YTSEJAM Digest 1963
Today's Topics:
1) NEW SHOWS!!!!!!! PLEASE READ THIS!!!
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
2) DTC
by "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1962
by Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu>
4) Andy Timmons
by tq0139@mail.doshisha.ac.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
5) Re: My last post today (honest)
by tq0139@mail.doshisha.ac.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
6) Re: Kinesis Progressive Label & DREG things
by "Steve Lehfeld" <DREG@hutman.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1962
by Stan <sstys@earthlink.net>
8) Jon Stewart, Poughkeepsie show
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1962
by skooc@earthlink.net
10) Sava - WTCAG - Believe - Alone you Breathe
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
11) Public apology.
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
12) 'tage
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
13) DT's December Shows
by Jeremy Schwartzberg <jeremy@gator.net>
14) twinkies
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1949
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
16) STL JAMMERS ROCK NADZ
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
17) Need advice on bootlegs
by "Art Hayes" <arthayes@clover.net>
18) enough already!
by "Art Hayes" <arthayes@clover.net>
19) what the fuck is wrong with the muzack?
by John W Happe <jared@stlnet.com>
20) the usual... move along
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:58:01 -0700
From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NEW SHOWS!!!!!!! PLEASE READ THIS!!!
Message-ID: <326EE949.24A@dreamt.org>
READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS
READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS
READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS
READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS
OK, now that I have your attention, I wanna talk about something. As you
all know, DT will be playing 5 shows. If you are planning on flying in
from someplace far away, GO TO THE POUGHKEEPSIE SHOW!!!! This is a once
in a lifetime oppurtunity for me to see DT in my backyard (Well, the
closest thing I could get to a backyard in ODDVILLE). Sine I know my way
around the Hudson Valley pretty well, I was thinking about something.
How about I do a con? Then we can all get together before the show and
go to it together, raising all hell in upstate NY? Kinda like the Malibu
thing last year. I'm still kicking myself in the ass for not staying at
that one which is all the more reason for me to do this one. Now LISTEN
CAREFULLY!!!!!! I am not saying I will definately do this, it's just an
idea in my head. Before you start asking I CANNOT PROVIDE LODGING FOR
ANYONE!!!!! My house is barely big enough for me. You would have to stay
at a hotel. The hotel I have in mind for the con is a good 5 or 6 blocks
away from the Chance So it's REAL convinient. I have LOTS of school work
to cathc up on this week, so I probably won't read the jam for a few
days. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED PLEASE SEND ME A PRIVATE E-MAIL!!!!
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Andy Miller:I'm one of the Andy Millers
Me: Hi. I'm DreamNDay
Andy:Damn! You post every day! It's like your job!
October 19, 1996, Albany NY
later--------------Brian
43 DAYS TILL DT HITS UPSTATE NY!!
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:09:35 -0700 (MST)
From: "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu>
To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DTC
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961023180420.20804A-100000@moon.pr.erau.edu>
Hi all!!! 8!
--ONE--
FUCCCKK!
I'm gonna add my complaint to those of several others!
FUCCCKK!
I can't believe DT is playing in Providence on the 13th! I live no more
than 20 minutes from the damn place...WHEN I'M NOT IN ARIZONA AT SCHOOL!!!
Whats worse is I'm graduating on the 14th! Arrrggghh!
This fuckin' sucks!!
--TWO--
Sorry...had to get that out. Anyway, I was at Hastings this afternoon
and noticed the cover of "Guitar Performer" or something like that.
Anyway, the guy on the cover was wearing a DT shirt! Check it out.
--THREE--
For any of those people going to the DT shows in Dec, is there any way I
could arrange for one of you's to pick me up a shirt? I'd be superbly
greateful!!
L8r
+++ PACKERS : 6-1 Shit Yeah!! +++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
DREAM THEATER
So many ways to drown a man...so many ways to drag him down.
Some are fast and some take years and years
TYPE O NEGATIVE
All of the flowers I gave her, she burned them!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++ THE DEVIL'S PLAYTHING ++
++ papined@pr.erau.edu ++
++ David Papineau ++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:21:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1962
Message-ID: <199610240121.SAA14968@acme.csusb.edu>
10-23-96
>From: John W Happe <jared@stlnet.com>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: rush,whos opening?
>Message-ID: <326E9096.19BC@stlnet.com>
>
>This is the new 14 year old kid agian . im going to the rush show in
>st.louis does anyone know whos opening for them?
>
>aaron
NOBODY WILL BE OPENING FOR RUSH ON THIS TOUR!! let's get that straight
everyone... I'm tiring of the discussion of the rush Test For Echo
tour... It's boring.
later,
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:45:33 -0800
From: tq0139@mail.doshisha.ac.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Andy Timmons
Message-ID: <9610240146.AA14539@mail.doshisha.ac.jp>
Greetings!
Well,I liked his guitar play. And love his solo album "Ear X-tasy". The
reason why I send this message is the news that Andy plays with Winger now.
Later
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:45:49 -0800
From: tq0139@mail.doshisha.ac.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: My last post today (honest)
Message-ID: <9610240146.AA14859@mail.doshisha.ac.jp>
At 7:22 PM 96.10.22 -0700, IbnzRG570 wrote:
>Attention!!! Any Japanese Jammers!
Yeah,I'm Japanese.
>
>I am going to try to order a Japanese publication and need some
>advice.
>
>1: Is there any truth to the Japanes Dream Theater songbooks that
>they contain all of the instrument parts (bass, guitar, keys, etc.)?
Sorry. I don't know about that.
>
>2: If so, could you let me know the name of the publishing co.? I
>know someone who may be able to find them for me, and it would be a
>great help to know the name of the Publisher!\.
The publisher is Shinko Music Pub. They have WWW address
or their blach co. Burrn! Corp.
There's no WWW address for Burrn!
So here's their FAX address.
81-3-3292-2744
I found songbook of I&W,LatM,Awake. And aCoS will be out soon,or already
released?
Oh,I should tell you that their latest release is songbook of
Stratovarius' "Episode" album.
Later.
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 21:53:53 +0000
From: "Steve Lehfeld" <DREG@hutman.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Kinesis Progressive Label & DREG things
Message-ID: <1366015318-47441311@hutman.com>
> From: Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
>
> I (Madison Student Radio Rep) was fortunate to listen to a copy of the
> Kinesis label progressive music sampler.
>
>CAUTION: Many of these artists are NOT LIKE Dream Theater in many ways.
I've also heard this compilation. You're right in that it doesn't
sound anything like DT or the like. These Kinesis bands are all basically
HEAVILY influenced by the '70s art-rock bands such as Yes, ELP,
Gentle Giant, etc. None of the bands sticks out as being very original or
innovative. They're all great musicians, but I can only listen to so
much '70s retro-throwback Yes-clones. If you're a fan of this style
of music, you'll want to get this disc. If you like a little more
variety and originality than you'll want to check this out:
"DREGs of the Internet - Volume 1" features 70 minutes and a dozen of
the internet's best independent progressive rock & metal bands.
You've heard rave reviews of some of the bands right here on this
list. It features:
Clockwork, Happenstance, Mirror, Cold Front, 3250, Psychedelic
Lullabies, Facade, Inferno, The Age of Reason, Naked, Natures Call,
and Atlantis.
This compilation contains many different styles of progressive music,
from art-rock (like the Kinesis bands) to prog metal (like Clockwork).
It's received great reviews and comments from those who have heard it
already, so don't be the last on your block.
*** FREE OFFER ***
The band Naked has graciously donated another 25 demo tapes which
will be given away FREE while supplies last. Also, FREE bumper
stickers with every order. Bumper stickers can also be obtained for
free to anyone who sends a SASE to the address below.
To order, simply send $12 (+$2 s/h, $4 for international) to:
DREG Records
"DREGs of the Internet - Volume 1"
1912 Old Stonemill Dr
Cranbury, NJ 08512
or check out our web site for song samples, reviews & other nonsense.
*** Also, we will soon have the Dream Theater Theme for Window 95 at
our web site. ***
Take care everyone,
-steve
DREG Records
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 22:00:35 +0000
From: Stan <sstys@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1962
Message-ID: <326E9583.20E4@earthlink.net>
yeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaa,
dt in birch hill, dt in birch hill, dt in birch hill,
cant wait to go, its gonna be great. new music, something everybody has
been craving. raise the knife and draw a line in the sand cause dt's coming
to birch hill.
-- Stan Tyszka When all else fails, you are a failure------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 21:57:59 -0700 From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jon Stewart, Poughkeepsie show Message-ID: <326EF757.1E64@dreamt.org>
Well, first I am a HUGE fan of Jon Stewart and just found out he hosted Tom Snyder's show last night. If anyone taped this I NEED A COPY DAMMIT!!! The new jam was sent whole hour ago and no one's replied yet! Calm down, breath deep, there. WOOHOO! I'm Counting the days till DT hits the Chance! Tckets go on sale on November 2nd, according to the radio station in Middletown, WRRV.
======================================================================== Andy Miller:I'm one of the Andy Millers Me: Hi. I'm DreamNDay Andy:Damn! You post every day! It's like your job! October 19, 1996, Albany NY later--------------Brian 43 DAYS TILL DT HITS UPSTATE NY!! ========================================================================
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 19:03:01 -0700 (PDT) From: skooc@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1962 Message-ID: <199610240203.TAA29591@iceland.it.earthlink.net>
At 06:30 PM 10/23/96 -0700, you wrote:
>NOBODY WILL BE OPENING FOR RUSH ON THIS TOUR!! let's get that straight >everyone... I'm tiring of the discussion of the rush Test For Echo >tour... It's boring. >
Obviously not too bored or else you woldn't be posting this ;) Next time try emailing him personally.
BTW- I got a ticket for Rush 11/20, does anyone know who the first band is?
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 21:06:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sava - WTCAG - Believe - Alone you Breathe Message-ID: <199610240206.VAA03108@tundra.winternet.com>
> carried a very nice-looking boxed set of "Lost in the Sky", also copies of
Hey , I would pay a damn good price for that boot. I saw it for $55 two years ago, but didn't have the cash with me. I figured I'd e it again but never have.
>Irene Raceu noted people to listen to (Believe)on Savatage's "Streets" > before listening > to "Alone You Breathe" on HOR. I'd start with "When the Crowds are Gone" > on Gutter Ballet.
I guess I never followed it that far back. It is true however true Alone You Breathe includes most of Believe. This is because after Criss's death, Belive took on a different meaning for Jon. He reworked the song to better fit its new meaning. Note that both songs are the last on the album, sort of adding closure to the album.
> The story starts there. I have the impression that Jon > is very seriously pouring out his heart on these. This just might be his
Jon aways pours his heart out in his music. And the more you know him the more powerful it gets. For his life story, is summed up in Streets.
> life story. The ones who listen these three songs in a row, you will notice > that Sava directly quotes themselves in these songs, thus building a > logical and emotional bridge between the songs. Nathan Bradley, do you > agree? You're the Sava expert around here...
I will have to relisten to these in order.
Sorry for the delay in answering. I have been extremely busy working on the TSO WEB site. There is great news in the works which I will announce shortly (this week or next). savaweb@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~savaweb/
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:04:20 +0000 From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Public apology. Message-ID: <199610240227.UAA03512@cyberhighway.net>
> From: elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
> MY FIRST NAME IS ELLIOTT!!! And NOT KIM!!!!! Think about it... Wouldn't I > be K-Man then? > > Gee, can you tell I FUCKING HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE CALL ME KIM!!!!!! :)
Sorry, dude. I dinna mean to do that. I just looked at the header and saw Kim first. Ack. It'll be E-Man from now on, K?
I'm still waiting for my Twinkie! Damn it! :-)
NP: Yanni, Dare to Dream
Chuck Reis a.k.a. "The Other Ibanez" ibanez@cyberhighway.net
"I feel kinda spooky..." -- The Silent Man
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 21:31:47 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: 'tage Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961024023147.006dbf5c@mail.inlink.com>
just picked up Power of the Night for about ten bucks at best buy.... i gotta say this is a really cool disc, some of that afterburn guitar sound reminds me of early van halen :) it's really cool to look at the progression of savatage through everything up to Dead Winter Dead.. and i also have to look out for the Trans Siberian Orchestra and see how that flows. if you dont have any pre-streets 'tage, pick some up, its fun to check out :)
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 22:40:59 -0400 From: Jeremy Schwartzberg <jeremy@gator.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT's December Shows Message-ID: <326ED73B.23A5@gator.net>
I just heard about DT playing 5 shows up in the NE states. Are these the only shows they're going to be doing in the U.S. for their new album? They've got to do more!! I live all the way down in Florida and have my College finals in December! All you guys who live up there SUCK!! AAAAAHHHHH!!!
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 21:41:21 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: twinkies Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961024024121.006cd7d0@mail.inlink.com>
> >I'm still waiting for my Twinkie! Damn it! :-)
http://www.inlink.com/~ripzero/twinkieboy/
get your dose.
:) ~Rip
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 22:48:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1949 Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.961023224520.22907A-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
OK, time for another question from me. I've been taking private guitar lessons for some time now, learning Yngwie, DT, Vinnie Moore, Michael Shanker, ETC. I've also tried taking more for finger-picking and jazz voicings so I can rock the world with diversity. I'm a music major here at Williams and intend to do as much as I can musically when I leave. Problem: Program here isn't too diverse. I either want to transfer, or do some graduate school. Where would some of you musicians suggest? I've heard good and bad things about Berekly. Let me know privately, if you would. Take care and be well. M B
"Three men can keep a secret if two of them are dead." (Ben Franklin)
"The dead are rarely violent." (Shawn Rosenheim, Asst. Prof. Williams College)
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 22:05:36 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: STL JAMMERS ROCK NADZ Message-ID: <199610240312.WAA05413@Walden.MO.NET>
>John W Happe <jared@stlnet.com> >This is the 14 year old kid agian .
<snip>
>RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> <snip>
Come on, Rip, this isn't your alter-ego, now is it? :) Anyway, it's cool to see we now have two 14-year-old St.L. jammers here. Keep it up. Now, if we can just get some cute 20-22 yr-old female St.L. jammers on here, I'll be set ... :)
Dale R. Newberry
"You don't have to go to Hell to know what happens there." -from 10/22/96 Sally Forth (comic strip)
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 23:06:04 -0000 From: "Art Hayes" <arthayes@clover.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Need advice on bootlegs Message-ID: <03152130813342@clover.net>
This DT fan is overwhelmed at the listing of DT bootlegs and would love some advice on which ones are best and most available. I'm not looking for particular tunes or shows but would like to start off with a good sounding recording.....any advice out there? email me please!!!!
Art
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 22:53:58 -0000 From: "Art Hayes" <arthayes@clover.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: enough already! Message-ID: <03151918513341@clover.net>
OK,OK, us stuck here in Ohio (and everywhere else away from the tri-state DT headquarters) would rather not continually hear about how effin' cool the gigs will be and how much effin' fun everyone will have and how effin' small the damn hall is and how the guys will effin' hang out at your houses and cook you dinner! We're all really happy for all you east-coasters who've only seen them a couple hundred times and own every effin' demo and boot from here to saigon.....
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 21:08:43 -0700 From: John W Happe <jared@stlnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: what the fuck is wrong with the muzack? Message-ID: <326EEBCB.66A8@stlnet.com>
hey,
I want to know why there are groups like green day , wich i have more tallent in my pinky finger than the whole band does,can go and sell millions of cds and bands like dt who in my opinion are the best and most tallated band in the history of rock musis are virtuly un heard of. that is what pisses me off the most!!people on majesty are about the only senseable people about music!
from aaron
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 96 20:24:41 PDT From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: the usual... move along Message-ID: <9610240324.AA05021@tengs1>
>I know, because my wife teaches jr high school, that they are actively teaching tolerance and multicultural mutual understanding in schools today. Hopefully that will help end the ingrained types of racism, generalization and stereotype. Sadly morons will always be morons...
Here in Stockton, CA (next to Lodi), my friend goes to a jc and one of his best friends is African (like really from Africa). It's sad. One time, they were in the library and a local black guy sat down and talked to the African dude for half and hour and he *never* once looked at my (very white) friend. The African guy even comments that that kind of behavoir is pathetic. At a Wal-MArt in Lodi once, they were walking around together and a little (white) boy within earshot asked his dad, "Look! A black man walking with a white man." When I went to that school a few years ago, there were only one or two minority "clubs", MeCHA- (Latino) understandable since it is a farming community) and an inclusive Asian club. There are a lot more than that now. The African guy, Ahbrymah (that's how it sounds) joined the African American club and he isn't even A-A'can! He was kind of pressured for a long time into joining
Stockton is one of a few places where minority pops. do not reflect the rest of the country. Everything is a little more equalized (I think I had friends of all backgrounds (I hate the word "race"), but it is becoming more and more dangerous - almost like a prison rivalry in a few instances. In a community this diverse, it is really sad.
>I've also heard a lot of Green Day and Nirvana on KSJO. They NEVER play Kiss, one of the most successful Metal bands of the 70's. I've lost a lot of respect for KSJO, and every show I go to that they're at I make sure they know that. California's only REAL metal station is gone (R.I.P KNAC).
93 Rock still kicks KSJOs ass any day. KSJO fails to play stuff that was popular even three years ago. The only old stuff that gets repeated will be Dio, ACDC, VH. In the past year, they've gone Waaay overboard on the Metallica (and I love Metallica).
>> Goodbye to all my friends! I must take the route of Mojoman and >unsubscribe. > Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir
>These two fucking hipocrits are the same idiots who had this stupid flame fest going on where they would say these nasty things to each other on the Jam and then get together at a bar and have a few drinks and talk about how fucking clever they were.
Ditto.
Zach
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