YTSEJAM Digest 1829
Today's Topics:
1) Lemur Voice
by Jeff Stewart <stewaj01@condor.stcloud.msus.edu>
2) posting like a mofo, rush date
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
3) i'm sorry, i just have to add this...
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
4) G3 tour
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
5) the DLR situation (NDTC)
by skooc@earthlink.net
6) Catching up and the letter to MTV
by Kain <kain@caribe.net>
7) Profound TFE quotes
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
8) Teach
by "Kevin Donnelly" <KDonnelly@vines.ColoState.EDU>
9) Re: Hmmm....
by Kain <kain@caribe.net>
10) Re: Hmmm....
by Kain <kain@caribe.net>
11) James on Japan PPV
by sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
12) Say NO to YtseSpam! >:)
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
13) RE: Some crap to read
by blane@nla.gov.au
14) Weeeeeee! Big fun!
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
15) Mercyful Fate live
by vanzin@infinity.com.br
16) Working Man recall
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
17) Some things....(even DTC!!!!!!!)
by BLevy@aol.com
18) Unsolved mysteries, Rush praise, YCSRF
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:07:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jeff Stewart <stewaj01@condor.stcloud.msus.edu>
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Lemur Voice
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.960912160553.29475A-100000@condor.stcloud.msus.edu>
Greetings all!
I just picked up the Lemur Voice album "Insights" at the local Media Play
and am listening to it right now. I just have 2 words to say about it
right now:
BUY THIS!!
Thank you.
_____________________________________________________________________________
Jeff Stewart (AKA Remo) |"For the first time in a long time
remo@dreamt.org | Everything was right in my world
stewaj01@condor.stcloud.msus.edu | And then I woke up..."
stewaj01@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu | --Dream Theater
http://condor.stcloud.msus.edu/~stewaj01|
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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:05:55 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: posting like a mofo, rush date
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960912210555.006b0124@mail.inlink.com>
>
>AFAIK, there are about 750 Ytsejammers... Does it seem right if only
>two guys take up half the bandwidth ? I don't think so. I'm sorry if
>I sound BItchy, but I'm neither amused nor impressed...
>
i dont mind seeing someone post a lot for certain reasons, but if the only
reason someone sends a bunch of posts instead of one is just to get a most
frequent poster spot then it DOES start to bother me.
from what i understand damon uses text-to-speech so he cant really group all
his responses at once reading each little section he wants to reply to
individually when he's ready to write, so no bitch there...
lets just try and keep it to that, cuz i think the most frequent poster list
is a fun thing, but it shouldnt be a competition... well at least not at
measures where people fill half the jam with their posts. nothing against
anyone who does it, i'm not going to hold a grudge to anyone, just think it
through first.
>
>Hey, I just heard on the radio in St. Louis (K-SHE 95) that the Oct. 31
>date for the Rush tour is happening at the Kiel Center. I believe
>tickets for it go on sale Sept. 21 (though I may be wrong on that
>part). I'll very likely be there. Have a nice day...
TRICK OR FUCKIN' TREAT!!!!!!!!!! I'll BE THERE! Looks like we're gettin a
fancy treat this halloween :)
~Rip
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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:19:40 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: i'm sorry, i just have to add this...
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960912211940.006cab28@mail.inlink.com>
>
> TORI AMOS: INSIDE THE STORM IS NOW SOLD OUT.
DAMN!!!!!!! <whines> WHY do i have to be such a procrastinator? for all
of you who have one paid for, you damn lucky bastards, ENJOY THAT DISC!
hehe, ok i'm finished
~Rip
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Date: 12 Sep 96 13:04:54 -0700
From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: G3 tour
Message-ID: <199609122131.OAA28246@mailsun2.us.oracle.com>
Any Bay Area jammers planning on going to the G3 concert in San francisco?
Please email me privately if you're interested in a pre/post show get-together!
Thanks!
-Neil.
nevans@us.oracle.com
"Put your message in a modem
And throw it in the Cyber Sea..."
--> Neil Peart, 'Virtuality' <--
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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:48:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: the DLR situation (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199609122148.OAA07537@andorra.it.earthlink.net>
Hi,
For the few of you that are also in Van Halen, this is info I got from a
reliable source about the next VH singer. He is a person in the music
business who pretty much has good info. He predicted that Sammy would leave
shortly before the announcement was made. So with that in mind, here's what
was said about the future of VH.
>Well, my info is that last Friday there was a meeting at 5150
>where it was decided that Dave will not be working with the
>band anymore. Dave was supposedly at this meeting. I
>assumed that Monday's Howard Stern appearance would
>feature a full testimony by Dave and he didn't say a thing.
>
>I think that he may be humoring Ed and hoping that the
>GH sells like crazy and Ed changes his mind. I think
>that it's pretty much a lock with Cherone, though. He
>flew back to Boston the day of the MTV VMA after a
>little over a week of staying with Ed. I'd say it's a done deal.
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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:59:28 -0400
From: Kain <kain@caribe.net>
To: Jammers <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Catching up and the letter to MTV
Message-ID: <323887C0.356B@caribe.net>
Hey! I'm right now connecting myself again and getting my 224 mails.
After being for 3 days without electricity and water it's pretty good to
be turning on the pc and seeing that no matter how much water got into
your car and other things, your pc didn't suffer much, phew. So since I
might have to erase all mails without actually reading them, can anyone
tell me what happened (if anything) with that mail to MTV someone
posted? Yeah the one that made the new standard in criticism which
deserves to be in every Dream Theater page.
Later, gotta go dry up my car seats...
-- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | "Best way to love anything, is keeping in mind you might lose it." | | "Spread before me is my soul, I'm learning to live." Dream Theater | | mailto:kain@caribe.net | | Visit the official page of the world's best band, Dream Theater at | | http://www.rsabbs.com/dt | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:59:40 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Profound TFE quotes Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609121759.C22414-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu> > Subject: A Few Things To Say > > A few examples, but I like that almost everyone who's picked up TFE has > some lines in their sig. > > How about a contest...who can post the most profound TFE quote?
"I believe that what I'm feeling changes how the world appears." If that doesn't just strike you in the middle of the chest, you're clinically dead.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 16:11:47 MDT From: "Kevin Donnelly" <KDonnelly@vines.ColoState.EDU> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Teach Message-ID: <vines.0,16+Xe6Cma@vines.ColoState.EDU>
Damon
>>Hey, Dr. Donnelly:
>>What classes do you teach and at what school?
I teach and practice comparative pathology (no Jack Kevorkian jokes please!) at Colorado State University. I am not too long out of residency so I am still young but you have to start somewhere.
Kevin D.
Currently playing - FATES WARNING : Inside Out
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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 18:24:04 -0400 From: Kain <kain@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Hmmm.... Message-ID: <32388D84.2FF9@caribe.net>
> >LOL!!! That was the best one word response I've seen on the jam in a long > >time. > > Four word. Actually, one word, 4 letters :) -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | "Best way to love anything, is keeping in mind you might lose it." | | "Spread before me is my soul, I'm learning to live." Dream Theater | | mailto:kain@caribe.net | | Visit the official page of the world's best band, Dream Theater at | | http://www.rsabbs.com/dt | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/
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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 18:25:00 -0400 From: Kain <kain@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Hmmm.... Message-ID: <32388DBC.B5A@caribe.net>
Aw shit, it's 5 letters, so what? I just read that DLR was fired, shit, what ARE they getting now for a vocalist? -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | "Best way to love anything, is keeping in mind you might lose it." | | "Spread before me is my soul, I'm learning to live." Dream Theater | | mailto:kain@caribe.net | | Visit the official page of the world's best band, Dream Theater at | | http://www.rsabbs.com/dt | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/
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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 00:33:20 +0200 (MESZ) From: sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch) To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list) Subject: James on Japan PPV Message-ID: <9609122233.AA52434@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
Hello!
Don't bash James for his performance on the Japan PPV show! He was sick. Many other singers wouldn't have entered the stage in that condition, but he had to, because of the TV broadcast. Believe me, he wasn't happy about it...
That's it.
Later,
Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch Editor THE MIRROR - new German fanzine
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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 00:33:25 +-200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'\"DreamNDay vs. Damon\"-Jam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Say NO to YtseSpam! >:) Message-ID: <01BBA10B.82576B60@Wesley.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
I expected some heat after my last post...
Damon M. Fibraio wrote on Jam #1825
> I just have shit to say, and damnit I am going to say it.
The other 750+ Jammers will certainly appreciate that :-)
> And by the way, the reason why I send separate posts instead of one > gigantic one has been explained countless numbers of times.
But do you have to reply to every freaking thing you read / hear ?
> What do I have to do, post a blindness FAQ to the Jam?
Go ahead :-) It'll bounce anyway :-)
Don't turn me into the asshole flaming the poor blind dude, ok ? I just wanna keep the jam from turning to shit AGAIN ! __________
Scott Christian Cook wrote on Jam #1825
> Brian, > > I think it's great to have you back, but how am I ever gonna become > the most frequent poster with you around ;)
Well, certainly not due to lack of trying... (7 messages on Jam #1822)
>> Since we can all predict who will be the nr. 1 and nr. 2 posters, >> I won't be sending in any more "Most Frequent Poster"-lists from >> now on... I don't want people competing over the nr. 1 stop (again). >> >> >> AFAIK, there are about 750 Ytsejammers... Does it seem right if only >> two guys take up half the bandwidth ? I don't think so. I'm sorry if >> I sound BItchy, but I'm neither amused nor impressed... > > well, if the other 700+ that don't post wanna start lurking and start > posting we'd love to hear from them. Thanks for stopping the Most > Frequent Poster thing, it was extremely annoying.
Seeing as you hate everyone and everything, I'm not gonna take this too seriously... From what I've heard and seen on the #Ytsejam you're trying your best to make everyone and everything hate you back too... If that's what you want, go ahead... I'd much rather make friends... But that's just me, I guess...
If you really hate my list *that* much, I *might* just post *another* one, next month, just to piss you off >:) Maybe I'll start the list at poster nr. 3, leaving out the nr. 1 and nr. 2 Most Frequent Posters !
Scott Christian Cook said to Chris Ptacek on Jam #1826 :
> Hey Asshole! > > If you got something to say to me, my email address os at the top of > this post. If you got something to say, SAY IT you worm.
Nice going Grinder ! Is there anyone you *haven't* pissed off yet ? I tried to be your friend on IRC against my better judgement, once... Dunno what the hell I was thinking ! Chris, you rule... nevermind Scott's crap...
On his/the 3rd post on Jam #1826 Scott said :
> Oh, sorry Chris, I guess I shouldn't express an opinion. ;)
And that's supposed to make it alright ?
Oh yeah, "Test for Echo" is brilliant !!! Rush Rulez !!! I originally liked "Counterparts' better, but I'm starting to think this is by far the best album they've released in years :-) Get it, NOW !!! (It takes time to *fully* appreciate it, though)
Please send all flames, if any, to Itchy... NOT the Jam ! Say NO to YtseSpam!
Mark / Itchy _______________________________________________________itchy@dreamt.org__ All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _ Dreamers learn to steer by the stars (`)(_```_)/``_)(`)_(`)(`)_(`) All of us do time in the gutter RUSH | | ) ( ( (_ | _ | \_ / Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS (_) (_) \___)(_) (_) (__/ ____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__ "HALLO-O-O-O-O! Test... for... echo... Is there anybody out there?"
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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 09:06:49 +0000 From: blane@nla.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: Some crap to read Message-ID: <199609122311.JAA50136@email.nla.gov.au>
lo Yammers,
First up, the JLB thread. I know this wont stop the debate but heres me thorts,
* James LaBrie is one of the best, if not the best, singers in modern music! * James LaBrie is damn awesome live, so much energy so much enthusiasm, so much hmm . . . . DT ! Secondly, before we send mail to Noise should we check if it is something that Bernd and the guys want us do to or don't mind if we do it. I wouldn't won't to get the lads into any sorta shit with Noise at this early stage of their wildy promising career. I dunno, just a thought.
Keep on keepin' on Brett
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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 18:33:26 +0000 From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Weeeeeee! Big fun! Message-ID: <199609122333.SAA07420@enteract.com>
>Hey Asshole! >If you got something to say to me, my email address os at the top of >this post. If you got something to say, SAY IT you worm.
That's the one piece of advice I'll take from you. Now if you'd take your own advice we'd have about half the bullshit spam in the jam. My response to your earlier post belonged on the jam. It was valid.
>I don't think you can. I used to think people just had their head up >their yazoos when they would try to unsubscribe to the jam, then I >tried three separate times to unsubscribe EXACTLY as shown in the >letter that's sent out when you subscribe, and it hasn't worked yet Try this... PLEASE!:
ytsejam-request@ax.com subject = asdf body of message = unsubscribe ytsejam
Sorry to see you go. :)
>Oh, sorry Chris, I guess I shouldn't express an opinion. ;) I have no problem with people expressing their opinions about Jam related topics... otherwise I wouldn't have subscribed. It's people flaming other jammers for no damn reason that pisses me off.
Chris
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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 20:52:54 +0300 From: vanzin@infinity.com.br To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mercyful Fate live Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.12.-12.52.54.3163793292.115918@infinity.com.br>
Hey jammers!
YT>well, whatever you do, DEFINITELY go see mercyful fate! if you haven't YT>seen them live, it is absolutely amazing. king diamod is a superb performer YT>as are the rest of the members. they put on a great show. besides, YT>king diamond will be opening the show. now, you know it's gonna YT>be a great show when king is opening for himself! YT>(i bet he's a tired motherfucker after each show, though.)
They were here like two weeks ago. Although they were opening for other bands and the concert was only, like, 30 minutes, I loved it. To be frank, I didn't know any of them, nad now want to buy everything. King Diamond is sure one of the best on the stage. The equipment didn't help very much, you almost coud not hear the guitars, but it was surely one of the best concerts in the day (there were 9 bands).
[]'s Marcelo Vanzin Sao Paulo - Brazil vanzin@geocities.com vanzin@infinity.com.br http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/index.html Always in the #ytsejam! ------------------------- This message was sent by INFINITY. IP:206.138.205.57 WWW:http://www.infinity.com.br
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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 00:03:34 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Working Man recall Message-ID: <32380295.464885@mail.inforamp.net>
Good morning,
>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 23:53:19 -0700 (PDT) >From: skooc@earthlink.net
>To: "Cairo doesn't suck jam" <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: WORKING MAN RECALLED!!!!!! >Message-ID: <199609110653.XAA12258@iberia.it.earthlink.net>
>I got an email from my boss (I work at a record store) who said that Working >Man has been recalled.
Shit! They finally forced them to do it. Does anybody have global confirmation on this from Magna Carta? On second thought, I'll e-mail them today and post my response here.
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 20:03:27 -0400 From: BLevy@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Some things....(even DTC!!!!!!!) Message-ID: <960912200325_283646009@emout17.mail.aol.com>
WOW, 5 jams in ONE DAY!!!!!!!!! (so far!!!)
Since some other people on this list are brazen enough to send a reply to virtually every post, even their own, I will no longer worry too much about taking up some bandwidth of my own. Not to worry though, I have NO intention of over doing it ( I guess that is a relative statement, but deal).
On the James' Voice thing. I became aware of some shortcomings of his live performance when I saw LiT (HATE to admit it, but I have yet to see them perform LIVE; being an 'older' jammer, I find getting to concerts more of a challenge nowadays). Listening to him live, it sounds to me that he tries to achieve peaks as high as he does on the studio albums. But, unfortunately, when he performs live I have to believe that he is not rested enough to achieve what he can on a studio album. But to his credit, he does better than I believe most do.
Regarding the "lack of emotion' I totally agree. To me, he seems to be a technical singer. He enunciates fairly well, he has great timing and puts the emphasis in the right places (on the STUDIO Albums), but even where he is singing his GUTS out with everything he has, he does not elicit many different emotions in me. He definitely projects energy, but I am rarely moved into anything other than awe and or a 'rockin' feeling (with the possible exception of TSM). When I compare him to other singers like Fish or Peter Gabriel (only for this post, I normally would not think of comparing these singers), I find him lacking in the ability to elicit a very wide range of emotion. But then again, I usually rely on the MUSIC to do the emotional manipulation as a whole. For instance, I am quite often moved by Todd Rundgren's guitars on the Bat out of Hell album (just a little FYI for those who do not know, Todd Rundgren and his backing band Utopia were the band for Meatloaf's first LP, and IMO the true reason for this album's phenomenal success) with Meatloaf's vocals.
One other comment on this voice thing. DT does not seem to me to be the kind of band that NEEDS an emotional dynamo in their vocals. The SONG is what is truly moving us, the vocals are just a part of the whole. The MESSAGES in the songs do not seem to REQUIRE too much emotional range, the music carries the bulk of that responsibility, IMO.
On to Fates Warning: with all of this talk recently over FW, I broke out my Parallels CD. Did anyone notice that the old guy on the cover is the same old guy as in Metallica's Video for Enter Sandman (I think).
KMadden--- you are in Fort Collins, I went there for two years, stayed in 'ol Ingersoll Hall (Ultima Thule), is that town still a great place to live or what????
To the keeper of the Jam Stats (itchy??), Many thanks for doing something, ANYTHING that might help cut down on some of the frivolous posts.
To our Canadian Friend Rterry, I will add my light and love to the many others' expressed here. I don't really like doing this though as it seems to me to be rather hollow means of expressing empathy, but I guess it's all we can offer to you guys for now, so take care and keep the proper perspective on things.
Let's see, what else......I hope to pick up the New Type-O this weekend as well as Melon Collie, TfE, and the Escape from LA soundtrack. Maybe I'll try out Cairo or Savatage too. As always, I'll be sure to report my thoughts on them if I think anything is original or worth saying.
until then, L8R, Brian
In CD player- Fates Warning-Parallels
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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 00:03:58 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Unsolved mysteries, Rush praise, YCSRF Message-ID: <32389c84.8580658@mail.inforamp.net>
Good evening,
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:30:20 -0400 (EDT) >From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
>I'll take seven lives for one >and then my only father's son As sure as I did ever love him >I am not afraid......
One unsolved mystery is now solved! :)
>p.s. TFE might be better (for me) than moving pictures....i'll get back to >you folks on that score in about three weeks, after the initial glow has >worn off.........
Really? That's very high praise! What grabs you to such a high degree? My fave is still Hemispheres with MP in second and AFTK and PW tying for third.
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:59:21 -0400 >From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
>>Oh, come on!!!! People my age aren't THAT stupid. They don't like >>everything. I really do think that DT WOULDN'T become the next dumbass >>trend. > >Yeah, but if you had told me 10 years ago that someday Metallica would be a >dumbass trend.....I would have said you had a severe case of >cranial-sphincter inversion. :)
Don't joke about this. I've seen it first hand. People start the day with blond hair and by the end of the day they have dark roots. ;) I think we should establish the YCSRF (Ytsejam Cranial-Sphincter Resolution Foundation) to aid these people in obtaining corrective surgical procedures. :)
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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