YTSEJAM Digest 1797
Today's Topics:
1) DT and jazz influences...
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ECKMAN.METR.ou.edu>
2) Re: MP's Top Five, Mellica
by Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
3) Autoreply Message
by svjohnson@amoco.com
4) He he he he.......I'm back!
by DreamNDay@aol.com
5) new TIME FOR NEW DT SONGS
by richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James)
6) Shadow Gallery
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1795
by Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
8) Another view of Shadow Gallery
by FMTG05A@prodigy.com (MR ANTHONY L SCIAMANNA SR)
9) Re:Re: RUSH bashing
by skooc@earthlink.net
10) Re: He he he he.......I'm back!
by skooc@earthlink.net
11) But!
by kurt@fgallery.com
12) Berklee
by kurt@fgallery.com
13) Re: Shadow Gallery
by skooc@earthlink.net
14) whoa
by kurt@fgallery.com
15) whoa
by kurt@fgallery.com
16) Re: whoa
by skooc@earthlink.net
17) Re: Shadow Gallery
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
18) Paid YtseCon III Tickets
by Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
19) Re: English ramblings
by blane@nla.gov.au
20) A Return to the living.
by blane@nla.gov.au
21) Tape Swap
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:03:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ECKMAN.METR.ou.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT and jazz influences...
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.960903104819.19130A-100000@eckman>
Hey everyone.
This talk is interesting regarding DT and jazz. The best way I can
classify DT would be as a hard rock/jazz influenced band. They
definitely show their improv. skills in their live performaces, such as
in the Images and Words video, Live at the Marquis in London, etc.
Bombay Vindaloo appears to be completely a jazz improv type rock song.
They maintain the rock edge in almost all of their songs, yet definitely
have the improvization of a jazz group.
Take for instance: Take the time (various parts witht the whole band),
Under a glass moon (keyboard and guitar solos), Learning to Live (seems
like one pre-arranged improv. instrumental section), the guitar solo in
Voices - I mean - come on folks, that's straight improv. there! Also,
referring back to the video Images and words in Tokyo, Petrucci has a
GREAT jazz flavor to part of his solo in "to live forever". Also,
Scarred has an instrumental section with pure improv. in the guitar and
keys solos. Also, Derek has himself a jazzy like solo in ACOS!
Jazz doesn't always have to be triplets and spur of the moment improvs.
They can be "prearranged improvs" as well, if that makes any sense to
anyone. Although in their video and
live CD, DT proves that they DO thoroughly enjoy the spur of the moment
improvs as well.
It is perhaps this unexpected and non-repetitious aspect of the band
which I find most intriguing and insipiring. Not only do they compose
unique and quite often complex rhythms and melodies, with extreme
precision, but they also leave some room for experimentation and variety
in performances. DT DEFINITELY has jazz influences and improv. skills
above and beyond most ordinary rock bands of today's times. Enjoy the
variety we have on our hands!
OK - I'm done with my essay!!
Jon Case
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Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 13:15:59 +0100 (BST)
From: Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: MP's Top Five, Mellica
Message-ID: <Marcel-0.99-0903121559-b49W1kb@aberry.demon.co.uk>
On Tue 03 Sep, Ollila Marko wrote:
>
> Everyone go get Stratovarius' "Episode". You'll thank yourselves.
>
Wish I could! I've had it on order for over a month now and it *still*
hasn't come yet. Has anyone in the UK managed to get hold of it yet?
-- +-----Andrew Berry--------------------- http://www.aberry.demon.co.uk -----+ | "You're waiting for tomorrow, well tomorrow never comes. | | Ha, you're waiting for your new dawn, so sad to say there isn't one. | +- Because (you fools) tomorrow belongs to nobody." - Carcass ------------+------------------------------
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 96 11:13:43 -0500 From: svjohnson@amoco.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Autoreply Message Message-ID: <199609031614.AA21921@interlock.amoco.com>
Item Subject: Auto Reply content. I will be on vacation until Monday, September 9. On the 9th and 10th I will be on official business. If it is urgent, please contact Neil Geary at (312) 856-5373. I will be returning calls/messages on Wednesday, September 11.
Steve
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:15:32 -0400 From: DreamNDay@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: He he he he.......I'm back! Message-ID: <960903121530_275933853@emout12.mail.aol.com>
AAAARGH!!!!! I'm back in ODDVILLE (new name). Long Island was awsome but I was homeless in a way. My grandparents were completely nuts so I had to move out and stay with my aunt and live on my cousin's floor. I couldn't live like that, so I'm back. I had a great summer. I went to 2 Lollapaloozas, got to meet Tom and Brad of Rage Agaisnst The Machine, got into a lot of cool bands (311, Sepultura, Fear Factory, Machine Head, Marilyn Manson) and learned a lot about myself. I'm a total different person. So what did I miss over the summer? I'll be droping aoHell in a few days cuz we have a local server. Well thats all for now.
later--------------Brian
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:56:00 +0500 From: richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: new TIME FOR NEW DT SONGS Message-ID: <9609031656.AA27356@jason.qc.ca>
CORRECTION FOR LINES IN THE SANDS taken from the official web site
Raise the Knife (11:15) Where are you Now (7:15) Take Away my Pain (6:35) You or Me (5:55) Anna Lee (6:35) Burning my Soul (9:00) The Way it Used to Be (8:00) Lines in the Sand (13:40) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEAH Just Let me Breathe (5:15)
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:39:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Shadow Gallery Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960903123410.1064G-100000@bdmserver>
Skooc wrote: > >I don't own SG's album but have heard it. They should go by a name that >better suits their sound; Shitty Queensryche sounds like a pretty good >description. Maybe with their next cd they could try some originality, or >start paying QR some royalties, cause this is one of the more blatant rip >off bands I've ever heard. >
What is this crap? What the hell are you talking about? When I hear Shadow Gallery, Queensryche does not come to mind at all. I find SG to be very original and refreshing.
>If this is the future of prog I'd rather listen to Green Day; at least they >don't try to pretend to be something they're not........
I guess you like a group where all their songs sound the same. You keep on rocking to your Green Day cds while the rest of us rock to SG...
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Hail to the Redskins, Hail Victory!!!!!!!! 0-1 | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| Go Orioles-Playoff bound in 1996!!!
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:24:21 +0100 (BST) From: Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1795 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.93.960903182218.27888A-100000@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
Nathan wrote: > > Awake (Oriental writing on side) for $32. [snip] > > And the answer is ...... Eve. This release contains a 3" mini disc of Eve.
I bought the oriental-looking Awake because I wanted Eve, and when I opened it up I discovered I had just wasted 23 ukp :-(
I found out the *hard* way that Eve wasn't in all of the Japanese releases!
Graham B. _______________________________________________ | o o | | Graham Borland |:: | graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk |:: | http://grelb.src.gla.ac.uk:8000/~graham |:: |_______________________________________________|:: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 13:59:52, -0500 From: FMTG05A@prodigy.com (MR ANTHONY L SCIAMANNA SR) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Another view of Shadow Gallery Message-ID: <199609031759.NAA04232@mime3.prodigy.com>
>I don't own SG's album but have heard it. They should go by a name that >better suits their sound; Shitty Queensryche sounds like a pretty good >description. That's a pretty bold statement for someone who doesn't own any Shadow Gallery albums. This is not meant as a flame, but if you think they rip off Queensryche you really ought to give them another listen. There is definitely a Queensryche influence, but the guys in Shadow Gallery can play circles around QR. Besides that they are some of the coolest guys I've gotten to know. -Anthony Sciamanna CLOCKWORK
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:44:33 -0700 (PDT) From: skooc@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re:Re: RUSH bashing Message-ID: <199609031844.LAA24699@lithuania.it.earthlink.net>
At 08:54 AM 9/3/96 -0700, you wrote:
>>I read an article about two years ago where Geddy said they didn't >write long songs anymore (ie Cygnus) because it was too draining on >them.
>ok, well, the quote i included was from around the Signals/GuP time >frame and i have the quote. i don't about yours. sounds just an excuse >as they were aging. i've read almost every article/interview and never >saw that one. if you can cite the exact magazine and article, i could >check it out. i don't why they'd talk about that so far down the road >since their last epic.
I don't remember the exact article. I was killing time in Apr. 94 waiting for The CD Store to open at Midnight so I could get a copy of The Division Bell(Boy did that album SUCK!) and I was reading a metal Edge or one of those mags (they're all the same anywya) an interview with Geddy Lee. They were asking him why they suddenly stopped with teh epic songs and went to mostly shorter ones, and that was his answer.
Scott
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:48:28 -0700 (PDT) From: skooc@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: He he he he.......I'm back! Message-ID: <199609031848.LAA24999@lithuania.it.earthlink.net>
At 09:26 AM 9/3/96 -0700, you wrote: >AAAARGH!!!!! I'm back in ODDVILLE (new name). Long Island was awsome but I >was homeless in a way. My grandparents were completely nuts so I had to move >out and stay with my aunt and live on my cousin's floor. I couldn't live like >that, so I'm back. I had a great summer. I went to 2 Lollapaloozas, got to >meet Tom and Brad of Rage Agaisnst The Machine, got into a lot of cool bands >(311, Sepultura, Fear Factory, Machine Head, Marilyn Manson) and learned a >lot about myself. I'm a total different person. So what did I miss over the >summer? I'll be droping aoHell in a few days cuz we have a local server. Well >thats all for now. > >later--------------Brian
Glad your back, Brian. See you on IRC
Grinder
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:00:32 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: But! Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.3.15.0.32.2916992174.337349@bbs.fgallery.com>
YT>>Hmmmmmm........ being an avid listener of many jazz artists and a YT>>big time DT fan I can certainly see alot of Jazz influence and style YT>>in DT music.
right!
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:04:34 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Berklee Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.3.15.4.34.2916992174.337352@bbs.fgallery.com>
YT>Hey Jammers
YT>I went to Berklee and though it may have its roots in jazz it is not an enti YT>jazz school. The best I can some it up is this way: Its not a jazz school, YT>not a fusion school, Its not a classical or latin or rock school, Its just a YT>music school. In order YT>to graduate with a degree in performance you have to have mastered many styl YT>They teach everything there.
YT>Chris Pignatelli YT>CLOCKWORK Hey dude..! Weaving webs of time rules
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:02:21 -0700 (PDT) From: skooc@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Shadow Gallery Message-ID: <199609031902.MAA25983@lithuania.it.earthlink.net>
At 10:10 AM 9/3/96 -0700, you wrote:
>What is this crap? What the hell are you talking about? When I hear >Shadow Gallery, Queensryche does not come to mind at all. I find SG to be >very original and refreshing.
When my friend put this cd in for me, the first thing I thought was he put in the new QR (I haven't heard PL, so I couldn't tell you what it sounded like), amagine my surprise when I heard it was SG.
I've listened to a lot of different bands because of this list, and SG is the only one that I really didn't like all that much. If you can't handle that Pat, then I don't know what to tell you.
>I guess you like a group where all their songs sound the same. You keep >on rocking to your Green Day cds while the rest of us rock to SG...
Oh, so you speak for every ytsejammer? cool! Next time I have a question for someone on the jam or IRC, I'll just email you instead. What a wacko!
Scott
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:08:50 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: whoa Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.3.15.8.50.2916992174.337354@bbs.fgallery.com>
Long island expressway in Acoustic dreams is awesome
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:25:50 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: whoa Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.3.15.25.50.2916992174.337371@bbs.fgallery.com>
YT>Long island expressway in Acoustic dreams is awesome also CIAw and 6:00 ..question..are there demo's? or are they live versions? and Perfect stragners is this Deep Purple on the acoustic dreams?
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:52:53 -0700 (PDT) From: skooc@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: whoa Message-ID: <199609031952.MAA01047@cyprus.it.earthlink.net>
>Perfect stragners is this Deep Purple on the acoustic >dreams?
No, that came from a special Bruce Dickinson did for the BBC. Deep Purple's original version is on the cd of the same name. A VERY killer album too!
Scott
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:25:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Shadow Gallery Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93l.960903162102.3828A-100000@ezra.weh.andrew.cmu.edu>
On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Pat Daugherty wrote:
> Skooc wrote: > > > >I don't own SG's album but have heard it. They should go by a name that > >better suits their sound; Shitty Queensryche sounds like a pretty good > >description. Maybe with their next cd they could try some originality, or > >start paying QR some royalties, cause this is one of the more blatant rip > >off bands I've ever heard. > > > > What is this crap? What the hell are you talking about? When I hear > Shadow Gallery, Queensryche does not come to mind at all. I find SG to be > very original and refreshing.
I find they sound a lot like Helloween, actually. The first song on Carved in Stone sounds way too much like "I'm Alive."
SG just doesn't thrill me all that much. They're a solid metal band with a generous coating of cheese, but not all they're cracked up to be. Not shitty, though.
-Max
Anton Max Keyboards, Aepithex MadMax+@cmu.edu
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:32:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu> To: The BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Paid YtseCon III Tickets Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95L.960903162219.9546B-100000@vanakam.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear jammers,
Hey there! Syrinx gave me the idea of writing up a list of paid tickets. If you sent out a check to me and you're not on the list, let me know! IT could be either lost in the mail or it didn't get to me yet. Well, here goes:
1N - One night reserved at the Marriot (these are only the ones that were sent to me ratehr than directly to the Marriot)
2N - Two nights reserved at the MArriot
R - Providing rides
L - Providing a place to stay
Paid:
001 Ryan T. Rafaloff 002 Ryan T. Rafaloff 003 David Neff 004 Sean Haider 005 Sean Haider 006 Brian Anderson + 1N 007 Brian Anderson 008 Brian Anderson 009 Pat Gravino 010 Mike Ostrich + 1N 011 Mike Ostrich 012 Dave Pack 013 Brian Levy 014 Jason Breitweg 015 Mike Bahr + 1N 016 Josh Sager 017 Josh Sager 018 Josh Sager 019 Josh Sager 020 Jeff Chew 021 Greg Chew
Okay, that's it so far. It's not looking very good so far, and I really need the money to put the deposit on the conference room, so I'd prefer if you guys sent me the money ahead of time rather than paying more at the door. That's it for now. If there are any mistakes, e-mail me! I'll talk to you soon!
Yours, Jeff =)
<*> Jeff Chew <*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/ <*> <*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> jeffc@dreamt.org <*> jchew@rsabbs.com <*> <*> (516) 674-4828 <*> Dorm (212) 853-2238 <*> Beeper (917) 712-4828 <*>
"Smile! No one will know what you're up to!" --- Lea Salonga
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 10:11:04 +0000 From: blane@nla.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: English ramblings Message-ID: <199609040016.KAA41613@email.nla.gov.au>
Hiya people,
Just a few quick remarks
> 1) Mike Bahr - I dont know you (only been on the Jam for 2/3 weeks) but your > mailings made a hell of a lot of sense to me. Youve got your head screwed on > man - seem like a great guy - good luck with the engagement etc. I didnt > realise how many fellow Jammers felt the same affinity with the ACOS lyrics as > me - a lot of it rings too close to home for me!! I wish I lived in America at > the moment there defininetly is a great community spirit amongst DT fans and > i'd love nothing more than to meet up with like minded top people, there seems > to be a distinct lack of Jammers in the UK.
DT fans are even more few and far between in Australia. I am unsure as to the number of jammers down under but I think it number about 4 or 5. Its taken me about 2 years to build up a small but loyal DT following in Canberra. I also am hanging out to meet some of the fellow jammers I have talked to and read so much about but money don't come easy and hence travellin' is hard.
> 3) Think yourselves lucky you Jammers in the USA - England aint got a Rock > Music Radio of TV prog at the moment so I aint heard any new Rush etc. So i'm > relying on you lot to keep recommending new bands/albums etc. Kerrang magazine > has also turned into a almost alternative rock music publication so bands like > DT DONT get one sentence.
Same in Oz.
> > 4) On about lack of DT material etc - spare a thought for us.I managed to see > them live 3 times on the I&W tour but they only played ONE gig in England + > the Ronnie Scott show for the Awake album. Both of these were in London. Now > it might be a shock to some of you abroad but most of the population of > England doesn't live in London! Although I know the lack of Dates wasnt DT's > fault it doesnt make it any better!
Hey, atleast they have toured in England and you have seen em. We still hope and pray they DT will reach Australia on their next tour.
Woo Angra go off ( in walkman at the moment )
Brett
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:30:33 +0000 From: blane@nla.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A Return to the living. Message-ID: <199609032334.JAA35089@email.nla.gov.au>
Hiya All,
I am back after about 1 months of life without jams. I have been rather preoccupied with my life, work and uni and let the jams pile up in my inbox for awhile. In brief, I have graduated from uni, after 5 years of boredom. Also, my father passed away about 2 weeks ago and I'm still recovering from the shock. Hey Mike B, I cried when reading your thoughts dude, very inspiring for a dude whose got some soul searching to do. On a brighter note, I have now increased my CD collection with some Angra, Ivanhoe, Ayreon and finally Superior ( hey it took awhile to get down under ). Many thanx to a guy called Gareth Ross for helpin me order stuff. I have spent the last couple of weeks playing Superior to everyone I damn well know and the response has been great, so keep it up guys and release Behind in Australia.
For those of you who dig rock operas, wild vocals, musical depth & diversity, and excellent muscians buy Ayreon: The Final Experiment. It kicks some serious ass, oh IMHO of course.
Congrats to Mike B and Melissa, I hope all your dreams and desires reach fullfillment thru each other.
I final note, has anyone else noticed how much the meanings of songs can change when the situations of your life change.
Brett : spread DT and prog in the land down under.
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:21:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Tape Swap Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.960903171523.8708A-100000@comp.uark.edu>
Jammers,
This is just another shameless plug to get everyone to sign up for the tape swap that I'm conducting. It's a great way to learn about different bands and to introduce others to some of your favorite bands... radio stations don't help us out with this, so it's up to us to take matters into our own hands.
So, if you want to participate, send the following information:
Your Name E-mail Address Postal Address
Send this info to: tapeswap@reich.uark.edu
The way it works is you compile a tape of noteworthy music that might not be well known... send a copy to three people (I give you their addresses, that's my role in this)... in return, three people send you their compilations... you listen and expand your listening perspectives.
As a result of the last tape swap I conducted, here are a few bands I have picked up albums by:
The Mighty Mighty Bosstones Shadow Gallery Echolyn Death Kansas Paradise Lost
Also, there are a few more bands I still need to check into some more, whenever the cash for CDs is available to me again.
So, sign up and let's do what we can to promote the prog community.
DrX.
/=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\ /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\ | I am the way, I am the light... | Ed Reed | | I am the dark inside the night. | ereed@comp.uark.edu | | I hear your hopes, I feel your dreams... | ehr@engr.uark.edu | | And in the dark I hear your screams. | drx@reich.uark.edu | <=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-> | Don't walk away, just take my hand... | | | And when you make your final stand... | Savatage -- | | I'll be right there, I'll never leave... | 'Believe' | | All I ask of you is Believe. | | \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-/ \-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-/
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