YTSEJAM digest 1968

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Fri Oct 25 1996 - 02:03:53 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) DT in NJ!!!
     by BLevy@aol.com
      2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1967
     by evan andrew nelson <enelson@students.uiuc.edu>
      3) sava and skadz
     by "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
      4) Re: bidding update
     by Edward Polzin <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
      5)
     by Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@vwc.edu>
      6) Geo-graphy, why didn't Derek come to the 'con, 'jam tastes, etc...
     by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
      7) Re: ATTN: NJ-NY-EastCoast 'Jammers!!!
     by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
      8) Picking up lost alligators and selling them for Jellybeans
     by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
      9) Is it a "Song?" (check Yes or No)
     by Big.Swifty@twav.com
     10) Scaring away new jammers
     by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
     11) Mith and Mojo
     by Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
     12) Jon Oliva....'TAGE
     by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
     13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1966
     by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
     14) Re: sava (No DTC)
     by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
     15) Arin/T.C./Rising Power/NP/DSP/exam/friday
     by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 22:56:16 -0400
    From: BLevy@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: DT in NJ!!!
    Message-ID: <961024225615_1381399411@emout20.mail.aol.com>

    Hey all,

    What a week!!! I was all cought up in my jams as of last Sunday, and then
    Monday I had to start taking care of some things, so I really could not do
    much beyond downloading the JAMs, and getting to them tonight, there were
    about 15 of them! See what happens if you stop paying attention, everything
    happens:
         DT is coming to Birch Hill, I live about 20 miles from the place!!! If
    I remember correctly, RUSH is going to be at MSG on the 15th, about 30 miles
    from my house. I think this will be a good weekend!!!
         Mith and Mojo left the JAM, and with them, probably a large part of the
    "better than the rest of you" attitude. While I fully understand some of the
    gripes that have been raised, I still find enough valuable info here to make
    it worth while (see subject line!!)

    L8R,
    Brian

    In CD Player--Lemur Voice-Insights

    P.S. I am currently assessing some music I recently acquired via my last
    trip to the store and some tapes I got from Syrinx. I will post my relevant
    opinions this weekend...

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 22:24:33 -0500 (CDT)
    From: evan andrew nelson <enelson@students.uiuc.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1967
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961024222238.2561A-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>

    > From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
    > To: ytsejam@ax.com
    > Subject: Re: Subconscious
    > Message-ID: <199610250141.TAA01371@cyberhighway.net>
    >
    > > Wow! From what I've seen at shops, this is cheap. I sure hope
    > > someone who needs the disc is wise enough to grab it while they can.
    >
    > Has anyone ever gotten their Subconscious CDs from that James Arin
    > Colberg guy? It's been a month since I sent the money and I did receive an
    > e-mail from him that he'd received my check. Maybe it got lost in
    > the mail, maybe he lost my address, maybe he's this Al guy in
    > disguise. If you are on the list James, could you please mail me and
    > let me know what's going on? Hopefully if it got sent to the wrong
    > address, it was someone who liked it. $25 for a new DT convert
    > wouldn't be half bad. That's the only good thing that could've happened,
    > I guess.

    I ordered the same CD from him a while back, and I remember it taking a
    couple of months to come, but it eventually did. I think the reason it
    takes a while is that he uses a CD-R to make them, and they take a while
    to write CDs.

    One week til Rush in St. Louis!!

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 21:46:42 -0600
    From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: sava and skadz
    Message-ID: <m0vGdFd-000TWuC@mis01.micron.net>

    I would have to disagree with mape about jon being better than zack.
    However since I'm not one to disagree with someone just for the sake of
    disagreeing (especially with a jammer cause you're automatically cool)
    I'll state my reasons for believing so. I also think he had several good
    points. I tend to prefer Zack's voice because I am more of a fan of
    excellence and technique as opposed to raw power with very little
    technique. Even so, I still get shivers when I listen to the madrigal
    harmony deal on "Chance." I think he does a real good job on songs like
    "Lights out" and "Not what you see" which require a good deal of emotion.
    OTOH, "I Am" and "Doesn't matter anyway" are 2 of my faves on DWD. I do
    have gutter ballet, and it constitutes all 5.6% of the CD's that I bought
    because of jammer recommendations that i don't like. Maybe I'll listen to
    it again. I guess I'd better post again after I listen to it again since
    in the course of this post I've just extinguished all my dislike of jon.
    I'm sure you'll all look forward to it:)

    Thanks for responding to the # of posters skadz, but how many jammers were
    subbed when the Acos petition went out and stuff? I realize that you
    weren't the HGIC back then, so just say so if you don't know.

    Craig Wuthrich

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 22:50:13 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Edward Polzin <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: bidding update
    Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.961024224940.14680A-100000@eehpx43.cen.uiuc.edu>

    Geez, if subcon is going for $100, i wonder what the original master disc
    is worth (subcon #000)? :)

                                            Ed

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    On Thu, 24 Oct 1996, Jaime Kimpton wrote:

    > Arright, here. Subconscious still stands at $100, and Tragedy/Comedy went
    > up a notch to $75. I'll keep the bidding open til tomorrow, so if you're
    > still interested, let me know!
    >
    >
    > Jaime the Dragon
    >
    > jaimekimpton@vwc.edu
    >
    > "With the light in our eyes, it's hard to see
    > Holding on til we believe
    > I'm not touched, but I'm aching to be
    > I want you to come, walk this world with me..."
    >
    > - Heather Nova
    >
    >
    >

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 23:54:50 -0300
    From: Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@vwc.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961023202254.193f4bc0@mailhost.vwc.edu>

    Olaf wrote:
    << This 2 CD Set is a cheap imitation from THE DANCE OF ETERNITY, released
    in Germany ( - by the same guy who gave us the Long Island Pt. 1 + 2 CD's )
    in 1995 and is available all over Europe for approx. 20 $ (+ postage) on any
    record convention ...... I do not know whether it is possible to by this
    "Item" in the
    US, but 50 $ is a very high minimum / price for a imitation, last bid 65 $ /
    70 $ ? >>

    If you're implying I'm trying to rip people off, let me make it absolutely
    clear that I am *not*. Most of the minimum prices are what I myself paid
    for it, and for T/C it was $25 per CD. I would have accepted that much. I
    paid $15 for the Ryche vinyl about five years ago, and a couple people
    mentioned to me that it's fairly easily accessible for about $5. Okay, I
    got ripped off. So I dropped the price. However, I'm not sure T/C is so
    easily accessible here in the US, and I think that's reflected in the fact
    that people are willing to pay that much for it. Those bids are what *they*
    are willing to pay for it. I just set a minimum price at what *I* paid for
    that particular CD set so *I* don't lose money (something I am very short on
    these days). Furthermore, yes, T/C is an imitation of Dance. "Cheap,"
    however, is a purely subjective appraisal. The bidders are perfectly
    capable of making their own decisions with regard to that.

    I hope I made myself clear. I'm *really* not trying to rip anyone off - god
    knows it's happened to me in the past, including by people on the Jam.
    (Anyone remember Steve Bauer from a couple years ago? That's someone who's
    owed me three or four tapes for, oh, a year and a half now.)

    Jaime the Dragon, in search of a new and amusing .sig...

    jaimekimpton@vwc.edu

    'I am Buffy of Borg. Prepare to be, like, TOTALLY assimilated'
    'I am Clinton of Borg. Resistance is taxable!'
    'I am Dude of Borg! Prepare to be... Whoa! Babes!!!'
    'I am Homer of Borg! Prepare to be...OOooooo! Donuts!!!
    'I am Popeye of Borg. Prepare to be askimilgrated.'

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 21:38:53 PDT
    From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Geo-graphy, why didn't Derek come to the 'con, 'jam tastes, etc...
    Message-ID: <9610250438.AA21352@tengs1>

    Pat sed...

    >There have been a lot of people who, from what I know, have been assuming
    >incorrectly the location of some of our list members. Specifically a
    >post in the last 'jam that refered to Bafu and Mike Bahr as 'East coast
    >jammers', and post before that that had similiar statements. Bafu is on
    >the *west* coast, I believe Washington. I don't know where he resides
    >while he's not in school, but for better than half the year he's on the
    >west side of our little island. As for Mike Bahr, he's in the southwest,
    >Arizona I believe, although I could be wrong.

    I can see how that could've been construed "East Coast 'jammers, MB, BV,"
    but I _am_ aware that MB lives in some suburb of Phoenix and BV lives in
    Seattle. We aren't as dense[ly populated] out here as you might think :^)>
    *****
    Also, what was that thing Griffin (?) posted about Jeff haranguing
    Derek to come to the 'Con? Was that hyperbole, or might Mojo be right
    and they are sick of us?

    *****
    Bill Wrightson wrote,

    >I have the following CDs for sale or trade. They are all originals
    >and have only been played 2 or 3 times each. I am getting rid of these
    >because I personally did not like them even though they are pretty popular
    >here on the jam.

    Not *my* 'jam !^)>

    >Galactic Cowboys - Machine Fish - $10

    Saw them on the IAW tour. They were okay live, but I've never bought
    anything by them.

    >Fates Warning - No Exit - $10

    Good, but I prefer Fates' post-metal phase (the last three albums)

    >Magellan - Hour of Restoration - $15 (out of print)

    Don't like Magellan.

    >Altura - Mercy - $10

    Don't like Altura either, but I'll keep it for a while in hopes that
    I will *someday*. Talented, but lacking in inspiration/direction.

    >At the risk of sounding like a smart-ass, I feel compelled to answer
    >Rip's question:
    >
    >>why yyz? why not yyq or even yyy ?
    >
    > well...YYZ is the code-name for the Toronto Intl. Airport.

    I think the answer was rhetorical.
    *****
    >The thing about Fates is that the hooks stay with you, and they are very
    >subtle. There is a groove, but a progressive, complicated, almost subliminal
    >groove to Fates that I find lacking in both DT and LV. So shoot me.

    *BLAM* You know, why don't more criminals use hollowpoints? They can't
    trace the ballistics on them.
    *****
    [Anton] max said:

    >Anyone have any idea yet which shows
    >will be 21+ only? And if they're all 21+,
    >any chance of stalling one of them for 2 weeks?

    A friend of mine once took her friend to a bar the midnight
    of her birthday. They refused to sell her anything because they
    said, "Well, you might not have been born 'till later in the
    day." Idiots! That f*cking place closed down about a year after
    that. Sadly, I see stuff like that all the time in that hick county.
    I can tell some good 'ole stories about Amador County and Volcano,
    CA (pop. 100, give or take)
    *****
    Dan Temmesfeld went,

    >Please, could somebody help me find the TSO "Christmas Eve and Other
    >Stories" disc???
    >
    >If you have it, where did you get it?
    >
    >I'm having *no* luck here in Dayton, Ohio. If you got it in a big chain
    >store, like Best Buy/ Blockbuster, what section was it in? I've checked at
    >those places, and (no surprise) the clerks are absolutely clueless as to
    >what it is.

    You know, this is why I don't support the raising of the minimum
    wage. *You* are the customer. It is *their* responsibility to find
    out how to get this disc. I work in an engineering service dept.
    that supports our whole company. I do not _have_ the option of
    shrugging my shoulders and washing my hands of a problem. If I can't
    fix it, then I damn well better make sure that I find someone,
    somewhere who can help me. Nothing is impossible (well, almost).
    If the disc is out, then they can get it for you. I'm tempted to
    go to that whole-in-the-wall Wherehouse in Lodi (CA) and rattle
    their monkeys about it |^)>

    tafn,

    Zach

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    Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 00:41:40 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
    To: Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
    Subject: Re: ATTN: NJ-NY-EastCoast 'Jammers!!!
    Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961025004049.16107A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>

    > Sat. December 14th - Birch Hill - Old Bridge, NJ
    >
    > Does anybody out there have info on this show? Ticket cost? Directions?
    > Etc? I'm very much interested in going (it's the weekend after Fall
    > quarter is done). I'd need some more info if you have it.

            As i have already stated earlier in the day, I called Birch Hill
    and they said to wait two weeks. In two weeks they'll have the info.
    So, i'll call next week. I'll post to the jam about any info i get.

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 23:55:12 +0000
    From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Picking up lost alligators and selling them for Jellybeans
    Message-ID: <327001E0.E2@sprynet.com>

    To anyone who can't find the Trans-Siberian Orchestra CD - I was in a
    local store and checked for it, not expecting to find it when there I
    see about sic of 'em. I am curious to it but I was there to get the new
    Vai and an old Rush and decided to hold off. So, if anyone wants me to
    pick them up a copy, I can do so unless they've sold them by now (yeah
    right....).

    A quick little story with some DT content. I have been bringing some
    tunes to work lately because all they play there is pop crap. I have
    been playing all sorts of cool stuff like DT, Queensryche, Fates
    Warning, Rush, Savatage, Threshold, Nevermore, Seventhsign, Angra,
    Stratovarius, blah blah blah. the only response I get from fellow
    co-workers (with the exception of a good friend into the same stuff as
    me) has been basically "80s crap". Bums. I can get everyone into QR
    "Empire" though. I guess because they've heard it. No one seems amazed
    by DT though. oh well. Maybe i should get a job with less crackhead
    employees. When i am really in a mood, I'll put in some Carcass. That
    seems to get the most (negative) response. Well, except when I show
    everyone a picture of King Diamond........

    Cool Cd of the day: Flotsam & Jetsam "Drift"

    later

    Phillip, off to study History crap...

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    Date: 24 Oct 1996 23:50:50 CDT
    From: Big.Swifty@twav.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Is it a "Song?" (check Yes or No)
    Message-ID: <199610250458.VAA06117@pawn.ax.com>

    YT>>I think DT would be fine with that. Call it what you want. Some people
    YT>>require lyrics to consider music a song... some do not. That's just a
    YT>>categorization... doesn't mean he doesn't dig Erotomania....
    Why not call them tone poems? They seem to be highly regarded among
    learned people:)
             *********************** ***************************
            * * * *
           * Mark Peters * "...the..." - Kevin *
           * big.swifty@twav.com * Moore, "Space-Dye Vest" *
            * * * *
             *********************** ***************************

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    Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 00:00:08 +0000
    From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Scaring away new jammers
    Message-ID: <32700308.380E@sprynet.com>

    I think someone said something like "all the flames are scaring away new
    jammers.."

    When I first got on the Jam a few months back, one of the first issues
    was filled with a bunch of Moo-cows..Pictures of them i mean.Then they
    had the letters with all that
    "kljfkjskdjfskdjfsdfj23j4324jwwhatthefunkisgoingonlfkjfksdjf"
    crap...then they had the infamous Metallica debate...I was rather
    perplexed....but i made it and am still here!

    "moo"

    later (again)

    Phillip (that history crap is still waiting)

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    Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 01:11:03 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Mith and Mojo
    Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.961025010022.19779A-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>

    > Mith and Mojo left the JAM, and with them, probably a large part of the
    > "better than the rest of you" attitude. While I fully understand some of the
    > gripes that have been raised, I still find enough valuable info here to make
    > it worth while (see subject line!!)

    I think it's funny how these two d00ds left the jam right before the big
    tour announcements. I'm sure they'll find out about it though. But the jam
    is getting a little better now. At least we can talk about the upcoming
    mini-tour now. And even though I'll be seeing Rush in Philly in November,
    I envy all the jammers going to see DT and Rush in one weekend (ie. Birch
    Hill and the Meadowlands). I could die after seeing these bands day after
    day.

    Brandon (Taco Belhai)

    "Dream Theater sucks and REM is better. You know why? Because REM has been
    on Rolling Stone many times. And what about your favorite band Dream
    Theater? They have never been on the cover."

                           - my former roomate at the University of Maryland

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    Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 01:14:56 -0400
    From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Jon Oliva....'TAGE
    Message-ID: <32704CD0.49E9@earthlink.net>

    > All pre-Zack era Savatage discs can create an atmosphere that's been
    > missing from every disc ever since Jon quit singing. Just take a listen
    > to the title track of "Hall of the Mountain King" and tell me Zack Stevens
    > is able to create an atmosphere even half as insane that Jon does.

    "Welcome my friends......HAHAHAHA..to the HALL OF THE MOUNTAIN
    KINGGGGG!!!

    > I guess
    > I'm trying to say that Zack, so much better technically as he is, can't
    > possibly convey the emotion of f.ex. "When the Crowds Are Gone" the
    > way Jon does. Jon practically weeps the words out.

    One of the most emotional songs I know!!! (close to "Hallowed Be Thy
    Name" from IRON MAIDEN)

    "Turn 'em on again..one more time for me my friend" DAMN, what an
    amazing song!

    > Get the earlier Sava stuff, especially
    > "Hall..." and "Gutter Ballet" and "Streets". Listen to the feelings,
    > people! Music has always been not just about technicality, but feelings,
    > inspiration and maybe some perspiration. :) So, if you ask me, Jon Oliva is
    > one of the absolute greats in metal singing ever.
    >
    I couldn't have worded this better myself!! Agree 100%..Zak is good but
    no singer, NO SINGER achieves the emotions put forth when Jon sings. I
    "feel" the music much more with Jon singing than with Zak..sounds corny
    but its true! The video I have of Savatage in Japan in '95 shows when
    Jon sings "Gutter Ballet" and BOOM..the whole atmosphere changes in an
    instant!
      Those of you who are put off by his voice gotta look deeper than
    that...there's a whole other universe beneath those vocals.
      In a nutshell..though he's not as clean as most vocalists in
    progressive music, he adds a hell of a lot more to the music than say,
    LaBrie..he just plain rules!!

    cheers,
       Carlo (aka Fates, aka YtseSatan)

                                                              _
                                                           __| |__
    "When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __|
      maybe then you'll begin to understand | |
       Life down here is just a strange illusion." | |
                                                             |_|

                                 --IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)

                 "Neo-classical, progressive, melodic metal"

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    Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 00:37:35 -0500
    From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1966
    Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961025053735.006e2f50@enteract.com>

    >From: The Silent Man <dhplotki@students.wisc.edu>
    >Subject: You guys must see this
    >
    >Some foolio wrote this on The National Midnight Star, Rush's internet
    >mailing list. Below is my response to him. Hope you enjoy :>)

    Dude, that is THE YtseNo-No. I don't want to be on the Rush list because I
    don't want to read people telling me why MY music tastes are no good, and
    that I disgrace bands like Rush by listening to DT. That post was MAJORLY
    unnecessary. Sorry if that makes me an asshole... it's just in these times
    of much needed YtseReform, the last thing we need to do is regress to that
    sort of thing. (Incidentally, I do agree with most of what you said.)

    PS I can't type. If anyone read my last post I said box instead of vox,
    meaning vocals. Please bear with the fact that I type WAAAAAAAY too fast
    for my level of technical proficiency. :)
    ---------

    From: coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan )
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Some of you Guys......

    <snip the MIME BS>
    Was that a mistake or are you trying to be annoying?

    Just wondering if a mail bomb is in order

    (btw, if it's a mistake, please don't take this as a flame.)
    -----------
    Anyone know where I can get a decent tab program for the puter for cheap or
    free? Tabestry is NOT EFFIN' worth $60. It has occurred to me that I have
    no way of mailing anyone transcriptions of the tunes I've been working on
    without a decent tab program. :)

    Over a month now, and I still LOVE Lemur Voice. The album really bridges a
    gap between I&W DT and CiS Shadow Gallery. I highly recommend going out and
    buying this album to make up your mind for yourself. If you warn me ahead
    of time via e mail (and wait for my response) I'll BUY the album off you if
    you don't like it... just keep your receipt. Same goes for Shadow Gallery
    and Fates Warning's Inside Out. My copies are starting to get beat up from
    abusive listening (not LV yet, but it's getting heavy play)

    Finally, those you you who do not go to #ytsejam on IRC AND those of you who
    don't have the new YtseTee are missing out big time.

    "I'm afraid of politicians who have no hobbies." - A.R.U.

    Christopher Ptacek EnterAct, L.L.C. We don't suck.
                                         We now have proof.
    http://www.enteract.com (312) 248-8511
                   "#1 ISP in the Midwest, #3 in the USA."
                          - C|Net (http://www.cnet.com)

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 23:32:49 +0000
    From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: sava (No DTC)
    Message-ID: <199610250538.XAA08799@cyberhighway.net>

    > harmony deal on "Chance." I think he does a real good job on songs like
    > "Lights out" and "Not what you see" which require a good deal of emotion.
    > OTOH, "I Am" and "Doesn't matter anyway" are 2 of my faves on DWD. I do
    > have gutter ballet, and it constitutes all 5.6% of the CD's that I bought

    I love those harmony-counter harmonies! Reminds of the rounds of
    Frere Jacques we had to do back in third grade. Heheh. Totally
    captivating, now what did I do with that recorder?

    I agree also with you Craig. Jon's vox are intense and filled with
    emotion, but, he doesn't sing well on the earlier stuff, IMHO. I
    like it all, but I can safely say (under my flame-retardant PJ's)
    that I bought Gutter Ballet soley for the sake of adding it to my
    Sava-collection. Criss's Silk and Steel solo and Temptation
    Revelation are pretty kewl, tho. If you like instrumentals, that is.
    If it weren't for Zach, I don't think anyone I have shown Sav to
    would like 'em at all. End of story.

    Chuck Reis a.k.a. "The Other Ibanez"
         ibanez@cyberhighway.net

    "I feel kinda spooky..."
                  -- The Silent Man

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    Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 01:51:36 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Arin/T.C./Rising Power/NP/DSP/exam/friday
    Message-ID: <199610250551.BAA00687@beasley.cris.com>

    Re: James Arin and Subconscious

    I emailed him a few months ago and after a while he finally sent me a form
    letter detailing his supposed Subconscious project. I never got around to
    ordering.

    Recently, I emailed him again to make sure he's still doing the Subconscious
    thang. No reply. Is it possible he belongs on John McCabe's "Baaad People
    List"? Let the Jammers decide! Speak!

    Re: Cheap copy is Tragedy/Comedy

    I have only heard about these two popular boots, T/C and Dance of Eternity.
    Word has it that DoE is the best boot available. However, T/C is indeed a
    copy, with a cover as far as I know, and supposedly has equal fidelity to
    DoE. So if the fidelity is the same, what's so "cheap" about the copy? Point
    is that it's a digital copy on CD, and from the searching I've done so far,
    this particular recording, be it in DoE form or T/C form, it is still hard
    to find nowadays in the US. Sure, it might be readily available in Europe,
    but I don't know anyone in Europe who'd be happy to pick up a copy for me
    and mail it. What then, makes T/C a "cheap copy" and disqualifies it's
    seemingly high starting bid? Personally, I think T/C is more valuable than
    Subcon, but I have yet to hear either. And no, I'm not the highest bidder. I
    did bid, but my blood ain't that rich. Of course, if someone's willing to
    part with just Comedy, I might be able to help....

    It's interesting that in the last 3 weeks or so, I've run across 3 copies of
    Subcon for sale, all via auction. Yet, no one has tried to sell Acoustic
    Dreams. Interesting.

    Has anybody.....+anybody+ got any comments on Rising Power?

    Now Playing: Jamiroquai, _The Return of the Space Cowboy_

    -Rick

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