YTSEJAM Digest 1914
Today's Topics:
1) Items FS
by "Alan J. Mallery" <ajmaller@ouray.cudenver.edu>
2) King's X and IMPORTANT SAVATGE!!
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
3) More Vai?!
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
4) Ramblings...
by elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
5) Skid Row
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
6) DT, Prologic & NIN, Bafu, DT Fans, and Yanni
by "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu>
7) Ohhh...You said Zappa!
by Big.Swifty@twav.com
8) URGENT: Videotaping the YTSECON?????
by "Matthew A. Schnoor" <schnoor@cs.pdx.edu>
9) Visual WHAT?
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
10) Re: YTSEJAM 1913 (Drummers)
by esb01@students.stir.ac.uk (E. Ballinger)
11) web page announcement
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1912
by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
13) Bafu
by Andrew Miller <andym@wicked.stigmata.org>
14) Re: drums
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
15) G 3 TIX FOR SALE...HOLLYWOOD SHOW 10/12
by Rain King <DGSWANSTON@CSUPomona.Edu>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1913
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
17) G3 boyz on Rockline
by NUPRIN <nuprin@wichita.fn.net>
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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:51:58 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Alan J. Mallery" <ajmaller@ouray.cudenver.edu>
To: Dream Theater List <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Items FS
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.961008235103.23944B-100000@ouray.cudenver.edu>
I'm selling my copy of Subconscious. $25 takes it. Also FS Live at the
Marquee $10. Email me if interested, I'm not on the list.
Alan
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Alan Mallery/aka: ajmaller@ouray.cudenver.edu\aka2: Emerson@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 02:05:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: King's X and IMPORTANT SAVATGE!!
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961009015010.90160C-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
On Tue, 8 Oct 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> ----
> > From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
> > Subject: King's X
> >
> > Someone asked if it was true that King's X was dropped from
> > Atlantic Records. It's true. I work for Atlantic and was very pissed
> > when I heard it. Hopefully they'll sign a deal with a label that knows
> > how to promote a band of such talent.
>
> When was this statement issued? In August the guys were reassuring
> everyone after the shows that they were not dropped, no such thing, just a
> rumor, etc. Did Atlantic drop them last week or something?
I found out about it on a conference call on 7/30/96. I'm still bitter.
But I did read an article in Metal Edge prior to that in which they said
something to the effect that they were well aware of the rumors, but that
they weren't as far as they knew, true. But then again, the interviews
you see in Metal Edge and most rock magazines are done a month or two
before they hit the stands.
BTW, in other Atlantic news, ALL SAVATAGE FANS LISTEN UP: Very soon there
is going to be a release by a group called Trans-Siberian Orchestra
called "Christmas Eve And Other Stories." This album is partly the
brainchild of Savatage's JON OLIVA and features guest appearances by none
other than Al Pitrelli and Zak Stevens. It is best described as a heavy
metal Christmas concept album. Think of it as "Dead Winter Dead" meets
"Jingle Bells" and you get the idea. There is a story line which contains
both original songs and reworked versions of Christmas standards. Some of
the arrangements are very Savatage-esque and will blow your mind.
Speaking of which, Savatage's very own "Christmas Eve/Sarajevo 12/24"
turns up here and is not out of place, which gives you an idea of what
kind of album this is. I've heard it an it is unbelievable. Imagine: a
heavy metal release by a major label. Who would have thought. Anyway,
look for it under "Symphonic Rock Christmas" sections in your record
stores. You won't be disappointed.
Richie
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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:10:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: More Vai?!
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.961008230820.52899C-100000@homer18.u.washington.edu>
> From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
> Subject: fire garden
>
> I know I'm a little late, but this CD rocks! The instrumental stuff is
> as good as he's ever done, and this boy can sing!
When I first listened to "Alligator," I found myself thinking, "Is this
'Phase II'? Him soloing over this I-IV-V thingy until the end of the
album?" Then when the song went back to vocals I wondered if there was a
bonus disc I could order to hear the original fifteen-minute solo Vai
obviously had in mind. :)
> The weeny track is cheesy, though.
Actually, if you replace the word "weeny" with "whammy," it almost sounds
like the confessions of a shred guitarist...
Warm regards,
Bafu Vai
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 01:55:49 -0400
From: elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ramblings...
Message-ID: <19961009055547618.AAA148@ras3.fxn.com>
Even though I could have made the time to stay current on the jams, I let
them pile up for a bit. Go figure! I haven't posted in a while and do have
some stuff to say about some recent threads...
I wanna meet all you crazy mofo's, and see some of you crazy mofo's again!
DT was a secondary consideration. If DT were there (or some of them) it
would have just been a major bonus. Pat said it best. It's about the
fans... Not about the band.
Drum solos: I love 'em! And I'm not even a drummer. I do have a basic
understanding of drumming though. And that understanding helps me
appreciate drum solos. And if you're a musician, IMHO, you're missing out
if you ignore and instrument because you don't play it. Portnoy, Peart,
Zonder, etc. inspire my GUITAR playing in some wierd, roundabout sorta way!
I'm somewhat bewildered however in the lack of interest in drum solos... A
lot of people do only listen to music for "a cool beat," regardless of the
melodic, harmonic or lyrical content.
BAFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 'nuff said.
One last thing that is totally unrelated to anything discussed here, but a
lot of people would probably be happy to hear about it.. And I'm posting for
all to see, so everyone will know, and I'll hesitate even moreso when I get
an urge to spark a Marlboro Light:
I've been a non-smoker since late-Friday/early-Saturday! Yes, I kicked that
nasty habit, but I haven't exactly quit nicotine. The patch is working out
well and I can't wait til I'm free of that. I'm still working on the mental
aspect though, but I'm hanging in there. There's a warning label on the box
that says you may have wierd dreams if you wear the patch overnight. You
bet I'm wearing it when I sleep! ;) But anyways, do any other Jammers wanna
join me and quit too?
-- Elliott Kim --------------------------------------------------------
--e l l i o t t @ f x n . c o m ----- E - M a n @ d r e a m t . o r g--
--h t t p : / / w w w . f x n . c o m / u s e r s / e / e l l i o t t--
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 02:42:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Skid Row
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961009022857.90302A-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
I just HAD to jump on this. In all honesty, as huge a Skid Row
fan as I am, Subhuman Race was...pretty good. Very few bands put out a
flawless album (meaning one in which EVERY song is equally incredible)
but Skid Row did with "Slave To The Grind." So I guess maybe my
expectations were too high for them to follow up. Subhuman Race has alot
of great songs on it: "My Enemy," "Firesign," "Eileen," "Into Another,"
"Face Against My Soul," "Breakin' Down," "Iron Will," and the title track
are all incredible songs. The rest are okay. But upon listening to
"Slave" recently, even the great "Subhuman" songs, with the exception of
a couple, don't match up, making me think that perhaps those songs sound
great in comparison to some of the other stuff on that album. I think
alot of it has to do with Bob Rock producing it, instead of Michael
Wagner (who also produced one of the other flawless albums, IMHO,
Warrant's "Dog Eat Dog." If you haven't heard it, put those flames out).
This album is by no stretch of the imagination grunge, but some of the
melody found on "Slave" is missing, as are many of the guitar solos. But
there is a lot of aggression here. And Rob's drumming has increased 100%
from "Slave," which was a 100% increase from their self-titled debut.
Skid Row definitely have another truly great album in them and I hope
that they find it next time. Even if they don't, I'd be content with
Subhuman Race II, but I hope I don't have to be.
Richie
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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:46:13 -0700 (MST)
From: "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu>
To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT, Prologic & NIN, Bafu, DT Fans, and Yanni
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961008102731.22580C-100000@moon.pr.erau.edu>
Hello all...
Been lurking a while, and I've got some things...
1) Along the lines of the Dream Theater Imaging Studio bit...I saw this
sign here in town just the other day, caught my eye...
"Pantera Cellular"
2) For those of you who like NIN...I have got to seriously reccomend
listening to his material on a Prologic Surround Sound system! WOW!!!
There is stuff coming out of every speaker, and some weird shit, too
WOW!!
3) And on the 11th day, God created the ytsejam, and had Bafu rule, and
it was good!
4) I've heard stories like this, but it never happened to me...until this
weekend...
I was in a movie theater, watching "2 Days in the Valley", and I happened
to be wearing my Ytsejam shirt. After the film was over, the guy a
couple of seats in front turned around and asked me if I was on the
mailing list! We got to talking about DT and them playing shows in
Phoenix.
Anyway, it was like instant friends!!!
I swear, you could be in the most ass-crack, no-where-ville place on the
planet...run into some guy with a DT shirt on, and BANG...you're like buds!
5) I picked up a couple of CDs this weekend. One, I got the new TOOL :
AENIMA album. This is great...just raw power.
The other one I got on a dare because I saw a lot about him...thats
YANNI.
This one all started last year. Before this, I'd make fun of Yanni, ya
know, because it was like "neew age". Anyway, I was listening to "Eve"
when my roommate walked in and asked about it. "What is this, Yanni?" he
asked. That instantly piqued my interest.
Well with all the talk about him on the 'jam recently, I picked up "Live
At the Acropolis"
Oh boy, this guy's instrumentation is just phenomenal. I love it on the
fisrt listen. Its just amazingly well done, clear and clean, and has
great and original rythms.
I know this music isn't for everyone, but I'd certainly recommend it to
those out there that like stuff like "Eve" and Movie soundtracks.
Altogeter it kicks ass.
Any recommendations for other cool Yanni stuff that isn't on the Live CD?
Well, I've taken up a whole bit o' bandwidth.
L8r
}:P
PS - The world is full of stupid people...I had it proven to me beyond
doubt this weekend at U-fest!!!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Even when plans fall to pieces, I can still find the courage with promise
I've found in my faith. Likely or not, It's a dream that we keep, and at
odds with our senses we'll climb. But if faith is the answer we've
already found it, and if spirit's a sign, than it's only a matter of time.
Kevin Moore "Only A Matter Of Time"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++ THE DEVIL'S PLAYTHING ++
++ papined@pr.erau.edu ++
++ David Papineau ++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date: 9 Oct 1996 02:22:50 CDT
From: Big.Swifty@twav.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ohhh...You said Zappa!
Message-ID: <199610090718.AAA21989@pawn.ax.com>
YT>From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
YT>To: ytsejam@ax.com
YT>Subject: DRuMMERs....
YT>Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.10.8.-10.11.20.11528.6479@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
YT>One of my all time favorite DRUM solos is from a movie by
YT>FRANK ZAPPA: Babysnakes. Terry Bozzio (sp??) He was young
YT>then and SSOOOOO MUCH energy and feeling.
YT>It is a VERY TRIPPY movie. More tripped out than "The Wall".
YT> todd s
This exact performance is available on CD - it's called "Hands With A
Hammer" (You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Volume 3). Most of the other
live footage from Baby Snakes either turns up on the Baby Snakes album or
"You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Volume 6". If you don't like Zappa,
that's ok. Me, personally, I never knew him - but somehow I still am
saddened by the fact that he died at 52 and will never write or play
another note, or ever embarass another politician, or ever chew out
another televangelist onstage. Shucks....
Someone better have a stinkin' camcorder at the con - I wanna see you
people, even if it's through the camera eye. (D-oh!)
Mark Peters
big.swifty@twav.com
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 00:41:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Matthew A. Schnoor" <schnoor@cs.pdx.edu>
To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: URGENT: Videotaping the YTSECON?????
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.961009003542.17919A-100000@sarin.cs.pdx.edu>
Hey all, it's M-Bone here...
For those of us who are YtseCon-Impaired, for financial or other reasons,
would some kind Con-goer take the time to videotape this year's YtseCon III?
I know this is a lot to ask... I talked with someone on IRC a while back,
and he volunteered... but I don't remember who it was. If someone could
carry along a VHS camcorder, grab up all the cool moments (or otherwise)
and dupe it for the rest of us, I know a lot of people would be
grateful. Myself included.
Please reply to the JAM if you can take on this responsibility. I think
we at least owe it to those who can't make it to the Con. Something more
than still pictures on a website would be much appreciated.
Hell... even 6 hours of people milling aimlessly around would be fun.
Interviews and greetings to all non-Con-goers would be a nice bonus. :)
I'd be willing to pay $$$ for a good videotape.
Hopefully I'll be able to make it to the Con next year, if it exists.
See y'all and thanks much!
Gratituous CD: King Crimson: B'Boom Live in Argentina (Official Bootleg)
[ Matthew A. Schnoor ] [M-Bone@ytsejam@irc.dreamt.org:2112 ]
[ schnoor@cs.pdx.edu ] [http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~schnoor/index.html ]
[ schnoor@spiritone.com ] [Portland, OR - clean water and good beer! ]
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 01:04:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Visual WHAT?
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.961009005446.118616H-100000@homer13.u.washington.edu>
I'm racing through all the jams in my inbox, and I just read through #1904
and #1905 and stumbled upon an authentic "Ben's Visual Music." So without
further adid, here's yet another piece of evidence for those who argue
that Ben and I are the same person...
---- > From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com> > Subject: Armageddon. > > Visual Music #3: > > DAH > DAH DAH DAH DAH > DAH DAAAAAAAH > > > duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh > duhduhduh > (cont.) > > DAAAAAH > DAAAH DAAAAAAHThe opening riff of the instrumental ending-section of "Innocence Faded." Very tricky of you to voice the guitar instead of the drums, grasshopper, but still you cannot take the pebble from my hand...
---- > From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net> > Subject: Disco Vai? > > Did anyone else rip off their jacket and wave it around their head when > they heard the wacka-wacka guitar part in track #2 of SV's FG? just > wondering.
You mean whirl it around in the air like a lasso while spiralling my body in place? Of course. :)
> Woohoo bafu's back!
What, did you tape on a "kick me" sign?
Bafu Vai
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:53:46 +0100 From: esb01@students.stir.ac.uk (E. Ballinger) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM 1913 (Drummers) Message-ID: <v01520d00ae815e228fa3@[139.153.41.123]>
>Besides, how can Lars >rip over Mike with his cheap 5-piece, 3 cymbal kit I last saw him on? (No >flames about dissing Lars, please, I like Metallica alot, but I've >gotta defend Mike and Neil).
Err.. does not having a 50-piece kit mean you can't play as well as the guy who does? I don't think so. Oh, and I doubt if Lars' kit is very "cheap" either.
As the old proverb says: "It's not size that matters, it's what you do with it."
Cheers... Edd. ___________________________ / \ ____/ esb01@students.stir.ac.uk \____ / esb@cs.stir.ac.uk \ / http://web.students.stir.ac.uk/~esb01 \ / http://www.cs.stir.ac.uk/~esb \ /_____________________________________________\ \_____________________________________________/
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:10:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: web page announcement Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93l.961009090539.1083A-100000@unix21.andrew.cmu.edu>
Hi there. I just finished mastering my band's demo and writing our webpage, so I thought I'd mention it here. Anyone interested in hearing some new dark, complex, heavy music with a definite DT influence, please stop by. There are sound samples on the page and there's a CD you can order. Here's the url:
http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
hope to see ya there.
-Max
Anton Max Keyboards, Aepithex MadMax+@cmu.edu
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Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 09:12:26 -0500 (EST) From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1912 Message-ID: <v01510106ae811c4801cb@[137.238.26.12]>
> Yes, that was good... But Mike trying to get everybody to take a shot >of Jagermeister was pretty good too...
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I remember Brian Wherry (bless his honest little heart) said "No" when I offered him a shot and then I said "Aren't you of age?" and he just shook his head "No." Thank God Mike P didn't get a bunch of minors drunk or else it would have been on my head (laugh).... > > But the best part was terrorizing the hotel wedding reception >afterwards <G>....
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah everyone Mr. Kizer is a real terror on the dance floor (ONLY TEASING).
> Or when Derek turned down the volume during the "Mercy Fuck" section. > <G>
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Just what the hell was that about any way??????????????
-BABS (Who Doesn't Remember Much About Ytsecon I - I Was TOO Busy...)
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:15:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Miller <andym@wicked.stigmata.org> To: YTSEJAM digest <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Bafu Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961009091008.3033A-100000@wicked.stigmata.org>
The boy's back two or three days and he already gets a EOJ. Jesus this world is going to hell in a hand basket!!!!! :)
--andy
Andrew Miller Real people get mail from my other account, andym@dreamt.org only there will you see the true signatures --or-- of Andy Miller. Thanks go out to Ryan, for ytsejam@Udel.Edu without him this .sig would not be possible.
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Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 14:09:42 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: drums Message-ID: <325BB226.1F1A@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: ReaLiTy iMPaiReD <slowhand@wam.umd.edu> > Subject: drum solos
> bah. i've only seen a few good drum solos before...
Some of the solos I remember being impressed by include those from Billy Cobham, Terry Bozzio, Carl Palmer and especially Barriemore (sp?) Barlow. They're not only great technicians, but they make the rhythm have more melody to it, if that makes any sense. I've only seen a Mike solo on the LiT video, so I'll reserve judgement till the '97 tour :)
Regards,
Jon
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Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 07:40:17 -0800 (PST) From: Rain King <DGSWANSTON@CSUPomona.Edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: G 3 TIX FOR SALE...HOLLYWOOD SHOW 10/12 Message-ID: <01IAFJ3M2UMA95NTXX@clstac.is.csupomona.edu>
Hello fellow Ytsejammers, This is a little message for you L.A. 'Jammers who are bummed about not being able to get tix for the G 3 show at the Hollywood Bowl.
BE BUMMED NO MORE!!!
I have 6 tickets for sale, Section D, Row 19, Seats 2-12. The face value is $31.50 each, plus service charge of $5, but I just want others to enjoy the show, so I am only asking for the face value. Buy 1 or buy 6. Please contact me privately if you are interested. Thank you.
Rain King DGSwanston@CSUPomona.Edu
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:44:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1913 Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.961009104050.16681B-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
OK. It's *my* turn to vent. The G3 tour is coming through Boston and I have a friend whose willing to drive. But God damn it!!! Only getting $100 from home to cover expenses in this ohmygodit'ssowonderful school and having to pay for organ lessons for theory class out of that, I doubt I'll be able to make the $35 needed. FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK MMMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEE. On a lighter note, I think drum solos rock. I'm a passionate guitarist myself, but I love any kind of solow with tallent backing it up. Later. Be well and take care. M B AKA S D
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:52:14 -0500 (CDT) From: NUPRIN <nuprin@wichita.fn.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: G3 boyz on Rockline Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.961009094927.11421A-100000@wichita.fn.net>
Well, From what I caught of the guys on rockline, I heard a performance from Eric Johnson and his band doing SRV live from the studio in California. It sounded pretty good. Anyhoo, the highlight I think of the show was when Stu Hamm called up and gave the guys shit! It was so funny! He said something like: "Hey guys, I think you guys rule! It would be so cool to play with you..." and then finally: "come on guys, get back to San Fransisco so we can get on with rehearsles!!" I was rolling!
/, \> /< John Nguyen (aka NUPRIN) } /> Musician/Artist/Programmer/Lover/Parent [\\\\(@):::>|=+=+========================================--- } \> ...and Defender Of All Worthy Women!! \< "all I want is to have my peace of mind" /> --BOSTON \' http://www.feist.com/~nuprin
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