YTSEJAM Digest 1800
Today's Topics:
1) Autoreply Message
by svjohnson@amoco.com
2) Waiting for Godot
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
3) DT tribute
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
4) SG (NDTC) for Scott Cook
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
5) Shadow Gallery
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
6) Deen Castronovo!
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
7) boycotting RUSH??
by jpenna@trc.tosco.com
8) Re: who the hell are the Smurfs??
by Lisa Marie Peterson <peterson@fore.com>
9) Tull/ELP in concert
by Randall Braun <RBraun@tlr.ameridata.com>
10) A few things...
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
11) Re: Famous BL's
by brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1799
by whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White)
13) YTSEJAM digest 1799
by Big.Swifty@twav.com
14) (WWW generated email)
by Tom Schmitz <TTerrific_13@wow.com>
15) Re: (WWW generated email)
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
16) Re: SG (NDTC) for Scott Cook
by skooc@earthlink.net
17) Re: boycotting RUSH??
by skooc@earthlink.net
18) MIDI Files
by Big.Swifty@twav.com
19) DT / Jazz
by kurt@fgallery.com
20) dt tribute
by kurt@fgallery.com
21) LATM
by kurt@fgallery.com
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 03:30:06 -0500
From: svjohnson@amoco.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Autoreply Message
Message-ID: <199609040830.AA05453@interlock.amoco.com>
Item Subject: Auto Reply content.
I will be on vacation until Monday, September 9. On the 9th
and 10th I will be on official business. If it is urgent,
please contact Neil Geary at (312) 856-5373. I will be
returning calls/messages on Wednesday, September 11.
Steve
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:19:48 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Waiting for Godot
Message-ID: <199609040929.MAA16239@pepe.online.ee>
>>YOU'RE WRONG! The black album SUCKS! If you can't realize that then
>>you're cd player should be taken away from you!
>Well no, in fact. I guess we don't wanna go through THIS again, but
>I'd say the Black Album is probably the best Metallica, save "Ride The
>Lightning." The new record, though, is pretty damn awesome, itself.
i guess we don't wanna go thru this "carslberg, probably the best
beer in the world" thing. :-)
however, i've listened to the 1991 album and this new one and,
certainly, all of the preceding ones. this new one is quite boring
and simplistic. the guys are probably writing this music because they
feel they have to. thrill without a motive. they're calming down and
all those double guitar attacks don't sound sincere anymore. they
sound like "uh, it's been five years and countin'... let's do
somethin'". the only parts that i almost liked were the quieter parts
that do sound more "right there" than the 4/4 blues wailing and lars'
expressionless duracell-rabbit drumming. i'd give my vote for "...and
justice for all" 5 days a week.
to add a bit of topic here... just a question. it's very good to
convert people to dream theater, granted. but do any of you feel...
ashamed because of somebody in particular listening to dt? (i mean,
the punk next door, stinks, constantly drunk, with an iq smaller than
his shoe number, last week killed a dog with a baseball bat, majorly
into dream theater).
just a question, see what comes outta it.
raitz
How could I forget such a revelation
to love without fear and learn without question
how could I regret the meant occasions
I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
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Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 07:28:12 -0600
From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT tribute
Message-ID: <322D83EC.ED8@mo.net>
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That post about the DT trinute was pretty friggin' hilarious, I must
say. I'm really glad you all have a sense of humour. Unfortunately,
not enough people do. Have a nice day :?).
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:13:16 +0200
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: SG (NDTC) for Scott Cook
Message-ID: <v03007800ae532f4b069e@[128.178.99.94]>
>>I don't own SG's album but have heard it. They should go by a name that
>>better suits their sound; Shitty Queensryche sounds like a pretty good
>>description. Maybe with their next cd they could try some originality, or
>>start paying QR some royalties, cause this is one of the more blatant rip
>>off bands I've ever heard.
Scott: when I got hold of "Carved In stone", it took me a while before
getting really into it. For me that's a sign of a good lasting band (like
QR, DT, FW), whether they sound QR or not. And in fact, SG is nothing near
QR style-wise. So I don't know where you fetched that.
>Oh, so you speak for every ytsejammer? cool! Next time I have a question for
>someone on the jam or IRC, I'll just email you instead. What a wacko!
>
>Scott
Pat and I are not the only ones disagreeing with you. In fact, no one has
agreed with your point of view. Anyway, no point in getting hot over point
of views, right?
Take care,
(see ya on irc)
........................................................................
D A V E K I N G
vox & bass MT-20
"holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
"I was told there'll be no one to call on when I feel alone and afraid" (dt)
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 10:03:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Shadow Gallery
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960904095642.1244C-100000@bdmserver>
skooc wrote:
>
>Oh, so you speak for every ytsejammer? cool! Next time I have a question for
>someone on the jam or IRC, I'll just email you instead. What a wacko!
>
Sure! I would appreciate that very much. The jam doesn't need useless
clutter...
Seriously though, I dont think I am the only one who thinks that your
post was way off base. Like one other jammer said, how can you even come
to a conclusion about SG if you dont even own 1 friggin SG album? Putting
out such an uncalled harsh statement without even really listening to a
SG album reduces your credibility greatly.
BTW Childness name calling is not needed on the jam...
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
|=======================================================================|
| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Hail to the Redskins, Hail Victory!!!!!!!! 0-1 |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
Go Orioles-Playoff bound in 1996!!!
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:23:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Deen Castronovo!
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.960904092142.11503B-100000@rossby>
hey,
I actually have a CD with this guy drumming and didn't even know it until
last night!! No wonder I really like Steve Vai's "Alien Love Secrets".
Deen plays on 4 of the songs and really kicks some butt!!
He absolutely rules on the Natural Science part - almost note for note
like Neil Peart!
Later,
Jon
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Date: Wed, 04 Sep 96 10:31:45 EST
From: jpenna@trc.tosco.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: boycotting RUSH??
Message-ID: <9608048418.AA841858369@trcinternet.brc.tosco.com>
good day, eh...
well, i think that's pretty spiteful to boycott a new RUSH album most
of us have been waiting for on pins and needles since last Sept.
remember what your mother used to say? "why not cut off your nose to
spite your face". that's what it's like.
let's see, all of us like Dream Theater, that's why we're here. i'd
have say that most of us like RUSH. Dream Theater like and were
influenced by RUSH. RUSH likes, or at least respects, Dream Theater as
well as most of the other musicians on the tribute. i don't think the
tribute protest is a personal thing against any of the musicians who
play on the tribute. remember, i don't think we ever heard an
"official" statement from the RUSH camp, whether it was the band
themselves, the management or the record company as to the reason of
the protest. if anyone has, please let me know. the point is, it
could've been ANY group of musicians on the tribute album and RUSH
still would've protested it. a lot of you folks are taking the
protest way too personally. do you think the members of DT are taking
it that personally? i bet they get the new RUSH album, being fans
themselves.
one last question to those boycotting TfE: would you be boycotting
the new RUSH album, Test for Echo, if members of Dream Theater did NOT
participate in the tribute album??
i submit you wouldn't.
well, later.
--JP
the mad immortal man...
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Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 07:52:31 -0700
From: Lisa Marie Peterson <peterson@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: who the hell are the Smurfs??
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960904145231.006aec9c@irvin>
At 06:23 PM 9/3/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Just got working man, only a month late, but before i get to that.....
>
>the girl smurf on vocals (what was her name again??)
Smurfette! :)
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Date: Wed, 04 Sep 96 10:06:00 PDT
From: Randall Braun <RBraun@tlr.ameridata.com>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Tull/ELP in concert
Message-ID: <322DBD85@mailgate.ameridata.com>
>>>I recently went to see Tull/ELP (or is it ELP/Tull?) tour, and I was
wondering about something. Are they usually that "heavy" in concert (for
you oldies, who've perhaps been to earlier tours)?
I saw JT in 1979 (Bursting Out Tour/album, 2nd row, center). I'm not sure
what you expected, but they've always been good. They've never been a purely
progressive band, and in fact started out as more of a blues-oriented band.
Martin Barre is an often overlooked, but very good guitarist. It's hard to
say that JT isn't Ian Anderson's alter ego, but Martin Barre has been with
the band since the second album.
I've never seen ELP live, but I've seen quite a bit of concert footage (If
you can ever get a copy of their show at CAL JAM1 back in 197?, it shows a
band ahead of its time; Black Sabbath (Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, w/ a young
Ozzy) also was a fav., Tony Iommi is another overlooked guitarist. ELP can
put on quite a show. KE is one of the best at the Hammond; many of you
younger folk appear to have missed out on the fantastic work of
drummer/percussionist Carl Palmer. And Greg Lake was part of the original
incarnation of King Crimson, a band that was truly ahead and skewed to the
times. ELP has always had a mix of heavy and light, albeit that the heavy is
supplied by the keys instead of a lead guitar. FYI, there was some interest
when ELP formed to included a guitarist as well: either Jimi Hendrix or
Steve Howe were mentioned, but the clash of egos would probably have been
too great, and the idea never gelled.
As you might guess, I'm one of the older Y'Jammers, and I grew up with ELP,
Yes, JT, Floyd, Rush, Deep Purple, etc. That's why I might appreciate some
of the DT covers on ACOS more than others (I remember some gripes about them
when ACOS came out). -White Liliy Rock
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Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 11:58:22 -0400
From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
To: Da Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: A few things...
Message-ID: <322DA71E.B4B@bu.edu>
Hey, guys! I got a few things to say...
1) I went to Tower records yesterday, and Working Man was at a listening station!
Can you believe that?! Anyone ever see DT at a listening station? Needless to say,
Tower had several copies of WM.
2) While at Tower I also noticed that the new Eric Johnson disc has some nifty
artwork. Anyone get it? Reviews?
3) Also at Tower, (I really dig that place -- lots of cute females), I noticed that
James Murphy, that long-ass-haired guitar player featured on WM (I think he was or
still is a member of Testament...), has a solo album out on Shrapnel records. I being
a big dummy, bought THIS one. I didn't buy the Eric Johnson disc that has been
anxiously awaited by the entire guitar enthusiast world for the past six years, I
bought the James Murphy disc that I knew nothing about. And you know what? It SUCKS!
Figures. If you don't believe me, pick it up! (Here, try some of this milk; it's
horrible...) Deen Castronovo did the drums for it, though, and all of the highlights
are pretty much his.
4) The new DT songs and their approximate lengths:
Raise the Knife (11:15)
Where are you Now (7:15)
Take Away my Pain (6:35)
You or Me (5:55)
Anna Lee (6:35)
Burning my Soul (9:00)
The Way it Used to Be (8:00)
Lines in the Sand (13:40)
Just Let me Breathe (5:15)
Now, going by my trusty TI-81's addition capabilities, those tunes pretty much
fill a CD. So where's Metropolis Part Two gonna go? And what tune is gonna get left
off the cassette? ;)
5) I thought Brandon's post about DT being agaist the DT trigute thing was
hysterical.
Well, I guess that's about it for now. Back to listening to my new, shitty
CD. I'm gonna get my $15.99's worth even if it kills me, damnit! :)
Brian
--Brian Wherry Boston University Computer Engineering '98 bwherry@bu.edu http://acs.bu.edu:8001/~bwherry/home.html
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:58:41 -0400 From: brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com To: " - (052)ytsejam(a)ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Famous BL's Message-ID: <0010200003546151000002*@MHS>
>From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com> >Subject: Thingies. (no, not THOSE thingies) > >Just out of curiosity, can you think of anybody famous with the initials BL? >I can't. > >Ben Laussade
That's *EASY*!!! Brandon Lee. ;)
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 12:12:34 EDT From: whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1799 Message-ID: <9609041612.AA07313@mary.cs.fredonia.edu>
> Just out of curiosity, can you think of anybody famous with the initals BL? > I can't.
How about Bruce Lee? :) Chris
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Date: 4 Sep 1996 12:03:10 CDT From: Big.Swifty@twav.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1799 Message-ID: <199609041705.KAA15032@mindcrime.ax.com>
YT>Just out of curiosity, can you think of anybody famous with the initials BL? YT>I can't.
YT>(and no changing to nick names, like Rob Lowe to Bob Lowe. :)
YT>Ben Laussade
How about Barry Larkin? Or Bobby Layne? Or Ben Laussade? I'm sure there's more;)
Mark Peters - big.swifty@twav.com
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:07:13 -0400 From: Tom Schmitz <TTerrific_13@wow.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: (WWW generated email) Message-ID: <199609041707.NAA06203@nermal.catt.ncsu.edu>
3021 21st Street South Fargo, North Dakota 58103
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:18:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: (WWW generated email) Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960904131811.5684B-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> 3021 21st Street South > Fargo, North Dakota 58103
the question is:
_WHY_ is this here? do you expect love notes now? :)
----------------------------------------------- Michael B. Ostrich - musical advisor/consultant email: syrinx@dreamt.org syrinx@wicked.stigmata.org syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu
"..when i look back on the past, it's a wonder i'm not yet extinct. all the the mistakes and bad judgements i made nearly pushed me to the brink. it doesn't pay to be too nice, it's the one thing i have learned. still, i make my fossil bed, now i toss and turn." - adrian belew.
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 10:41:24 -0700 (PDT) From: skooc@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: SG (NDTC) for Scott Cook Message-ID: <199609041741.KAA06866@greece.it.earthlink.net>
At 06:23 AM 9/4/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Pat and I are not the only ones disagreeing with you. In fact, no one has >agreed with your point of view. Anyway, no point in getting hot over point >of views, right? > >Take care, >
That's not completely true, Dave. While no one been quite as agressuve in their opinion, there have been people that haven't exactly given SG glowing reviews. To each his own.
The reason I got so hot over it was Pat slammed one of the bands I really like, and since he mentioned Shadow Gallery, I decided to let him see what it's like to get it thrown back at him. I don't hate SG, I just think they need to get their own sound, which will probably happen over time.
Scott
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 10:55:00 -0700 (PDT) From: skooc@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: boycotting RUSH?? Message-ID: <199609041755.KAA07853@greece.it.earthlink.net>
At 07:34 AM 9/4/96 -0700, you wrote:
>one last question to those boycotting TfE: would you be boycotting >the new RUSH album, Test for Echo, if members of Dream Theater did NOT >participate in the tribute album??
ABSOLUTELY! To me this has NOTHING to do with DT whatsoever, this is about RUSH and how they are trying to keep this disc from being released. It's not who played on the cd at all. I think instead of boycotting the cd, go to used cd stores that sell their promo cd's that come in and get it that way, then you stil get the album but Rush (and Atlantic/Anthem) don't receive any money for it. Rush is not going to go bankrupt over this, but the only way to get their attention is in the pocketbook.
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Date: 4 Sep 1996 13:00:56 CDT From: Big.Swifty@twav.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MIDI Files Message-ID: <199609041803.LAA16181@mindcrime.ax.com>
Hellloooo!!!! I found a site while I was goofing on the web today that's pretty cool. It's got a bunch of prog MIDI files that you can download. Interested parties should visit http://eplex.ssc.nasa.gov/midi/ and grab 'em while they're hot!
Bye guys,
Mark Peters big.swifty@twav.com
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:19:42 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT / Jazz Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.4.15.19.42.2916992174.337820@bbs.fgallery.com>
YT>Whoa, DT not influenced by jazz? yeah right...just take a listen to JP's YT>solos live, or the To Live Forever solo...they are certainly influenced YT>by jazz, which is a good thing.. YT>Later! YT>Omar Torres
YT>P.S. Hey, to Mark Peters and Jon Moury, the money orders have been sent YT>today so you'll be getting them this week I guess :) YT>-- YT>/---------------------------------------------------------------------\ YT>| "Best way to love anything, is keeping in mind you might lose it." | YT>| "Spread before me is my soul, I'm learning to live." Dream Theater | YT>| mailto:kain@caribe.net | YT>| Visit the official page of the world's best band, Dream Theater at | YT>| http://www.rsabbs.com/dt | YT>\---------------------------------------------------------------------/
Yup..specially the end of to live forever on LiT.. is that jazz? uh..i think so...
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:24:26 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: dt tribute Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.4.15.24.26.2916992174.337822@bbs.fgallery.com>
YT>> I'm back at this great campus now! Weehoo. Anyway, is any one still YT>> interested in the DT tribute album?????
YT>Actually the members of Dream Theater found out that we wanted to do a YT>tribute to them and they were p ssed off. They did not want us to tribute YT>them. They are currently in a legal battle against ytsejammers (the label YT>that is manufacturing the tribute CD). Dream Theater has already banned YT>the CD in Long Island, but fortunately it will be sold in other parts of YT>the United States. I've called many music stores and none of them even YT>knew about the tribute. I just hope Dream Theater doesn't go too far with YT>one. I really want to get a copy of this.
YT>Brandon (aka Taco Belhai)
YT>BTW, this post was just a joke for the humor deficient jammers out there.
Hehehe i read the message and i didnt see the BTW part,and i had to laugh anyways... heheee
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:26:54 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: LATM Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.4.15.26.54.2916992174.337825@bbs.fgallery.com>
YT>>Bought a copy of LATM, $25 YT> Ooh. Not that you were ripped or anything, but the local Best Buy has YT>it new for about $16.99 or something like that (figuring it's the same YT>version). I have seen it used at a record store for about $25, and it YT>was the same version. I haven't gotten it yet, as my bills have been a YT>bit high, but will likely pick it up soon.
YT> Dale R. Newberry
whoa.. 16 bucks.. i boutgh it for 23..and a couple of friends of mine have bought it for 21 $ each
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