YTSEJAM Digest 1819
Today's Topics:
1) Cairo/Magellan
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
2) The Inner Game of Music
by "Scott R. Daugherty" <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu>
3) Birch Hill
by rwarren@memphisonline.com
4) Re: James' voice
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
5) Magic of the 'Jam/Baltimore Awake Show
by Mau-Tze <jmoury@wam.umd.edu>
6) RE: The Quest for new music...
by Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
7) Re: Fates!
by acook@tiac.net (acook)
8) *** Dream Theater Tree ***
by James Runde <darwin@monolith.bcl.net>
9) Re: (U)My autoreplies
by skooc@earthlink.net
10) Re: Innocence Faded?
by skooc@earthlink.net
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1811
by skooc@earthlink.net
12) David Lee Roth fired!
by skooc@earthlink.net
13) Working Men.....
by BLevy@aol.com
14) Kevin Moore demos.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
15) Re: Devon
by shields@onr.com (Jim Shields)
16) need info about Genesis boot
by skooc@earthlink.net
17) Re: Ramblings from the Outhouse
by Special Dark boy <belhai@drew.edu>
18) Re: Innocence Faded
by Special Dark boy <belhai@drew.edu>
19) Re: Magic of the 'Jam/Baltimore Awake Show
by Special Dark boy <belhai@drew.edu>
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 11:58:58 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Cairo/Magellan
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+OvMBmA@tcx.tcco.com>
Well, I saved $50 by NOT buying the Tyson/Seldon "fight" and bought some new
CD's. Cairo and Magellan were...well...horrible. I thought they might be a
bit like Shadow Gallery (which I love), but they were both very weak.
Threshold on the other hand was pretty good. Sounds a bit like the newer
Metal Church at times, but overall, they rock.
PS - USA will sweep the Canadians in the World Cup of Hockey finals
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:03:24 -0500 (EDT)
From: "Scott R. Daugherty" <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Inner Game of Music
Message-ID: <199609101603.MAA12389@homer.louisville.edu>
Hello-
To the person who asked about The Inner Game of Music:
This is a book written by Barry Green. It was published by Anchor Press,
Garden City, N.Y., 1986.
The book deals with the problems of performing publicly and how to
overcome them. It is based on another book called The Inner Game of Tennis
by Timothy Gallwey, which I just began reading. Don't let the title mislead
you, TIGo Tennis does not only benefit tennis players. The principles which
are taught can have an impact on many aspects of your life, including self-
esteem and unlocking the abilities present in us which we often supress.
I have heard that so many musicians, classical musicians mostly,
because of the psychological rigors of performing, were reading TIGo Tennis
that Barry Green decided to write a similar book specifically about music,
thus TIGo Music.
If anyone wants to read either one I got TIGoT from my college book
store. You may have more luck finding TIGoM at your local college Music
library instead of the book store.
Hope this helped,
Scott Daugherty
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:25:00 -0500
From: rwarren@memphisonline.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Birch Hill
Message-ID: <199609101625.LAA23477@ford.socomm.net>
I have read alot about the Birch Hill tape. Is there any way I can get a
copy of it?
Thanks,
Richard Warren
rwarren@memphisonline.com
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:43:21 -0700
From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: James' voice
Message-ID: <199609101643.JAA05517@ichips.intel.com>
Ben said:
>I think I figured it out. James shows off in the wrong ways (and showing off
>ain't a bad thing). Take Mariah Carey for instance....she's got a fucking
>huge range....but when she sings, she adds tons of embellishments and
>schtuff. James doesn't really so much. Moreso live, but I like to hear that
>kind of improvisational stuff on studio recordings too. Now, I don't mean
>that James should sing like Mariah Carey....but if your instrument is going
>to be out in the front of the band, and vocals almost always are, then make
>it a little wacky. :)
I just wanted to offer a dissenting opinion and say that I prefer the
opposite: James' embellishments just get a bit too annoying for my
taste, and in my opinion is one of the reasons he has a rather poor
reputation for a live performer (not that I agree with this sentiment,
but I've heard it said alot). I much prefer the clean, pure voice that
is prevalent on the studio albums (particularly I&W), and wish he would
stay under control like this in a live setting (this isn't to say he
doesn't come up with some nice surprises live; that note on UaGM that
he sings an octave higher is pretty cool...)
So I think it's just a matter of opinion and taste, Ben. Of course, I
hope this doesn't come across as criticism (as I don't think your posts
have been). I still think he's the best vocal performer out there today
(yes, even better than Geoff Tate, who IMHO has been hurt by cigarettes
and age).
-- Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE?------------------------------
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:37:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Mau-Tze <jmoury@wam.umd.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Magic of the 'Jam/Baltimore Awake Show Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.960910142301.8704A-100000@rac7.wam.umd.edu>
> From: Mau-Tze <jmoury@wam.umd.edu> > info here and whatnot....When walking around the University of > Maryland campus, the usual reaction is squinting, of all things. As > if the person is not sure if their eyes are in proper working order > when trying to read 'ytsejam', but it was nice to finally have someone > say they've even heard of Dream Theater much less want to subscribe > to the jam...I think this about covers it for now...
Yeah I'm responding to my own post....bad form I know, but hey... So..I typed that post this morning, sent it and left the computer lab.....wearing my Home For the Holidays shirt. I cross the street and to my surprise..someone says "Hey!!! Dream Theater! I haven't seen any Dream Theater fans here before..." Whoah...I post re: lack of DT fans at UMCP and run right into one....Then: A few hours later I am going to the computer lab to check my mail (and as it turns out post this note..) and *someone else* says "Don't see too many Dream Theater fans on campus here...everyone I ask says 'never heard of them' but I'm like 'they're the best band in the world!' " Yow. Now. perhaps posting this will bring more out of the woodwork, I'll post about that, bringing more into existence and pretty soon we'll have another 10,000 or so fans here in UMCP. Then we'll change the name to UMDT and....
> From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> > Wow! There is actually a DT related thread. > > I know for a fact that DT played IF at the Pittsburgh show in November > 1994. I have this show on tape (although shoddy quality). I was pissed > though since 2 days later at the Baltimore show they did not play IF!
As I said in an earlier post, the Baltimore Awake show was in October 27, 1994 (Iknow the date from memory, and still have the ticket stub for reference...) and I thought they DID play it. I remember thinking that the only songs from Awake that they didn't play were SDV and Scarred. Not that my setlist memory is magnificient.....;-)
Jon. (aka Mau-Tze on #ytsejam) "I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV." # # Rush*PinkFloyd*DreamTheater*IronMaiden*King Crimson*ELP # # I'm calm. I'm directed. I'm..Jon Moury (jmoury@wam.umd.edu) ### ### "Higher conciousness through harder contact (tm)" ### ### Life isn't just cheap: it's in the way! #### #### There are forty people in this .sig. None of them can be seen. # # # Vivat Grendel. # # # #
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:47:10 -0400 From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net> To: c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu Cc: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: The Quest for new music... Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960910184710.006791fc@ee.net>
Please look at the following web sites for more info:
http://web2.airmail.net/corey/ http://www-cse.ucsd.edu/users/bruss/Metal/Metal.html http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html
Each of these has pretty good reviews, sound samples, and links to other web pages.
I don't alway agree with all the information on all these pages, but they are good starting points for shopping ideas.
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:36:17 -0400 From: acook@tiac.net (acook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Fates! Message-ID: <199609101936.PAA15347@zork.tiac.net>
>Hello all, > I'm a Dream Theater fan who has been in isolation for the past >3 years, thinking that I was one of the few people in the world who like DT. >When I got aol though, I discovered a "progressive metal" message board, and >found others who liked DT, and they told me about ytsejam.....so here I am. >Anyway, the point is, I've heard several people talk about Fates Warning, so >I went out and bought the album "Chasing Time". Well, I hate to say, but I >think it sucks. I could be wrong, maybe it will grow on me or something.
Well, As everybody knows, I'm a Fates Warning nut (Parallels on IRC = me). First of all, Chasing Time is a compilation. No offense or anything, but if you didn't know that then I don't think you really listened to it enough to give it a chance, considering there are two different singers and each album has a different style. The thing about Fates is that they're like DT. Except for their first album, nobody sounds like them. Some songs are very DT like however. At Fates Fingers even has Kevin Moore on keys!
Something a lot of people do is just surface listen. They listen to the riff and the melody. But the great thing about bands like DT and Fates is that there's much more than that. There are harmonized parts between guitars, keys, and bass. You might an odd meter thrown in to spice things up. Different grooves between the bass and guitar riff. Fates Warning I believe is one of only a couple bands I've heard that TRULY takes advantage of having two guitars. They almost never play the same thing. My favorite examples are Monument and the 11th hour.
That's all I have to offer for now. Ciao.
Adam Cook acook@tiac.bet visit me at, http://www.tiac.net/users/com (hard hat construction area!)
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:56:48 -0600 (GMT-0600) From: James Runde <darwin@monolith.bcl.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: *** Dream Theater Tree *** Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609101356.A27069-0100000@monolith>
SHOWS BEING TREED: The shows being treed are the 12/27/95 and 12/30/95 New London Dream Theater shows. The 12/27 show is about 105 minutes and the 12/30 show is about 115 minutes. Here is the set list for both shows:
12/27 Wake Up! (intro) -> Under a Glass Moon -> The Mirror/Lie -> Lifting Shadows Off a Dream -> Mini Medley (The Rover, Killers, Damage Inc., In the Flesh, and Hear of the Sunrise) -> Innocence Faded -> ACOS -> Surrounded -> Voices -> Silent Man (Electrical) and Pull Me Under
12/30 Wake Up! (intro) -> 6:00 -> Caught in a Web -> Lie -> Lifting Shadows off a Dream -> Guitar Solo -> Scarred -> Surrouded -> Keys Solo -> Erotomanis (w/drum solo) -> Voices -> Silent Man -> Pull Me Under -> Encore Perfect Strangers.
TREE INFORMATION: Here are the following type of people I am looking for. A dubber should be able to do dubs for a maximum of 4 people .
- D>D: I will make digital clones of this show for n people.
- D>A: I will make analog tapes, from DAT, of this show for n people.
- A>A: I will make analog copies, from an analog copy, of this show for n people. - AL I do not have any dubbin capabilities.
HOW DO I APPLY?
The ONLY way to apply is to send an email message to me: darwin@bcl.net.
Your subject MUST BE one of the following three. 'n' is where you put how many people you can spin for, and if left blank, defaults to 4. 1 person = 3 analog tapes, or 2 60m DATs since we are doing 2 shows. If you only want one of shows, I may be able to work something out.
DT D>nD DT D>nA DT A>nA DT AL
For example, if you have analog dubbing capabilities and you honestly have time to spin tapes for 5 people, your subject would be: DT A>5A.
Please fill out this form as your application. Send just it, not this entire message, or your application dies. If your address (both street and email) will be changing within 2 months, PROVIDE AN ALTERNATIVE ADDRESS AS WELL. If you don't know it yet, neither do I, so don't apply. Closing date for applications is 9/16/96.
If for some reason you do not fulfill your dubbing obligtions within a reasonable period of time, you will NEVER be allowed in a tree that I administer.
CUT HERE: ========================================== -First and Last Name -Street address -City, State, ZIP -e-mail address - - If D>D: : Can you totally defeat SCMS? (i.e., clones are 00 regardless of input) : One more time, for how many PEOPLE can you spin this show? -or If D>A: : What brand/model is your analog deck? : Is your analog deck 2 or 3 heads? : One more time, for how many PEOPLE can you spin this show? -or If A>A: : Do you have a single, dual-well dubbing deck? If so, answer the next 2 questions :Do you PROMISE not to use high-speed dubbing? :Do you PROMISE not to let it auto-reverse? : What brand/model is your deck(s)? : How many heads are on the recordig deck? : One more time, for how many PEOPLE can you spin this show? -or IF AL : The only reason to become an analog leaf, is if you have no dubbing capabilities.
- Comments/Questions, please ask ========================================== CUT HERE
Jay darwin@bcl.net http://www.bcl.net/~darwin
Team Internet 96: http://www.netjammer.com/TI/
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:18:07 -0700 (PDT) From: skooc@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: (U)My autoreplies Message-ID: <199609102018.NAA15605@andorra.it.earthlink.net>
>I just got back from two days in Scarborough, England, three days in London >and three days in Paris. Scarborough was a wedding, then just some kick around >time. For you jammers who live in these countries, I envy you! I'd take >waiting longer for Dream Theater any day if I got to live in one of these >cities.Jammers, if you EVER have the slightest chance to go, DO IT! It was my >4th time to Europe and I'm still amazed!
I know what you mean, I was in Germany, the Netherlands and France in April and totally fell in love with these countries, I especially enjoyed Paris. All the history in that city was amazing! To see Notre Dame and realize that this place is over 800 years old. If that would've been built in this Decase it would have been considered a masterpiece.
How is this DT related? DT has played in Paris, so there you are! ;)
Scott
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:18:14 -0700 (PDT) From: skooc@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Innocence Faded? Message-ID: <199609102018.NAA15613@andorra.it.earthlink.net>
At 09:20 AM 9/9/96 -0700, you wrote: >well at least i havent seen any ..i think that song is not played live.. >right along there with SDV.. and scarred i think ..if im wrong >corrections are welcome..
Scarred was played live during the x-mas shows; but SDV has never been done live, probably because it's Kevin's song and they don't want to pay him for covering it.
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:18:12 -0700 (PDT) From: skooc@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1811 Message-ID: <199609102018.NAA15611@andorra.it.earthlink.net>
At 08:52 AM 9/9/96 -0700, you wrote: >> Guys and gals: Don't buy Cairo. Please. and the reply was >>FYI, Cairo doesn't suck. They are a really good band that happens to have an excellent keyboardist but also has a very good guitar player.
[the rest was mercifully snipped]
who cares about Cairo? Unles of course you're planning a vacation to Egypt and want some recommendations on where to stay, etc. Some people and the grouups they listen to.......... I say I don't like shoadow gallery and get fucking reamed, now this crap with cairo! ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!! Not everybody is gonna like everything, just let it go already. Maybe the beginnin of the diegst should read "Welcome to the People's Republic of Ytsejam. These are our likes and dislikes, and they should be yours to."
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:50:23 -0700 (PDT) From: skooc@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: David Lee Roth fired! Message-ID: <199609102050.NAA17533@andorra.it.earthlink.net>
For those of us here who are also VH fans, regardless of what Derelect Daivd Lee Roth said on Howard Stern's show yesterday (I only heard about :10 of it) Eddie DID fire Dave after his appearance on the MTV VMA last week. Sometimes payback can be a real bitch.
Scott
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 17:57:30 -0400 From: BLevy@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Working Men..... Message-ID: <960910175728_475820978@emout17.mail.aol.com>
I really hate to admit my ignorance, but I guess my admission will be the beginning of the cure....
Can someone please e-mail me (or the jam if so inclined) a run down of who on the 'Working Man' tribute is from what bands. I know that someone else just asked about a few, but I really don't know who most of these guys are (like who the hell is Mike Portnoy & John Petrucci ;) ). ^^
And to the guy who was slamming Cairo, Thanx!!! I like keys so next trip to the CD store, I may pick a copy up!!
Man, I just love "Damaged" !!!!!!!
L8R, Brian
In CD Player--Queensryche--Promised Land
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 17:58:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Kevin Moore demos. Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960910175645.19493A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
hiya, kids. just a quick reminder:
those who wish to get copies of kevin moore's "music meant to be heard" should e-mail me so that we can get the info straight away and you can have your copies of the demos!@
so, test for echo is currently in my cd player. i like it, but it's not as good as i had hoped. it's very guitar heavy, but it seems like there is something missing. don't know what it is _YET_, but i'll know soon enough.
bye.
----------------------------------------------- Michael B. Ostrich - musical advisor/consultant email: syrinx@dreamt.org syrinx@wicked.stigmata.org syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu
"..when i look back on the past, it's a wonder i'm not yet extinct. all the the mistakes and bad judgements i made nearly pushed me to the brink. it doesn't pay to be too nice, it's the one thing i have learned. still, i make my fossil bed, now i toss and turn." - adrian belew.
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 17:06:00 -0600 From: shields@onr.com (Jim Shields) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Devon Message-ID: <v01530500ae5ba2f2e84b@[206.104.9.2]>
Why does everyone seem to hate devon townsend? He is one of my favorite singers, and Sex and Religion is one of my favorite albums. Devon has a grrreat range; he can screech like his nuts were put in a blender (Survive, Down Deep into the Pain) and sing with a great, solid voice (Rescue Me or Bury Me). He is really versatile, and I think some of you guys give him too much shit. By the way, a G3 tour date was announced for San Antonio Tuesday. The date is October 18 at Sunken Garden Theater. I can't wait! I gotta go, the Simpsons are coming on in a few! 'Lates!
Jim Shields Guitar/backup vocals ROOM 213 Health Careers Chapter National Honor Society Vice President Student Council 2nd Vice President
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:03:06 -0700 (PDT) From: skooc@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: need info about Genesis boot Message-ID: <199609102203.PAA04019@serbia.it.earthlink.net>
I know there are some Genesis fans on here and I had a question:
I have on audio the "From one fan to all others" boot. I had all the info on file and my HD crashed and all my files went to the great PC in the sky. If anyone could email me the info on there (the shows, songlists if possibe) I'd greatly appreciate it.
Scott
Also, any information on the release of the upcoming box set would be great too!
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 18:10:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Special Dark boy <belhai@drew.edu> To: the cool people <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Ramblings from the Outhouse Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.960910180917.587245246C-100000@drew.edu>
> Yeah...I seem to remember hearing them play it when I saw them at > Hammerjacks, Oct. 27, 1994. No wait...according to my ticket stub > I saw 'Dream Theatre'...sorry wrong band....but they did do some > amazing DT covers...for the entire show..:-)
Wait a sec. I went to this show and if I remember correctly, they DID NOT play IF. Can anybody that went to this show give a definite answer?
Brandon
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 18:15:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Special Dark boy <belhai@drew.edu> To: the cool people <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Innocence Faded Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.960910181428.587245246D-100000@drew.edu>
> I know for a fact that DT played IF at the Pittsburgh show in November > 1994. I have this show on tape (although shoddy quality). I was pissed > though since 2 days later at the Baltimore show they did not play IF!
That's funny. I have a video of the Pittsburgh show (10/29/94) and they did not play IF.
Brandon
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 18:22:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Special Dark boy <belhai@drew.edu> To: the cool people <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Magic of the 'Jam/Baltimore Awake Show Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.960910181932.587245246F-100000@drew.edu>
> Yeah I'm responding to my own post....bad form I know, but hey... > So..I typed that post this morning, sent it and left the computer > lab.....wearing my Home For the Holidays shirt. I cross the street > and to my surprise..someone says "Hey!!! Dream Theater! I haven't > seen any Dream Theater fans here before..." Whoah...I post re: > lack of DT fans at UMCP and run right into one....Then: A few
UMCP had two die-hard DT fan on campus 2 years ago (Elliott Kim and myself). But then I transferred. But Drew ain't so bad with respect to DT. I know quite a few people (including my roomate) who like DT.
Brandon
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