YTSEJAM Digest 1976
Today's Topics:
1) What is DTC?, Tori stuff, and new shows
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
2) Gretchen lost?
by Matthew Sirois <ms014e@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
3) Re: Tour Dates!!!
by Jeff Hochberg <inhuman@albany.net>
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by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
5) Kevin Moore's solo CD?
by Ann M Sutton <asutton2@Bayou.UH.EDU>
6) Re: Tori
by Scott Holthausen <smh@ldg.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1975
by tbaddley@airmail.net (Tom Baddley)
8) Re: Wake Up! boot
by Edward Polzin <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
9) Tour Dates...should I worry?
by BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
10) good Lord...
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
11) please help! do me a favor
by "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
12) Random Meanderings
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
13) moreeeee tage
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
14) Non DT Question
by "Art Hayes" <arthayes@clover.net>
15) Jordan Rudess
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
16) COPIES OF DT BOOTS (HELP PLEASE)
by Hector Crisantes <snyfarms@gateway.dakotacom.net>
17) DT info
by "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 13:06:39 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: What is DTC?, Tori stuff, and new shows
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9610281357.G27821-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Jeff Stewart <stewaj01@condor.stcloud.msus.edu>
> Subject: Fellow Jammers.
>
> Hi there,
> If any of you are going to the Oct. 29 Rush concert or the Nov. 2
> G3 concert in Minneapolis, please email me. I will be at both of these
> shows and would like to meet some fellow jammers. Thanks and sorry for
> the non-DT content.
Don't be sorry. This *is* DTC. We are people that share common
interests, and I think it's great every time I get to meet a fellow
Jammer. As far as I'm concerned, anyone that thinks they're going
somewhere where other jammers will be, let us know!
----> From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> > Subject: Tori VH1 Crossroads > > merlo wrote: > >In other news, I recently picked up a CD called "VH-1 Crossroads." > > Was this a boot cd? I taped this show when it was on VH1 awhile back. She > does like 4 songs on it. Like 3 covers including I'm on Fire and over the > rainbow. Pretty good...
No, this is a real CD from Atlantic. Ought to be available in stores.
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> From: Josh Sager <jsager@cygnus.rsabbs.com> > Subject: Tour Dates!!! > > I just got off the phone with management, and here are the dates that the > tickets go on sale: > > Show On Sale > ---- ------- > Dec 4th Nov 2nd > Dec 5th Nov 1st > Dec 6th Nov 18th > Dec 13th Dec 2nd > Dec 14th Nov 30th
Josh, can you check these dates? Some of us already have our tickets for Dec. 4th, and today is only October 28th.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 13:11:08 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Sirois <ms014e@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Gretchen lost? Message-ID: <199610281811.NAA21085@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
does anyone know what's up with the King's X mailing list? i've tried subscribing several times but no luck...
thanks...
in the cd player: tool - aenima; brian eno - nerve net; galactic cowboys - feel the rage; jane's addiction - nothing's shocking; bach - brandenburg concertos 4,5,6....
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 13:14:04 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Hochberg <inhuman@albany.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Tour Dates!!! Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.961028130253.15738C-100000@magik.albany.net>
> Show On Sale > ---- ------- > Dec 4th Nov 2nd I beg to differ... I picked up my tix for The Chance this past Saturday, October 26th. Ticketbastard is selling 'em NOW, my friends! Hurry! Don't delay!
Inhuman
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 13:55:56 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <199610281855.NAA11489@beasley.cris.com>
>> Hi , I just got the Wake Up boot CD from the Japanese pay-per-view >>and noticed that in many songs James goes off key and his voice seems kind >>of harsh. From other live recordings I have heard , I know he doesn't >>usually sing that way , so I was wondering if anybody knew why that >>particular night he sang so way off? Anyways it just mere curiosity. > >Yes. i noticed that to..especially during Another Day and Metropolis.. i >think it was maybe a late show in the tour..and the voice gets tired....
I was under the impression that JLB was illin' that day, like he had a cold or some other ailment, and was rather bitter about the fact that he had no choice but to go on, since it was a PPV show and all. To me, however, his voice sounds relatively better than on most other boots I've heard. Touring really seems to get the better of him. Of course, my high opinion of him remains fixed, regardless of seemingly incrminating boots. James rules!
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>>third- DT's No Sleep Since Brooklyn/Instrumental III. i dig this. even >>tho chris's voice scared the shit out of my friend several times :) also, >>who the hell is that screaming on "7 mini guitar pieces" ?! i also really >>liked the charles manson picture on the actual cd, yeah that really fit well >>:) and who drew the cover? > > CM? I thought that was a picture of Mike Portnoy. I guess > I'll have to take a closer look.
Manson? I thought it was Mr. Pork-In-My-Toe as well. Also, I do believe the "romance novel looking guy" in the drawring is Chris Collins. There's a picture on the back of the Majesty Demos disc of the band looking all sorts of 80's metal-teen-ish, and Chris has on a L'Amour Rocks t-shirt. I get a kick out of MP's Queensryche t-shirt. Reminds me of my old Rage For Order shirt I picked up when Ryche opened for Ozzy. Oh, the good ole days........
-Rick
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \****************** Richard S. Audet ******************/ /*************** ytse@cris.com ****************\ \**** Graduate Student in Electrical Engineering ****/ /********* University of Florida *********\ \***** B.S.E.E. & B.Music MUE University of Miami, 1995 ****/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 13:10:46 -0600 (CST) From: Ann M Sutton <asutton2@Bayou.UH.EDU> To: Ytsejam posting address <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Kevin Moore's solo CD? Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.93.961028130922.8150B-100000@Bayou.UH.EDU>
I heard Kevin Moore went solo from DT. I assume this means he'll be putting out a CD sometime? Does anyone know when this will be released? Thanks. ~NetGirl~ (Ann)
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 96 19:10:58 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Holthausen <smh@ldg.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Tori Message-ID: <199610281921.LAA05012@pawn.ax.com>
At 09:42 AM 10/28/96, the world held its breath for Rip(pington) to write:
>speaking of tori, i just picked up a tori boot from the Little Earthquakes >tour, which i also happen to be listening to :) Very very cool to hear in >concert, just her and a piano and all that... simply amazing really. If you >like tori's studio stuff gotta pick up a boot or something along the way to >show her raw live ability.. or go see her live... if only she'd come to stl. :) > > ~Rip
A lot of us Jammers consider Tori a goddess (including myself), however, anyone else out there into Ani DiFranco? Not that the two are similar, but they are kind of on the same wavelength. Gotta give Ani's new release "Dialate" a thumbs up.
Sorry so off topic, just randomly curious.
Also, did someone mention anything about DT coming to the Carolina's?
-smh
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 19:26:41 GMT From: tbaddley@airmail.net (Tom Baddley) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1975 Message-ID: <32750179.88019862@mail.airmail.net>
First of all, I have to say to all of you who are going to get to see any of the East Coast shows this December....YOU SUCK!! :)
No, actually...it's actually a great idea to play a few shows with their new material to work out the kinks. That means that by the time they drag their asses to the mountains of Colorado, they should be really cooking! Now, I know that some kind soul is going to be taping the show...so maybe I can get a copy of one (or more) of the shows. It's a shame that Brian Cox had such problems last time with his tape tree....last year's Birch Hill concert boot was excellent (thanks Brian!).
Mike Portnoy finally made it to the Denver area last night to put on one of his drum clinics. My first thoughts as I walked into the Arvada Center was "where the hell did all of these people come from?!!" The place was packed full of people...from metalheads, to high school percussion groups, to parents with their kids...what fantastic diversity!
I know that most of you have already read the rundown on the Portnoy drum clinics...but here's a brief synopsis of what transpired:
Mike played 3 new DT songs!!! Playing along with a DAT, he started with "Room to Breathe" (was that the title?). Incredible song that clocked in at around 10 minutes. From there, he discussed some of his techniques and started explaining his Numbers method for percussion arrangements. Later, he played "Raise the Knife", also excellent. You couldn't make out KJL's vocals very well over Mike's massive kit, but they do sound more controlled, yet still has the edge on it like on Awake. Mike then started breaking down the middle section of Metropolis and explaining how he came up with the different parts. After some questions, and more examples from "Take the Time" , "6:00", and "The Ytsejam", he played the last new song called "Peruvian Skies". What a song!! He introduced it as the mellowest and hardest of the new DT songs on the new LP. He was right. Relatively straight forward and mellow at the beginning, swelling up to a killer crunch groove towards the end. He took a few more questions, and then played "Erotomania" along with the DAT, then snuck out to towel off. After Drum City, the local sponsor came up to raffle off some t-shirts, hats, jacket, and cymbal (the owner said that this was the largest attendance he's ever had for a drum clinic. They sold over 350 tickets before the day of the show...and it looks like everyone showed up!), Mike came out and patiently took time to handle a HUGE line of fans wanting autographs.
At this point, I shagged out to the car, completely pumped up from the past 2 hours. Mike is doing everyone; drummers and non-drummers alike a great service with these clinics. I can't think of a better way that a musician could spend his time away from their band. This clinic was truely awe inspiring. Imagine all of the musicians who are and will be influenced by Mike simply because he took the time to share tips and techniques with everyone.
BTW...I was the only person with a ytsejam shirt on....were none of you there last night? Or did you just not want to be "that guy"! :)
Mike also mentioned Metropolis Pt. II as making Pt. I look like a trip to Disneyland. He also mentioned the double CD thing again, as if they still hadn't completely ruled it out. They definitely have enough music for it. However, he mentioned next SUMMER before the CD will be released! You guys better polish up your DAT's for these December shows...I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL SUMMER!!
Chompin' at the bit for new grooves....
Tom Baddley
"Well, I do have a third arm...but I'm not using it on that section." Mike Portnoy in response to a fan's question.
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 13:53:31 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Polzin <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Wake Up! boot Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.961028135255.11766B-100000@eehpx7.cen.uiuc.edu>
Actually. I think the real reason is becuase he had a cold for most of the Japan tour. Just something i heard.
Ed
Chat with: talk polzin@isr1165.urh.uiuc.edu WWW: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/ BOOTLEGS: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/boots/boots.htm ------------------------------------------------------------ - Duct Tape is like The Force: It has a Dark Side, it - - has a light side, and it holds the Universe together. - ------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 14:56:52 -0700 (MST) From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tour Dates...should I worry? Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.961028145526.2348C-100000@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Uh, I charged my tickets to New Haven last Friday and Paughkeepsie on Saturday, and got confirmation numbers for both....should I worry about somebody scamming me? -Adam
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 14:58:59 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: good Lord... Message-ID: <199610282159.OAA19716@goodguy.goodnet.com>
Hi everyone!! not quite as big a post... length rejected.
1. There is no number 1. 2. A review: DREGS of the Internet, quite a CD! 3. Scoobaca's breakup and the story involved.
2. the Dregs review. So I open my mail packet and see this DREGS of the Internet disc staring back up at me. Interesting. The packaging is fairly cool, and the songs are conveniently listed with artist on the back for my reviewing convenience. I pop the disc in and jot about a two-sentence note on each song as I go.
First off, the sound quality is, as one might think, superb. It's kind of a no-brainer in this case: these are all studio recordings and none of them are lacking for clarity or power. I could easily have bought this disc from a regular store.
Clockwork's "Reflections" is OK, the sound is very "old-prog" ish. The singer reminds me of Charlie Dominici, the band possibly of Savatage, but not quite. I'll give this track a B-, since it's not too compelling.
Happenstance's "Seeing Is Believing" is a nice step up, and a worthy song. This is almost DT-ish, the sound is more like Sav or Fates but more positive, more driving. I like it. A-.
Mirror's "Foolish Shadows" could have been better. The singer is really going nuts on the vibrato, and some of the changes aren't really necessary. This is the first song on the disc where the guitarist does not sound tight with the bassist and drummer. it's STILL decent, just not as good as what I've heard so far. C-.
Cold Front's "Seasons Forgive" is actually pretty good. The band has a really solid, tight, thick sound, which I like. The riffs are decently thought out, and I can apprecaite the vocals. B.
3250's "Fear Itself" was a smack in the ass... this band sucks. In my humble opinion. Sorry guys, it's just not happening. But maybe it's very exciting for other prog fans... just not me. Just doesn't work with me at all. Far too harsh and not nearly smooth and tight enough. D-.
Psychedelic Lullabies "Bad Communication" is an interesting song, for certain. The drummer and bassist keep doing these neat fills throughout that don't do a lot to help the song flow, but really sound neat, almost like a Primus improv. The band sound is more like Sav though. The singer sounds a great deal like Syrinx did at the Con. Not bad. B.
Facade's "Light Years" is cool to hear in style, structure, and execution. I like this one. Nice harmony vocals, sort of a low but rich vocal style. Rhythm is tight and the guitarist takes heavily after mr. Alex Lifeson. The time changes in this one are well-timed and well-incorporated. Overall, Facade succeeds with this tune. A.
Inferno's "The Second Hand" is hands-down the best tune on this disc. The harmony vocals are top-notch and the guitar work is impressive, but mainly this band sounds SO TIGHT and SO disciplined that the song itself really cooks, I think this one goes onto my next truck tape. The drum work is outstanding, I'm happy with the bassline, and being a big King's X and Galactic Cowboys fan, you can imagine what I think of the singing. A+.
The Age of Reason's "What You Will" is a nice lengthy effort that maybe misses the mark just by a nudge. I just couldn't grab ahold of this one and it sure the hell didn't grab me, though it did NOT suck. The musical execution is without complaint, so I have to blame songwriting and structuring as the flaws here. C+.
Naked's "Idols" is a song that I am still working on. It's tight and it plays out well, and it's not really all that long. However, it's... interesting. It lacks a solid hook, so I'm just getting used to the subtlety of the structure. Until then, I have to give it an average grade, boosted by the keen "Naked" bumpersticker that came in the packet. Hey, who says bribery doesn't work! :) B-.
Nature's Call's "The Running Man" is subdued yet compelling. Fantastic rhythm work on this one, and the bass line is very nice. Singing could improve some, but nothing's perfect. Keyboard work gets the nod here, I'm happy with the atmospheric sounds being used here. Vocal harmonies are a plus when they're used. Finally, this band chose about the coolest band name I've heard in months. A-.
Finally, Atlantis gives us "Spiral Into Nine", a nine-minute exercise I'm still listening to for more. I can say that it doesn't suck, because if it did, I'd just not bother with it any more. But I can't say what I'll finally think of it. Probably worth some listens. Grade I (incomplete).
Overall, would I purchase this disc if I had to do it all over again, knowing what it contained? I'd say yes. This one's worth your time if you dig the style that I think most of us dig here on the Jam. I'll be saving this post to use on newsgroups if people ask about the disc, I think. Check it out, the address is way up higher in this post, but it can be ordered directly I think.
3. Finally! The word on the Scoobaca breakup.
Yes, unfortunately, I'm without a band... just as we were set to do some shows and demos.
On the fortunate side, Johan, Taz, and I all remain the best of friends (we were the real core of the band, since we were still working with session singers at the time) because none of this had anything to do with personalities or any of that BS. No drugs either, and no musical differences, since there were no real conflicts till now.
Each member was just beset by a challenge that they couldn't surmount and still keep the band going.
Taz's car died completely, and he had to pay his entire monthly meal ticket into it to get it going again... and had no money left over to even EAT. He had to sell his drum kit and the PA speakers to get by.
Johan had a heartbreak of some sort, and we decided not to delve any more deeply into it, but the result of it has him moving to Washington state to work at a hospital there (he's in the medical field full-time) and to bug Bafu if he can find him.
As for me, my fiance Melissa got sued for bad debt all over the place, and all of a sudden I found myself about $7000 poorer than I was before. Since I owned the band's soundboard and amps, and processors, and all that shit, I have to sell it all plus my bass amp and (God I hope not) even my bass. Don't any of you Jammers worry about me financially... my parents and Melissa's are helping her get through this, and my CD business will rage on as strong as ever. On top of that, her car died and I had to buy a used Saturn to keep us both working. Argh, the pressure. :) There was neither the time nor the money for band at that point.
So while we may re-form again and we will always remember the adventures of Scoobaca in a positive way, we have to call it a night for now. Onward, and with better luck we hope, we face whatever comes next.
Take it easy everyone!
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - Scoobaca has fallen.
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 16:23:08 -0600 (CST) From: "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@academ01.mty.itesm.mx> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: please help! do me a favor Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961028161838.23915B-100000@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
I have a Friend studing in Canada...I know Dream Theater thanks to him... and he is one of my best friends, his name is Roland Rupp (Im using his account, thats why his name is on the mail) Soon it will be his birthday...in november 15 so maybe you could send him a postcard or something saying happy birthday and saying that you love Dream THeater... if you want to do this please send it to: Roland Rupp 1660 Milan St. Hubert Quebec J3Z 1B6 Canada
thanks a lot!
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 17:14:45 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Random Meanderings Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.961028170938.12430A-100000@enteract.com>
Hey all!
Friday I get to go to the G3... and it gets better... I may have scored backstage passes for the show! My friend definately got a pair, and he's looking into getting me some too! But WAIT! That's not all! :) I also already have my tickets to the Jason Becker Benefit... I'll be seeing Van Halen with Gary singing, among other totally new performances.
I have not decided whether or not I'm going to the Mercyful Fate show on Monday Nov.4... because I hear John McGlaughlin, Al DiMeola, and Paco DeLucia may be coming to town as well, to play Orchestra hall. I can't be going to concerts every night... my girlfriend would kill me! :)
Hasta la goober.
-------------------------------------- Christopher Ptacek at Enteract, L.L.C. Technical Support Engineer -------------------------------------------------------------------------- T h o u g l e e k i n g o n i o n e y e d d e a t h t o k e n
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 17:40:23 -0600 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: moreeeee tage Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961028234023.006f3464@mail.inlink.com>
ok, since i've recently been bogarting savatage cds and filling up the collection, i only have three more to go (fight for the rock, dungeons are calling, and sirens) i know that both dungeons are sirens were re-released in 94 i think with two more tracks on each disc. can anyone help me out on which tracks are the new ones and how to tell if its the re-release or not? i assume i could check the date on the back, but just to make sure. also, which one should i snag first? :) =20
beware of the chickens.......... =20 =A1=A1oow ~Rip
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:41:30 -0500 From: "Art Hayes" <arthayes@clover.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Non DT Question Message-ID: <00174488336373@clover.net>
Could someone tell me how to insert an address into my posts so it becomes a link?
Thanx!! Art..........
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 20:45:40 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jordan Rudess Message-ID: <327561C4.1F8A@caribe.net>
Hello,i have been checking out Jordan Rudess' page ,at first just out of curiosity..but it is a very cool page..if you have ShockWave you can hear samples of his music..which is very cool....if you wanna check it out just follow the hyperlink on the http://www.dreamt.org page.. heeh
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 18:43:25 -0800 From: Hector Crisantes <snyfarms@gateway.dakotacom.net> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: COPIES OF DT BOOTS (HELP PLEASE) Message-ID: <32756F4C.4348@pop.dakotacom.net>
HEY JAMMERS, It's me again, I know it has been a while since I last posted, sorry. I was wondering if you guys/gals could lend me a hand. You see, I have been very busy and I haven't had a chance to order any new DT bootlegs, so I was wondering if any of you would like to trade copies of any DT bootleg, either on video or on tape. I own two bootlegs; "WAKE UP" recorded live in Japan off the Awake tour, and "A Kick In To A Dream" recorded live in NY also off the Awake tour, both of these are on CD. I am willing to either trade a cassete copy of any one of my bootlegs for a copy of a different bootleg, or buy a cassete copy of a bootleg. If you are willing to trade or sell me a copy, please e-mail me privately. Thanks for your attention.
SINCERELY,
Hector Crisantes AKA: DTfreak
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 19:06:54 -0700 From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT info Message-ID: <m0vI3bx-000Ta4C@mis01.micron.net>
Ok I'll post this One More Time (QR content)
Anyone who wants to know what the favorite album/song/band/underwear among progheads is, surf the web! there are tons of sights that have polls you can fill out and see the results of regarding fave songs etc. Unfortunately I don't know the URL of any, but just look around they're everywhere.
B.O. : Stu > Geddy
Craig Wuthrich
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