YTSEJAM Digest 1837
Today's Topics:
1) Why I don't care for Rush (fwd)
by skooc@earthlink.net
2) James
by "Mark Fitchett" <mafit@msn.com>
3) Warning - delayed mail
by NTMail <RodrigVi@telefonica.com.ar>
4) Yes Q
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
5) Re: Anyone on here like Nevermore? (NO DTC)
by Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
6) Pearl James Of Clay
by DreamNDay@aol.com
7) YCSRF applications etc.
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
8) Mindcrimer - An exercise in arrogance
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
9) Words of stuipdity from a most qualified source (Not me :) )
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
10) Re: Tribute wasn't that great.
by Mindcrimer <ansarar@uc.edu>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1821
by jbbutcher@citynet.net
12) Mike Portnoy Clinic
by elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
13) Re: Tribute wasn't that great.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
14) here we go again...
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
15) Re: more paranoia
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
16) SDV & Saviour Machine & music in general...
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
17) Mike Bahr locked up :-)
by Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 00:39:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Why I don't care for Rush (fwd)
Message-ID: <199609150739.AAA20873@germany.it.earthlink.net>
>Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 01:12:52 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Greg Novack
>To: vanhalen@lists.fdt.net
>Subject: Why I don't care for Rush
> I don't care for Rush. Note here that I'm not going to be a
>jackass and say, "Rush sucks", I am just stating my opinion and will back
>it up.
>
>1. Rush are three extremely talented musicians
>2. When they come together, all trying to be the main guy, they sound
>bad. The most notable example is the drummer, Neil Peart. Yes, he is
>awesome, yes he is probably the best in the business technically. But
>he's so busy doing complicated fills and funny syncopation that Rush's
>songs have no beat, only Neil showing us how good he is. Geddy sounds
>like a girl. In fact, it took me two years to realize that Rush's singer
>is a guy. His lyrics are just too much. He should just shut the hell up
>and let Alex and Neil show us how technically proficient they are.
>3. Do the Neil worshippers actually think that Alex Van Halen couldn't do
>all Neil's crap if he so desired? He realizes that if he did all that in
>VH it would sound like crap. There are so many drummers who have the
>ability of Neil, but they know it sounds bad in a band. Don't get me
>wrong, I would love to be able to play like Neil, but if I wanted the
>world to hear it, I would release an album of just me.
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 96 10:50:10 UT
From: "Mark Fitchett" <mafit@msn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: James
Message-ID: <UPMAIL06.199609151051130817@msn.com>
Hey!
Am I the only one who thinks the people who are criticising James are perhaps
a little spoilt. Are we taking him for granted perhaps? James is the greatest
sing in rock music at the moment. You want proof Ok - parents! A couple of
years back I was playing IAW(loud!) as you do and my mum heard it and she said
what " a nice singer he was" then my dad(whose into Pavarotti, Mario Lanza -
people who sing properly even though I cant stand them) said to quote "its
nice to hear one of your singers who actually sings properly". You only have
to listen to the live tracks on ACOS to hear his versatility.
The only guy who comes close is Geoff Tate and I saw hime on the Promised Land
tour in Wolverhampton(Uk) and he spoilt the show, he was awful - perhaps I
just caught him on a bad night. The gut from Fates is very good too but isnt
in the same league.
YtseMark
5 albums playing at moment
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1. Working Man
2. Superior - Behind
3. DT - ACOS
4. Tori Amos - Boys for Pele
5. Metallica - Master of Puppets
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 10:00:00 -0300
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>Today's Topics:
>
> 1) many thanks, comments please
> by Marcel Coenen <mcoenen@cobweb.nl>
> 2) Re: Anyone on here like Nevermore? (NO DTC)
> by "J. Christian Jens" <jjens@cais.com>
> 3) Re: James on stage
> by "J. Christian Jens" <jjens@cais.com>
> 4) Various items, most definitely not regarding dt
> by KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
> 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1834
> by stan tyszka <sstys@earthlink.net>
> 6) Superior and Lemur Voice
> by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
> 7) My First impressions of IAW; AWAKE
> by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
> 8) YTSEJAM digest 1834 -Reply
> by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
> 9) Warning - delayed mail
> by NTMail <RodrigVi@telefonica.com.ar>
> 10) Letterman coming to BU and some other cities. (not really DTC)
> by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu.edu>
> 11) re: White Lion
> by Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu>
> 12) YtseCon III
> by Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
> 13) Japan Pay Perv iew video
> by kurt@fgallery.com
> 14) Investigation update.
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 11:04:15 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Yes Q
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960915160415.006c746c@mail.inlink.com>
yo boyz n gals, quick question for all the yes fans-
ok, i'm lookin to pick up a few discs from a local shop that has em
cheap.. i'll most likely snag TFTO but what others are up there on the
coolest of the cool Yes stuff? I know of fragile so dont worry bout that,
but as for the others, which stuff should i spring for first and which stuff
later? thanz for any help :)
~Rip
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 09:57:50 +0100 (BST)
From: Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Anyone on here like Nevermore? (NO DTC)
Message-ID: <Marcel-0.99-0915085750-0b0W1kb@aberry.demon.co.uk>
On Sat 14 Sep, J. Christian Jens wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, DUSTY VESTAL wrote:
>
> > I was just wondering if there were any Nevermore fans on here? I really like
>
> dint Sanctuary evolve into Nevermore a few years ago? or am i completely
> lost?
>
No, you're right. The singer (Warrel Dane) and someone else (guitarist?)
from Sanctuary formed Nevermore. I've got the first Sanctuary album (Refuge
Denied), and hope to get the second album and the Nevermore albums soon.
I presume you know that Warrel Dane will be singing for Chuck Schuldiner's
new band (Control Denied) on the next album. Should be good!
-- +---- Andrew Berry --------------------- http://www.aberry.demon.co.uk ----+ | Metal Links - 1087 links to 471 metal bands' pages across the internet | +--------------- http://www.aberry.demon.co.uk/metallist/ -----------------+ +- URLs wanted to be added to the list - mailto:andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk -+------------------------------
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 13:04:48 -0400 From: DreamNDay@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Pearl James Of Clay Message-ID: <960915130447_308893665@emout19.mail.aol.com>
> I seriously doubt that Pearl Jam will be hitting this area anytime >soon, as they would have to deal with a ticket agency other than the one >they are using (can't remember the name of it, but I just read an >article in Rolling Stone about it). And, yeah, I'm really sure it's for >a "friend." Come on, you're just afraid of admitting you like PJ here >on the jam. :) Just kidding there. I don't care if anybody here likes >John Tesh.
I love Pearl Jam and I'm not ashamed to admit it, but you all know that I live In ODDVILLE NY. I have PJ tix already, BTW. I said my friend because didn't know if would be afraid of admitting he likes PJ on the jam! Anyway, why wouldn't they be able to use FT&T for St Louis? They have locations all over the US. There's a different 1-800 number for every venue. (You know, I originallly thought FT&T stood for Fuck Ticketmaster and Ticketron or something like that, but it turns out to be Fans, Tours, and Tickets. Maybe a little double entendre?)
>ummm...have you ever seen James live? like i've had to tell the Laus on >#ytsejam (Ben to the rest of you), James would kick yer ass. his presence >is HUGE; dominate; forbidding; etc etc. i had the pleasure of being 2 to 3 >bodies away from the stage at Birch Hill...James scared me ;) Thats another thing. Live is meant to be live. When you have a live recording, you can actually notice al the mistakes and whatever. When you're in a sweaty mosh pit, you have so much adrenaline running through you between the bodies all around you and the fact that one of the greatest bands in the world are on stage in front of you. I'm sure that if I was at a DT show, my opinion would change. As far as singing goes, I have always said James is a great singer. No one expects him to be perfect. I don't think that any jammers should replace James. I'm quite content with his voice. This thread has gone on too long. I'm repeating myself by saying the same thing every day. The James threads always seem to pop up and they get quite annoying.
>One of my favorite albums of the year is Jars of Clay. Certainly not >DT but these young guys can write a hell of a good song. The song that >received some airplay, Flood, is one of my least favorites. You should >check out the album to hear all of the rest of the songs. All the >songs are very unique and interesting - no reason to hit the skip button >hear. I think they have an official web page. Check there and see if you >can hear some sound clips! You'll be glad you did! And I really like that song Flood. I guess I'd really love the rest! Anyone else have an opinion of JoC? I also heard that the album is produced by Adrian Belew. Is this true?
Oh, one last thing. I just got the ONLY Working Man left in upstate NY. Pretty kewl, huh? I haven't listened to it yet, but I looked through the booklet, and I saw the other Magna Carta stuff. Anyone have any info on the Floyd tribue? One more last thing. Could someone tell me who is from Fates Warning on this album? I don't know them by names.
============================================================= Life sucks and I don't care later--------------Brian =============================================================
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 17:32:40 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YCSRF applications etc. Message-ID: <323c2e75.377884@mail.inforamp.net>
Good afternoon,
>Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 21:48:34 -0400 >From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
>That's cool. I only want to be president 'cause then I get the BIG office. > >(NOT orifice, which could potentially lead to another case of what I >affectionately call "Butt-In-Mouth Disease")
That's understandable. We can't have the president of the YCSRF walking around with stains on his Hugo Boss ties. ;) We are still taking applications for additional professional, administrative and clerical personnel. Feel free to apply for any office for which you are capable of meeting the challenge.
Rick Terry Director - Rehab YCSRF
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 17:48:11 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mindcrimer - An exercise in arrogance Message-ID: <323c3ec6.4552019@mail.inforamp.net>
Hi there,
Some of you have probably exchanged words on one or two occasions with this little troll and I thought you might be happy to know that, true to his stripes, his rampant distaste for everything that fails to be QR is alive and well. Although I don't normally get involved in this kind of thing, there is a point at which the march of the putrid must be stopped, or at the very least, impeded. I hope you enjoy reading this as much as I enjoyed writing it.
Long live the Theater in all its Majesty! (pun intended)
On Sun, 15 Sep 1996 17:32:32 GMT, in rec.music.artists.queensryche rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) wrote:
>>TimDemchuk wrote: >>> >>> I think the album is great!!! Especially the stuff with the members of >>> Dream Theater. >> >> Yeah, that's because someone else wrote the song. Don't expect any >>songs as good as Rush from DT. > > You know Mindcrimer, I'm a fan of a great variety of music. >That includes DT (for it's complexity), QR (for the vocal work and >introspective nature of the lyrics) and Rush (because they have been >my favorite band for 23 years and helped to set the standard for >quality in North America). > I can't help but wonder what the members of DT ever did to you >to make you have such an openly rabid hatred of them? > Initially, this seemed to apply only to the music, but it >seems to run much deeper than that. Did one of them rape your dog or >something? > I find your constant slamming of them to be highly immature. >Are they such a threat to your personal security that the whole world >must despise them? You have said yourself in the past that this is a >QR newsgroup and DT discussion doesn't belong. Why continue it if you >don't appreciate the band? > Don't assume that your word is gospel when critiquing music. > Occasionally, I get the feeling that you see yourself as some >sort of little neo-Christ, sitting in your ivory tower passing >judgment on the planet. > That's a pretty closed mind to bring to this forum, dedicated >to a band that has focused on man's need to introduce harmony between >species, cultures and technologies. > I have no doubt that you hate everything about DT. Let me ask >you this. If a tribute to Queensryche were to be released that >primarily consisted of contributions from DT members, would you buy >it? > Even worse, what would happen to your world if you actually >found yourself liking anything on it? You might have to develop an >entirely new outlook on their abilities as musicians! Wouldn't that be >terrifying? > I really don't care if you don't appreciate their music. What >does irritate me is your constantly belligerent attitude toward >anything connected with them. Rather than praising them for giving >tribute to Rush, you slam their efforts. I don't see your name listed >among the contributing artists on Working Man. What is the standard >that you expect musicians to meet? Is anyone who doesn't meet your >expectations to be considered shite, requiring immediate disposal in >the nearest litter box? > Based on your DT comments over the last year in this forum, I >would strongly suggest that you get away from your computer for a few >months until you develop some notion of what tolerance is about. > Perhaps a break will give you back a touch of the compassion >and self-confidence that you so obviously lack at this point in your >life. > > >Rick >Toronto > >
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 17:48:19 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Words of stuipdity from a most qualified source (Not me :) ) Message-ID: <323c3fa7.4777046@mail.inforamp.net>
Hi there,
This was something I though I'd share with you all. For those of you who have never read any of Richard's pearls of wisdom, fasten your safety belt. I sent a general reply to him today which you can read in my next post.
Here it comes.... don't say I didn't warn you!
(Bullshit spewing mode on)
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:31:06 -0700 From: Mindcrimer <ansarar@uc.edu> Subject: Re: Tribute wasn't that great.
tyagi aditya wrote: > Mike Portnoy > did a pretty good job on the Trees and La Villa. I wasn't surprised when > in the middle of La Villa he started doing that trigger happy double bass > playing he does a lot with Dream Theater. It was like "Hey Neil, I can > do it too, except better!". He too didn't quite get the same fill Neil > did. However, he did a goob job with the fills and such, but I would have > preferred them to be "smoother" rather than mechanical.
You didn't really expect the Dream Theater drummer to tone it down to play for the benefit of the song, did you? You should know by now that DT members are out to impress the listener with their show off attitude which ruins the songs. That's why I can't get into them. They can't write songs to save their lives. I guess they ruined enough of their songs, so they had to ruin someone elses now.
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 13:53:26 -0400 From: jbbutcher@citynet.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1821 Message-ID: <199609151753.NAA19082@main.citynet.net>
please cancel my subscription to ytsejam.
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 14:20:12 +0100 From: elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim) To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Mike Portnoy Clinic Message-ID: <19960915132009770.AAA208@ras6.fxn.com>
Okay folx, as promised, I'd find out more info.
It's Resurrection Drums' annual "Drum Fest" and many others will be appearing as well. I don't remember, nor do I really care. ;) But the whole shebang starts at 12pm on Sept 21st. I won't have a chance to get down to the store to buy my ticket, so I don't know the location.
If you want your own ticket, you're gonna have to call Resurrection Drums at (954)457-9020 so you can schlep your butt down there to buy the ticket... $5.
I would offer to pick up tix for needy jammers, but I *just* started a new job and I won't be getting another paycheck for a while and I need every spare dollar I can scrounge. Why do you think I haven't bought _Test For Echo_ yet, nor do I plan to pick up the new Steve Vai on Tuesday. :(
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 14:25:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Mindcrimer <ansarar@uc.edu> Subject: Re: Tribute wasn't that great. Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960915142417.25008A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> > Mike Portnoy > > did a pretty good job on the Trees and La Villa. I wasn't surprised when > > in the middle of La Villa he started doing that trigger happy double bass > > playing he does a lot with Dream Theater. It was like "Hey Neil, I can > > do it too, except better!". He too didn't quite get the same fill Neil > > did. However, he did a goob job with the fills and such, but I would have > > preferred them to be "smoother" rather than mechanical. > > You didn't really expect the Dream Theater drummer to tone it > down to play for the benefit of the song, did you? You should know by > now that DT members are out to impress the listener with their show > off attitude which ruins the songs. That's why I can't get into them. > They can't write songs to save their lives. I guess they ruined > enough of their songs, so they had to ruin someone elses now.
They can't write songs to save their lives? Hmm. Let's look at your favorite band's last album, called "promised land" and let's put that, song for song, against "awake". Musically, Lyrically, and Performance-wise Dream Theater out classes, let alone out plays Queensryche.
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 15:26:42 -0400 From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: here we go again... Message-ID: <v01520d00ae619cdad98f@[207.90.122.45]>
<< 9) Warning - delayed mail by NTMail <RodrigVi@telefonica.com.ar> >>
well, if it's not MIME crap, it's "Autoreply Message," or now "Warning - delayed mail." at least SloppyJoe69@aol.com isn't still around...
(sigh)
Dan
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 15:27:25 -0400 From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: more paranoia Message-ID: <v01520d00ae61bf77d546@[207.90.122.45]>
>So far, this stuff shouldn't affect DT discs at all. >I'm also likely to be in the clear on Cowboys, Echolyn, >Fates, and similar low-key material. Brian Cox was >very right...some risks simply aren't worth taking.
I'm truly excited about some of your future projects...both DT and non-DT (esp the GC "Electric Nightmares" and some echolyn and possible-KX stuff). Thanks for doing such a great service for the Ytsejam. You rule, Mike!!!!! I guess we'll all have to keep this more low-key than normal until this "investigation," or whatever, blows over.
Let's all bow in a moment of silence for brother Bahr... :)
Later, Dan
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 15:29:22 -0400 From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: SDV & Saviour Machine & music in general... Message-ID: <v01520d01ae61c06f0f9a@[207.90.122.45]>
Dale (or is that Monty?) Newberry: >For me, yeah, SDV does seem to fit well on a nice, overcast, >all-around gloomy day. Or, for that matter, when I'm alone, >sitting in the house, with no lights on/blinds closed, etc. >Actually, when I'm in that mood, SDV does work quite well, >but I usually put in one or both of my Saviour Machine CDs >(for anyone who knows of them, you know what I mean. For >anyone who doesn't, shame on you :).
Yeah, same here. Too bad there isn't an entire disc of SDV-type stuff...yet (I'm anxious for a KevMo CD). On some of my gloomy, semi-depressed-feeling days, I pop in some Saviour Machine, or SMII, or even QR's "Someone Else?" and "Anybody Listening?" They usually complement my solemn attitude quite well. Geez, I guess there's music for every occassion. I pitty all those "passive listeners" (of which I doubt any on this list are), you don't know what you're missing out in music... :)
music, music, i hear music, music, i hear music, music... [KX]
Dan
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 20:34:58 +0100 (BST) From: Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Mike Bahr locked up :-) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.93.960915203101.31064A-100000@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
Rick wrote: > Mike, I am very happy with the discs that you have produced, > but I would be most UNHAPPY to here that you were locked up with the > neighborhood sex offenders
Actually, we were kinda hoping that Mike *would* be popping in to stay with us for a while ;-)
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