YTSEJAM Digest 1814
Today's Topics:
1) Innocence Faded?
by kurt@fgallery.com
2) Pro-Cairo and So forth
by rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Ryan Good)
3) Re: Innocence Faded?
by Special Dark boy <belhai@drew.edu>
4) Hotel Reservations
by Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
5) postings
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
6) DT on the Radio
by as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles)
7) re-Bad news
by Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net>
8) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1812
by "Susan Ostroske" <spatz13@msn.com>
9) To live forever
by Perix <perix@ns.cyberg.it>
10) Re: Maiden Best of
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
11) Tape Tree
by Jay Runde <jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com>
12) Dalbello
by Coop42@aol.com
13) YTSEJAM digest 1813
by MMMcIntosh@prodigy.com (DR MICHAEL S MCINTOSH)
14) That is not what you need on the inside...
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
15) double cd? then again, maybe not
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
16) James vox
by Stan <sstys@earthlink.net>
17) Yes!! :)
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
18) More various ramblings
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
19) A Letter To MTV From A Concerned Viewer.
by Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com>
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:02:20 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Innocence Faded?
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.9.12.2.20.2916992174.339777@bbs.fgallery.com>
well at least i havent seen any ..i think that song is not played live..
right along there with SDV.. and scarred i think ..if im wrong
corrections are welcome..
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:22:22 -0500
From: rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Ryan Good)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Pro-Cairo and So forth
Message-ID: <199609091622.LAA60376@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
Hey-
Just so someone's happy out there: I really like the Cairo Disc. Actually,
I'm going to put it on right now. Wait a sec....OK. I just started Between
the Lines. It's a great fun song. I LOVE the keys. I'm really excited for
their new release. SO there. Kudos to Cairo.
By the way all of you Magna Carta fiends (like me), what is new and upcoming
in the world of neo-prog? Altura's is an excellent release, so pick it up.
________________________________________________
"Red raincoats and riffels and epidemic has been stopped"
-Spin Doctors
________________________________________________
name - Ryan T. Good
e-mail - rtgood@students.wisc.edu
phone - 1-(608)-258-1587
pager - 1-888-845-1150 (call and type in your number)
what - Madison Student Radio
who - Music Staff (Music Stapher)
which kind - Progressive Rock/Heavy Metal
why - why not?
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Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 12:24:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Special Dark boy <belhai@drew.edu>
To: the cool people <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Innocence Faded?
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.960909122137.587216088G-100000@drew.edu>
> Just one quick Question..
> I was wondering if anyone has seen a DT Bootleg with Innocence Faded?
> Its the only song that I have Not heard Live...
So you've heard "space dye vest" live? They never performed this one live
either.
Brandon (Taco Belhai)
"I quote the immortal words of Socrates when he said 'I drank what?'"
- Real Genius
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:25:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
To: The BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Hotel Reservations
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95L.960909122344.10673A-100000@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear jammers,
Hi there! I just spoke with the La Guardia Marriot, sorry it took so long
for me to straighten out that entire thing! Anyways, they told me that
the deadline for reserving a room during the YtseCon III is October 4th,
so you have some time until you cannot reserve a room anymore.
Anyways, you will be seeing an update sometime in the very near future.
I'll talk to you soon!
Yours,
Jeff =)
<*> Jeff Chew <*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/ <*>
<*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> jeffc@dreamt.org <*> jchew@rsabbs.com <*>
<*> (516) 674-4828 <*> Dorm (212) 853-2238 <*> Beeper (917) 712-4828 <*>
"Smile! No one will know what you're up to!" --- Lea Salonga
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Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 11:26:56 -0600
From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: postings
Message-ID: <32345360.37A4@mo.net>
>Finally, how come I get all the BS about me posting too much and no one >says shit to Dale Newberry...
>huh?
>No offense intended, Monty :)
hey, none taken (by me anyway, as far as Monty's concerned, well, he
doesn't read the jam, so it doesn't really matter :). I have no idea
why nobody's said anything to me about the postings. I mean, maybe it's
because I avoided most of the overdone threads (i.e. Metallica,
VanHalen, MTV, the double CD, should we do a DT tribute, flame wars,
etc.) - I do have opinions on most of these topics, but others expressed
them better than I could, so I figured it'd be a waste to add to it
all. Heck, I don't even put stupid quotes at the end of my messages
anymore (mostly because I'm too lazy).
Man, I really do need to change that name on my e-mail so people don't
mistake me for my dad (his account, yeah, I'm a college grad still
leaching off my folks :). Basically, I try and follow Skadz's 'rules'
(for the most part ;). Oh well. Gotta go to work (cringe). Later all.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:01:33 -0500
From: as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT on the Radio
Message-ID: <199609091701.MAA05283@wks1-48.cummins.com>
I was shocked last night. Our local Classic Rock station
in the Indianapolis area has a Sunday night program called
"Solid Rock Sunday Night." They take requests for "harder
and faster rock." As I was driving back from my wife's aunt
& uncle's I flipped stations and guess what I heard? DT. PMU.
(Well, it was the radio edit of it, but still) At first I
didn't beleive it. I have a CD player that plays through a
pre-set FM frequency, and I though I had hit the wrong pre-set
on the stereo and accidently hit the play button on the CD
player. Then I remembered that I had Shadow Gallery in the CD
player. It HAD to be real !! (Of course I cranked it) After
it was over (a few minutes too early), the DJ came on and said,
"How about that? Dream Theater!"
My question: Is there an Indianapolis area jammer whom I can
thank for this? I mean, I have been trying off and on to get
through and request DT, but some one else beat me to it. Fess
up, who ever you are. :)
******************************************************************************
Andrew Stiles If......Sex is Death
astil00@mail.cpbx.net and.....Death is the first dancing turtle ;)
Then....Sex is the first dancing turtle ??
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Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 11:08:05 -0600
From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re-Bad news
Message-ID: <32344EF5.3DDA@micron.net>
Hi!
just a note to the fella who's wife is hurt-may all things go well for
both of you!! My sympathies to both of ya!!!! /me dcc exe. 2 big hugs to
you!!
Pam
--
Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton
_____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace
</__"Rockin Cabbie"__\o THE INTERNET
0 0 E-mail:
cwheaton@micron.net
URL:http://netnow.micron.net/~cwheaton
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 17:09:36 UT
From: "Susan Ostroske" <spatz13@msn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1812
Message-ID: <UPMAIL08.199609091711320966@msn.com>
>Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 00:06:19 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Trey Allen <tallen@max.cybermax.net>
>Subject: I need Elliot kim's address!!!
>Hey if anyone has Elliot Kim's email, please send it to me!!
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>Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 00:14:22 -0400 (EDT)
>From: 99ABEL@alma.edu
>Subject: DiMeao ola, McLaughlin, DeLucia
Someone mentioned these three, so I thought I'd add that anyone in the world
who doesn't have Friday Night in San Francisco should have it,
Any one else familiar with it?
Well... after ripping out the garbage (check your connection!!) I gotta ask,
"HUH?" I've got "Grace, Wind, And Fire," or whatever it's called... Did the
three do this together?
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>Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 00:28:22 -0500
>From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
>Subject: A Letter To MTV From A Concerned Viewer.
>Dear MTV,
>I am writing to inform you a little bit about a band you may or may not
>have heard of, called Dream Theater.
Heheheheheheheh!!!! HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEH!!!!!
Man, that's scary... and true.
Suz
Spatz13@msn.com
sostroske@juno.com
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3781
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Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 19:09:50 +0200
From: Perix <perix@ns.cyberg.it>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: To live forever
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960909170950.0066e8a0@mail.cyberg.it>
Hi....it' s the first time I write....
Is there anyone that could help me?....I hope yes....
I need the tab for To live forever....do you know where can I get it?
greetings to you all from Italy
Perix
homepage: http:/www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/1728
powwow: perix@duramater
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:04:23 PST
From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Maiden Best of
Message-ID: <199609091805.SAA38055@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 09/09/96 12:13am -0700
Hey,
The new maiden cds coming out, its called "Best of the Beast"
Basically, its a greatest hits package. Its gonna have 2 cd's,
quite a few songs, live and studio versions. There will be 2
singles, one will have Prowler and Strange World (I think SW)
from the Soundhouse tapes and the other cd will have the same
songs from Lord of the Flies (without LOTF). Both singles and
the new discs contain the NEW maiden song called "virus"
I haven't heard it yet so don't ask me about the new song :) I
just wanna hear it :) (its sorta like constapation really) I
think the due date in the UK was the 14th of October, the
singles are supposed to be released around the middle of
september but check around, they could be out now.
I know you can pre-order the disc, its going to be like 30$ or
something, expensive but there's supposed to be some cool
stuff with it. The 4 record vinyl one is supposed to have a
shitload of cool stuff with it as well. Gee, I think thats all
there is, if anyone wants the track list, assuming I can find
it, ask me for it. I know it seems really cheesy that mean are
doing this but this is for the "non fans", well, "recent fans"
to get familiar with the bands past, why am I starting to feel
like Keith Wilfort? :)
Mark/Stranger
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
\|
"To each his own and his own be damned"
msmeets@ibm.net or msmeets@smartt.com
http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/stranger.htm
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 13:51:37 CDT
From: Jay Runde <jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tape Tree
Message-ID: <199609091852.LAA04278@mindcrime.ax.com>
I might run a tree if enough people show enought interest. I have a DAT clone
of the 12/30/95 show at New London. It is 1:55 minutes long. Here is the
set list of the show.
Wake Up! (intro)
6:00
Under a Glass Moon
Caught in a Web
Lie
Lifting Shadows off a Dream
Guitar Solo
Scarred
Surrounded
Keys Solo
Erotomania (with drum solo)
Voices
The Silent Man (Electric)
Pull Me Under
-----encore-----
Perfect Strangers (Deep Purple)
Please me mail at darwin@bcl.net if you would be interested.
--
James Runde
darwin@bcl.net
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 15:24:32 -0400
From: Coop42@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dalbello
Message-ID: <960909152430_519046217@emout07.mail.aol.com>
> Is the Dalbello mentioned on the last digest the same Dalbello
>that wrote Queensryche's "Gonna Get Close to You" and sang "Start Today"
>on the Victor album (Alex Lifeson's side project)?
Yes, she is! In fact the QR-Version of "The Stalker Song" (Good Title!) is a
cover of Dalbello's original tune. I don't know that original version, so
this is just 2nd-hand information, but trust me on this one!
Take Care!
Andreas Berger
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 15:22:50, -0500
From: MMMcIntosh@prodigy.com (DR MICHAEL S MCINTOSH)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1813
Message-ID: <199609091922.PAA04498@mime2.prodigy.com>
please do not send any further mail to this address...
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Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 19:27:22 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: That is not what you need on the inside...
Message-ID: <32346F99.3F54@mailstorm.dot.gov>
>> 2. Rush: Rush
> And I thought I was the only one that still listens to this one... :)
Played side 1 so many times on the turntable, the needle just wore right
thru and now it just plays side 2 no matter which side I put on! :)
2CD idea: i would like a 3CD, but i'm willing to settle for a 2CD...
Dream Theatre conversion kits: Play the first couple of minutes of ACOS.
If they don't like it, mop the floor up with their face, smile at them
and be on your way. They're frail, virgin minds are not worth it!
Actually, what I usually do is end up playing sections of songs. That
way, in a short period of time, I've piqued the interest and still allow
them to experience the entire song the first time for themselves...
>> I like Alanis Morisette alot. I've been listening to her album alot
>> lately.
> I like hambergers alot. I've been eating them alot lately.
I don't listen to hamburgers a lot, but...uh, er, nevermind :)
> If anyone out there is thinking of mailing MTV et al., then at least
> wait till the band has something to market, or you'll just annoy them
> and they'll ignore us in the future.
But MTV has been annoying me for years and I ignore them anyways :)
> Their music would make her little pretty face implode under the
> crushing weight of her own sheer incomprehension.
I like !!!
> ppps. I would have written more, but "Singled Out" is on.
I'd be watching MTV right now, but there's some more important (navel
lint) demanding my attention.
> Let's get Dream Theater back where they belong: on tour and on stage
> in a town near you soon!
I'd like to get them to gear up on the back of my truck and drive them
through town, or better yet, get stuck in the tunnel during rush hour.
No where to run, puppies...you may never learn, but you MUST LISTEN!!!!
Ciao,
Jon
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 17:55:59 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: double cd? then again, maybe not
Message-ID: <199609091938.WAA08834@pepe.online.ee>
'lo!
many people have mentioned the possibility of dream theater releasing
a double album. methinks the idea (as it is) is not among the best
ones i've heard.
a good point by kain: many people doesn't give a monkey's ass about a
double cd from a band they've never known of. they pick a noname
SINGLE cd just for checking it out. people only buy double cd's when
they're definitely positive that they're gettin' their money's worth.
maybe we should think back to 1991, when our beloved (nah!) guns n'
roses released their "use your illusions" that which wouldn't have
sold shit, had the band been unknown. dream theater is far from being
unknown, but just as far from being as famous as guns n' roses (i,
for one, don't want it to happen either).
so i think a single one with 75 minutes of music should be enough to
give us somethin' to chew on for next 2 years. this is not the kind
of music you can get easily tired of.
patiently chewing my fingernails,
raitz
How could I forget such a revelation
to love without fear and learn without question
how could I regret the meant occasions
I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
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Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 15:52:50 -0400
From: Stan <sstys@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: James vox
Message-ID: <32347592.41BD@earthlink.net>
in light of all of the discussion of James's voice I am going to add
my 2 cents. I don't feel like qouting it but I believe someone said
that on IaW his pronunciation of many of the words in the vocals was
too good and that he didn't sound human. If you look at the voice as
an instrument like many people do it would seem that he fits right in.
The man is no slouch and has can floor someone with his voice. In my
opinion if DT is considered a musical band then it makes sense to have
someone as good as James instead of someone like say Axl Rose. I
am not a singer and usually don't listen real hard to the vocal lines
but his voice is very captivating. It is something that alot of bands
can't compare to. Yes he does sound more natural on Awake, but so do
the rest of the band. I admire him for his range and tonal abilities.
cheers stan
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:49:25 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yes!! :)
Message-ID: <199609091949.MAA27694@goodguy.goodnet.com>
Way to go Scotchman!!! Once again you have proven to be the master
of Ytsehumor, much in the way that Bafu is the master of Ytsesatire, and I
am the master of Ytse-excuses. :)
Thanks to ALL of you for the well-wishes to Melissa and I, we both
appreciate it. She reads the Jam as well and is endlessly entertained by
the antics of the entire bunch of us. :)
In turn, I wish all the best to Sue Terry, and hope she gets well
soon.
And won't someone give Damon a ride to the con??!
Tori Amos "Inside The Storm" ships next Monday.. CONFIRMED. It
leaves the factory tomorrow. About fuckin' time!! :)
Later for now. New update due out Wednesday or Thursday.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - Scoobaca RULES!
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Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 13:58:04 -0600
From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: More various ramblings
Message-ID: <s234223e.076@IOMEGA.COM>
Hello ytsejam,
There have been several posts lately I'm going to respond to.
Cairo... Personally, I rather like these guys. But I like to make the
decision of what I like and don't like from actually hearing them. I
don't mind other's opinions regardless if it agrees or disagrees with
mine. But what I can't handle is someone else believing they can
decide for me what I like or dislike. Especially when they don't
familiarize themselves with 'the enemy'. I'm not necessarily
defending Cairo-I'm defending free will. Where the hell does anybody
get off telling others what to like, dislike, buy, sell, etc. and
actually believe others will follow? Pretty big ego trip. Point is, I
think all of us here can decide for ourselves, thank you, what we
like or don't like.
Welcome Back Damon. I missed your searing wit and charm. And I,
for one, have never bashed a keyboard, although there are some that
do this and call it 'playing' :>
DT putting out a 2CD: This has been hashed but I'm in favor of it.
But then, right now, I'll take a single. I'm starting to go through
DT withdrawal right now-I need NEW DT.
And as far as DT being on eMpTV: FUCK MTV. Who cares about eMpTV,
anyway. I would rather see them on PBS in a full concert appreciated
by those who would appreciate them. I've caught lots of great acts
there on Friday nights. The exposure would be to a more mature
audience capable of making intelligent decisions themselves instead
of being told what decision to make (see first paragraph).
Congrats Mike and Melissa: You're waiting untl 1998? Ah what the
hell do I know, I waited 9 years to ask my wife, 1 and a half isn't
that long. I'll tell you this, it goes by quicker when you're married
than while you're waiting to get married.
The three rings of marriage:
Engagement ring
Wedding ring
Suffering - Eddie Van Halen
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:24:56 -0700
From: Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A Letter To MTV From A Concerned Viewer.
Message-ID: <v03007803ae5a2d008ca5@[128.95.235.96]>
IMHO, this is the funniest thing I've read on the 'Jam since Ytse and the
Jam (Scooby-Bafu, where are you?) Kudos, Scott.
Just one comment:
> pppps. I would have written more, but "Singled Out" is on.
You mean you wrote all that during the one 60-second commercial break
"Singled Out" _isn't_ on? Damn, now I'm even more impressed.
pg
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Paul Goracke | "Reality is that which when you
pgor@netcom.com | stop believing in it,
| it still exists." - P.K. Dick
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