The problem is that not only does Lars have a small kit, but he doesn't
>do very much with it either. I'm not saying that a drummer should play
>like a maniac through every song, but I wish Lars would do *something* a
>bit different now and then. OK, he does the odd fill or whatever
>occasionally but nothing which actually grabs your attention.
You're right there. His playing is also very simple on the Black album, and
he had his big kit then. When you hear his earlier stuff he's a lot more
complex. He was interviewed recently in Rhythm magazine and he said he was
consciously trying to play simply.
It all comes down to playing what is right for the song. DTs music wouldn't
be the same without Portnoy's complex drumming, but playing like that in
every song is unnecessary. Knowing when to lay back and just play a simple
groove is just as (if not more) important as actually being able to play
the complex stuff.
P.S. Portnoy says in the latest I&W fanzine that the songs he finds hardest
to play are the simple ones like LSOAD and Another Day. Food for thought...
Cheers... Edd.
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 03:30:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Whining: It's What's For Dinner
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.961010032356.38682K-100000@homer22.u.washington.edu>
> From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
> Subject: the con/Magna Carta
>
> bafu writes:
>> Are we supposed to guess? Uh... Mike Bahr doesn't have a job. Mike
>> Bahr isn't in school taking 18 credits of classes. Mike Bahr isn't
>> busy crafting new changes with his eyes. Mike Bahr didn't just drive
>> from Bethesda, MD, to Seattle, WA, and feels rather peppy about
>> travelling across the country. Or maybe it's just that Mike Bahr has
>> more power than Donald Trump and Pat Choate put together.
>
> Quit whining Bafu. I am sure no one held a gun to your head and said
> "You must go to school as far away as possible". Then again maybe your
> parents did.... :P
Let it be known that on this day, October 8th, 1996, Pat Daugherty has
decreed it to be so that any descriptions of Real Life shall now be
synonymous with "whining," and will be shunned. Furthermore, if anyone on
this list knows anyone else on this list in Real Life, they may neither
joke about the other nor mention the other's name in a post to this list.
To do so would constitute "whining."
(would you prefer that I annoyingly ask why all you guys chose to live so
far away from Seattle?)
Bafu
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 13:29:49 +0200
From: Jan Melander <jan.melander@got.wmdata.se>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Video from the Con on the net.
Message-ID: <9610101225.AA25167@goethe.got.wmdata.se>
This is a good idea, You only have to make the taping once and then put
it on (Yours/someones) web site and let everyone interested download it,
but please do it in segments...
>As far as the idea for makeing .avis of the video, this is something I
>was already concidering. I have a Diamond Stealth 64 2201 TV card with
>2MB of RAM, and I can do .avi capture. I can do this myself if I decide
>to... I just haven't decided yet. But I promise you'll all be the third
>to know. :)
Consider QuickTime as it is a format that is playable not only on PC's
but also on Macs and Unix workstations.
Cheers,
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Jan Melander
WM-Data
jan.melander@got.wmdata.se
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"Until the circle breaks and wisdom lies ahead,
The faithful live Awake, the rest remain misled"
Innocence Faded - Dream Theater
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 14:42 DFT
From: Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NO DTC - Dalbello
Message-ID: <m0vBKRK-0002kcC@tellus.thn.htu.se>
HI!
I'm sorry about this, but I'm some jams behind and some of you talked a lot
about Dalbello. Can you E-mail me privately and recommend me any albums.
I've just found some $ 10-CDs.
Thanks a lot...
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Henrik Gustafsson
Quality deployer
henrik@thn.htu.se +46 (0)520 47 50 49 (fax +46 (0)520 47 50 99)
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:44:43 -0500 (EST)
From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1916
Message-ID: <v01510104ae826775ae1d@[137.238.26.12]>
>Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 15:28:47 PST
>From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Re: YtseCon I (or... A Stroll Down Memory Lane)...
>Message-ID: <9609098449.AA844901375@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
> Man, Babs you don't remember much (not even you dancing on the tables,
>eh? <G>)... were you sipping on the Jager in between doling out shots? Was
>Derek trying to get you drunk or something <G>... hehehe
Oh sure, try to pawn it off on Derek. It was YOU and the two partiers from
CT (sorry to throw you to the wolves Timmy, but I must defend my honor)!
As for the dancing on tables bit - keep your fantasies to yourself Mike...
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 14:46:19 +0200
From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de
Subject: Ytse-drunkards unite
Message-ID: <9610101246.AA00304@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
for all of you piss-artists going to the Ytsecon(dom) at the weekend, here is
a little cocktail that you might like to try at your own danger. I stumbled
upon in (and after it) earlier this week.
The Blue Shark (sounds almost like Zappa's last album)
1 measure tequila
1 measure vodka
1 measure blue curacao
Mix, serve on ice, wait for head to explode. (Could this mark the return of the
Ytse drinking game?)
Drink four or five of these babies and you'll be happy when Green Day turn up
to give the world premiere of Metropolis II played on comb and paper.
Anybody heard anything by either of these bands: Dreamryche or Queenstheater?
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Die Toten Hosen - Reich und Sexy
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 13:42:16 GMT
From: cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers)
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List)
Subject: About SUBJECT LINES
Message-ID: <M.101096.154216.12@wxs5-10.worldaccess.nl>
OK, I might be stupid and all, but why can't everybody have good subject
lines? I am increasingly pressed for time of late and I only scan the start of
each 'Jam to see if subjects appeal to me. Especially a "Re: Ytsejam #xxxx"
line says NOTHING and is therefore skipped.
I am probably not the only one with this approach. Come on, people, we are a
bunch of progressive people, and to get your thoughts across you have to
advertise what your thoughts are by using a decent subject line that will
immediately attract those that feel 'aroused' by it.
Incidentally, I hope mine was any good.
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:13:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Category Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961010101035.24300F-100000@bdmserver>
I would categorize Enchant as being in the same category as Rush-progressive rock.
I would call Superior progressive metal...
It is a shame that the yankees need a 12 year old and a blind ump to win a game...
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Hail to the Redskins 4-1 * Go Orioles-Whip the Yankees!!!!!!!!!! | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 10:45:12 CDT From: Jay Runde <jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: Taping the Con Message-ID: <199610101546.IAA20097@pawn.ax.com>
Larry Odneal wrote:
> IF - big if - If Pat or someone can send me a copy of that 8mm tape of the > Con, I can make video files of the highlights and distribute them to > everybody who has a 486 or better computer running Windows 3.1 or 95. A
If he would be willing to do this. I would be willing to offer to put these onto a CD for anyone who would want one. There would be a nominal charge to cover the costs of the blank CD's and shipping. It would probably would be ending up at about $15 or so.
Also, for those of you who might be wondering about the DT tape tree. I am going to be putting the structure out tomorrow.
-- James Runde - Glenayre One Glenayre Way Quincy, IL 62301 jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com Compassion -- that's the one thing no machine ever had. Maybe it's the one thing that keeps men ahead of them. -- McCoy, stardate 4731.3
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:51:04 +0200 From: te95mne@student.hgs.se (MIKA NUMMINEN) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Fates/'tage/Los Bastardos Message-ID: <199610100848.KAA18032@adeptus.student.hgs.se>
>I just got Fates' No Exit the other day, and am not too sure what to >think about it. I haven't given it a real good listen yet, but so far, >I'm just not sure. This may be a good sign if I really get into it >later. I just don't know.
>I don't end up getting into No Exit, I'll still be interested since I've >heard a lot about them here, and really dig their version of "Closer to >the Heart" on Working Man.
Check out Inside Out!!!!! The perfect progressive metal album!!! An incredible album! You get out and buy it man!!!
Mika Numminen, aka Viking
MAIL: te95mne@student.hgs.se URL: http://www.hgs.se/~te95mne ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you."
Nietzsche "Beyond good and evil" ------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:06:40 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: The Jaminatrix List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: When the fly drops...the ytse will jam Message-ID: <325D1F10.33FA@mailstorm.dot.gov>
Heard this joke the other day. It's seems longer that probably should be, but I'm paraphrasing a little:
Well, there was fish who noticed a fly just above the water and said, "You know, if that fly would drop just six inches, I'd be able to jump out of the water and grab it."
Meanwhile, a bear was watching the whole scene and uttered, "If that fly would drop just six inches, the fish would jump out of the water, grab the fly and I'd be able to grab the fish."
Of course, a hunter saw all of this: "If that fly would drop just six inches, the fish would jump out of the water, grab the fly, the bear would go after the fish and I'd be able to shoot the bear."
A mouse was nearby: "If that fly would drop just six inches, the fish would jump out of the water, grab the fly, the bear would go after the fish and while the hunter was busy shooting the bear I'd be able to steal the hunter's lunch.
Enter, the cat: "If that fly would drop just six inches, the fish would jump out of the water, grab the fly, the bear would go after the fish, the hunter would shoot the bear, the mouse would steal the hunter's lunch and I'd be able get that mouse."
Sure enough, the fly dropped six inches. Well, the cat darts out, overruns the mouse and goes sliding into the lake, completely drenching itself.
The moral of the story: Wherever there's a fly that's willing to drop six inches, there sure to be a wet pussy to follow...
:)
If you thought this was offensive, imagine my surprise when the WOMAN told me the punch line!
*------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:15:37 -0600 (CST) From: "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@academ01.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New Album, The Con, Questions, etc... Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961010111345.48168F-100000@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
I have some questions... First...what is the con? second...where are you guys getting all the information about the new album, the songs, and when it is suppositly going out? third...Can I go with a camera to the G3 show in san antonio? Thanks
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:06:32 -0600 (CST) From: "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@academ01.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DTribute? Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961010110620.48168C-100000@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
How can I get a copy of the tribute?
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:06:00 -0600 (CST) From: "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@academ01.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT Official Web Page Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961010110335.48168B-100000@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
Anyone who has interviews or text about Dream Theater send it to me, I have a scanner so I can scan everything.... what if a group of us start making the design for the page... something like one person do the main page, other compiles all the audio, other the videos, other person makes the FAQ in html format, and I'll convert everything you send me to hlmt format... how about that?
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On Wed, 9 Oct 1996 mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM wrote:
> Hey gang, > > For any Kate Bush fans out there, check out the web page at: > http://www.gryphon.com/gaffa > > It has just about anything and everything you could want to know about > Kate. It is put together by a group of people on the LoveHounds > mailing list... > > This got me thinking... Now, the Ytsejammers are just as dedicated, > nitpicky and rabid as the Kate fans are <G>... We could do this as > well... A group effort to make the Official web site the biggest and > baddest on the 'Net... I am sure that Jeff wouldn't mind help in > typing up every article, interview, etc. and getting them HTMLized. > Plus i am sure we have some great graphic arts people out there that > could really design some cool buttons, backdrops, etc.... So what do > you guys think? > > I don't want to step on Jeff's toes, but thought I would throw this > out here to be discussed... > > ~Mike > .~~~~~~~ Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) ~~~~~~~. > | Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com (preferred) -or- mkizer@goodnet.com | > | URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer <--- Dream Theater Song Book here! | > '~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~' > >
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:38:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1916 Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.961010133532.3305A-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
I know part of this has been said before, but here goes again. Please don't insult people's taste. To the guy who likes Yani, I've been studying music theory for a while now. I don't like Yani's music nor believe that he has much tallent going into it. I don't admire the violinist who played with him because she stayed on the same blues scale runs for most of the music and then did little bow tricks. Even though I really don't like this music, I don't think you have bad taste. If you could prove me wrong, perhaps my mind would be opened, or perhaps I would still dislike them. Be well and take care. M B
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:36:12 +0300 From: vanzin@infinity.com.br To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NO DTC - I need help Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.10.10.-16.36.12.3163793292.121043@infinity.com.br>
Hey fellow jammerz,
As there are many people here, I decided to ask for some help :)
I'm a Linux new user and I am having some difficulties. If there's anybody here who know Linux please e-mail me so I can be more specific.
Thankyee in advance.
[]'s Marcelo Vanzin Sao Paulo - Brazil vanzin@geocities.com vanzin@infinity.com.br vanzin@dreamt.org http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/index.html Always in the #ytsejam! ------------------------- This message was sent by INFINITY. IP:206.138.205.57 WWW:http://www.infinity.com.br
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:49:54 -0600 From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Spock's Beard Message-ID: <s25ce5c5.087@IOMEGA.COM>
Fellow jam readers, I got Spock's Beard yesterday in the mail. As you know, this has a recommndation from Mike Portnoy. Knowing this, at first listen, it was not what I expected. I expected Animal on the drums and radical time sigs and such. So after the first listen I just sat there, not knowing whether to wind my watch or scratch my ass. Now this is not a bad thing, I just wasn't expecting what I heard. This was last night. Today, I brought it to work and have been listening to it non-stop for about 4 hours, which is about 4 times.
I can now say I like this, no REALLY LIKE this album. It is VERY different from anything else I have. The closest comparison I can come to this is Saga meets Steeley Dan while listening to King Crimson. Now, I never liked SD and Saga has just been OK with me. But there's something about this that keeps me wanting to listen to this over and over. I have had some positive comments from colleagues that hear this over my Dilber cube.
I agree with the guy who said the production is like listening to them in your living room. Not overproduced or underproduced. Everything is quite clear.
I will conclude this mini review with a recommendation to get this when and if you can. Very interesting stuff.
Later, Wilmo
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