YTSEJAM digest 1965

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Thu Oct 24 1996 - 17:07:24 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 1965

    Today's Topics:

      1) I got WDATU!
     by Antti Nyrhinen <nyrhinen@leandra.ebs.ee>
      2) What is this about Jon being a bad singer? (NDTC)
     by "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
      3) Rush at Fleet Center/DT shows
     by Anthony G LaSorsa <agls@christa.unh.edu>
      4) Hi Hi Hi ....
     by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
      5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1964
     by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
      6) bidding update
     by Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@vwc.edu>
      7) Skunkworks
     by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
      8) DT Paraphanalia
     by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
      9) Ticket Info for DT Shows
     by Pete Davis <75463.2253@CompuServe.COM>
     10) Re: what the fuck is wrong with the muzack?
     by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
     11) DT Theme
     by "Steve "R" Lehrfeld" <DREG@hutman.com>
     12) Re: I got WDATU!
     by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
     13) Just to clarify....
     by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
     14) yyZ
     by Mike Estok <estok@teleport.com>
     15) New DT music ??!!
     by Anthony <AKOZAR@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
     16) Finally... The Con...
     by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 14:00:03 +0300 (EET DST)
    From: Antti Nyrhinen <nyrhinen@leandra.ebs.ee>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: I got WDATU!
    Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961024135424.9742B-100000@leandra.ebs.ee>

    It's true!
    Strolling peacefully around my favourite CD store back home
    in Turku, Finland, I was about to buy either Superior's disc
    or the latest from "Nightingale", which is a solo prog effort
    buy a Swedish metal guru called Dan Swano (he has/has had
    a death metal band called Edge of Sanity and a doom band called
    Pan-Thy-Monium.. If you see either of Nightingale's two albums,
    you should consider getting them. Nice stuff.)
    ..anyways, while listening to Superior I glanced through the
    store's rarities shelf, saw Kick into a Dream, didn't buy it
    since it cost FIM 300 ($65), then saw WDATU, and just had to
    get it even though it cost FIM 200 (like 45 bucks or so..).

    I've only listened to it once so far, but it seems good.
    I really like March of the Tyrant and the Showdown/Moon Bubbles
    or whatever the final jam is.

    BTW, what the hell is James doing on Fortune in Lies?
    "a trifling eupHOUYYRiaaah!!"... I listened to it over
    and over again for over fifteen times, it totally cracked
    me up.

    Anyways, that's it, I have to go back and listen to it some more
    before I can really comment on it. The main thing is that now
    I am the proud owner of WDATU #327 (or 321, I'm not sure)... Yay!

    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    Antti Nyrhinen -- nyrhinen@leandra.ebs.ee -- Tel. +358-40-5858611
     - Student of Int. Bus. Admin. at the Estonian Business School -
     - - - Find all you need in your mind if you take the time - - -

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    Date: 24 Oct 96 15:02:27 +0200
    From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: What is this about Jon being a bad singer? (NDTC)
    Message-ID: <9610241502.aa27@tppalv2.metsaserla.fi>

    Hello 'jamanoids.

    The following post has only Savatage content, so skip if not interested.

    YtseCon Europe sounds good. I can't see it happening, though...

    I've often wondered on what grounds do people call Jon Oliva/Savatage a
    bad singer. Now I finally feel that I must voice my opinion. And all of
    this, needless to say really but you can't be wary enough, is only my
    IMHO. I'm no guardian of the absolute truth. And to spite some people,
    I'll even say "Jon nokz radz" even though it sounds corny, but I'm going
    to tell you why...

    All pre-Zack era Savatage discs can create an atmosphere that's been
    missing from every disc ever since Jon quit singing. Just take a listen
    to the title track of "Hall of the Mountain King" and tell me Zack Stevens
    is able to create an atmosphere even half as insane that Jon does. I guess
    I'm trying to say that Zack, so much better technically as he is, can't
    possibly convey the emotion of f.ex. "When the Crowds Are Gone" the
    way Jon does. Jon practically weeps the words out. The difference
    can best be seen on "Gutter Ballet" on the Live in Japan '94 CD, as the
    two vocalists sing duet. Jon's voice isn't anywhere near it was on
    the late eighties, but he still puts more of himself to every song he
    sings than Zack ever could. Maybe it's just me, but I have the feeling
    that Zack just sings them like, "Ok, now I've sung it. It went actually
    pretty well. Next one please." He sounds absolutely hollow. None of
    the desperate whining sounds, none of the utter madness, none of the
    rough edges. Nothing. Just technical excellence. I do like one short
    bit of Zack's singing though. It's near the ending of "He Carves His
    Stone" on "Edge of Thorns", where Zack screams his head out. When I
    heard that for the first time, it occurred to me that Sava just might
    have found a worthy replacement for Jon. But it's been only that single
    time. Now I hear everyone shouting "Just listen to DWD, the songs Jon sings
    are the worst ones on the disc!" True. But Jon's supposed to sound like one
    angry sonofabitch on those tracks. Does he sound like that? See? He conveys
    the emotion, whereas rest of the songs are empty in the same way everything
    on HoR and EoT is. I wouldn't want anyone to form their opinions of Jon
    based on the few songs on DWD. Get the earlier Sava stuff, especially
    "Hall..." and "Gutter Ballet" and "Streets". Listen to the feelings,
    people! Music has always been not just about technicality, but feelings,
    inspiration and maybe some perspiration. :) So, if you ask me, Jon Oliva is
    one of the absolute greats in metal singing ever.

    I'd be glad to hear other people's opinions of this...

    _Mape_

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:21:00 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Anthony G LaSorsa <agls@christa.unh.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Rush at Fleet Center/DT shows
    Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91a.961024101429.22455C-100000@christa.unh.edu>

    Hello all. I just had a couple of quick questions. First, who on this
    list other than Rick@Brown are going to be at the Rush show? I'll
    definitely be wearing my Ytsejam shirt. (which should arrive soon!)
    My second question is: Does anybody know when DT will do some shows in
    the New England area?(Mass, NH, Me) I have seen all these posts about a
    show in one of the Carolinas and in Pennsylvania. What are these shows
    for? Are they to test out some new tunes? If anyone with any
    information about these subjects, let me know.
    My address is agls@christa.unh.edu
    Later,
    Tony

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:44:47 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Hi Hi Hi ....
    Message-ID: <199610241444.KAA05617@wicked.stigmata.org>

    Hey All ...

            Just a few quick things. I am WAY behind on jams,
    so I just wanted everyone to know this stuff. First, latest
    and greatest Mike Bahr Update is available from the archive
    as bahr102496.

            Second, just wanted everyone to know we currently
    have 918 subscribers :)

    That's all for now :)

    Skadz

    ---------------------------------------------------------
    Ryan P Skadberg skadz@soundlogic.com
            Internet / Network / Systems Consultant
    Sound Logic Consulting New Media Communications
    http://www.soundlogic.com http://www.mindstorm.com
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    left alone with a cold blank stare, i feel like giving up
                    acos - dream theater
    ---------------------------------------------------------

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:36:12 -0500
    From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1964
    Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961024153612.006d4658@enteract.com>

    >> Of course, if you knew the exact references from which an instrumental
    >> was written, you might also form that conclusion but I think that lyrics
    >> are the key illustrator in most songs.
    >
    >So if people didn't have language, they wouldn't be affected by intense
    >music. I fail to understand your conclusion that we can only appreciate
    >what we understand.

    Whoa now, Bafhulio. I don't see him saying that there at all. Maybe you
    misunderstood my lame ass joke about wanting to increase tension on the jam.
    It's an absolute reality that tunes with vocals are more readily consumed
    and understood than tunes where the box are used for melody alone, or where
    there are no vocal tracks. He's not saying "I don't understand 'For the
    Love of God'" but rather making a valid point that Pull me Under is going to
    be a much moe approachable song to most people, regardless of how much we
    all love FtLoG. And yes this was an example, and yes I am putting words in
    his mouth, but I think it follows with his point.

    >> When I go through Awake, I refer to all of the tracks as songs
    >> except Erotomania, which I term an instrumental due to it's lack of
    >> vocal content.
    >
    >I wonder what the band memebers would have to say about this issue?

    I think DT would be fine with that. Call it what you want. Some people
    require lyrics to consider music a song... some do not. That's just a
    categorization... doesn't mean he doesn't dig Erotomania....

    "I'm afraid of politicians who have no hobbies." - A.R.U.

    Christopher Ptacek EnterAct, L.L.C. We don't suck.
                                         We now have proof.
    http://www.enteract.com (312) 248-8511
                   "#1 ISP in the Midwest, #3 in the USA."
                          - C|Net (http://www.cnet.com)

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:44:58 -0300
    From: Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@vwc.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: bidding update
    Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961023113256.1a7f4846@mailhost.vwc.edu>

    Arright, here. Subconscious still stands at $100, and Tragedy/Comedy went
    up a notch to $75. I'll keep the bidding open til tomorrow, so if you're
    still interested, let me know!

    Jaime the Dragon

    jaimekimpton@vwc.edu

    "With the light in our eyes, it's hard to see
    Holding on til we believe
    I'm not touched, but I'm aching to be
    I want you to come, walk this world with me..."

    - Heather Nova

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:56:06 +0000
    From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Skunkworks
    Message-ID: <199610241603.LAA02521@Walden.MO.NET>

    Man, I'm in the process of rediscovering the most recent Dickinson
    (sort of) project, Skunkworks. man, it's really got some good stuff
    on it, but it is most definitely NOT Maiden by any stretch. BTW,
    speaking of Maiden, if anyone has any bass tab for Maiden songs, let
    me know. I have part of "...Ancient Mariner" (which I figured out
    before I got the tab), and "Phantom of the Opera" (I think that's the
    other one). Thanks.

    Dale R. Newberry

    "7 more days to Halloween (Rush), Halloween (Rush), Halloween
    (Rush)... "
                              -Halloween III (Season of the Witch) - CRAPPY movie

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 14:03:55 -0400
    From: JB <beamup@vt.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: DT Paraphanalia
    Message-ID: <199610241803.OAA27953@sable.cc.vt.edu>

    I've been able to get my hands on a few Awake concert Tshirts, however, I
    was wondering about
    any I&W t's, or any other DT stuff that's available to order.... if anyone
    knows of ways to order older
    stuff pri-mail me... thanks.
     
    notes from Virginia Tech
    the desk of Computer Engr.
    Jason Brindel & VT acappella
    beamup@vt.edu Juxtaposition

    http://www.vt.edu:10021/ http://www.vt.edu:10021/
            B/beamup org/juxtap
    -------------------------------------------------
    Animation.... breathes a cloudless mind
    Fascination.... leaves the doubting blind.
    Until the circle breaks, and wisdom lies ahead
    The faithful live Awake, the rest remain misled...
                    -Dream Theater-
    -------------------------------------------------

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    Date: 24 Oct 96 14:47:09 EDT
    From: Pete Davis <75463.2253@CompuServe.COM>
    To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Ticket Info for DT Shows
    Message-ID: <961024184709_75463.2253_FHQ48-1@CompuServe.COM>

    Does anyone have ticket information for the Strand and Birch Hill shows? I just
    called Ticketmaster and they know nothing about Birch Hill. Maybe it's a bit
    early since the shows were just announced.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated!

    Pete Davis
    Houston, TX

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:49:27 -0400 (AST)
    From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: what the fuck is wrong with the muzack?
    Message-ID: <199610241949.PAA26101@mail.caribe.net>

    At 08:26 PM 10/23/96 -0700, you wrote:
    >hey,
    >
    >I want to know why there are groups like green day , wich i have more
    >tallent in my pinky finger than the whole band does,can go and sell
    >millions of cds and bands like dt who in my opinion are the best and most
    >tallated band in the history of rock musis are virtuly un heard of. that
    >is what pisses me off the most!!people on majesty are about the only
    >senseable people about music!
    >
    >from aaron
     Eheheh ... i think we all share your opinion here.. that Dt should be
    acknowledge etc.. hehe but remember.. selling records does not mean you have
    talen..it only means that the public likes what you do... and sometimes
    (most of the time) the public's tastes are screwed up!!

                 We Can Learn From the past..but those days are gone..
                 We can hope for the future..but there may not be one...
                  
                         DREAM THEATER: A CHANGE OF SEASONS

                    WOWOWOWWWWWW hoooo wowoW WOWWwwwwww hoooo -Devin Townsend

                     Email: Calfaro@Caribe.net

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:41:47 +0000
    From: "Steve "R" Lehrfeld" <DREG@hutman.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: DT Theme
    Message-ID: <1365951251-3174541@hutman.com>

    The Dream Theater Theme for Windows 95 is now available on my
    web site at:

    http://www.hutman.com/dreg/

    Have fun!

    -steve
    DREG Records

    **************************************************
    DREG Records homepage:
    http://www.hutman.com/dreg/

    Available now:

    * "DREGs of the Internet - Vol 1" - a dozen of the internet's
      best independent progressive rock & metal bands...
    * Facade's "fade" - original progressive rock...
    **************************************************

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:51:54 -0400 (AST)
    From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: I got WDATU!
    Message-ID: <199610241951.PAA26165@mail.caribe.net>

    At 04:01 AM 10/24/96 -0700, you wrote:
    >
    >It's true!
    >Strolling peacefully around my favourite CD store back home
    >in Turku, Finland, <snip> then saw WDATU, and just had to
    >get it even though it cost FIM 200 (like 45 bucks or so..).
    >

    Do mike Bahr cd's sell in stores?? How come?

                 We Can Learn From the past..but those days are gone..
                 We can hope for the future..but there may not be one...
                  
                         DREAM THEATER: A CHANGE OF SEASONS

                    WOWOWOWWWWWW hoooo wowoW WOWWwwwwww hoooo -Devin Townsend

                     Email: Calfaro@Caribe.net

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:06:26 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
    To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Just to clarify....
    Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.961024150153.10088A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>

    There have been a lot of people who, from what I know, have been assuming
    incorrectly the location of some of our list members. Specifically a
    post in the last 'jam that refered to Bafu and Mike Bahr as 'East coast
    jammers', and post before that that had similiar statements. Bafu is on
    the *west* coast, I believe Washington. I don't know where he resides
    while he's not in school, but for better than half the year he's on the
    west side of our little island. As for Mike Bahr, he's in the southwest,
    Arizona I believe, although I could be wrong. The thing about Mike Bahr
    is he has the money and determination to go to the east coast for shows
    and Cons whenever he damn well pleases, so I can see why someone might
    think he would lived there.

    Hey, Mike? Any chance you could make one of the December shows and
    release the new DT CD before they do? ;)

     
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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:45:04 -0400
    From: Mike Estok <estok@teleport.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: yyZ
    Message-ID: <199610242043.NAA23327@kim.teleport.com>

            At the risk of sounding like a smart-ass, I feel compelled to answer
    Rip's question:

    >why yyz? why not yyq or even yyy ?
            
            well...YYZ is the code-name for the Toronto Intl. Airport.
    According to RIck Terry (@1996) "The song has a variety of musical textures
    representing the airport's ethnic diversity."
            oh yeah...and rush is Canadian too. :)

            M I C H E L O B

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:58:00 -0500 (EST)
    From: Anthony <AKOZAR@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
    To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
    Subject: New DT music ??!!
    Message-ID: <01IB112EEIQA0050MJ@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>

    hello 'jammers!!

    i'm finally back from a long "vacation" (nearly a year i think) and i managed
    to catch an obscure reference the other day to some new DT music ?? what
    i caught seemed to say that some of you have already heard demos of the
    songs for the new album at drum clinics, etc ?? if someone wouldnt mind
    filling me in or whatever that would be great !! (something about Derek's
    "angst-ridden" keyboards too) i would love to discuss what is already known
    about the upcoming album ...

    also, tommorrow night (!!) im going to see Rush in Detroit and if there are
    any jammers out there who want to try and meet at the concert please write me
    at

            akozar@uoft02.utoledo.edu

    thanks!

    Anthony Kozar

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:02:33 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
    To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Finally... The Con...
    Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.961024150633.10088B-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>

    Well, this post has been a long time coming, but if I wait much longer
    it's not even going to be worth posting. But I do want to give my
    thoughts on YtseCon III and the people that made it happen.

    I won't bore you with Irene and my entire trip to NY, so we'll keep this
    confined to Saturday (and technically early Sunday morning), with just
    one note that on Friday I got a call from Jeff Chew asking everyone to
    meet in the lobby at 11:30 to start setting up.

    Well, 11:30 came, and Irene and I headed downstairs to help out. We get
    there, and there's a big group of scary looking people wearing Dream
    Theater shirts standing in the hallway by the conference room. Not
    knowing what most of the staff looked like, I assumed it was them. Well,
    apparently no one from the staff was there yet (apart from myself). It's
    funny, but these people just kind of congregated together when they saw
    each other, and the group kept growing... It happens like that a lot,
    actually, one of us seeing another DT shirt and striking up an instant
    conversation, of course this time, there were a lot more of us. So I
    waited with them and shot the shit until Jeff showed up with a few other
    staff members. We all made our way into the conference room and started
    getting things together.

    After things were in order there, Irene and I headed back up to our room
    to drag down the three bags of Ytsejam tshirts I had brought with me. As
    we step off the elevator, there is someone else getting on. As we pass,
    he looks at the shirts (we had on Ytsejam shirts) and apparently saw the
    Majesty logo, then looked at the back of the shirts as we passed and
    asked if we were here for the Con (an astonishingly stupid question, but
    still... :). We stopped for a minute and turned around to talk to him.
    He asked who we were, and I introduced myself, then Irene, and watched
    half in amusement and half in realization as he got a very embarrassed
    look on his face and crouched into the eleveator apparently to avoid
    impending pummeling. No introduction was necessary on his part, I just
    looked at him and said "You must be Mike." Mike "Syrinx" Ostrich, that
    is, with whom I had just had a three day flame war on the jam with about
    a rather rude comment he made about Irene and I. Well, sorry to
    dissappoint everyone, but there was no fist fight or 'rumble in the bronx
    (or in this case Queens)'. We actually got along suprisingly well.

    So Mike headed downstairs and we grabbed the shirts and went back down
    ourselves. We finished setting things up and opened the doors, and then
    it was a nearly steady flow of people coming in and buying shirts for
    about 15 minutes or so. By then, the crowd in the hall had migrated
    inside the room and it was just a trickle of people in small groups
    coming in every once in a while. Well, Mike Bahr showed up and the shit
    hit the fan. Luckily I was able to grab him and get my hands on some CDs
    before he was consumed by the crowd. After that, there was a large
    circle of people surrounding him like hungry wolves to buy CDs. Mike's
    only regret was not having brought enough CDs for everyone. I actually
    had visions of him taking over at the mic and the room filling with the
    sounds of "IgotalimitededitionbetatestofPreciousThingsrighthereforya,
    onlythreeofthemarebeingmade... (deeeeeeeep breath)... I'mgonnastartthe
    biddingat30dollars,doIhave30dollars?30dollars,thankyousir,doIhear35?35,
    thankyouma'am.DoIhear--wait?What'sthat?50dollars!Ihaveabidof50dollars.
    50dollarsgoingoncegoingtwice.... SOLD to the man in the Dream Theater
    shirt, thank you very much sir." But Mike kept it small and private and
    things worked out for him, so I hope he's happy. :)

    The Con progressed pretty smoothly from that point on, we played music,
    we mingled, we talked, we joked. Bahr sold CDs, I sold shirts, Jeff
    tried and tried and tried to convince Derek to come to the Con or to get
    JP or JLB to come along with him... We played CDs and talked about them,
    etc...

    For those curious, this is what I remember playing:
    Dream Theater -- Awake
    Dream Theater -- Precious Things (I think it was a Beta, could have been
                     an alpha, at any rate, it was the one that went to Chris
                     Oates for $50)
    Superior -- Behind
    Altura -- Mercy (thanks to Paul Cashman)
    Trans Siberian Orchesta -- Christmas Eve and Other Stories (I have no
                     idea how this guy got a pre-release, but we listened to it)

    I think that's about it, but if I forgot one, let me know.

    Well, Rob Barker finally showed up (what was it, Rob? 2 hours late?), and
    he and Mike Ostrich went on to do their acoustic set at roughly 3:15.
    They played a few songs, but I can't say for sure what... I believe
    Tears, Dust in the Wind, The Silent Man... and then attempts at a few
    other DT songs that just should NOT be done on acoustic guitar. :) After
    their set, Frank 'Mojoman' Benenati (Yes, the same one who just
    unsubscribed in a blaze of glory) got up there and played some more stuff
    with Rob. Highlights of the set? Mike Bahr's backing vox on TSM, John
    Cahill's heckles from the back of the room (directed toward Rob, I
    believe). By the way, Rob, what the hell picture *did* you take? :)
    And of course the playing of both Rob and Mike and the joking and general
    atmosphere in the room during the set.

    After that, the Con began winding down some, people broke off into other
    groups, talked, mingled, made plans for afterwards, etc. After the Con,
    a large groups of us, mostly staff, but also some others, went to
    Roosevelt Field for dinner, and then to Q-zar to be riddle with sniper
    fire from Jeff Chew's gun.

    Highlights after the Con:
    * Just being able to hang out with everyone a bit longer and talk and BS
      and things like that.
    * Once again putting my life in Augie's hands on the highways of
      beautiful New York.
    * Mike Bahr having to buy a suitcoat just to get on his return flight home.
    * The employee of Q-zar who repeatedly asked us why the hell we were all
      wearing the same shirt.
    * Almost getting kicked out of Q-zar because too many members of the
      group were violating the 'no running' rule.
    * Watching Mike 'Gamemaster' Bahr do a phenominal job on an arcade game
      he had apparantly never touched before.
    * Watching Jeff plead for his life with his not-quite-girlfriend whom he
      had forgotten to call earlier. :)
    * Hanging out with Rachel and Augie and Jeff after Q-zar as we waited and
      prayed for Mike Bahr and Johnny Mastin to show up again with the car.
    * Watching a drug deal go down 100 yards from where we dropped Rachel off at.
    * Getting edged out of our exit lane by a bastard Queens driver and
      having to make three U-turns just to get back on the damned expressway.
    * Almosted getting plowed down by an ambulance while cirling Queens Blvd
      looking for an entrance ramp.
    * Listening to Mike Bahr's ranting lecture on why Q-zar sucks and Magic:
      The Gathering is the game to end all games.
    * Hanging out with Mike Bahr and Paul Cashman in their room and bugging
      the hell out of Chris Oates as he tried to sleep.
    * Playing Magic: The Gathering with Mike Bahr in my room and listening to
      music and talking until his 5:45 plane flight back home.
      * Actually beating Mike Bahr in Magic: The Gathering on my first and
        only attempt to play (It was a practice round, and I knew what cards he
        had, so it didn't really count, but still... :)
      * Listening to Mike Bahr's jokes and Beavis and Butthead imitations.
      * Surprisingly in depth discussions of different elements of DT's
        music, and going through the CDs to find repeating riffs and patterns.
    * Hanging out with Rachel again on Sunday.
    * Running into Paul Cashman again on our way to Manhattan.

    Ok, I think I've ranted long enough... And I don't think there's much
    that I have missed. I hope this gives some of you a better idea of what
    a day with some DT fans can really be like, and those of you involved in
    this Con something to look back on.

    For those asking, yes, I am working on a Con for the midwest sometime
    next year. Most likely when DT is in town so they might be able to drop
    in. After MCing this Con and doing the shirts, programs, and nametags, I
    think I can handle doing one on my own. I'm already working on some ways
    to make this bigger and better, and I hope that it's enough to get some
    attendance. And I certainly hope that those of you on the east coast can
    find the time and funds to come to this one, as we have for the ones in NY.

    Well, that's it for now... I think I'm all written out. Later all...

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