YTSEJAM Digest 1917
Today's Topics:
1) FS: Rush 1st row Albany NY
by "J. Kerr" <cathexis@acmenet.net>
2) Mike Portnoy and those dang drum solos
by "'THE HAND...' R. Ananda" <spod@u.washington.edu>
3) Re: Jammers, Lies, and Videotape
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1916
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
5) Con videos...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
6) Lyric file for new Journey single (for US single)
by rquezada@shell.monmouth.com
7) Bands touring Europe
by blane@nla.gov.au
8) Pronunciation of "Lemur"
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
9) RE: IMPORTANT SAVATAGE - TS0
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
10) Re: DTC: Keyboard Question
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
11) Re: Siberian Orchestra
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1916
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
13) Fates/'tage/Los Bastardos
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
14) Pat's MC bands rating
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
15) Portnoy's Golden Throat
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
16) Enchant
by drkhoe@squirm.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
17) Bafu, Belgium, Heavy Music
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
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Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 23:50:01 -0700
From: "J. Kerr" <cathexis@acmenet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FS: Rush 1st row Albany NY
Message-ID: <325C9C99.179D@acmenet.net>
I have a limited number of first row tickets available for the first
Rush show of the tour, in Albany, NY (Knickerbocker Arena) on Saturday,
October 19. RSVP by October 12 if interested. $85.
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 21:00:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: "'THE HAND...' R. Ananda" <spod@u.washington.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Mike Portnoy and those dang drum solos
Message-ID: <Pine.PTX.3.95c.961009205041.22920A-100000@carson.u.washington.edu>
If you want to see a drum solo that'll make your head spin, check
out Terry Bozzio's Soloing Over Ostinatos. My drum teacher loaned
this to me over a year ago and I still can't play most of it.
Difficult, yet musical.....the finest aspect of music.
Mike Portnoy, and even Neil Peart, by comparison, are POOR
soloists. Mike tends to play difficult groupings of notes on
the kicks and toms, but nothing he does is in this league.
And to those who said that soloing on a five piece is dull, I'd
like to direct your attention to guys like Bill Bruford and Dennis
Chambers.
That is all.
Rahul Ananda : spod@u.washington.edu or thehand@dreamt.org
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:07:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
Subject: Re: Jammers, Lies, and Videotape
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961010000559.15338A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> Gabbo writes:
> > Someone asked about a tape of the Con... Irene and I will have an 8mm
> > camcorder there to tape the good stuff, like the live performances and
> > Mike Bahr's James LaBrie impressions, et all...
>
> Uh-oh. "The good stuff"?? Someone make sure that Gabbo and Irene don't
> mysteriously disappear upstairs into the Marriot with the camcorder...
> <grin>
they can go with the videotape, but someone's gotta get it back.
i can see it now.
"tape tree of irene & gabbo fucking!@"
wow, am i gonna get flamed for that one. i care not.
syrinx has spoken, so it shall be a movie of the week.
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:42:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1916
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961010002440.121116A-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
On Wed, 9 Oct 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>
> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 07:56:29 +1000 (EST)
> From: "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <s875983@student.gu.edu.au>
> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: skid row
> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961010075103.8529C-100000@frodo.student.gu.edu.au>
>
>
> What would you label "Subhuman Race" as? It's definately not a
> "rock" album like their first two albums - totally different sound and
> alot of the riffs are boring.
Some of the riffs do get redundant. But it is definitely still a rock
album. Alot of these songs remind me of "Mudkicker" from "Slave," which
is too bad because it is my least favorite song on that album, though a
much better song than most bands can come up with.
Sure there are some ok tracks but nothing
> really strong - "Beat Yourself Blind" is really stupid, just a waste of time.
>
I don't it's a stupid song. The verse is awesome, as is the bridge. The
chorus is the real week link. I'm sure they could have thought of
something better, or at least less repetitive. But it's not a total write
off. The lyrics are pretty cool otherwise.
> Now don't get me wrong - they are a great band!! I just can't
> imagine Sebastian going off and running around the stage to one of these
> new songs.
When I saw them in L.A. on this most recent tour, the new songs came off
REALLY well, much better than they did on the album. Oh, and when
Sebastian introduced "Beat Yourself Blind" he said, "This next song isn't
about masturbation but...."
To me the drumming sounds grungy
I have to disagree here. The drumming on this thing is the best that Rob
has laid down yet. The end of "Face Against My Soul" says it all.
Their debut album is one of the
> best debut albums I have ever heard - I think I like this alot better
> than "Slave.." where they took a heavier approach.
>
I have to disagree here again. As I said in an earlier post, I think that
"Slave" is one of the best rock albums EVER. The first album was great,
and definitely one of the best debuts I've heard, but they came into
their own with "Slave." It's heavier, but it's also better (the two do
not necessarily go hand-in-hand).
And who said they were glam - no way - Sebastian got rid of the
> makeup before he joined Skid Row - they are just a rock band .
>
I agree. Besides, I've always thought of glam as an image, not a style of
music.
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Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 15:30:53 +0000
> From: Stan Tyszka <sstys@earthlink.net>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1913
> Message-ID: <325BC52D.6449@earthlink.net>
>
> sorry about this but having probs with netscape. couldnt quote
> dreamnday qouted someone about vince niel re joining motley crue, from
> a reliable source i also heard this, niel is back and john corabi is
> staying on to play an instrument, a rather large tour is in the
> planning stages.
>
> stan
>
> I HIGHLY doubt this is a reality, at least the part about John staying
on to play an instrument. As for the reunion, who knows?
Richie
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:05:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Con videos...
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.961009235722.26117B-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
Please, everyone who's jumping on this one, STOP. All I know at this
point is that Irene and I will be taping some of the Con, I don't know if
I will have the time or ablility to make multiple copies for everyone,
and I know that she won't. Please just wait for this one, and when I'm
ready to let everyone know, I'll post about it.
As far as the idea for makeing .avis of the video, this is something I
was already concidering. I have a Diamond Stealth 64 2201 TV card with
2MB of RAM, and I can do .avi capture. I can do this myself if I decide
to... I just haven't decided yet. But I promise you'll all be the third
to know. :)
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 01:09:13 +0000
From: rquezada@shell.monmouth.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lyric file for new Journey single (for US single)
Message-ID: <199610100505.BAA27291@shell.monmouth.com>
There's a new lyric file for my CD player on my WWW site for
Journey's new single. It's only been tested on the US single for
When You Love a Woman.
If you need a copy of my CD player, go to
http://www.monmouth.com/~rquezada/home.html
The lyric files are located at
http://www.monmouth.com/~rquezada/RQs_CDLyric.html
You can find a link to the lyric file page from the CD Player WWW page.
The new version is almost finished. I hope to have it finished
by October 22. It supports multiple CD drives, JPEG pictures, and
track programming.
BTW, does anyone know a Journey mailing list?
rq
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http://www.monmouth.com/~rquezada/home.html
RQ's CD Player (Freeware for Windows NT/Win95)
*Uses special lyric files to view lyrics as they're sung.
*Can download these lyric files from internet and use them easily
*Divide songs into indices
*Example lyric files & instructions on how to make your own
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:24:51 +0000
From: blane@nla.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bands touring Europe
Message-ID: <199610100527.PAA32709@email.nla.gov.au>
Greetings disciples of the Jam,
Just a quick note. Can anyone give me any info on upcoming tours
or prog/metal bands in Europe in the next 3-4 months. ANY info would
be wildy appreciated.
Blurt
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CSC Australia Phone: +61 6 262 1659
A Unit of Computer Sciences Corporation FAX: +61 6 273 2116
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 96 22:44:22 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Pronunciation of "Lemur"
Message-ID: <9610100544.AA05314@tengs1>
It's in the dictionary :^)>
I wonder if they really do sound like this...
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:40:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: IMPORTANT SAVATAGE - TS0
Message-ID: <199610100540.AAA09313@parka.winternet.com>
> BTW, in other Atlantic news, ALL SAVATAGE FANS LISTEN UP: Very soon there
> is going to be a release by a group called Trans-Siberian Orchestra
> called "Christmas Eve And Other Stories." This album is partly the
Yes, I am listening to the album right now!!! Yeah it is a little early for
Christams music, but since I have been finishing up the TSO web site I
figured it only fair to be listening to the music while working.
Yes it is a concept album from beginning to end. I keep finding new things
of interest in the story each time I listen. It probably took 2 or 3 good
listens for totally fall in love with it.
CHECK OUT THE TSO WEB PAGES AT:
http://www.winternet.com/~savaweb/tso
The album will be released October 15th. Soon after that they will begin
shooting a Video for "Christmas Eve / Sarajavo 12-24" which is included on
both TSO and Savatage's DWD.
Enjoy!!!
See ya at the Con III
nathan bradley
savaweb@winternet.com
http://www.winternet.com/~savaweb/
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:46:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DTC: Keyboard Question
Message-ID: <199610100546.AAA09350@parka.winternet.com>
>
> In the liner notes, it states that Jordan Rudess had played with
> Dream Theater. When was this?
>
Jordan played the Foundations Forum gig before Derek came aboard.
nathan bradley
savaweb@winternet.com
http://www.winternet.com/~savaweb/
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 01:06:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Siberian Orchestra
Message-ID: <199610100606.BAA09457@parka.winternet.com>
>
> Who does the vocals on this Siberian Orchestra Christmas story album?
> Does Zachary Stevens sing on all the tracks or just a few. If he doesn't
> sing on all of them then who else sings?Z
>
>
Unfortunately Zak only gets to sing backing vocals on one song, "A Star To
Follow". I really wish he had gotten more visible parts, but that is the
way it is I guess. The vocalists are great on this album and there is quite
a number of them. I belive most of their back grounds come from the
broadway scene but I may be wrong on that.
Here is a list of primary vocalists. (not including backing vocals or the
childrens choir)
John Margolis
Marlene Danielle
Micheal Fawcette
Thomas Faresse
Ken Williams
Babi Floyd
If you know the backgrounds of any of them, let be know. Thanks..
nathan bradley
savaweb@winternet.com
http://www.winternet.com/~savaweb/
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:24:43 PST
From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1916
Message-ID: <199610100627.GAA95524@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 10/09/96 8:56pm -0700
-What would you label "Subhuman Race" as?
Country :)
mark
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 02:20:14 -0600
From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fates/'tage/Los Bastardos
Message-ID: <325CB1BE.5FEE@mo.net>
I just got Fates' No Exit the other day, and am not too sure what to
think about it. I haven't given it a real good listen yet, but so far,
I'm just not sure. This may be a good sign if I really get into it
later. I just don't know.
So far, I do really like Dead Winter Dead, though (I've listened to it
a bit more).
Any other Fates albums anybody recommend (and why, of course)? Even if
I don't end up getting into No Exit, I'll still be interested since I've
heard a lot about them here, and really dig their version of "Closer to
the Heart" on Working Man.
All you going to the con, HAVE A FREAKIN' GOOD TIME WITHOUT ME!!!!!!
Unless a whole crapload of money lands on my proverbial door by Sat., or
unless I get a free flight and such to NY by then, I won't be able to
make it. At least I still have the killer Rush seats - WOO HOO! Later
all.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:58:38 +0200
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Pat's MC bands rating
Message-ID: <v03007801ae825c038388@[128.178.99.94]>
>On another topic:
>How do people rate the Magna Carta groups?
>
>For me I would list them as:
>Shadow Gallery
>Enchant
>Lemur Voice
>Altura
>Magellan
>Cairo
Hi ytsedoods,
Definitely SG on top. Altura impressed me a lot, although not as consistent
as SG. Rating Cairo and Magellan is IMO more a matter of taste. I have yet
to listen to LV. Only heard a few titles from Enchant, but seems good.
Another band to check out is Leviathan, although I'm not sure they're on
MC. Very disappointed by Superior.
Just my $.02 of confusion
gotta go, l8r :)
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"I was told there'll be no one to call on when I feel alone and afraid" (dt)
"Life's a bitch?; so fuck it!!" (dk)
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 01:19:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Portnoy's Golden Throat
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.961010010845.151505B-100000@homer08.u.washington.edu>
Anyone have Jai's e-mail address? Jai? You reading this? E me plea...
---- > From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> > Subject: Post-Con Stuff and FAQ's > > I'll put this one up to a vote. If enough people think it belongs > there, then it's in. Personally, I'd love to have a more definitive > answer (Band members? Care to clarify?), but I think enough people are > curious about this as it is.What was described is a pretty close match to what Portnoy said himself. I vote you put the description in the faq.
> Now, here's what I want to know. How well did Mike sing? :)
In spite of his nicotine-thrashed, naturally deep voice, he sang quite well! I was surprised. It sounded like he was smiling through the whole thing. In fact, when I first heard it I wondered why Portnoy had never done backup vocals on any of their albums. Am I the only one on this list who has a recording of this event?
(For further listening, I believe there is a version of The Silent Man somewhere where you can hear Portnoy doing the backup vocal part, and he does the harmony above LaBrie in a spot or two.)
> Oh, and to Mojoman - congratulations on a still unblemished record of > thoughtful, relevant posts to the Jam. :-/
You know, I used to play a game some of you might be familiar with. It was called "Battleship." One of the things I used to shout while playing this game went something like this:
"DIRECT HIT!!"
:)
Bafu Vai
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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 01:28:40 -0800 From: drkhoe@squirm.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Enchant Message-ID: <199603210928.BAA21687@squirm.gmsnet.com>
Would you consider Enchant more as a progressive ROCK band or progressive METAL band...?
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:42:57 +0100 From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bafu, Belgium, Heavy Music Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961010094257.00699d90@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi!
/me bows to King Bafu. :)
If there are some jammers in Belgium, Superior will be playing an 20 min. Accoustic Set at the Metal Convention in Antwerpen at November 10th. I'd be happy to meet you there.
Tracklist:
Why (Accoustic vers.) Dreamtime Tomorrow's Eve (Accoustic vers.) 1 more song... don't know yet if it will be a cover or a song of the Timeshift Tape...
On to another topic... I got an email from a French guy that bought our CD and besides that he likes the CD [:)] he told me that he thinks that it was "courageous to make a heavy metal record in 1996". This brought me to the question what kind of music is not courageous to do in "1996"... Tekkno? HipHop? I don't know. But this brings me to another question... Are these music styles (for example Tekkno or HipHop) also able to create emotions like - let's say - rock music does? When I switch on the radio here in Germany, all I hear is Tekkno, Rap, and sometimes a normal pop song. I don't want to say here that those music styles are worse than others. This is all a matter of taste, naturally. But I think there is just no twisting people around in different emotions in this music. The only music I know who is able to do this, is the "traditional" music that is played with "traditional" instruments. I include here Punk same as classical music. I hope, you get the point what I want to say here and maybe that you can give me some feedback on this topic. Do you think too, that there are many songs "on the air" at the moment that just don't have any emotions in them? I think it's a bad sign for the music scene if emotions are no longer put into popular music because music IS something emotional. Don't you think? A good example for this is naturally too the music of DT. Take Voices for example. There is a steady up and down in this song and I think THAT's what music is supposed to be and that's why I like that song. Or take LTL or .... just DT. :)
What else? Do you think that the music of SUPERIOR is "Heavy Metal"? I think that "Heavy Metal" is the music that was done for example by Judas Priest or is still done by Manowar and those bands. I don't think that we play Heavy Metal. It's realy hard to find a definition for music but I'd say that we play hard, progressive, heavy rock music. Am I the only one? Give me a definition... :)
Ok. All for now.
Bye.
Bernd.
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