YTSEJAM Digest 1802
Today's Topics:
1) Rush boycott
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
2) Autoreply Message
by svjohnson@amoco.com
3) Venus Isle
by szucseue@saber.udayton.edu
4) LATM prices
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
5) What is "Working Man"
by "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <s875983@student.gu.edu.au>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1797
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
7) Cool Dream Theater Web Page
by RogerKS1@usa.pipeline.com (RogerKS1)
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1799
by ichhi@matrix.mdn.com (Patrick Taylor)
9) GW - JP
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
10) cairo
by matt rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
11) RUSH NEWS! (and me bitching)
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
12) My wips are nub.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
13) And now my fellow jammers, time to look at my bunghole.
by Jeremy Hyde <tempus@allinux1.alliance.net>
14) GW - JP
by kurt@fgallery.com
15) Hehe sorry
by kurt@fgallery.com
16) Re: Venus Isle
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
17) New songs that will be good!
by Mike Estok <estok@teleport.com>
18) Re: Message from Papa Smurf
by skooc@earthlink.net
19) Ivanhoe (GAG)
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
20) Animal cruelty, Anthem's response to the farce, Would I have boycotted if...
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:11:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rush boycott
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960904170846.479B-100000@bdmserver>
JP wrote:
>one last question to those boycotting TfE: would you be boycotting
>the new RUSH album, Test for Echo, if members of Dream Theater did NOT
>participate in the tribute album??
I think everyone who likes Rush would have still bought the tribute. Even
if I didn't like Rush annd DT wasn't on the album I would still buy it
because of all the others on the album...
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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| Hail to the Redskins, Hail Victory!!!!!!!! 0-1 |
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Go Orioles-Playoff bound in 1996!!!
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 17:14:08 -0500
From: svjohnson@amoco.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Autoreply Message
Message-ID: <199609042214.AA10354@interlock.amoco.com>
Item Subject: Auto Reply content.
I will be on vacation until Monday, September 9. On the 9th
and 10th I will be on official business. If it is urgent,
please contact Neil Geary at (312) 856-5373. I will be
returning calls/messages on Wednesday, September 11.
Steve
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:19:37 -0400
From: szucseue@saber.udayton.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Venus Isle
Message-ID: <96090418193744@saber.udayton.edu>
MY GOD!! Being an Eric Johnson enthusiast, I patiently waded
through my 9:00 class yesterday before hustling down to the nearest
record dealer to pick up "Venus Isle". I am so damn impressed with
Eric's direction that it's hard to believe that Rush has a new one
in just one week!! I'm pretty taken with all the new tracks after
four or five listens, and although the only halfway near track to
"cliffs of Dover" would have to be maybe "Pavillion", the tones
created on the record are just moving! Check this one out folks, it's
sure to be a classic!!
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Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 17:28:08 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: LATM prices
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960904222808.006b484c@mail.inlink.com>
quick one on this thread, just to say i got mine at best buy for 8 bucks.
well, i been in a shitty deal lately so this is all i have time for. later
~Rip
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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:33:11 +1000 (EST)
From: "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <s875983@student.gu.edu.au>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: What is "Working Man"
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960905082959.12476C-100000@frodo.student.gu.edu.au>
Due to time constraints and lack of motivation I have not really
been paying too much attention to the jam lately so it appears I have
missed out? CAn somebody please give me some info on what "Working Man" is?
THanx - Brenden
By the way - has anyone taped any of Mike's or John's clinics
when they've attended them (videoed them?)
Has anyone got any footage of MIke's appearance at the Ultimate
drummer weekend in Melbourne, Australia?
See ya - Brenden
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:58:06 +0000
From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1797
Message-ID: <199609042258.RAA22129@enteract.com>
> definitely show their improv. skills in their live performaces, such as
> in the Images and Words video, Live at the Marquis in London, etc.
> Bombay Vindaloo appears to be completely a jazz improv type rock song.
I don't think I've ever heard a jazz improv tune that sounds like DT.
Maybe fusion is what your thinking. Anyways, I'd just as soon call
it rock improv, if it was IMPROVISED. Bombay Vindaloo has a few
improvised sections, but it's very structured. The players aren't
feeding off each other's improvisation... they just change licks
around here and there.
> Take for instance: Take the time (various parts witht the whole band),
> Under a glass moon (keyboard and guitar solos), Learning to Live (seems
> like one pre-arranged improv. instrumental section), the guitar solo in
> Voices - I mean - come on folks, that's straight improv. there!
I don't believe for a second that one of those things was improvised.
What's a pre-arranged improv? Like writing the music before you
improvise it (?)
skooc:
> >I don't own SG's album but have heard it. They should go by a name that
> >better suits their sound; Shitty Queensryche sounds like a pretty good
> >description. Maybe with their next cd they could try some originality, or
> >start paying QR some royalties, cause this is one of the more blatant rip
> >off bands I've ever heard.
I have heard almost every Queensryche release. Please tell me where you
hear rip offs. Not the vocals. The guitarists are too technical to
rip off QR. Same with the Drums. Must be the bass. :)
> >If this is the future of prog I'd rather listen to Green Day; at least they
> >don't try to pretend to be something they're not........
ROFLMAO!!! You mean like... try to be .... punk?
> Oh, so you speak for every ytsejammer? cool! Next time I have a question for
> someone on the jam or IRC, I'll just email you instead. What a wacko!
Relax. He probably does speak for the majority of jammers. SG
Rocks.
Helloween fan:
> I find they sound a lot like Helloween, actually. The first song on Carved
> in Stone sounds way too much like "I'm Alive."
THAT'S what it sounded like! I kept thinking I'd heard the tune
before!
Aussie guy and British dude:
> > 3) Think yourselves lucky you Jammers in the USA - England aint got a Rock
Ah... you guys get all the cool accents though! :)
Chris Ptacek (312) 248-8511
EnterAct, L.L.C. Check www.cnet.com
someone@enteract.com for *YOUR* ISP Ratings!
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:07:26 GMT
From: RogerKS1@usa.pipeline.com (RogerKS1)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>, ytsejam@ax.com,
Subject: Cool Dream Theater Web Page
Message-ID: <199609042307.XAA16607@pipe15.h1.usa.pipeline.com>
Cool DT PAGE
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/6083/
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:34:48 -0501 (GMT-0500)
From: ichhi@matrix.mdn.com (Patrick Taylor)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1799
Message-ID: <199609042335.SAA00581@decker.mdn.com>
To the person who posted:
>I was watching a Video tape I recently received in the mail, and lo and
>behold there is a interview from 1979 with the band (That perm of Alex's
>just sent chills through my spine, I HAD one of those), and the thing where
>Geddy talks about changing their writing from Hem to PW is on there, so I
>wanted to give it exactly as Geddy said it.
>
>" ...also, due to the fact that Hemispheres took us so long to do, took so
>much out of us; it was a real draining album to do. We had sort of taken
>that conceptual thing to its limit for the time being and we all felt that
>we would like to work on shorter pieces that wouldn't be that involved."
If you have the time, could you transcribe the whole thing and email it to me?
Thanks
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Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 18:43:29 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: GW - JP
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960904234329.006c0750@mail.inlink.com>
got the latest guitar world... not only did it have Kurt Cobain on the
cover, but John don't even do Wild Stringdom anymore! Eric Johnson is
taking over now. Anyways at least Petrucci finished up with that big Chopin
thing, cuz i've been working through it and it will surely keep me
entertained for quite a while... but it was nice to have one thing to look
forward to in GW each month...
oh well, always somethin'
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:47:05 -0500
From: matt rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: cairo
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960904171045.242fa920@tam2000.tamu.edu>
to the guy who said he disliked the cairo cd:
i totally agree.
the thing about bands like cairo and enchant is that their sound
is very over-produced and lacks any raw edge or power.
it sounds, dare i say it, POPPY. that's what makes bands like
d.t., s.g., and other similar bands so much more appealing (at
least to me): they're not afraid to leave an edge and actually
give their music some raw feeling, instead of making it so polished
that it sounds like it came out of a factory.
just my take on cairo. their music just strikes me as very hollow.
later,
matt.
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S U R R E A L I T Y / http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape/
dark ethereal music / SURREALITY II AVAILABLE NOW
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:04:42 +0000
From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RUSH NEWS! (and me bitching)
Message-ID: <199609050004.TAA26350@enteract.com>
First off, what's the deal with certain people coughKURTcough quoting
like 20 lines of material to reply to only the last sentence? We
have the jams. We probably know what yer talking about. Not a
flame. Hey... I'd say the same thing about Digital Man if he weren't
so god damn amusing,.
Now, Rush fans, listen. Listen good. I'm not sure if this
interview is syndicated, but tomorrow on Rock 103.5 (not a metal
station by any stretch of the imagination... nor even a good station)
in Chicago is playing the new Rush album along with about _2_ hours
of a Rush interview. They wen't to Canada to talk to RUSH. A RADIO
STATION! A BIG ONE! Anyways, this is a new interview, about the new
album, and some interesting news about Neil Peart from what I hear.
If this is syndicated, FIND it locally. If not, I will TRY to tape
it. It starts at 9:00 PM, and at that point I'm working in a
building with lots o computers, so the sound quality may suck. But I
will try to tape it, and I will pass it on to some more people.
Thought I'd keep ya informed!
Chris Ptacek (312) 248-8511
EnterAct, L.L.C. Check www.cnet.com
someone@enteract.com for *YOUR* ISP Ratings!
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:06:03 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My wips are nub.
Message-ID: <199609050006.RAA16522@m5.sprynet.com>
>Whoa, DT not influenced by jazz? yeah right...just take a listen to JP's
>solos live, or the To Live Forever solo...they are certainly influenced
>by jazz, which is a good thing..
>Later!
>Omar Torres
I didn't say anything about JP. I said MP.
>They might be a 400-lb gorilla, but in this case I think
>they're a 400-lb gorilla IN THE WRONG.
In the wrong what? Bathing suit? Restaurant? Oh, never....
>I'm back at this great campus now! Weehoo. Anyway, is any one still
>interested in the DT tribute album?????
The Great Wally Llama Returns!!!!!! And yes....it was almost revived while
you were gone, but it slipped away again quietly in the night. Dammit.
>BTW, this post was just a joke for the humor deficient jammers out there.
>
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHI DON'T get it.
>(Jeff Chew,
>Digital, Mike Bahr, Skadz, Brian Wherry, bafu, Paul Cashman, Elliot Kim,
>Magical, Heath, Mike Bradley, Damn I know there are dozens more of you I
>just can't think right now)
Gee. I feel loved. <hic> WAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:) Welcome Back Tallen! (not a typo...just what comes from seeing your
e-mail adress three thousand times)
>Take for instance: Take the time (various parts witht the whole band),
>Under a glass moon (keyboard and guitar solos), Learning to Live (seems
>like one pre-arranged improv. instrumental section), the guitar solo in
>Voices - I mean - come on folks, that's straight improv. there!
Since when does improv=jazz?!
>Paid:
>
>001 Ryan T. Rafaloff 002 Ryan T. Rafaloff 003 David Neff
>004 Sean Haider 005 Sean Haider 006 Brian Anderson + 1N
>007 Brian Anderson 008 Brian Anderson 009 Pat Gravino
hehehe....did you think that if you made it look like Mike Bahr CD
reservations more people would buy tickets? :-)
Wow. Horn quartets are neato.
Ben Laussade
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Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 20:30:36 -0700
From: Jeremy Hyde <tempus@allinux1.alliance.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: And now my fellow jammers, time to look at my bunghole.
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960905033036.00696630@mail.alliance.net>
Mr. Elliott Kim gargled the following verbal liquid in Ytsejam Digest 1801:
>Damn. He sure looked wierd with his head shaved. ;)
Aghh, I thought that we laid that joke to rest, Elliott. :)
And now for your reading pleasure, I will now present in my posts the
#ytsejam IRC quote of the week. As my the other IRC jammers know, many
hilarious things are said in #ytsejam, so I'm just relaying the best of it
on to the IRC-less people. Enjoy!
|--------------------------------|
| #ytsejam IRC quote of the week |
|--------------------------------|
|"In the court of the typo king."|
| -Michelob (Mike Estok) |
|--------------------------------|
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| -=Jeremy Hyde=- |
| aka |
| -=Tempus=- |
|tempus@alliance.net|
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:58:08 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: GW - JP
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.4.-12.58.8.2916992174.337974@bbs.fgallery.com>
YT>got the latest guitar world... not only did it have Kurt Cobain on the
YT>cover, but John don't even do Wild Stringdom anymore! Eric Johnson is
YT>taking over now. Anyways at least Petrucci finished up with that big Chopin
YT>thing, cuz i've been working through it and it will surely keep me
YT>entertained for quite a while... but it was nice to have one thing to look
YT>forward to in GW each month...
YT>oh well, always somethin'
YT> ~Rip
I hope its because he's too busy with album stuff.. and hes gonna be
doing it again! :)
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:02:04 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hehe sorry
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.4.-11.2.4.2916992174.337976@bbs.fgallery.com>
Hi..sorry about that..its just that i dont have the cut thing on my
email... well..just saw Metallica on the mtv video awards..
they were good.. in the sense that they song sounded good..but as ive
thought lately they have lost their balls.. they even like started doing
someting else when they finished with until it sleeps ..but decided not
to..
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:28:00 -0400
From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Venus Isle
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960904213008.35a77ddc@access.mountain.net>
At 03:27 PM 9/4/96 -0700, you wrote:
> MY GOD!! Being an Eric Johnson enthusiast, I patiently waded
>through my 9:00 class yesterday before hustling down to the nearest
>record dealer to pick up "Venus Isle". I am so damn impressed with
>Eric's direction
<snip>
>Check this one out folks, it's sure to be a classic!!
Gets my vote, too. It is a little different from _Tones_ & _Ah Via Musicom_
(there's even one track where EJ plays mostly PIANO!), but really really
impressive.
Jonathan Byrne
rael@access.mountain.net
http://access.mountain.net/~rael/jdbhome2.htm
West Virginia University College of Law
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"Gentlemen, the screwballs have spoken."
-Roger Myers. Chairman, Itchy & Scratchy Studios
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:51:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Estok <estok@teleport.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New songs that will be good!
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.92.960904194242.22528A-100000@linda.teleport.com>
I have a question.
Is it just me or do you often find yourself singing out loud
during boring patches the New DT songs off the next album (TNA) (like for
example, the other day I found myself singing that so far unheard song
"You or Me". I remember someone said how James sings repedetely in the
chorus "You or Me, you or me, you or me". So, I was trying to figure out
how that goes.) even though you haven't heard a note of it?
No?
Nevermind.
BTW, today I saw some guy witha "XANADU" license plate.
Interesting.....
Interesting dog name of the day: Deee-Oh-Gee. Think about it :)
Michelob-
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:36:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Message from Papa Smurf
Message-ID: <199609050336.UAA04754@cyprus.it.earthlink.net>
>To the guy who didn't like "Are you being Served" I can understand that.
>British comedy is definenetly different from others(which I think makes it the
>best). Loads of Double Entendres etc USA comedy seems to be more direct more
>offensive- putting people down which is probably why I dont like a lot of it
>except for the most excellent Sergeant Bilko!
BILKO RULES! (The tv show, not the movie). Thank you God for Nick at Nite's
TV Land!!!!
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Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 04:24:14 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ivanhoe (GAG)
Message-ID: <322e5322.26019565@mail.inforamp.net>
Good evening,
>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 17:48:08 EDT
>From: whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White)
>to trade for the Cairo CD, please email me. I'm specifically looking for
>Ivanhoe,
I would suggest avoiding these guys like the plague. I can't
stand the CD. It comes across to me as an attempted rip off of DT with
very strained and annoyingly high pitched vocals and a guitarist who
just can't cut it playing progressive metal. If I hadn't bought it as
an import, I would be willing to sell it right this second
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 04:24:03 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Animal cruelty, Anthem's response to the farce, Would I have boycotted if...
Message-ID: <322e4f6a.25067385@mail.inforamp.net>
Good evening,
>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:19:48 +2000
>From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
>the punk next door, stinks, constantly drunk, with an iq smaller than
>his shoe number, last week killed a dog with a baseball bat, majorly
>into dream theater).
I take it you did the right thing and snuffed out his "waste
of flesh" life instantly?
Animal abusers should get the goddamn death penalty. If I ever
encounter anyone doing anything like that here, I'll kill them in the
name of a species cleansing.
>Date: Wed, 04 Sep 96 10:31:45 EST
>From: jpenna@trc.tosco.com
>"official" statement from the RUSH camp, whether it was the band
>themselves, the management or the record company as to the reason of
>the protest. if anyone has, please let me know. the point is, it
I contacted Anthem Records directly and their response was
that it was a contractual problem between Magna Carta and parties
representing the band. They then added that they could be no more
specific at this time and wished me a good day.
>it that personally? i bet they get the new RUSH album, being fans
>themselves.
That's hard to say. How would you like to build a monument to
a family member as a tribute, and be told to destroy it because that
person was still alive?
>one last question to those boycotting TfE: would you be boycotting
>the new RUSH album, Test for Echo, if members of Dream Theater did NOT
>participate in the tribute album??
>
>i submit you wouldn't.
As I've said before, I've been buying Rush for 23 years. I
will boycott the new record and DT had nothing to do with the
decision.
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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