YTSEJAM Digest 1816
Today's Topics:
1) The Inner Game of Music--book
by fitzhj39@SNYONEVA.CC.ONEONTA.EDU
2) Re: SDV and IF
by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
3) Missprints and other ramblings
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
4) nothing
by Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
5) Bad News and Good News.
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
6) Re: Newsweek welcomes you to your new home with some housewarming values...
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
7) jam post
by Stan <sstys@earthlink.net>
8) you did send that letter, right???
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
9) Re: A Letter To MTV From A Concerned Viewer.
by Kain <kain@caribe.net>
10) Re: conversions
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1814
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
12) Re: various qorking man
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
13) jam post
by Stan <sstys@earthlink.net>
14) Re: Cairo, keyboard bashing. (Please Read, it's my first one)
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
15) Re: Missprints and other ramblings
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
16) YTSEJAM digest 1815
by Big.Swifty@twav.com
17) missed something a few minutes back....
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
18) Prog rock radio show needs your help!!
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
19) Re: DT on MTV
by ichhi@matrix.mdn.com (Patrick Taylor)
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1812
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
21) various dt thoughts
by fba25110@centum.utulsa.edu (bruce forst)
22) is the list still up and running?
by "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
23) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1815
by GKerr4@aol.com
24) An Answer
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
25) woo!
by Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
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Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 20:01:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: fitzhj39@SNYONEVA.CC.ONEONTA.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Inner Game of Music--book
Hey everyone! I'm new to the list and this is my first time posting.
I was browsing the rsabbs.com DT page the other day and in the biography
section found out that John Petrucci's favorite book is entitled "The
Inner Game of Music." I would very much like to get a copy of this book
but have had no success in finding it. I have searched four local
college libraries with no luck. Could someone please tell me either the
author's name or where I might get a copy. Thanks.
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:43:31 -0400
From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: SDV and IF
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960909204007.41b7bcb4@pop3.liii.com>
Ytsejim said:
>OK, I knew they haven't played SDV...I should have said "IF is the only
>song they have played Live that i have not heard..."
>
They haven't played SDV live, but it can be heard at their concerts. Anyone
know where?
>Scarred has been played Twice in concert....The Malibu & Birch Hill shows
>from Christmas
Also at the 2nd New London show.
>
>I remember reading the FAQ, but don't remember it saying that they
>haven't played IF...
>So now my question is: "Have they Played IF?"
They played IF at the beginning of the AWAKE tour and also at the 1st New
London show.
Andy
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:55:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Missprints and other ramblings
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609092008.K6549-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
> Subject: conversions
>
> >Or a Bass Player?
Upon further thought about this one, I'd choose LSoaD and Scarred. Mmm,
tasty.
----> From: YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu> > Subject: Re: Innocence Faded > > I remember reading the FAQ, but don't remember it saying that they > haven't played IF... > So now my question is: "Have they Played IF?"
I inherited a FAQ that said the only songs never performed live were "A Vision," "Too Far," "Scarred," and "Space-Dye Vest." I removed Scarred from the list, but I assume that sometime before Jason's Version 4.0, they played IF.
Now... who's got a boot of it? :)
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> From: kurt@fgallery.com > Subject: various qorking man > > In what bands are the following people.. id greatly apreciate an > answer.. > > Jack Russell,Mike Baker,Dean Castronovo, and james murphy
Great White, Shadow Gallery, almost anyone you can think of, and Testament (with others beforehand).
> also i have to ask.. does geddy do that "wooowowwww wowwowwww" on the > original Natural Science..because devin townsend really sucks.. :)
No way! :)
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> From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> > Subject: Speaking of Bafu > > Speaking of Bafu, where the hell is he? Has anybody heard from him? I know > Ben is still around, but where is Bafu? And what, I am not up there in the > anals of ytsecomedy? Shit, I might have to get to work.
You know what? I'll just let someone else reply to this one. :)
*p00p*
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Here's hoping that the Eagles lose tonight. The Giants need all the help in their division they can get. :)
3 hours till I have my own copy of TfE in my fists. Boo-yaa. Life is good.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:56:42 -0500 From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu> To: The Wank Tank <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: nothing Message-ID: <v01540b0aae5a78e74d92@bootp-246-17.bootp.virginia.edu>
Neil Gallop writes: > Fuck Dream Theater on Conan O'Brian. > > Fuck Dream Theater on David Letterman. > > Fuck Dream Theater on Jay Leno. > > Fuck Dream Theater on MTV.
I think Neil has a slightly different direction that he wants the Theater to go into... but hey, to each his own.
D-Man writes: > I still have tears in my eyes from laughing.
Ha, ha. I made The Digital Man cry. And he wistfully quoted the Bafu passage... I think he's been away from Bafu wayyy too long, if you know what I mean.
Damon (welcome back, BTW) writes: > And what, I am not up there in the anals of ytsecomedy? ^^^^^
You would be if you weren't always talking out of your ass. <grin>
Scott.
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:15:11 +0000 From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bad News and Good News. Message-ID: <199609100115.UAA19831@enteract.com>
Rick! I didn't know your wife was even hurt! I guess I don't hang with you on IRC enough. But I don't want you to disconnect because of cash. I would be happy to foot the bill for your ISP for a while. You can pay me back when I meet you at the NEXT Con. Please consider. I don't want to lose a frequent poster... even though it's not my list. I just don't like hearing about a jammer-tragedy, or a jammer in need. We could even get a fund together... Rick's ISP Jam fund... (okay, so I'm going overboard... still consider my offer)
Paco, Al and John are TOURING?!?!? Where can I find concert dates!?!? Whoever wrote that, if you're a guitarist into shred, go out and buy Live in San Fran. or Passion Grace and Fire (by the three) TRUST ME, YOU WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED! If you know of some place I can get concert dates PLEASE let me know.
Chris. No Sig. Less Spam. Same great waste.
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 21:30:46 EDT From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Newsweek welcomes you to your new home with some housewarming values... Message-ID: <9609100130.AA30134@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Why can't I drive? You really don't want to know that one. Someday, I will tell you all my driving experiences. I mean, you really don't want me on the road. Ask the state trooper that found me on the turnpike in a car with no gas. Believe me, he learned the hard way. someday, I will reveal all, and if you all care to know this story, I will post it, upon Skadz approval, of course.
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Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 21:31:53 -0400 From: Stan <sstys@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: jam post Message-ID: <3234C509.6E1F@earthlink.net>
you wrote > Jack Russell,Mike Baker,Dean Castronovo, and james murphy > James Murphy is still in testament I believe Deen Castronovo was with Ozzy, who was replaced by Randy Castillo(Ozzys old drummer) who was just replaced By Mike Bordin of Faith no More
hope this answers some questions for you.
stan
ohh yeah, I don't know what Deen is actually doing now, sorry.
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:29:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: you did send that letter, right??? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.960909212636.25260A-100000@qix.rs.itd.umich.edu>
yeah, I'm talking to/about Scotch.....please say you did send that magnificent piece of journalism to MTV....i'd love to see whatever reply they made.....that was HILLARIOUS!!
maybe you could do a companion piece aimed at rolling stone or something....just a thought.... oh, and thanks for the tips on Paco, something to look forward to, for sure.... partha
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Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 21:32:49 -0400 From: Kain <kain@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: A Letter To MTV From A Concerned Viewer. Message-ID: <3234C541.4B33@caribe.net>
LOL! man this mtv letter kicks ass. To the guy who did it. Man send it! NOW! -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | "Best way to love anything, is keeping in mind you might lose it." | | "Spread before me is my soul, I'm learning to live." Dream Theater | | mailto:kain@caribe.net | | Visit the official page of the world's best band, Dream Theater at | | http://www.rsabbs.com/dt | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 21:34:38 EDT From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: conversions Message-ID: <9609100134.AA16161@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Weird story coming from the blind guy's fingers:
I am a keys player as most of the ytse-vets know, but I was turned on to DT by a drum solo. Is this strange? I was with my friend, we were going to the Whiz for something, I forget what, and he was driving, of course. We turned on the college radio station, and I heard something that sounded like Neil Peart, and being a Rush fan, had to listen, but I soon discovered that it was not Neil Peart, but it sounded like him. Sure enough, the rest of ytsejam came on and I was totally hooked, from the drum solo, without ever hearing Kevin's keyboards once. Bought everything I could get my hands on. so, don't just assume you have to find songs for one's particular instrument, a keyboard player can get hooked on a bass thing or guitar thing or drum thing or singing thing, or whatever.
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 21:36:20 EDT From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1814 Message-ID: <9609100136.AA23201@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
That would be me, the guy who asked for the ride. I think Bloomfield is not near where I am, but thanks for the offer.
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 21:39:25 EDT From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: various qorking man Message-ID: <9609100139.AA17310@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
No, Geddy doesn't do that wowowowowowo thing on Natural Science. Devin decided to embellish. I hope he's not reading the list. I say we find this guy and rip out his vocal cords and parade his carcass through the streets in celebration of his untimely retirement from singing. :)(
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Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 21:41:59 -0400 From: Stan <sstys@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: jam post Message-ID: <3234C767.225@earthlink.net>
> Metallica changed when Cliff departed and Jason arrived. don't get > me wrong, I am not knocking Jason, as a fellow bass player I think > he's not too bad. But as most Metallica fans know Jason's first real > musical input was on the Black album, I think he only contributed > very little to AJFA. I believe that the line-up change also brought > about a change in style etc. Oh well, just some ramblings. >
to be exact newsteds only credited input on AJFA was on Blackened. also I read in an interview that after the recording of that album james and lars decided to mix all of the bass out of the final mix with out letting newsted know. This was a test to see if he would stay with the band. To me that is pretty childish on their part since the AJFA songs that they play live are driven very hard by the bass. But what do you expect as metallica was always the Hetfield/Ulrich experiance.
cheers,
stan
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 21:41:54 EDT From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Cairo, keyboard bashing. (Please Read, it's my first one) Message-ID: <9609100141.AA02437@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Well, in Rush, except for on tour when they have to use them for older songs, Geddy has all but thrown his keyboards away. You know, Geddy, if you aren't using those anymore, I'd be glad to take them from you, especially your Oberheim OB keyboards ...
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 21:49:22 EDT From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Missprints and other ramblings Message-ID: <9609100149.AA00364@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Firstly, D-man, the giants need more help, like all the teams in that division moving to another division so that the Giants will be the last and only team left. Don't flame me, I am disappointed in the Giants, too. And that's all.
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Date: 9 Sep 1996 20:42:34 CDT From: Big.Swifty@twav.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1815 Message-ID: <199609100148.SAA14799@mindcrime.ax.com>
YT>Speaking of Bafu, where the hell is he? Has anybody heard from him? I know YT>Ben is still around, but where is Bafu? And what, I am not up there in the YT>anals of ytsecomedy? Shit, I might have to get to work. !!^^^^^!!
I certainly hope not;)
Mark Peters big.swifty@twav.com
5 CD's I'm not currently playing - 1. Men At Work - Business As Usual 2. Bad 4 Good - Refugee 3. Rod Stewart - Unplugged And Seated 4. Z - Music For Pets 5. Lionel Richie - Can't Slow Down
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:49:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: missed something a few minutes back.... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.960909214322.25260B-100000@qix.rs.itd.umich.edu>
Hey Rick, just wanted to add my thoughts to the stream flowing from this quadrant of the net....here's hoping for the best for Sue (and yourself) and a speedy recovery.....
partha
ps1: looks like a buncha folx beat me to lauding Scotch's letter....maybe i should read all the waiting jams before writing??
ps2: hey kevin....USA or Canada? You mean there's any doubt? Canada, of course, without question, indisputably, indubitably and in every other way is gonna beat the US team.....and even though i'm American, lemme tell you how happy that's gonna make me.....GO CANADA!!
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 21:58:07 EDT From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Prog rock radio show needs your help!! Message-ID: <9609100158.AA31860@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
I do a prog rock radio show, and need some suggestions for bands and record companies to check out. If you have a record company's phone number that I can call, please send it, if you have a band that I may not know, let me know. I already know about Magna Carta. I already have the Superior CD. If your band has a CD, please get in touch with me, I want to promote your band in New Jersey. My email addresses are:
s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu damon@dreamt.org damon@cafebbs.com
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:05:26 -0500 (GMT-0500) From: ichhi@matrix.mdn.com (Patrick Taylor) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT on MTV Message-ID: <199609100305.WAA11762@decker.mdn.com>
>Well im up for it.. what will you guys say in your letter (kinda) so ill >know how to express my thoughts!! :)
I hope this was meant to be ironic, don'tcha think?
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:10:37 +0000 From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1812 Message-ID: <199609100310.WAA27938@enteract.com>
Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu> You are a god. I'm half tempted to cut/paste/send that message! -Chris
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:14:17 -0700 (PDT) From: fba25110@centum.utulsa.edu (bruce forst) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: various dt thoughts Message-ID: <199609100314.UAA16692@mindcrime.ax.com>
Its interesting how you would play different dt songs depending on the instrument they play, but what if they don't play an instrument, or maybe just a kazoo....
I would definetly play CiaW to convert a kazoo player.
but what about those guys who already have a band they would die for, like the guy who would plunge a rusty nail through your skull the minute you said Rush wasn't the greatest band ever; or how about the jazz guys,or heaven forbid.... a metallica lover:)
About DT on PBS... how about during the telethon, convert all those John Tesh/Yanni fans and help out public television to boot.
couldn't we just subscribe MTv to the Ytsejam?
1st post:not last: bruce buy echolyn
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 23:16:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: is the list still up and running? Message-ID: <199609100316.XAA00646@atl1.america.net>
I've not been getting the list in a week or so, and I did not unsub from it, so, I guess if this gets on it, could I please be readded? thanks
(don't have any other addresses to send this to, so sorry for the junky message.) Beavis (Wes Foll) /| / ||\ / || \ ______________ _ ______ _ __ __ //| || \\_____ _____| ||___ // |\ \/ / //_| || \ | || || | | || |/ ///|| \ / / __ || |\ \ | || || |__| || <//_|| / \ / / | || | \ \| || || __ || |\ \__ |/ /\ \ /_/ |_||_| \ || || | |_||_|/\ \ || / \_\ \ || ||/ \_\||/ \ ||/ \| "What is, is. What is not, is not. What is is, and is not, is is, and is not."
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 23:30:42 -0400 From: GKerr4@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1815 Message-ID: <960909233016_1477203487@emout11.mail.aol.com>
Please delete me from mailing list.
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:35:20 +0000 From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: An Answer Message-ID: <199609100335.WAA29877@enteract.com>
> In what bands are the following people.. id greatly apreciate an > answer.. (and a spelling/grammar checker, right? J/K)
> Jack Russell Great White. (Swear it!)
>Mike Baker Shadow Gallery
>Dean Castronovo Ozzy, and a lot of Shrapnel records releases (available anywhere, but they are guitar oriented albums)
>james murphy About 20% of all death metal albums (Yes, I'm exaggerating), the last 2 Testament albums I believe, and a recent solo album. His own band Disincarnate is GREAT. Like a not-sloppy Slayer kinda thing. Chris
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:39:07 -0700 From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: woo! Message-ID: <199609100339.UAA12441@m5.sprynet.com>
>Seems that Tempus has taken up the reins on this one. Do a good job, man!
NO! He's doing #ytsejam. I want the Ytsejam. :)
>> Hey, guys. I respect the MTV thing, but let's think really hard. Do we want >> that really lame pooor excuse for a television station that used to play >> videos but now shows more stupid shows like singled out to publicize Dream >> Theater so that the 45 I.Q. and under kids can make them the next trend? >
Oh, come on!!!! People my age aren't THAT stupid. They don't like everything. I really do think that DT WOULDN'T become the next dumbass trend. I think that getting reasonable airplay would just let the people who would normally like DT discover them....meaning that if you don't read lots of musician magazines, or blind picking in the CD store it'd be pretty hard to discover DT. MTV airplay would just help bring the good fans in. Every single person I know that watches MTV doesn't like SOMEthing. Not all teenagers are lemmings. :) (as much as picturing that in my mind makes me giggle, they're not)
>Besides, Operation:Revolution didn't work last year, and that was >fucking widespread, and aimed at an already "mainstream" band - Queensryche.
The unfortunate truth is that not many people like Dream Theater. What do we really have to complain about, though? Why do we need them to get played on the radio? We have the CD's and videos. And I really do think that even though they're not on TV every other minute that their fan base is quite a bit larger than we think. In conclusion, we don't really need airplay. I've played DT for "normal" MTV watching teenagers. They hated it. They don't have the time, and music isn't a high enough priority for them to even WANT to get into DT. It's not a crime.
>MATT NO LONGER LIVES AT THIS ADDRESS, PLEASE SUSPEND ALL EMAIL >MESSAGES...
heeheehee. What do you MEAN you don't like 5 25K messages a day in your mailbox about a band you've never heard of? :-) eh eh eh eh
> > To: MTV <feedback@mtv.com> >From: Scott Herman <anthem@virginia.edu>
Holy shit that was GREAT. You did send that to them, didn't you?
>All right, I got your point. But MTV is corporate. They don't care what's >good, just what sells.
See? What sells is the same thing that the majority of people want. So, when they play what sells...people are happy. Also, if MTV only played stuff that we liked, they'd be kinda...out of business right now.
Ben Laussade
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