YTSEJAM Digest 1817
Today's Topics:
1) ** New Ytsejam Tshirts **
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
2) Fates Warning
by Socrates17@aol.com
3) The Quest for new music...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
4) di Meola et al
by Scott Daugherty <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu>
5) Egads.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
6) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1816
by "Susan Ostroske" <spatz13@msn.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1816
by Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
8) Scott's MTV Post ....
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
9) DT popular vs. underground
by Cowboyburt@aol.com
10) Definition of Progressive music.....
by "Rudy van IJzendoorn" <rudy.van.ijzendoorn@tip.nl>
11) emails can work
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
12) another labrie thread
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
13) Tape Tree
by Jay Runde <jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com>
14) Tape tree for Conn home for holidays show
by Andrew Miller <andym@wicked.stigmata.org>
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:41:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ** New Ytsejam Tshirts **
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960909223755.2357A@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
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Well, the time to order your Ytsejam T-shirts is now. The order was
placed over Labor Day weekend, printing will be begin shortly, and the
shirts will make their first appearance at YtseCon III on October 12th.
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Details
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The Ytsejam shirts are two sided prints. The front of the shirt features
a *full color* raytraced graphic from Chris Haley in Washington. The
graphic is a beautifully done scene with the Majesty logo floating behind
a group of marble columns on a tile floor with a wide view of space
visible behind.
The back of the shirt will be done in a solid blue color. The majority
of the design is a huge Majesty logo, framed by the Dream Theater title
at the top, the mailing list address on the sides and "Ytsejam" at the
bottom. Below that is "Internet Mailing List" between two more Majesty
logos.
At this point the order stands at 150 shirts, but I'm considering
increasing to 200, and possibly a later second run if demand is high
enough.
You can check out all of the details, as well as a preview of the shirts
at:
http://www.phlab.missouri.edu/~c675311/ytsejam/
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Pricing
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The cost of the shirts is $16 each. The shirt is damn close to concert
quality, so $16 is a steal (last Dream Theater concert I was at charged
$23 for a shirt!). If you require a size larger than XL, please let me
know ASAP so I can get those orders in. There is an additional $1 charge
for each size increase (ie. XXL = $17). If you are picking the shirt up
from me directly or will be at YtseCon III, the $16 price stands. If you
won't be at the Con and can't get the shirt in person, you can order one
through the mail for $20 to cover shipping.
The rundown:
Pickup or Con: $16
Mail Order: $20
XXL +$1
XXXL +$2
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Ordering
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The shirts are open to pre-ordering now. You can reserve one by check or
money order to ensure that you will get one. I definitely recommend
this. By ordering early, you can make sure you get a shirt, as well as
ensure that the whole project goes of without a hitch. Checks and money
orders will be held until the weekend before the Con (Oct. 4th) at which
point they will be cashed to cover the rest of the payment when I pick up
the shirts. Those of you at the Con will receive your shirts then. Mail
orders will begin shipping the week after the Con, most likely on that
Wednesday (Oct. 16th). I am still working on definite pricing for
'jammers outside the US, so if you happen to be in that category, email
me and we'll work something out.
To order, send a check or money order for the proper amount (see pricing
above) to:
Pat Griffin
573A Hudson Hall
1202 E. Rollins St.
Columbia, MO 65201
Make them payable to Pat Griffin, and remember this in US dollars.
Be sure to include:
Your name.
Email address.
Mailing address.
Phone number.
Quantity of shirts you want to order.
The size of each.
Whether or not you will be at YtseCon III.
I will keep you up to date on the status of the shirts through email.
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Miscellaneous
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Remember that all the info can be found online at:
http://www.phlab.missouri.edu/~c675311/ytsejam/
I will add a list of pre-orders as soon as I can.
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That's about it for now. If you have any questions feel free to email me.
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 23:48:16 -0400
From: Socrates17@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fates Warning
Message-ID: <960909234816_281445389@emout06.mail.aol.com>
Hello all,
I'm a Dream Theater fan who has been in isolation for the past
3 years, thinking that I was one of the few people in the world who like DT.
When I got aol though, I discovered a "progressive metal" message board, and
found others who liked DT, and they told me about ytsejam.....so here I am.
Anyway, the point is, I've heard several people talk about Fates Warning, so
I went out and bought the album "Chasing Time". Well, I hate to say, but I
think it sucks. I could be wrong, maybe it will grow on me or something. But
is all there stuff like that? Did I just happen to buy their worst album? I
don't mean to offend anyone, I'm just wondering if my first impression is
faulty.... Also, about the Dream Theater on MTV deal, I think that a little
publicity wouldn't hurt them. So what if all the Green Day and Nirvana punks
switch to Dream Theater? That just means more money for DT!! They won't
change! I say the more fans, the better..... Thanks for putting up with my
first post...
Socrates17@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 23:03:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Quest for new music...
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960909224121.2357B-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
I'm on the prowl for some new CDs since it looks like there isn't a lot
coming out for a while. If anyone out there has CDs by any of the
following bands, knows where I can get the CDs, has any info on the band,
is a member of the band, knows of a WWW page where I can get sound
samples, etc, please email me and give me a hand with this. Anyway, on
with the list:
Garden Wall Anekdoten (sp?) Anglagard
Arsnova Ivanhoe Mad Puppet
Timescape Iced Earth Clockwork
Mastermind Altura Lemur Voice
Tempest Vanden Plas Cairo
Spock's Beard Iluvtar
Thanks.
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| Pat Griffin Reality2 Design |
| c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu |
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 00:13:56 -0400
From: Scott Daugherty <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: di Meola et al
Message-ID: <3234EB04.47BB@homer.louisville.edu>
Suz asked this:
> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 17:09:36 UT
> From: "Susan Ostroske" <spatz13@msn.com>
>
> Someone mentioned these three, so I thought I'd add that anyone in the world
> who doesn't have Friday Night in San Francisco should have it,
> Any one else familiar with it?
>
>> Well... after ripping out the garbage (check your connection!!) I gotta ask,
>> "HUH?" I've got "Grace, Wind, And Fire," or whatever it's called... Did the
>> three do this together?
Yup. It's a live recording made in San Francisco in 1981. Needless to
say, it kicks serious butt. It's probably rather hard to find these
days, I got mine used. Just in case you can order it, it's a Philips
release, catalog # 800 047-2. It also says on the disc that it was
marketed by Phonogram, whatever that means. Good luck!
Bye,
Scott Daugherty
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:28:24 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Egads.
Message-ID: <199609100428.VAA22097@m5.sprynet.com>
>Fuck Dream Theater on Conan O'Brian.
<grunt>
>Fuck Dream Theater on David Letterman.
<grunt>
>Fuck Dream Theater on Jay Leno.
<grunt>
>Fuck Dream Theater on MTV.
<grunt>
>Let's get Dream Theater back where they belong: on tour and on stage in a town
>near you soon!
Oh..heh...you didn't mean literally. Sorry guys. :)
>YT>MATT NO LONGER LIVES AT THIS ADDRESS, PLEASE SUSPEND ALL EMAIL
>YT>MESSAGES...
>
>Uh...no longer "lives" at this adress?
Wow. I should look for real estate at Sprynet. :)
>perpetual-humdrum-dance-"I want you,baby"-drum-machine-programmed-
>mindlesscrap-notalent-bass on the downbeat-type music.
Whoa whoa! Slow down! I'm still trying to learn the dance to "Macarena".
>>WE ALREADY KNOW!!!!!!!!
>>CAIRO HAS TOO MUCH KEYS FOR EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!
>
>Too much keys relative to what? Again, please don't be so absolute and I
>doubt you speak for all the jammers out there.
>
Okay, SOMEBODY didn't get the point. :)
>Hey-
>Just so someone's happy out there: I really like the Cairo Disc. Actually,
>I'm going to put it on right now. Wait a sec....OK. I just started Between
>the Lines. It's a great fun song. I LOVE the keys. I'm really excited for
>their new release. SO there. Kudos to Cairo.
Nor did somebody else.
>I
>am not a singer and usually don't listen real hard to the vocal lines
>but his voice is very captivating. It is something that alot of bands
>can't compare to. Yes he does sound more natural on Awake, but so do
>the rest of the band.
Well, even if a guitar solo is programmed..somebody still had to have
programmed it.
I admire him for his range and tonal abilities.
>
I think I figured it out. James shows off in the wrong ways (and showing off
ain't a bad thing). Take Mariah Carey for instance....she's got a fucking
huge range....but when she sings, she adds tons of embellishments and
schtuff. James doesn't really so much. Moreso live, but I like to hear that
kind of improvisational stuff on studio recordings too. Now, I don't mean
that James should sing like Mariah Carey....but if your instrument is going
to be out in the front of the band, and vocals almost always are, then make
it a little wacky. :)
>Unlike most "ytsejammers," I would have preferred to see
>"Innocence Faded" than "Scarred" live.
I'd agree with you if they decided to extend the
jam-session-jean-creamer-outro for about ten minutes. :)
>Speaking of Bafu, where the hell is he? Has anybody heard from him? I know
>Ben is still around, but where is Bafu? And what, I am not up there in the
>anals of ytsecomedy? Shit, I might have to get to work.
Bafu's the same place you were all summer.
>James' voice is fucking great, and it makes me sick that there are people
>who consider themselves fans and then speak of him like they can do any better.
If you're referring to me, I never said I was any good at singing.
>People that buy DT albums and sit their and
>whine and critique James to death remind me of people that are offended
>by nudity but still visit porn web sites. Don't like it? Don't go there!
If you can't take constructive criticism about OTHER people, remind me never
to critique you about anything, unless I've got a death wish.
>They haven't played SDV live, but it can be heard at their concerts. Anyone
>know where?
Do you sing it when you're taking a restroom break? :)
Also.....I swear somebody said that SDV was played live on here. Don't
remember who, but "Rhode Island" sticks in my head. Maybe I was
hallucinating again.
>couldn't we just subscribe MTv to the Ytsejam?
>
Whoa. :-)
>From: GKerr4@aol.com
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1815
>Message-ID: <960909233016_1477203487@emout11.mail.aol.com>
>
>Please delete me from mailing list.
Wow! Are you Graham Kerr the cooking guy?
>25) woo!
> by Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
Who is this guy, and how did he get so damned cool?
Ben Laussade
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 04:50:27 UT
From: "Susan Ostroske" <spatz13@msn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1816
Message-ID: <UPMAIL08.199609100452310205@msn.com>
>Date: 9 Sep 1996 20:42:34 CDT
>From: Big.Swifty@twav.com
>Subject: McRocklin...
>5 CD's I'm not currently playing - 1. Men At Work - Business As Usual
>2. Bad 4 Good - Refugee 3. Rod Stewart - Unplugged And Seated
Uh oh...now you have treaded on McRocklin territory... ::baring teeth:: He
was only 11... don't knock it!!!
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>Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:14:17 -0700 (PDT)
>From: fba25110@centum.utulsa.edu (bruce forst)
>Subject: MTV on the Ytsejam...
>couldn't we just subscribe MTv to the Ytsejam?
Oooooooooooooohh!!! Me LIKES this idea!!!!! :) Let's get ALL of their
addresses and subscribe them....and resub them as soon as they get free!!!
Susan
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 01:04:24 -0400
From: Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1816
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960910050424.0069b36c@ee.net>
> Ytse-Ben wrote:
> Oh, come on!!!! People my age aren't THAT stupid. They don't like
> everything. I really do think that DT WOULDN'T become the next dumbass
> trend. I think that getting reasonable airplay would just let the people who
> would normally like DT discover them....meaning that if you don't read lots
> of musician magazines, or blind picking in the CD store it'd be pretty hard
> to discover DT. MTV airplay would just help bring the good fans in. Every
> single person I know that watches MTV doesn't like SOMEthing. Not all
> teenagers are lemmings. :) (as much as picturing that in my mind makes me
> giggle, they're not)
Way to go Ben...I really dug the whole post, but this paragraph especially
because you managed to put what I try to say into different words, and
it probably makes more sense to most people...thanks! :)
buster
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 01:32:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Scott's MTV Post ....
Message-ID: <199609100532.BAA21652@wicked.stigmata.org>
Just a quickie ....
Scott Herman for some reason called Bafu the leader,
nononononononono, _I_ am the leader, Bafu is just the
court jester ;)
Later
Skadz
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Ryan P Skadberg skadz@soundlogic.com
Internet / Network / Systems Consultant
Sound Logic Consulting New Media Communications
http://www.soundlogic.com http://www.mindstorm.com
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for the first time in a long time everything was right
in my world and then i woke up
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:04:44 -0400
From: Cowboyburt@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT popular vs. underground
Message-ID: <960910040439_1544334078@emout17.mail.aol.com>
As long as they could become popular on THEIR terms (continued outstanding
musicianship, long songs, diverse styles, etc.), then we should all hope for
multi-platinum success.
One very important thing to keep in mind is : without a certain level of
success and record sales, their record company may not keep them on their
roster. And with no label, we get no records!! Unfortunately, that's all that
record companies care about.
ALSO - the more successful they become, the more artistic freedom they will
have from their label. (meaning stuff like ACOS, double albums, etc.) Without
impressive sales, they might feel pressured into "selling out".
So, I think if we love DT and want continued quality music, we should do
everything in our power to promote and push for major success. or else they
may dissappear into obscurity like too many other great bands.
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:58:19 +0200
From: "Rudy van IJzendoorn" <rudy.van.ijzendoorn@tip.nl>
To: "Eye-Tsuh-Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Definition of Progressive music.....
Message-ID: <m0v0Pcy-000DlTC@parijs.tip.nl>
Hey Jammers,
Since I've been roaming around on the internet, I've found out that
my fav. band, DT, is considered to be progressive metal. Now, I've
listened to many forms of rock music throughout the years, including
Speed, Thrash, etc, but now there's one question that I'd like the an-
swer to: WHAT IS PROGRESSIVE MUSIC ???
I mean, can anyone give me a definition of what is considered to
be progressive music. I know that for example Rush, Marillion
Yes, and Kansas (for instance) are also considered to be
progressive, but in what terms are they?
I mean, is it because of the message in the lyrics, the form of
music they all play, or is it because they know how to tune their
instruments?
This must be a very silly question, I'm aware of that, and please don't
flame me about it, but I just wanna know why my fav. band is called
progressive.
Oh and Rick Terry, sorry about all that shit man, hope your wife
feels better soon.
U-dAZ
_______________________________________________________
"Pull Me Under, Pull Me Under, Pull Me Under, I'm Not Afraid"
"All That I Feel Is Honor And Spite, All I Can Do Is To Set It Right"
_______________________________________________________
Rudy van IJzendoorn - Under A Cyber Moon European DT Site
-=http://www1.tip.nl/users/t198275=-
judas@dreamt.org - judas@worldaccess.nl
rudy.van.ijzendoorn@tip.nl - U-dAZ on IRC!
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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 13:33:12 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: emails can work
Message-ID: <199609101137.OAA07120@pepe.online.ee>
'lo!
there was a request at a local radio station here (well, local on
the global scale, but it covers the whole country here) that people
would send emails as to say what they wanna hear on the radio. i send
one saying that "caught in a web" would do nicely. what do i hear
playin' on the radio the next day? you have two guesses, the first
one won't count. ;-)
raitz
How could I forget such a revelation
to love without fear and learn without question
how could I regret the meant occasions
I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 13:41:20 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: another labrie thread
Message-ID: <199609101137.OAA07153@pepe.online.ee>
>Hello..this is not a flame..but.. how can you think James was geof
>tate.. ithink they both have very recognizable and different voices...
>wait maybe you didnt specify it and you hadnt heard QR
well... the only thing i didn't specify was that it was 2 am and i
hadn't had sleep for two days so i think it's an excuse enough. by
the way, the vocals were the first thing why i finally began to
suspect something's "wrong". the songwriting came next, "the silent
mand" gave some food for thought and "the mirror" nailed it. but not
having heard queensryche previously... i'm in a good mood, thank god
:-)
ps. fates warning ("parallels") was awesome.
raitz
How could I forget such a revelation
to love without fear and learn without question
how could I regret the meant occasions
I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 7:59:30 CDT
From: Jay Runde <jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tape Tree
Message-ID: <199609101300.GAA25831@mindcrime.ax.com>
The tape tree is going to happen, but not as you thought. Instead of just
one of the Holiday shows, there are going to be 2 of them!!! :) The
other show is going to be from the 12/27 New London show also. The 12/27 show
is only 105 minutes long though, but who cares, it's DT!! Here's the set
list of the show:
Under a Glass Moon
The Mirror
Lie
Lifting Shadows off a Dream
Mini-Medley
Innocence Faded
Mini-Medley
Innocence Faded
A Change of Seasons
Surrounded
Voices
The Silent Man (electric)
Pull Me Under
Thanks go out to Andy Keegan for the seed for this show.
I will make and official announcement for the tree within the next
day or so, so please don't start the me too's.
--
James Runde - Glenayre One Glenayre Way Quincy, IL 62301
jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com
Compassion -- that's the one thing no machine ever had. Maybe it's
the one thing that keeps men ahead of them. -- McCoy, stardate 4731.3
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:11:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Miller <andym@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: YTSEJAM digest <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Tape tree for Conn home for holidays show
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.94.960910090815.22815A-100000@wicked.stigmata.org>
I am sure most people would be up for this including myself. I know you
can't pester a guy (brain cox) but when you spend about 15 bucks to get a
dub of a show you expect it to be done before 9 months have gone by. 9
months, that's a long time.... and it's my birthday today too. oh well.`
--andy
Andrew Miller Real people get mail from my other account,
andym@dreamt.org only there will you see the true signatures
--or-- of Andy Miller. Thanks go out to Ryan, for
ytsejam@Udel.Edu without him this .sig would not be possible.
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