YTSEJAM Digest 1957
Today's Topics:
1) Re: your mail
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
2) Angra merchandise and fan club
by Jason Breitweg <jbreitwe@hep.physics.wisc.edu>
3) Scam Buster???? Maybe????
by Timothy Adams <adamst@wasc.egginc.com>
4) Rush, those racist time-changing bastards, eh?
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
5) NO MORE
by "Juan Rafael Mantilla" <jrmantil@eos.ncsu.edu>
6) Chris Collins
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
7) Re: NO MORE
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
8) Perception
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
9) triple-album
by cyclone@securenet.net
10) New *cool* list :-)
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
11) Racism, etc. NO DREAM THEATER CONTENT
by "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
12) Musical stuff, but NO DREAM THEATER CONTENT
by "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
13) Braindance
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
14) Question.....
by Tyler Stephan Kushera <tsk7039@tam2000.tamu.edu>
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:15:12 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: svjohnson@amoco.com
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: your mail
Message-ID: <199610221815.LAA23557@goodguy.goodnet.com>
> >>If a person cannot laugh at themselves, then they're the one
> with the problem... not the jokester. <<
>
> you are VERY wrong here. I think people understand a fine line and I
> think people understand that this line was crossed on the jam. Hence
> it must be dealt with on the jam. I don't care what you or SKadz or
> Ben or whatever hip clique thinks. It was a bullshit comment and I
"hip clique"... since when have we created this? I accept each and
every single Jammer as a potential friend... and I hold myself accountable
to all of them. Ryan has been heavy-handed at times, but he needs to be;
he's the list manager. I can never tell what Ben's up to, though. :)
Everyone here, especially those who have met me and/or Skadz,
speak up now if you feel we've created an exclusive clique here on the
Jam. I'd honestly like to know.
Even the most offensive jokes have sometimes been hurled in _my_
direction. I'm a double target: I'm a pretty fat guy, and I'm a Catholic.
If I can laugh at the most scathing jokes aimed at me for the sake of the
ingenuity of the joke itself, then anyone can do the same. I mean, for
crying out loud, half of the POPULATION gets grilled by the most common
(and funniest) jokes: gender-specific ones.
But once the joke is over, reality begins, and I know you're
already well attuned to that by your reply. In my opinion, there is never
any excuse for being an asshole to a fellow human being until they've done
same to you first... though, granted, the temptation runs strong. :)
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - Scoobaca RULES!
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:28:41 -0500
From: Jason Breitweg <jbreitwe@hep.physics.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Angra merchandise and fan club
Message-ID: <199610221831.LAA06758@pawn.ax.com>
If anyone out there is interested in joining the Angra fan club and
purchasing Angra merchandise right here in the USA please e-mail me
and I can send you a flyer with a list of stuff you can get. There
are t-shirts, posters, stickers, all kinds of stuff. So send me your
snail mail address and I can send the list to you. Adios.
Jason
Currently Playing: DT - Duesseldorf 11.2.95
+-------------Jason T Breitweg (jbreitwe@lobelia.physics.wisc.edu)------------+
| "The Gods made Heavy Metal and they saw that is was good! |
| They told us to play it louder than Hell, we promised that we would!" |
+---------------=> http://lobelia.physics.wisc.edu/jbreitwe <=----------------+
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 14:54:16 -0400
From: Timothy Adams <adamst@wasc.egginc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Scam Buster???? Maybe????
Message-ID: <s26ce0ab.063@wasc.egginc.com>
I have no clue as to the validity of the following message but if it's true I
may just be able to save someone money. I would hope that it is valid
info because our company sent it out and they usually check in to these
things pretty well before they send them out...if not, oh well....wasted
bandwidth.
Subject: SPECIAL ALERT ON PHONE/EMAIL SCAM >
> ******* SPECIAL ALERT ******* >
>SCAM: Don't Respond To Emails, Phone Calls, Or Pages Which > Tell
You To Call An "809" Phone Number
>
>This is a very important issue of Internet ScamBusters! because it
> alerts you to a scam that is: - spreading *extremely* quickly - can >
easily cost you $100 or more, and - is difficult to avoid unless you > are
aware of it. We'd like to thank Paul Bruemmer and Brian Stains
> for bringing this scam to our attention - both will receive Internet >
ScamBusters! tee shirts. This scam has also been identified by the >
National Fraud Information Center and is costing victims a lot of
> money.
>
>There are lots of different permutations of this scam, but here is > how
it works:
>
>Permutation #1: Internet Based Phone Scam Via Email You receive an >
email, typically with a subject line of "*ALERT*" or "Unpaid
> account." The message, which is being spammed across the net,
says: >
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> I am writing to give you a final 24hrs to settle your outstanding >
account. If I have not received the settlement in full, I will
> commence legal proceedings without further delay. If you would like >
to discuss this matter to avoid court action, call Mike Murray at
> Global Communications on +1 809 496 2700.
> ---------------------------------------------------------- >
>Permutation #2: Phone Or Pager Scam You receive a message on your
> answering machine or your pager which asks you to call a number
> beginning with area code 809. The reason to you're asked to call
> varies: it can be to receive information about a family member who
> has been ill, to tell you someone has been arrested, died, to let you >
know you have won a wonderful prize, etc. In each case, you're told >
to call the 809 number right away.
>
>Since there are so many new area codes these days, people
unknowingly > return these calls. If you call from the US, you will
apparently be > charged $25 per-minute! Sometimes the person who
answers the phone > will speak broken English and pretend not to
understand you. Other > times, you'll just get a long recorded message.
The point is, they
> will try to keep you on the phone as long as possible to increase the >
charges. Unfortunately, when you get your phone bill, you'll often
> be charged more than $100.00.
>
>Here's why it works: The 809 area code is located in the British >
Virgin Islands (the Bahamas). The 809 area code can be used as a
> "pay-per-call" number, similar to 900 numbers in the US. Since 809
> is not in the US, it is not covered by US regulations of 900 numbers, >
which require that you be notified and warned of charges and rates
> involved when you call a "pay-per-call" number. There is also no
> requirement that the company provide a time period during which you
> may terminate the call without being charged. Further, whereas many
> US phones have 900 number blocking (to avoid these kinds of
charges), > 900 number blocking will not prevent calls to the 809 area
code.
>
>We recommend that no matter how you get the message, if you are
asked > to call a number with an 809 area code that you don't
recognize,
> investigate further and/or disregard the message. Be *very* wary of
> email or calls asking you to call an 809 area code number.
>
>It's important to prevent becoming a victim of this scam, since
> trying to fight the charges afterwards can become a real nightmare.
> That's because you did actually make the call. If you complain, both >
our local phone company and your long distance carrier will not want >
to get involved and will most likely tell you that they are simply
> providing the billing for the foreign company. You'll end up dealing >
with a foreign company that argues they have done nothing wrong.
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:08:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rush, those racist time-changing bastards, eh?
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9610221508.D10995-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
> Subject: magellan/mojo
>
> Well if Mojo really feels that way then we dont need him here on the jam...
My sentiments exactly. (What's happening to me? I'm agreeing with Pat! :)
----> From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu> > Subject: More concert fun reviews - Gong/ Boud Deun > > I guess we are back to the five jams a day volume. I can't wait til the > new album comes out in the spring, we will be up to about twelve jams a > day then. I will probably have to resort to shooting myself in the head > to escape. <grin> Since I only have a few months to live I'll post
Just thought I'd share that I almost spit my Dew at the screen when reading this. :) God forbid there's a good tour going on at the same time. :)
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> From: svjohnson@amoco.com > Subject: Guest guitars! > > This is the kind of thing I LOVE about metal and glam. Andy was in > Danger Danger, I believe--a glam band that wrote songs such as > "Slipped Her the Big One" (I do own a disc--free--of theirs that I do > stillplay). But so many of these guys in the genre could REALLY play!
Another spit-take! Man, someday 80's glam metal *will* make a comeback. :)
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> From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org> > Subject: More old stuff (WSOU, Ytsevets, YKYADTFI, Victor) > > I was wondering. My first jam arrived in my mailbox one week from last > Saturday, #1053. Some interesting things, a SHITLOAD of Blind Melon > flames (you all remember that, right?) So am I a ytsevet yet?
The amount you post? I'd say so. :) :) :)
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> From: Scott <skooc@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: Victor > > >S'all for now. BTW, who sang on Alex Lifeson's album Victor? > >later--------------Brian > > The singer for I Mother Earth.
There are others, too. Remember the Dalbello thread a while back? Well, she did, too. And Alex himself did some spoken-word stuff on it as well.
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> From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> > Subject: Temple of Apshai > > Ah well....I didn't get enough sleep last night. I'm feeling less and less > coherent.
[snip]
> >End of YTSEJAM Digest 1952 > >************************** > > ------------------------------ > > End of YTSEJAM Digest 1956 > **************************
We can tell. Go to bed. :)
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:16:01 -0400 From: "Juan Rafael Mantilla" <jrmantil@eos.ncsu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NO MORE Message-ID: <9610221516.ZM21136@eos.ncsu.edu>
TAKE ME OFF THIS DAMN LIST!!!
-- Juan Mantilla
It doesn't matter where your born. It doesn't matter where you come from. All that matters is where your head is at.
-Paul Stanley KISS
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:23:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Chris Collins Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.961022122232.61995A-100000@homer30.u.washington.edu>
> From: Tim <axe@usa.nai.net> > Subject: Why Chris Collins got the boot.. > > Well, from what I've hard, Chris Collins had quite a poor stage > presence... > > ...and when he introduces "march of the tyrant"... ok you get the > picture..He wasn't that much of a frontman for them.
YES!! My *favorite* line!!
"Thess... Is tha mhaach... ATHA TYRAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAEAAAAA!!" Dang, his vibrato was one of those ultra-benders that covered a swooping range of about five or six notes. That line is easily on par with LaBrie's live pronunciation of that line from Metropolis...how's that go...?
---- > From: WildKoba@aol.com > Subject: simply put, they hurt my brains big time > > "energy, intensity, eclecticism" - robert fripp
"constant, accurate, and intense" - steve vai
"As you start to get excited, time EXPANDS." --my Psychology professor
Bafu Vai
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:43:03 -0400 (AST) From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: NO MORE Message-ID: <199610221943.PAA11218@mail.caribe.net>
At 12:23 PM 10/22/96 -0700, you wrote: >TAKE ME OFF THIS DAMN LIST!!! > >-- >Juan Mantilla > >It doesn't matter where your born. >It doesn't matter where you come from. >All that matters is where your head is at. > >-Paul Stanley KISS >Why dont you unsubscribe moron..read the instructions..
>
We Can Learn From the past..but those days are gone.. We can hope for the future..but there may not be one... DREAM THEATER: A CHANGE OF SEASONS
WOWOWOWWWWWW hoooo wowoW WOWWwwwwww hoooo -Devin Townsend
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:53:25 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Perception Message-ID: <326D2635.FF6@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
> Anyhow, there are several guest musicians on the > CD, the most frightening of whom is probably Dave Weckl.
I'm looking forward to getting the crap scared out of me :)
Thanks for the reply, Adam.
> ...Anyhow, I'm a relative newcomer and don't have the broad perspective of the > history here, but, on the other hand, I think things are functioning pretty > well here...we've really put together some interesting and relevant > discussions of all kinds of music around here...
Listen to what this man said above, folks. There's a lot more in there than just the mere words themselves.
> Ah well....I didn't get enough sleep last night. I'm feeling less and less > coherent.
Sounded pretty coherent to me, Adam.
Regards,
Jon
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:11:57 -0700 (PDT) From: cyclone@securenet.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: triple-album Message-ID: <199610222011.NAA08850@pawn.ax.com>
Alot of us want DT to release a double-album, right? I've just heard that PRINCE will be releasing a "triple-album", with 36 songs. Wow! ------------------------------------------ | Elvis Batur | | cyclone@securenet.net | | elv@geocities.com | ------------------------------------------ | MUSIC IN PROGRESS | | www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4257/ | ------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 21:30:38 +-100 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Freaks Mailinglist'" <freaks@ax.com>, "'The Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New *cool* list :-) Message-ID: <01BBC066.FF4DB320@Yar.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Hey there :-)
Ever wondered how many posters on this list are in *your* domain ? Maybe you thought you were the only one in *your* country who posts to *this* mailinglist...
If so, check out my *new* addition to the "Most Frequent Poster List" !
I've just added a page that lists *all* the domains (sorted by domain name) that were sent from during the last month, plus *everyone* who sent from those domains (sorted by name)...
I got this idea after Henrik Gustafsson asked me via private e-mail if I could send him a list of all the Swedes who posted to the Ytsejam.
Hendrik, I hope you don't mind me quoting you here :
> I'm thinking of getting a little network with us, good to have > while ordering stuff and keeping costs down, maybe also when > organizing a YtseConSweden.
Maybe this *new* list can be of some help to *others* who might have *similar* ideas... That would be very cool :-)
It's just a test-page right now, but *I* think it's a keeper :-) Hope you guys like it too... Let me know what you think !
Btw, I recently found out my guestbook-form looks like *crap* when viewed with netscape... Just letting you guys know it isn't supposed to look like that :-] ...Oh well, sign it anyway ;-)
Mark _______________________________________________________itchy@dreamt.org__ All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _ Dreamers learn to steer by the stars (`)(_```_)/``_)(`)_(`)(`)_(`) All of us do time in the gutter RUSH | | ) ( ( (_ | _ | \_ / Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS (_) (_) \___)(_) (_) (__/ ____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__ Maintainer of the Official Freaks and Ytsejam "Most Frequent Poster List" URL: http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:00:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: The Proud Bottlers of Heineken Beer <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Racism, etc. NO DREAM THEATER CONTENT Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961022165659.37cfa8c6@pop.pipeline.com>
re: racist stuff
While racism sucks, I see some of the arguments as pointless. For example, someone (Andy?) said he had a friend who was black and she descibed being subjected to racist country music and the locals found the lyric humorous or whatever. Someone else mentioned that since white people never feel the sting of racist jokes, we just don't get it. Now is the time where I say, "what about the racist rap music?" and "every comedian (non white, and even white) makes fun of the "souless" white guy..." but as Bob Dole would say, "not gonna make that an issue." Anyway, this whole thing isn't about whether or not you or I have been insulted, it's about respect for the individual. I could not care less whether you are black, green, blue or brown; if you are an ignorant moron, you deserve my ridicule. But to prejudge (ha! prejudice!) someone, or to assign someone a blanket label based on color or national origin is not cool. I have noticed that the older generations are more insensitive then we are. My wife's grandmother expressed suprise when her nurse, who is of hispanic descent, turned out honest and trustworthy. It is this kind of ingrained prejudice that we should rail against. This woman means no ill will towards anyone, but automatically assumes that "they" are somehow untrustworthy based on origin. My language teacher, a Hungarian woman in her 60's, always makes comments about the Gypsies, Jews, and Blacks. She wouldn't hurt a hair on anyone's head, but she "automatically" assumes cultural stereotypes are the rule, rather than the exception. Granted, many stereotypes are at least somewhat based in truth; I prove the one about white guys who can neither jump nor dance, but to assume that, sight unseen, is wrong. So, while there is a lot of room for improvement, I think the more damaging type of racism is slowly disappearing - that is the thoughtless type. It is easy to label the local skin-head who beats up blacks, or the redneck who "hunts Messakins" as evil and bad. Society basically agrees that this is wrong. Much harder is it to publically condemn the subtle generalizations which have been indoctrinated into the heads of the very people we love. I know, because my wife teaches jr high school, that they are actively teaching tolerance and multicultural mutual understanding in schools today. Hopefully that will help end the ingrained types of racism, generalization and stereotype. Sadly morons will always be morons...
Kevin
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:30:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: Certainly NOT King Diamond himself <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Musical stuff, but NO DREAM THEATER CONTENT Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961022172642.358fff28@pop.pipeline.com>
-Neil Gallop said "Kraut." KILL HIM AS THE RACIST HE IS!!!
But I digress.
-Dr. X - I bought Lemur Voice the other day. Happy?
and
-Maddy - Legal to be discussed? WTF is that?
I digress further.
Anyway, I got some cd's in the mail the other day, and I would like talk about them. If you don't wanna read this, see the subject of this here message. Kindly.
I received:
Lemur Voice - Everyone has been talking about them, so I did the deed. This cd is sort of reminiscent of DT (of course), but I like it. (sorry, doc.) If you like DT, you wouldn't regret the purchase of this cd. I paid full price, mind you...
King Diamond - Graveyard - Eh. King, I don't know how you come up with some of this stuff. This guy is the Stephen King of metal music. Hmm King=King... He churns out work like a madman. New Mercyful Fate not enough? Have a new King Diamond, too. So far if I had to choose between the MF and the KD, I would choose the MF. King is cool though. Not the disc to put off your rent to buy, however.
King Diamond - Them - Oh yeah. If you don't have this, get it. The musicianship smokes. I can't believe Mikkey Dee plays in freakin' Motorhead now. He rocked. "GRANDMA!!!" If you have this you know; if not, get it. If you can't overlook very over-the-top lyrics and vocals, forget it. King Diamond - you like him or you don't. No middle ground. This was a replacement for my cassette.
Helloween - High Live - 2cd set reasonably priced. Not too outstanding, but pretty cool. If you are a fan, buy it. If not...it won't convert you.
COC - Wiseblood - Much like Deliverance. Pretty good, but I doesn't immediately satisfy. Deliverance didn't either, so I'll give it a few more listens.
Dio - Angry Machines - Dio! You are still around? Dude, you must be at least 50! Why does your material never really change? Vinny Appice! You still play the same fills you played in 1981! Jeff Pilson! Dokken? Tracy G!! Who are you and why should we care? Dio has fallen from the ranks of the major labels. His voice still delivers, but damn, listen to Dehumanizer and then this....Ouch. For hard-core Dio fans only. I used to be one, but then I bought Maiden's latest studio album hoping for a miracle. Not hear, nor here, folks.
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On another note, I also sold my Echolyn CD. This should be labelled as the first ytse-recommendation failure.
Kevin
GO WINGS 4-4 GO PACKERS 6-1
OB-Pat D. comment: Congrats on United!
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:28:31 -0700 From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Braindance Message-ID: <326D66AF.FD4@dreamt.org>
Has anyone on here ever heard of Braindance? I signed up for some kind of mailing list at the Rage show in August and I got some stuff from a band called Braindance. According to the paper, they are like prog-goth metal. This got my attention. Let me know. BTW, like the new sig? This is from when I met Andy at the Rush show saturday. ======================================================================== Andy Miller:I'm one of the Andy Millers Me: Hi. I'm DreamNDay Andy:Damn! You post every day! It's like your job! October 19, 1996, Albany NY later--------------Brian ========================================================================
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:40:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Tyler Stephan Kushera <tsk7039@tam2000.tamu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Question..... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961022173155.26078B-100000@tam2000.tamu.edu>
I've been looking for the rhyme of the ancient mariner by Iron Maiden for about six or seven years now. Which albumis it on? Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough.
Also, my I suggest checking out Pushmonkey whenever possible. They opened for DT during the I&W tour at most, if not all, of the Texas shows. They also just finished opening for KISS during thier Texas leg. They're based out Austin, but travel all over Tx, La, Ok. They're killer live. You cant beat for a $5-10 cover charge. You can try to get thier first full-length CD but I dont think its being produced any more. The second (an EP) is just as good and diverse.
Tyler
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