YTSEJAM Digest 1966
Today's Topics:
1) Re: iron maiden (ndtc)
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
2) Lost in The Sky, Myung, Majsety, The Chance
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
3) Bitch Hell..er...i mean Birch Hill.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
4) RE
by Olaf Bode <100734.3240@CompuServe.COM>
5) CDs for sale or trade
by bwrights@dnaent.com (Bill Wrightson)
6) Re: yyZ
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
7) Vacation? In DC? Are you *nuts*??!?!? SDTC (some DT Content)
by "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
8) You guys must see this
by The Silent Man <dhplotki@students.wisc.edu>
9) LONG Mike Bahr post, a lot of stuff covered.
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
10)
by
11)
by
12) this is cool :)
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
13) tour dates
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
14) New Demos
by "Art Hayes" <arthayes@clover.net>
15) Erotomania
by Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu>
16) Con
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
17) Re: You guys must see this
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:05:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: iron maiden (ndtc)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.961024170345.8477A-100000@unix21.andrew.cmu.edu>
> If you already have all the Maiden albums, then you're better off getting
> the 12" single for Virus because it has the 2 soundhouse tracks on side 2.
> Those three tracks are the extra songs on Best of the Beast. Plus if you
> have all the other albums already (and most of us longtime Maiden fans do)
> chances are good you can make a much better compilation on your own.
>
yeah but I wanted the artwork too...:-P
serves me right for not doing any research...
"wow, a new thing in the IM section! MINE!"
-max
Anton Max
MadMax+@cmu.edu
http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
On Wed, 23 Oct 1996 skooc@earthlink.net wrote:
>
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:20:06 -0700
From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lost in The Sky, Myung, Majsety, The Chance
Message-ID: <327007B6.53BC@dreamt.org>
About lost in the sky:
I got lucky. When I was selling bootlegs a couple of years ago, My
supplier got a copy of this and I grabbed it for myslef. One of the best
bootlegs I've ever heard. The quality is unbelievable. Plus, they played
To Live Forever and Eve, which I loved. If you ever see it get it.
>"I feel kinda spooky..."
> -- The Silent Man
This isn't from the Silent Man, last time I checked. It was from Th LiT
video where Myung tries on the kimono. Maybe it has some other kind of
meaning to "The other" Ibanez. Whatever.
>people on majesty are about the only
>senseable people about music!
Sknaht, tub s'ti ton ytsejam, s'ti majesty. Teg ti thgir txen emit, kO?
By the way, ticketmaster IS involved in the chance. When you buy tickets
at the door, they ARE ticketmaster tickets.
Note my correction at the bottom of the sig, which brings me one day
closer than I thought it was! :)
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Andy Miller:I'm one of the Andy Millers
Me: Hi. I'm DreamNDay
Andy:Damn! You post every day! It's like your job!
October 19, 1996, Albany NY
later--------------Brian
41 DAYS TILL DT HITS UPSTATE NY!!
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:37:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Bitch Hell..er...i mean Birch Hill.
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961024173645.25822D-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Hey. Just a quick note here.
I called Birch Hill today, and they said "call us back in two
weeks. we don't have enough info" or something to that effect.
so, i'll call next week. :)
____________________________________________
michael b. ostrich
musical advisor/consultant
e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org
syrinx@wicked.stigmata.org
syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu
"..and once you gift the gift away there's nothing you can do
about it. nothing that you do or say can change the way i feel about
it. try to look inside of me to find the gift that i am giving. glad
you had a chance to see the gift that i'm delivering."
- bob mould.
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Date: 24 Oct 96 17:47:47 EDT
From: Olaf Bode <100734.3240@CompuServe.COM>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE
Message-ID: <961024214746_100734.3240_EHV51-1@CompuServe.COM>
Jaime wrote :
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 12:14:55 -0300
From: Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@vwc.edu>
Subject: bidding update
A quick update on what's being bid so far:
Dream Theater _Tragedy/Comedy_: $65
#4: Dream Theater: Tragedy/Comedy (2CD set)
Minimum price: $50****
This 2 CD Set is a cheap imitation from THE DANCE OF
ETERNITY, released in Germany ( - by the same guy who
gave us the Long Island Pt. 1 + 2 CD's ) in 1995 and is
available all over Europe for approx. 20 $ (+ postage) on
any record convention ......
I do not know whether it is possible to by this "Item" in the
US, but 50 $ is a very high minimum / price for a imitation,
last bid 65 $ / 70 $ ?
Also the "very special" CD with the DT gig at the Marquee
Club in January 1995 is available in Europe too, but the
price isn't as high as a few Jammers told us. Perhaps you've
to pay the very high price in the far east, but it is no japanese
- limited - edition, it is a italian release "only" for a "normal"
price.
Perhaps you're interested to know .....
PS: .... still waiting since more than six months ....
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:38:23 -0500
From: bwrights@dnaent.com (Bill Wrightson)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CDs for sale or trade
Message-ID: <199610242138.QAA13072@lotus.dnaent.com>
Hey Jammers,
I have the following CDs for sale or trade. They are all originals
and have only been played 2 or 3 times each. I am getting rid of these
because I personally did not like them even though they are pretty popular
here on the jam. My asking prices are negotiable. I am willing to trade
some or all of these for the right CDs or videos. Old Savatage CDs (except
HOTMK and GB) are good trade bait as well as some of the progressive stuff.
Galactic Cowboys - Machine Fish - $10
Fates Warning - No Exit - $10
Magellan - Hour of Restoration - $15 (out of print)
Altura - Mercy - $10
Bill Wrightson
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 18:08:54 -0400 (AST)
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: yyZ
Message-ID: <199610242208.SAA00233@mail.caribe.net>
At 01:53 PM 10/24/96 -0700, you wrote:
> At the risk of sounding like a smart-ass, I feel compelled to answer
>Rip's question:
>
>>why yyz? why not yyq or even yyy ?
>
> well...YYZ is the code-name for the Toronto Intl. Airport.
Also another cool thing about it is that the beggining's crash pattern is
actually morse code for YYZ YYZ YYZ YYZ ... hehe i found that to be really cool
We Can Learn From the past..but those days are gone..
We can hope for the future..but there may not be one...
DREAM THEATER: A CHANGE OF SEASONS
WOWOWOWWWWWW hoooo wowoW WOWWwwwwww hoooo -Devin Townsend
Email: Calfaro@Caribe.net
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 18:28:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: "King Diamond's pet hampster" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Vacation? In DC? Are you *nuts*??!?!? SDTC (some DT Content)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961024182335.36ef22a4@pop.pipeline.com>
1. DC
I just read someone post that he had spent a vacation in the DC area. Are
you out of your mind? Of all the places you could go on vacation you chose
to come to the home of the "Crack Mayor?" Anyway, I would not recommend this
to anyone. First of all you would surely become disillusioned, if you had
any illusions left. This is supposed to be the capital of the greatest, most
advanced society in the world (no flames) and what a pigsty. On a related
note, whenever you watch a movie that takes place in DC, notice that the
location shots (Eraser is a good example) are always shot just above street
level. Why? Because there is too much trash in the streets! Or, the streets
are always wet (especially Eraser and True Lies), like they just hosed them
down. Hmm.
Sorry for the lack of DTC.
2. Subconscious
100 dollars? Really? I am tempted to put mine up for sale for that kind of
green. Quadruple your cash!
3. Dr. X and his LV review
I disagree with your statement that LV is more reminiscent of Fates than DT.
The reason I believe this to be incorrect is because Fates *never* noodles
as long and as elaborately as DT, especially with regard to keyboards. Lemur
Voice has many of those wandering moments that are very very close to the
spirit of the Images and Words type stuff. My main quarrel with LV is that
it lacks focus. The instrumental peices (not songs, but that's another post)
are much better than the songs, in my opinion. I just can't keep focus on
this cd. Nothing is memorable. That is to say that the music doesn't have
any hooks that stay with you. I enjoy it as it goes by, but I find my mind
wandering, especially during track 6 (disc is in the car, don't know any
titles).
The thing about Fates is that the hooks stay with you, and they are very
subtle. There is a groove, but a progressive, complicated, almost subliminal
groove to Fates that I find lacking in both DT and LV. So shoot me.
Kevin
GO WINGS 5-4 - vs. Chicago (espn) Friday Night
GO PACKERS 6-1 - vs. Tampa (fox) Sunday afternoon
GO BADGERS 3-3 - at MSU (espn2) Saturday afternoon
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:40:37 -0700
From: The Silent Man <dhplotki@students.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: You guys must see this
Message-ID: <v03007805ae932d8786e5@[144.92.183.102]>
Some foolio wrote this on The National Midnight Star, Rush's internet
mailing list. Below is my response to him. Hope you enjoy :>)
>i really can't believe that a true Rush fan would even mention bands like
>Dream Theatre, The Cult, or any other 'B' rated band. Music is one thing
>and nobody else plays with such synergy as Rush,but let's turn to lyrics.
>Look at the depth in Neil's lyrics not only does it flow but it has
>meaning it actually says something, and is not just filler for what to put
>between baby and yeah.It's a free country so listen to what you want but
>please don't disgrace them by comparing them with commercial bands who are
>sellouts.
>As for the music I listen to the Police have a great lineup, especially
>the stuff that I don't hear on the radio, late '70s Genesis(back when they
>were cool), VH w/D.L.R., I like all of these for different reasons than I
>like Rush but that's the point.
>Lookin forward to the Civic Arena on 11/4 If they test I will defenitely
>Echo...o...o...o...o
>Till next Time
>Permntwv@aol.com
First of all, it's Dream TheatER, not RE, you fool. Let's just get that out
in the open. If you're gonna knock 'em, at the very least get their name
correct. I really don't know if I should even waste my time responding to
this idiot, to be quite frank about it, but let's give it a whirl, shall
we?
Alright, I can't say very much when it comes to The Cult for I'm pretty
ignorant when it comes to their music. But referring to Dream Theater as
sellouts? I believe your subject header exclaims my thoughts precisely at
this point (it was "are you kidding me?). If by calling them sellouts
you're alluding to the band's music getting played on AOR, then Rush would
by far be more of one than DT is. Maybe I've heard Pull Me Under a grand
total of five times on the radio in the four years or so I've been a fan.
But that's it. Never anything else besides that particular song. One could
name at least ten Rush songs that are consistantly recycled on the radio.
So when it comes to radio airplay, Rush is far and away the bigger sellout.
It seems pretty obvious to me though that they have not become a sellout.
Or did I just completely miss something?
By terming DT sellouts are you questioning the integrity of their lyrics? I
challenge you to refer to ANY one of their songs from ANY one of their
albums. Find me one that lacks emotional depth, find me one whose lyrics
don't probe the innermost thoughts and feelings of their creator, find me
one that suffers from mere superficiality. Funny how Van Halen's lyrics
don't come up, as long as you're stating bands you "like." I can think of
one, nay, maybe two or three "hot topics," as it were, prevelent in their
lyrics: Love, Girls, and oh yeah, Love. Ok. I'll grant you one concession.
Dreams. Fine, are you happy? Now don't get me wrong. I happen to love VH,
old and new. However, their lyrics do leave a whole lot to be desired the
majority of the time.
I could in fact sit here and question many more ideas that this guy touches
upon, such as "quality of music," and more importantly, what a "true fan"
is. I'll touch on both briefly.
Are you actually saying that because we don't listen to what others' deem
"musically acceptable" or "non-commercial" (whatever that means) we're not
true fans. I happen to listen to Dream Theater, Yes, Pantera, and many
other progressive bands just as much as I listen to Rush. I listen to quite
a bit of jazz as well. Should I not be considered a true fan? Oh please, I
beg your forgiveness in the worst possible way, Sir. I'll listen to Rush
exclusively, I'll listen to them when I sleep, I'll wake up in the morning
puking up Neil's lyrics. Hell, I'll even move to Toronto if you'd like,
just so I can be considered a "true fan." Does all this seem silly to you?
Of course it does. Why? Because of the foolishness of your argument, quite
simply.
Quality of music is not to be judged on the basis of using one's favorite
band as a paradigm for all others'. When you put a new disc or tape in your
stereo, start with a fresh head. Clean-slate. Of course it's easy for
certain elements of a particular song to remind you of some earlier passage
from another piece of music, but don't believe that just becuase a song
from a band other than Rush doesn't fulfill those same expectations as
you're used to from Rush, that this piece of music, or lyrics, or whatever,
doesn't have merit.
With music comes quite a sensible idea. Different people are moved by
different songs in different ways. Different strokes for different folks.
That's the key. How one is actually affected by a song. You, my friend, can
listen to something by Dream Theater and say it's garbage. Others can
listen to something by Dream Theater and be moved to tears. Simply because
these people, myself included, listen to things other than what you find
appropriate, don't question our "true fanship." When it comes to Rush, the
first thing I heard from them was The Camera Eye when I was around seven
years old, and there's been no turning back ever since. Few pieces of music
affect me the way in which this song does, yet there are others that do,
and ones by other bands that you may find to be "disgraceful" in relation
to Rush. Yet I consider myself to be a "true Rush fan" (whatever that
is/means).
There is only one Rush. No band will ever be like Rush because there is
only one Geddy, one Alex, and one Neil. No band will ever be like Dream
Theater. And so on. You get my drift. It's about what moves you, the
individual. Don't presuppose for others' musical tastes. Music is an
intensely personal experience that has transcendental capabilities, to be
sure. Many people don't have an exclusive "favorite" band. I myself have
favorite bands, namely all the ones I listen to. Different types of music
move people in different ways, whether it be metal or jazz or classical.
Please let US decide for OURSELVES what is outstanding, and in turn don't
assert your supposed musical superiority over people who happen to be just
as knowledgeable as you are, Mr. Turner.
Thanks for staying with this...
Dave Plotkin
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:55:03 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: durnik@goodnet.com
Subject: LONG Mike Bahr post, a lot of stuff covered.
Message-ID: <199610242255.PAA10322@goodguy.goodnet.com>
Hi everyone!! BIG post. Let me see here...
1. My replies to the best issue of the Jam in about six weeks
2. A review: DREGS of the Internet, quite a CD!
3. Scoobaca's breakup and the story involved.
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Boy, I sure wish you'd have told me, I would have sold it to you
for $20 less! :)
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Why not? It's a lot smaller area to work with considering that
most of the Jammers who would want to go are in Britain, France, or
Germany. A little longer drive for the Italian Jammers, and I'm not sure
exactly how all the Scandinavian Jammers will make it. They got that funky
tunnel under the Channel now, so it would probably work really well if it
was somewhere in France. I wonder how big Stephane's house is? :)
> From: Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@vwc.edu>
> Arright, here. Subconscious still stands at $100, and Tragedy/Comedy went
Wow! From what I've seen at shops, this is cheap. I sure hope
someone who needs the disc is wise enough to grab it while they can.
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:17:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: this is cool :)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9610241906.B24433-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
I just called info for the number for Toad's Place in New Haven (by the
way, it's (203) 562-5589), and the info operator said, "What's going on
there? People have been asking for that number all day! What's the
occasion?" So, naturally, I explained a little bit about the band, and
us crazy Ytses, and she said, "Hey, that sounds neat. Here's the number."
Just a little bright spot today that I felt like sharing. :)
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:45:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: tour dates
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.961024194402.11787B-100000@unix21.andrew.cmu.edu>
Anyone have any idea yet which shows
will be 21+ only? And if they're all 21+,
any chance of stalling one of them for 2 weeks? :)
-max
Anton Max
MadMax+@cmu.edu
http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:45:13 -0000
From: "Art Hayes" <arthayes@clover.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New Demos
Message-ID: <23545025517936@clover.net>
Someone asked about the new DT demos that some of us have heard at clinics
lately....I saw Mike in Columbus a couple of months ago and at that time he
had just come back from Australia...during the clinic he played to a demo
called 'Lines In The Sand' - it runs close to 14 minutes, starting with a
heavy synth intro and including all the great syncopations, odd times and
tasteful slower interlude towards the middle. Back then there were no
vocals yet and Mike said that it was actually the first time he had played
that piece for an audience. The second demo he did was 'You or Me' and was
more of a straight ahead metal piece - 4/4 time with vocals but the sound
system and Mikes playing made it almost impossible to distinguished the
words. Honestly I was a little disappointed in that piece simply because
of it's simplicity, almost as if that tune was their 'radio air-play' song
for the MTV crowd.....but I also know that they can't always play the same
stuff on every tune.....
Anyway, hope that helps you out!!!!
Art......
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:31:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Erotomania
Message-ID: <199610250031.RAA10700@acme.csusb.edu>
>>> When I go through Awake, I refer to all of the tracks as songs
>>> except Erotomania, which I term an instrumental due to it's lack of
>>> vocal content.
>>
>>I wonder what the band memebers would have to say about this issue?
>
>I think DT would be fine with that. Call it what you want. Some people
>require lyrics to consider music a song... some do not. That's just a
>categorization... doesn't mean he doesn't dig Erotomania....
I think Erotomania, by the nature of it's listing on the J-card, should be
referred to as the first movement of the *epic* (i think I deserve a
Twinkie for that) entitled "A Mind Beside Itself." Or did everyone forget
that Erotomania, Voices, and The Silent Man were connected in that
fashion?
--QED
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 21:08:25 -0700
From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Con
Message-ID: <32703D39.7600@dreamt.org>
OK, here's the list of people who want to be informed of the possible
con:
hed@northnet.org, bwherry@bu.edu, fish69@juno.com,
long16@matrix.newpaltz.edu, inhuman@albany.net One problem. I try
sending mail to these people and it doesn't deliver because it tries to
comibne the last two addresses to say
long16@matrix.newpaltz.edu.inhuman@albany.net Will someone please tell
me how to send a group mailing from Netscape? Also, If you want to be on
the list to be informed on a possible con, mail me and make sure The
Chane or Poughkeepsie are in the subject.
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Andy Miller:I'm one of the Andy Millers
Me: Hi. I'm DreamNDay
Andy:Damn! You post every day! It's like your job!
October 19, 1996, Albany NY
later--------------Brian
41 DAYS TILL DT HITS UPSTATE NY!!
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 21:50:46 -0400 (AST)
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: You guys must see this
Message-ID: <199610250150.VAA06971@mail.caribe.net>
At 03:45 PM 10/24/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Some foolio wrote this on The National Midnight Star, Rush's internet
>mailing list. Below is my response to him. Hope you enjoy :>)
>
Great answer to a really ignorant person..
We Can Learn From the past..but those days are gone..
We can hope for the future..but there may not be one...
DREAM THEATER: A CHANGE OF SEASONS
WOWOWOWWWWWW hoooo wowoW WOWWwwwwww hoooo -Devin Townsend
Email: Calfaro@Caribe.net
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