YTSEJAM Digest 1818
Today's Topics:
1) Warning - delayed mail
by NTMail <RodrigVi@telefonica.com.ar>
2) Socrates
by Josh Sager <jsager@cygnus.rsabbs.com>
3) Tributes well deserved
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
4) John's Solo
by Ronald <petnrond@rad.net.id>
5) Tape Swap and Misc.
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
6) how I got another DT fan...
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
7) Generosity overwhelming
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
8) O:R/Dalbello
by Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
9) Re: FW (wee bit of DTC)
by SaVeur <saveur@cais.cais.com>
10) Ramblings from the Outhouse
by Mau-Tze <jmoury@wam.umd.edu>
11) Marillion and Superior...
by Brian Reeves <breeves@ibm.net>
12) Judas Priest Tribute vol. II
by "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
13) Innocence Faded
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:17:51 -0300
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>Today's Topics:
>
> 1) Newsweek welcomes you to your new home with some housewarming values...
> by KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
> 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1814
> by Tim Spear <Veilmaya@dircon.co.uk>
> 3) conversions
> by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
> 4) re: alanis
> by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
> 5) another labrie thread
> by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
> 6) Re: Innocence Faded
> by YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu>
> 7) Test For Echo Tomorrow!!!!!!!!
> by Jacques Ferland <sebsammy@generation.net>
> 8) Tapeswap
> by "Kevin Donnelly" <KDonnelly@vines.ColoState.EDU>
> 9) another labrie thread
> by kurt@fgallery.com
> 10) various qorking man
> by kurt@fgallery.com
> 11) Re: Innocence Faded?
> by Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu>
> 12) Re: Autoreply Message
> by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
> 13) Cairo, keyboard bashing. (Please Read, it's my first one)
> by Hector Crisantes <"snyfarms@dakotacom.net"@gateway.dakotacom.net>
> 14) Speaking of Bafu
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:50:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Josh Sager <jsager@cygnus.rsabbs.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Socrates
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.960910094957.915B-100000@cygnus.rsabbs.com>
Chasing Time is just a compilation album, with a lot of John Arch-singing
stuff. You should check out "Parallels" and "Perfect Symmetry" and "No
Exit." Much better stuff.
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Josh Sager Red Sector A, Inc. http://www.rsabbs.com
Creative Director 8001 B Lincoln Drive West (609) 988-8587 voice
jsager@rsabbs.com Marlton, NJ 08053 (609) 983-9197 fax
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:37:11 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tributes well deserved
Message-ID: <32357c5f.1584751@mail.inforamp.net>
Good morning,
>Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 19:44:07 -0700
>From: Jeremy Hyde <tempus@allinux1.alliance.net>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: A "quotable" tribute to Rick Terry :)
>Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960910024407.0066f10c@mail.alliance.net>
>
>Since our very own Rick Terry has come upon a hardship lately, I feel I
>should do my part and have my very own "Rick Terry Quotes" post. If you've
>ever visited #ytsejam and you saw Rick there, you know what a funny guy he
>is. Rick is the "King Of One-Liners" in my book. Without further adeu,
>here is some of Rick's best quotes.
Oh no! ;) Thanks for the tribute, I think. :)
NOTE: Due to licensing restrictions, this tribute not available in the
following countries: UK, Sweden, Finland, Puerto Rico, Netherlands.
>"Couldn't I just masturbate with a handful of salt and vinegar chips?"
> -Rick (Rick Terry)
>"Rick has a crunchy monkey."
> -Rick (Rick Terry)
Ah yes. These are definitely the ones I want to be remembered
for. You can do many things to leave your mark on this world, but
masturbatory activities and crunchy simians are at the pinnacle of
human achievement. ;)
>"You should wear Depends if you flood yourself regularly."
> -Rick (Rick Terry)
I'm not old enough to worry about this yet. :)
>|"Rick - the poster boy of the quotes." |
>| -Michelob (Mike Estok) |
>|--------------------------------------------------------------------|
I can picture myself sitting at a desk with a huge pad of
paper, writing down whatever disjointed thoughts race through my
cranium ala Herman Scribbler of Python fame. Then I rush to the
keyboard and madly log into IRC. :)
I would like to take a moment to thank all of you for your
compassion and support during what has been and will continue to be a
difficult time.
It's very hard for me to watch someone I love endure pain on a
daily basis and not be able to assist, other than by providing comfort
through my presence.
Your kind thoughts mean more to Sue and I than we can
articulate. They are a source of strength to me and have moved her
greatly.
We are both fighters and will get through this. You can rest
assured that your love is a wonderful asset in Sue's treatment.
My, and our, sincere and most heartfelt thanks to you all.
Love,
Rick and Sue
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:44:18 -0500
From: Ronald <petnrond@rad.net.id>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: John's Solo
Message-ID: <316C8012.399F@rad.net.id>
Hi, I have lil' of JP solo in Fortune in Lies, Under Glass Moon, Pull Me Under
and Take The Time in my Homepage [music section]
Visit at : http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/6654
R there any Asian Ytsejammer here?
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:48:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tape Swap and Misc.
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.960910094128.16769A-100000@comp.uark.edu>
To people who tried to contact me about the tapeswap and failed:
I was playing games on my system (reich.uark.edu) a couple days ago, so if
your mail bounced, that is probably the reason. It shouldn't do that
unless I have the system down for hideous amounts of time, but who
knows... so, just resend the messages, the address is correct:
Also, anyone else needing to sign up, please do so... I'm going to start
this thing in about the next week, as time permits.
*************************************************************************
A few ramblings now:
Got Working Man (finally)... Devin's voice is actually pretty cool, I
thought. Mark Slaughter sounds terrible though, IMO... and I even used
to like Slaughter (first concert I ever saw, pretty bad, huh?). Overall,
a damned fine album... one comment though, I find myself liking the songs
I am *not* already familiar with better than the ones I do know.
James' voice: I'm one of the guys who will occasionally critique James'
voice... I _don't_ think there is anyone else qualified to fill his spot,
and I think he brings a lot to the band. Truth is though, James' voice is
not always on target during live performances. He has a great tone, good
delivery, etc... but, he is not as consistent in live situations as
someone like Geoff Tate. Could I do what James does? Heck no, nor do I
pretend to be able to... I just don't think you should hold James' as
the one and only infallible vocalist in the world. Give him his due
respect, but realize there are other great vocalists out there too.
DrX
/=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\ /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\
| I am the way, I am the light... | Ed Reed |
| I am the dark inside the night. | ereed@comp.uark.edu |
| I hear your hopes, I feel your dreams... | ehr@engr.uark.edu |
| And in the dark I hear your screams. | drx@reich.uark.edu |
<=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=->
| Don't walk away, just take my hand... | |
| And when you make your final stand... | Savatage -- |
| I'll be right there, I'll never leave... | 'Believe' |
| All I ask of you is Believe. | |
\=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-/ \-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-/
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:48:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: how I got another DT fan...
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.960910092646.23258A-100000@rossby>
I've got a few comments including the one the subject is on:
First, while in undergrad school in 1994 (fall), I was tutoring some
people and discovered this one guy was a huge RUSH fan and that Neil Peart
was considered by him the absolute best drummer. Now, no shot against Neil,
but I think Portnoy now has outclassed him, also with the help of age...
Anyhow, I told this guy about DT, and how Portnoy can actually outdrum
Neil. Of course, his initial reaction was "no way - are you crazy or
something?" So, I played for him 6:00 on the car stereo for starters,
and the rest is history. I played various other tunes from Awake, which
as far as I know, he liked more than IAW. I could tell that he was blown
away by the drumming on awake, and he went out and bought it right away,
as well as IAW. So, if anybody knows of any drummers who actually do not
know of DT yet (hard to believe I know), just play 6:00 and they'll be
completely impressed!
Now as for other instruments, I don't have as valid an opinion being a
drummer myself, but here goes:
I think Learning to Live can impress ANYBODY for ANY instrument (one of
my personal favorite songs). There are some great keys parts, the vocals
are FANTASTIC, so is the drumming. Bass and guitars have so much variety
that just all the different styles played in that song would be impressive!
Also, keys on 6:00 are excellent as well as in scarred. The mirror would
impress most heavy guitar players, but voices prob. has the best solo.
Oh - also under a glass moon! my goodness! Excellent guitar and keys
solos! Of course, bass is prob. best in Metropolis (I don't think anyone
can disagree with this, since that awesome solo sits in the middle).
Vocals are greatest on all of IAW (I've never liked them as much on Awake
for some reason) and ACOS.
Drumming is best on all of Awake (best SOUNDING drums as well).
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As for other matters, regarding Rick (I think) with his wife's injury - I
think it's great the sympathy and true compassion that jammers have been
showing for him and his wife, and here's my part - GET WELL SOON and best
wishes for a speedy recovery for her! It truly shows us the depth and
substance behind all of us, not that we ONLY care about listening to
incredible music. We actually LIVE up to Dream Theater's songs and
lyrics, not because we have been manipulated by their messages, but
because we as people, have already identified ourselves in their
messages, and that's one of the reasons why we love the band so much! WE
CAN ACTUALLY IDENTIFY ASPECTS OF OUR LIVES IN SONG. Again, a truly
commendable trait of the jammers: our compassion and caring for others,
as well as enthusiasm for life in general!!
Hope this wasn't too long,
Jon Case
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"Blood....heal me; fear.....change me;
Belief will always save me.
Blood....swearing; fear.....staring;
Conviction made aware.
Learning from misery, staring back at dissent.
Leaving distrust behind - I'm inspired and content!"
(Excerpt from "scarred")
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:59:07 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Generosity overwhelming
Message-ID: <32357f36.2311134@mail.inforamp.net>
Good morning,
>Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:15:11 +0000
>From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
>of cash. I would be happy to foot the bill for your ISP for a while.
>You can pay me back when I meet you at the NEXT Con.
Thank you for your VERY generous offer, but I can't accept it.
Cash is tight for everyone and I'm far too proud to take money from
anyone. Please understand, I do appreciate the gesture but I just
can't take your money.
Besides, it looks like this whole thing might work out after
all. I may be able to access some cash that I have tucked away for a
rainy day. It's a complicated matter so I won't get into it here.
You guys aren't rid of me yet. :)
Thanks again,
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 08:03:08 -0000
From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: O:R/Dalbello
Message-ID: <199609101501.IAA28175@mindcrime.ax.com>
Kevin Sherk wrote the following in Ytsejam #1811:
>Ya, I remember that, it was called operation revolution. I know I sent in e
>mail but I guess it just proves that there isn't "Anybody Listening"!
>Frustrating if you ask me. I thought that it might actually do something.
>I was subscribed to both the ytsejam and screaming in digital (the QR
>mailing list) at the time and it was all over both of them, as well as in
>fidonet and a bunch of other amature networks around here.
I had to laugh when I read the very last line of this. Guess who was
posting the stuff to FidoNet? <g> There's quite a few Dream
Theater/Queensryche/prog metal fans there, so I thought it was worth
getting more people in on the cause. Anyhow, when I read that line, I
had to see who was writing the message, and, lo and behold, it was one I
recognized!
It would have been nice had O:R had some positive response, but I'm
afraid that if it didn't work before, it won't work again, either. :(
Once in a while, I'll be channel flipping and happen to catch a clever
video, but, for the most part, the videos seem to cater to people with
the attention span of a gnat...definitely not an audience open to the
complexity of Dream Theater, let alone any other hardcore prog bands. In
fact, when DT does get played (i.e. "Lie"), it's a disappointment to me
to see the song get hacked up.
Also from #1811:
> Is the Dalbello mentioned on the last digest the same Dalbello
>that wrote Queensryche's "Gonna Get Close to You" and sang "Start Today"
>on the Victor album (Alex Lifeson's side project)?
Jinx! <g> Or, rather, GMTA. :) I had no idea that someone else had
asked this before me since I posted my own query before this digest was
sent out. I got the EOJ, though. ;)
Jen
o.-.o "This is perhaps the greatest lesson we learned from
((^)) our patients: LIVE, so you do not have to look
O) _ (O back and say, 'God, how I have wasted my life!'"
O/ \O -- Elisabeth Kubler-Ross
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:03:59 -0400
From: SaVeur <saveur@cais.cais.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: FW (wee bit of DTC)
Message-ID: <199609101503.LAA12634@cais.cais.com>
At 06:53 AM 9/10/96 -0700, Josh wrote to Socrates:
>
>Chasing Time is just a compilation album, with a lot of John Arch-singing
>stuff. You should check out "Parallels" and "Perfect Symmetry" and "No
>Exit." Much better stuff.
donut forget Inside Out :) and speaking of Chasing Time, since when did
putting an entire mix thru a QuadraVerb constitute a "remix"? yes, i'm
talking about We Only Say Goodbye.
i would point Socrates to my Fates page...but it's down. in fact the entire
thing is down. oh well.
DTC! last nite on #ytsejam, ryan called up his local radio station and
requested DT...AND THEY PLAYED IT! btw, i'm moving to texas ;)
on the 2CD thing: i'd like a double, but a single disc would be more successful.
when's YtseConIV?
-john sexgod, bassist FREE BEER
j o h n s a v e u r @ c a i s . c o m
e
n
s h t t p : / / w w w . c a i s . n e t / j j e n s /
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:13:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mau-Tze <jmoury@wam.umd.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ramblings from the Outhouse
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.960910104204.10607A-100000@sun07pg2.wam.umd.edu>
> From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
>
> >OK, I knew they haven't played SDV...I should have said "IF is the only
> >song they have played Live that i have not heard..."
> >
>
> They haven't played SDV live, but it can be heard at their concerts. Anyone
> know where?
During the ticking clock at the beginning of the show......
> >So now my question is: "Have they Played IF?"
>
> They played IF at the beginning of the AWAKE tour and also at the 1st New
> London show.
Yeah...I seem to remember hearing them play it when I saw them at
Hammerjacks, Oct. 27, 1994. No wait...according to my ticket stub
I saw 'Dream Theatre'...sorry wrong band....but they did do some
amazing DT covers...for the entire show..:-)
>
> Andy
>
>
> From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
> Kevin's keyboards once. Bought everything I could get my hands on. so, don't
> just assume you have to find songs for one's particular instrument, a
> keyboard player can get hooked on a bass thing or guitar thing or drum thing
> or singing thing, or whatever.
>
Naturally, you dou don't even have to be a musician to like Dream Theater.
If that actually were required, I wouldn't be sitting in front of this
terminal wearing my Home For The Holidays tour shirt responding to this
list....:-)
> From: Big.Swifty@twav.com
>
> YT>Speaking of Bafu, where the hell is he? Has anybody heard from him? I know
> YT>Ben is still around, but where is Bafu? And what, I am not up there in the
> YT>anals of ytsecomedy? Shit, I might have to get to work.
> !!^^^^^!!
>
> I certainly hope not;)
I'm surprised no one who responded in kind to Damon's message pointed out
that next sentence begins, "Shit, I might..." Please Damon: don't try to
even get in my anal, much less 'up there'...
>
> Mark Peters
> big.swifty@twav.com
Enough quoting...lessee big news: I'm listening to Test For Echo as I
write this...'Dog Years' is on....I like it!! That's about all you'll
hear from me on the disc on this list....maybe more when I'm on #ytsejam.
I was in a bookstore last night in Tysons Corner, VA. Employee commented
on my shirt (Trey Allen-designed Ytsejam Shirt). He noticed the internet
address and asked for subscription info...I hope I remembered it
correctly....updated him on the status of the new disc based on the
info here and whatnot....When walking around the University of
Maryland campus, the usual reaction is squinting, of all things. As
if the person is not sure if their eyes are in proper working order
when trying to read 'ytsejam', but it was nice to finally have someone
say they've even heard of Dream Theater much less want to subscribe
to the jam...I think this about covers it for now...
Jon. (Mau-Tze on #ytsejam)
"I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV." # #
Rush*PinkFloyd*DreamTheater*IronMaiden*King Crimson*ELP # #
I'm calm. I'm directed. I'm..Jon Moury (jmoury@wam.umd.edu) ### ###
"Higher conciousness through harder contact (tm)" ### ###
Life isn't just cheap: it's in the way! #### ####
There are forty people in this .sig. None of them can be seen. # # #
Vivat Grendel. # #
# #
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:31:58 -0600
From: Brian Reeves <breeves@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Marillion and Superior...
Message-ID: <32357BDE.6FE1@ibm.net>
>
> PS I'm looking to get into Marillion also, what of Marillion is best
> (talking both lyrically and musically)? I bought Afraid of Sunlight, and
> thought it is so-so. It is very laid back, (which is not a bad thing)
> except for the 2nd song. The jurys still out on a final verdict, tho.
Ya know, several years ago Marillion was my fave band. IMHO their best
stuff was with Fish on vocals. Fish is a poet and a genius. My favorites
are Clutching At Straws and Misplaced Childhood, both of which are
"concept albums" meaning most of the tunes run together and tell quite a
story as only Marillion can. Fugazi is great also but the production is
sub-par (very bright and edgy in places) but musically powerful. Script
is depressing and featured a different drummer. Buy it last. Can't
comment on the post Fish stuff except for Seasons End which I don't like
much. None of their stuff is heavy tho so be prepared for something
different...but awesome....E-Mail me if ya wanna know more...
Query....Is the Superior disc worth like $27!!!!! Can't find it any
cheaper...guess I can drive for Dominos part time....
Brian R
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Date: 10 Sep 96 09:52:35 +0200
From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Judas Priest Tribute vol. II
Message-ID: <9609100952.aa35@tppalv2.metsaserla.fi>
Yee zee 'jamanoids!
I received a message from Alta Mira concerning the JP Tribute "Legends of
Metal" vol.2 and here's what it said:
Judas Priest Tribute Vol 2
--------------------------
Features:
Gamma Ray Stratovarius Kreator
Angra Overkill Skyclad
Virgin Steele Blind Guardian Iced Earth
Forbidden Heavens Gate Nevermore
Leviathan
..I'm not complaining, there's some of my fave bands in there, but just what
the hell happened to JLB, who was supposed to sing on this disc? And Gamma Ray
was already on disc 1 of this!
_Mape_
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:39:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Innocence Faded
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960910112839.19415I-100000@bdmserver>
Wow! There is actually a DT related thread.
I know for a fact that DT played IF at the Pittsburgh show in November
1994. I have this show on tape (although shoddy quality). I was pissed
though since 2 days later at the Baltimore show they did not play IF!
On a side topic, I still have found nothing wrong with the way Devin
sounds on the Working Man cd. Sure he does not sound like Geddy but I
like his voice. Why does everyone hate him? Is it his voice or that he
sounds nothing like Geddy?
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
|=======================================================================|
| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Hail to the Redskins, Hail Victory!!!!!!!! 1-1 |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
Go Orioles-Playoff bound in 1996!!!
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