YTSEJAM Digest 1973
Today's Topics:
1) re: traders! and a DT bootleg 1
by "Kevin Donnelly" <KDonnelly@vines.ColoState.EDU>
2) Metallica tape tree (revised)
by skooc@earthlink.net
3) Ayeeeeee ooooooh I'm still alaahhhhv yeah!
by Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
4) best spot to see DT
by m_washke@acad.lvc.edu
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1971
by Stan <sstys@earthlink.net>
6) New album information. (WWW generated email)
by Casey Glover <glover@dns.thewebcorp.com>
7) Tape trading. (WWW generated email)
by Casey Glover <glover@dns.thewebcorp.com>
8) searching for dr. mosh
by John McCabe <caber1@cris.com>
9) Re: Birch Hill Show
by Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM>
10) Mulcahy's, and other stuff (like Tori)
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
11) Tape Trading Etiquette
by Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
12) discos compactos de vacas
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
13) DT touring Oz? Please??
by nigelb@thehub.com.au (Nigel Bridgeman)
14) Ytsejam Information
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
15) Portnoy's set n stuff.
by tempus@allinux1.alliance.net (Jeremy Hyde)
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 96 13:57:31 MDT
From: "Kevin Donnelly" <KDonnelly@vines.ColoState.EDU>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: traders! and a DT bootleg 1
Message-ID: <vines.0,16+foaQma@vines.ColoState.EDU>
Hi Jammers
I know this sort of thing on the jam is annoying but...
>Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 18:03:09 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Gary M. Gettier" <gmg@mtolympus.ari.net>
>Subject: Looking for this prog and metal stuff
>
>This looks like as a good a place as any. I'm looking for this prog and
>metal stuff. My for sale/trade list is at the end.......
I have made random contacts with such traders and it is a GOOD deal for
me each time (I have VAUXDVIHL and EPICA on the way, wahoo!!).
Maybe we could set aside a day or so or a jam or two and have
a chance to list our trade lists without pissing everyone off. In this
era of an extensive underground progressive fan base linked by computer,
I think that this sort of contact and music exchange is too good to pass
up.
Any better ideas for exchanging this sort of information?? I know the jam
is not a trade list but could it facilitate such activity? Maybe there is a
progressive rock/metal trade list and I do not know about it??
BTW, the tapeswap organized last month by Ed Reed is really great. Thanks goes to
him for making it happen.
Some DTC:
I have a taped copy of a radio-rebroadcast of a DT concert from 22 November 1994
in Denver Colorado. DT played with FATES WARNING in Mammoth Event Center
and the DT set (well most of it - approx 90 mins) was recorded and broadcast
commercial-free about four night later on KBPI here in Denver. I simply taped
it off the radio. It is called "Waking Up The World" and is a prettu good reproduction.
Is this bootleg good for anything (Mike Bahr?) or would dubs of it be of any
interest to jammers? I am pretty naive about bootlegs so no flames please.
Bye
Kevin D.
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 14:55:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Metallica tape tree (revised)
Message-ID: <199610262155.OAA17501@lithuania.it.earthlink.net>
Hey!
I was at a CD store yesterday and they had a boot CD of the second night of
the Metallica Fan Club only show at Slim's in SF from June 10, 1996. Since
we have many Metallica fans on the Jam I thought I'd offer it up for a
possible tape tree. The set was approx. :100 long and has an extra song that
they didn't play the first night. I don't have a DAT deck, but the master is
an audience recording from a DAT and the quality is EXCELLENT! The store I
bought it at lets you listen before you buy, or else I wouldn't have paid
the $50 for it.
What I'd like to do is I would get four or five people to send me tapes with
SASE and I would dub the tapes and send them back to them. Then those people
would make copies for two people. If I get more requests than that then we
would make the tree larger. It all depends on how many requests I get. I
realize this isn't the Metallica list, but there are many Metallica fans
here, and most people on the Ytsejam have been good to me over the last year
and this is a small way of me to show my appreciation.
Here is the setlist:
So What, Creeping Death, Sad But True, Ain't My Bitch, Whiplash, Fade To
Black, King Nothing, One, Until It Sleeps, For Whom The Bell Tolls, Wherever
I May Roam, Nothing Else Matters, Enter Sandman, Last Caress (with Jim
Martin, ex-FNM), Master of Puppets (first Half), Overkill, Motorbreath.
I'm not on the Jam at this time, so PLEASE email me PRIVATELY! I'll give it
a few days and send an update on Monday. When replying, please let me know
if you can be a Limb, Branch, or leaf.
limb = analog copy directly from DAT recorded CD. Make copy for limb
branch = copy of an analog copy, make dubs for leaf
leaf = dub from branch.
Scott
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 15:06:33 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ayeeeeee ooooooh I'm still alaahhhhv yeah!
Message-ID: <199610262206.PAA01019@m5.sprynet.com>
Hello! I haven't died. I swear.
I've been busy with stuff....like, school and SubSpace and things.
:) Don't ever start playing SubSpace. It's not worth it. You'll be addicted.
Anywho.......did everyone watch Millenium last night? Did that show ROCK or
did it ROCK? It has a great storyline.....but the MUSIC! Woo! White
Zombie.....NIN....Tori Amos..raaah! It ruled. Watch it. :) Peace
out....going to play <gak> SubSpace now.
Ben Laussade
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 15:21:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: m_washke@acad.lvc.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: best spot to see DT
Message-ID: <199610262221.PAA01867@pawn.ax.com>
Michael Kizer,
You wrote in the last jam wanting to know the best place to see DT.
I went to see them at the Birch Hill last year and I felt it was an amazing
show. A friend that went with me saw them the night before and said they
were better in the Birch Hill. When I talked to Portnoy at Derek's party he
even said he like the Birch Hill the best of all the Christmas shows. Just
be ready to get squashed in the crowd wherever you go. I'm going to the
Birch Hill this year again. Well, it is the closest to me too. Any
questions? e-mail me.
Mike Washkevich
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 19:10:11 +0000
From: Stan <sstys@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1971
Message-ID: <32726213.6FC7@earthlink.net>
>
> Geez! I'm going to see Rush on the 6th (7th row, center, BTW), and will
> probably not be allowed to go to to shows in a row, considering they're
> both "school nights" (Wednesday and Thursday). Stupid parents... Dammo
> - how green is that valley, Hyffyth?
>
dont know what your calander looks like but the 6th is a friday, and the 7
is a saturday. looks like you will be going!!!!!!!!hahahahaha
-- Stan Tyszka When all else fails, you are a failure------------------------------
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 19:18:45 -0400 From: Casey Glover <glover@dns.thewebcorp.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New album information. (WWW generated email) Message-ID: <199610262318.TAA08770@nermal.catt.ncsu.edu>
Hello,
I am new to the mailing list and this is my first post. Can anybody give me some information on the new album? I have seen what is said to be a songlist on the Lifting Shadows website, but does anybody know what the album will be titled or know of any working titles? I underestand that the song "Metropolis pt. II" has been taken off of the album. Will it be released at all? Has anybody heard this song? I heard that it has been recorded as a demo and that's all. I have heard that some songs that will appear on the new album (such as "Raise The Knife") have been played live and are on some bootlegs. Has anybody heard this? If so, how does it sound? Derek Sherinian said that his style of playing the keyboard is more American, while Kevin Moore's style has a more European feel to it. This American style did not show up on "A Change Of Seasons" because he had no part in writing the song. I only heard a touch of this in the so-called "Awake Heavy Jam" played at the 1/24/95 show at the Urwawa Bunka Center in Saitama, Japan (and probably other shows as well). What this means is that the new album will contain less strings and more synthesiezer effects. Derek Sherinian is used to playing this way because of other bands he has toured with I assume. I heard that the album is going to be a mix between its two predecessors, Images And Words and Awake. This is often what a band will do with a third album or a forth in this case.
I have kind of gotten carried away on another subject, but the main purpose of this post is for me to find out more information on the Dream Theater album. Also, is there any information about the release date or a tour?
I appreciate any replies. Thank you.
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 19:34:33 -0400 From: Casey Glover <glover@dns.thewebcorp.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Tape trading. (WWW generated email) Message-ID: <199610262334.TAA08925@nermal.catt.ncsu.edu>
Hello,
I am looking for a copy of the shows performed during the end of the Awake tour (12/29, 12/30). I think that one of these shows was played at Old Bridge, NJ. I know that both of them contain "A Change Of Seasons" and possibly "Scarred". Does anyone have a copy of one of these shows that they would like to trade. I would only want really good sound quality. If you like Metallica or Megadeth. I have some very good shows to offer. Please reply, if you can help at all. Thank you.
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 19:35:56 -0400 (EDT) From: John McCabe <caber1@cris.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: searching for dr. mosh Message-ID: <199610262335.TAA13179@cliff.cris.com>
sorry to do this but if Dr. Mosh could contact me or if anyone has his email address please give it to me. thanks john
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Date: 26 Oct 96 19:39:35 EDT From: Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Birch Hill Show Message-ID: <961026233935_101352.3261_JHP74-1@CompuServe.COM>
Okay, I have just received confirmation on the Birch Hil show. It WILL go ahead as originally planned on the 14th, and NOT the possible revised date of the 7th. The band will just go on stage later that night than originally planned for this show, so that anyone going to see Rush that evening can get along as well.
Cheers,
Neil Elliott Director - DTIFC
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 19:49:23 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Mulcahy's, and other stuff (like Tori) Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9610261921.H12393-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com> > Subject: Mulcahy's > > A few observations: > > 1- This place has less floor space than Birch Hill. It's mainly a sports > bar, so they leave a sports game on the monitors (which are all over) during > the band's performance. Not really that annoying if it's an important > game :) The place is pretty big, but the bar areas take up about 75% of > the club.
I wouldn't worry terribly much if they're selling tickets to the DT show, but if the regular Thursday crowd can get in by paying admission at the door, get there early and dress to sweat.
> 3- They have tons of security. I'm not sure if this is always the case > since Marshall Tucker was playing and maybe they were expecting a rowdy > crowd. I did notice that most of the place was drunk even before the > opening band went on.
They *ALWAYS* have tons of security, even when local cover bands are playing. Huge guys (the term brick shithouse comes to mind) with headset radios, ready to kick ass on anyone that sneezes funny.
----
In other news, I recently picked up a CD called "VH-1 Crossroads." Pretty cool stuff, from the likes of Blues Traveler, k.d. lang, Del Amitri, etc. But the big deal is that there's a recording of Tori playing Springsteen's "I'm On Fire", and a Quicktime Movie too! It's pretty cool. I'm no huge Tori fan, but I liked it. Get this disc if you like Tori. Also, a lot of the tracks on here are unreleased live stuff that sounds pretty cool.
That's it for now. Oh, yeah, Richie and I got our tickets for the Chance, so see you all there!
-d
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 96 17:02:52 -0000 From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tape Trading Etiquette Message-ID: <199610262359.QAA02855@pawn.ax.com>
Mark wrote the following in Ytsejam #1970:
>Hi all! Friendly question here...does anyone know of a place on the web >that has a list of "Do's" and "Don'ts" when swapping tapes with someone? >A few months ago I had the privilege of trading with a wonderful 'jammer >from Finland. I was unaware of details like "Don't Write On The >J-Sleeve" and "Save Postage - Don't Mail Tape Cases." :) I know this >now, but I also know that everyone doesn't have the same trading >protocol (I don't think).
I'd say, when in doubt, ask. For example, I wouldn't be irritated if someone wrote on the sleeve, but I'd certainly want those cases to be enclosed! I don't tend to mention that to other people, though, because I've sort of assumed that that's a standard thing. However, if someone *didn't* want the cases (or whatever), I'd sure hope s/he would communicate that with me beforehand.
>Another question about trading etiquette...Is it appropriate behavior, if >someone is sending you 5 or 6 tapes and you're only sending blanks, to >wait for the other person's package to arrive before you ship? I don't >know. If there is a page somewhere with trading rules, I would >appreciate it if someone would post it so people (myself included) could >check it out and maybe learn something.
If I'm the one doing the dubs, I wait for the blanks to arrive. That way, if someone wants the dub on a particular type of cassette, then it goes right onto the cassette they've selected and shipped.
Oh, and since I'm sending mail anyway, you can add me into the camp that's weary of this whole racism discussion going on! :(
Jen
o.-.o For millions of years mankind lived just like animals. ((^)) Then something happened which unleashed the power of our O) _ (O imagination...we learned to talk. (Steven Hawking) O/ \O
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 20:43:24 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: discos compactos de vacas Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961027014324.006bfc14@mail.inlink.com>
> Hold down one nostril and blow snot >out the other, pick his ear with a key sort of guy.
sounds like an overly charming individual.
SNOT ROCKETS!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
anyways i just bagged me a few cds in the mail yesterday, for one Sepultura's Roots... this is an extremely good disc, its like just imagine putting Korn, old sepultura, and a dash of nine inch nails in a blender and this is what you get.
also picked up Rush's Farewell to kings :) self explanitory :)
third- DT's No Sleep Since Brooklyn/Instrumental III. i dig this. even tho chris's voice scared the shit out of my friend several times :) also, who the hell is that screaming on "7 mini guitar pieces" ?! i also really liked the charles manson picture on the actual cd, yeah that really fit well :) and who drew the cover? i just wanna know, who's that dude in the middle with the romance novel look on his face?! was that chris? i've never seen him, so i have no idear what he looks like. i'm just glad they got charlie dominici after him for the first cd. :)
also ordered Tori's L.E. but it didnt come :(((((( i have to re-order it. poo. ~Rip
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 13:50:38 +1000 From: nigelb@thehub.com.au (Nigel Bridgeman) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT touring Oz? Please?? Message-ID: <199610270350.NAA27970@smople.thehub.com.au>
Hiyis
Is there any chance (however slight) that DT might come down to Australia for the next tour?
Seeing as Mike was here for some drum clinics, at least one of them know that we exist, so does anyone know if there's even the slightest possibility they might stop by?
Knowing my luck, they *will* come, but only go to Sydney and Melbourne, just like Iron Maiden did the last time they were here... completely ignoring Brisbane, thus not allowing me the chance to see Bruce live with the band...
Oh well...
Nigel
Spiff on IRC
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 00:00:03 -0400 From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ytsejam Information Message-ID: <199610270400.AAA07744@wicked.stigmata.org>
(IF THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU ARE SEEING THIS POST, PLEASE READ IT THROUGH COMPLETELY, THERE IS ALOT OF IMPORTANT INFORMATION)
Hey All ....
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 96 13:17 EDT From: tempus@allinux1.alliance.net (Jeremy Hyde) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Portnoy's set n stuff. Message-ID: <m0vHCMX-000YGvC@alliance.net>
I haven't posted in a while. I felt the urge. Here goes.
> 5) Portnoy's Kit > by Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu> >On the last jam some guy wrote this, but I was too lazy to scroll back and >catch his name: > >>My drummer says that in the latest Modern Drummer mag, Mike Portnoy >>is shown or said or whatever to be playing StarClassics now. (which >>is made by Tama, his old endorsement). The FAQ still says Mapez. I >>just thought I'd bring this up. Is he shittin' me, am I right or is >>he just showing off for Tama and still playing Mapex? > >Dude, your drummer is kinda right, but kinda wrong. You see, Tama makes >Mapex.... They're TAMA's top of the line, and StarClassics are the top of >the line Mapexes, so he's been a TAMA guy all along... And he uses killer >Sabian AX series cymbals... some guys have all the luck... and bucks for >that matter...
Ok, here's all of the correct info on StarClassics, Tama, and Mapex.
Tama is owned by Hoshino (they own Ibanez as well). Mapex is now owned by Washburn (they also own SoundTech, and of course, Washburn Guitars). Mapex used to be owned by Gibson, and if you know a lot about drum companies that Gibson owned in the past (they used to own Pearl, and now own Slingerland) you'd know that they don't keep them long. Where does StarClassics fit in? Hoshino owns them. They now own 2 drum companies. What I heard that they did, was get the very best drum makers (I know stringed instrument makers are called Luthiers, but what are drum makers called?) and proceeded to create StarClassics. They're distributed through Tama. So, Tama, StarClassics, and Ibanez are sister companies. Mapex has NOTHING to do with Tama or SC. Looks like 2/5 of DT have endorsements from Hoshino companies... Now if Hoshino would only buy Tung, Korg, and whatever brand of mics that LaBrie uses...well, that would totally rok nadz. ;)
I'm sorry if sounded like a smartass. I'm really surprised I know all this, because I don't play drums, I play bass. Maybe it's a rhythm section thing. :)
>From: skooc@earthlink.net >Subject: Happy Day!
Oh, damn, I'm so interested in this post.
>> Goodbye to all my friends! I must take the route of Mojoman and >>unsubscribe. >> Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir > >These two fucking hipocrits are the same idiots who had this stupid flame >fest going on where they would say these nasty things to each other on the >Jam and then get together at a bar and have a few drinks and talk about how >fucking clever they were. In the mean time we had to read this shit jam >after jam, for what seemed like an eternity. If anyone knows Frank or John >Cahill, tell them I said good fucking riddance!
Well, I'd like to get rid of another hypocrite that I know of off this list...I won't name any names...I'll give you a few clues.
1. This person proceeded to piss everyone on #ytsejam off big time by being a total jerk (no, not Jimmy or Sledge).
2. This person, in fear of this getting to the list, lurked for a month or two.
3. This person can't spell hypocrite right.
4. This person came back to the list, and attempted to start a few more flame wars. (how's that for a hypocrite?)
5. I wish that this person would go back to lurking and stop flooding the jam with his repeated barrage of flames.
6. If I met this person I'd say (in the words of one of the Andy Millers') "Stick your thumb up your ass and cluck like a chicken, you SUCKHOLE!!!" :)
Hmmm, what else should I mention? Oh yeah, saw Rush on the 23rd at the new Van Andel Arena in Grand Rapids (Michigan). Fookin' amazing. Comments on the show? Well, the mixing was a little off at the beginning of Dreamline and Leave That Thing Alone. 2112 well, was 2112 (in other words, amazing). Neil's drum solo seemed to be more entertaining than on the Counterparts tour. On YYZ, Neil threw up his stick, and well, I hate to tell you guys this, but he dropped it. I felt so bad for him, considering that I heard a few "Boo"s in my section. I don't blame it on Neil at all. What actually happened was that his stick hit a cymbal that wasn't there on his previous sets. He was so used to throwing it that way, well, he just threw it that way on instinct. But, hey, we're all entitled to mistakes. IMO, Geddy stole the show, his bass was WAAAAY up front.
Oh, for some more DTC, I saw 2 guys there with DT Awake shirts. I'd like to hear from someone who wore a DT Awake shirt to the Oct 23rd Rush show at the Van Andel Arena. I was too much of a wuss to go up and say something to either dude. :)
Well, enough of my ramblings for one post.
Umm, damn, no sig.
Jeremy Hyde aka Tempus
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