YTSEJAM Digest 1877
Today's Topics:
1) VH/Frederico MS Barbosa/1875/Vai
by Anthony G LaSorsa <agls@christa.unh.edu>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1876
by S Hacker <94001988@lambton.on.ca>
3) Visual Music
by Anthony G LaSorsa <agls@christa.unh.edu>
4) Clockwork
by "Anthony N. Sciamanna" <st96d6z4@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
5) Changing addresses
by Sebastien Ferland <sebsammy@generation.net>
6)
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
7) Ethyl Mertz tonight!
by Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
8) sucks
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
9) Re: La Villa, Bombay
by Ryan_Rafaloff@tanagraphics.com (Ryan Rafaloff)
10) re: RUSH
by NUPRIN <nuprin@wichita.fn.net>
11) Fade-outs and MIKE PORTNOY CLINIC
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
12) Lemur Voice concert
by "Jan van Huizen" <aurora@mail.wirehub.nl>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1872
by "Jan van Huizen" <aurora@mail.wirehub.nl>
14) Visual Music
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
15) I've got one!
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
16) JPM100
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
17) ZOOM
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
18) Venus Isle
by szucseue@saber.udayton.edu
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1875
by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:44:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Anthony G LaSorsa <agls@christa.unh.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: VH/Frederico MS Barbosa/1875/Vai
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91a.960927112505.4809E-100000@christa.unh.edu>
Now I got a lot of things to say. I knew from the get go that since I
said I didn't care for old Rush, I would get a response like I did from
Frederico M.S. Barbosa on the Jam #1875. He wrote:
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But I disagree with everything you said about RUSH past stuff. You know,
DREAM THEATER wouldn't be what they are if they don't have listened to RUSH
past stuff, and learned how to play it. Most of DT songs are inspired in
RUSH songs. Did you know that ???
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I realize that Rush paved the road for Prog Rock for band like DT, FW,
and tons of others. I believe I stated in my first post, that the one
reason I never really got into Rush was because I couldn't stand
Geddy's voice. He sounded like a little troll/imp. I don't like his
banshee like voice. However, on TFE his singing was very
ear-friendly. I didn't hear him shriek. He sounded very good.
Anyways, just so EVERYbody knows, Rush is a great band, and they
always be. They are just not one of my favorites.
My jaw almost dropped when I read that thing about Gary Cherone in Van
Halen. Someone said that it will be very interesting. That is an
understatement!!!! However, does anybody know if Extreme is now over
and done with? I just read that Nuno's album will be out early next
year and that Cherone was doing broadway type shows. I read that
Cherone and Bettencourt have written some tunes for the new Extreme
album. But, the next Extreme album won't even be recorded until late
next year. I was hoping to see Roth with Van Halen again, but,
AAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!! I'm so confused.
One thing I'm not confused about is Steve Vai's new one. I just
picked it up a couple of days ago and.....WOW!!! His voice is
great!! I'm not going to say much about his guitar playing
because.....Nuff Said. The only thing that bugged me about his
singing would be his style. He sounds like he's using is voice like
the guitar. I mean that the vocals don't have a fluid style such as
GT, JL, and others. It sounds like he's reading notes off of a page
of music without encorporating his soul. But again, his vocals DO NOT
take away from the cd. They make it richer.
TONY
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:47:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: S Hacker <94001988@lambton.on.ca>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1876
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.93.960927114556.3650B-100000@white.lambton.on.ca>
Can you please take me off your emailing list .. I no longer want to
subscribe ...
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:53:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Anthony G LaSorsa <agls@christa.unh.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Visual Music
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91a.960927115237.4809F-100000@christa.unh.edu>
I just would like to address the visual music people. I don't mind
seeing, but I just can't seem to understand it. Can anyone help me out?
Thanks a lot. Tony
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:11:35 -0500
From: "Anthony N. Sciamanna" <st96d6z4@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Clockwork
Message-ID: <v03007802ae71ba2297fe@DialupEudora>
Hello everyone,
I just wanted to post this since school has started and a lot more people
are on the jam. Anyone interested in hearing some of CLOCKWORK's earlier
material can e-mail me with their address. I'd be more than happy to send
them a tape. just a reminder:
DREG Records comp. will be released Tues. and the final touches are being
put on our new CD which should be released in the near future. Thanks for
the time.
By the way my e-mail address has changed.
-Anthony Sciamanna
CLOCKWORK
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:31:07 -0400
From: Sebastien Ferland <sebsammy@generation.net>
To: "'National Midnight Star'" <rush@syrinx.umd.edu>,
Subject: Changing addresses
Message-ID: <01BBAC6F.CC93B480@portA05.Generation.NET>
Just so you know, I'm changing my email address on the 1st of october from (sebsammy@generation.net) to (sebsammy@infini.net)
Please try not to send any mail 2 days before and after the 1st. I'll probably be configurating everything here.
This message is destined to many people, so I'll be sure to write to you personnally as well after the 1st of october.
Talk to you soon,
Seb
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:35:54 -0400
From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <199609271640.MAA15615@uhura.ici.net>
> But then again, when I
>was at the Birch Hill show, and they were jammin' out on that "we're gonna
>jam cuz it fades out on the album" part, I was standing there, wishing they
>could just continue playing it forever, hoping it'd never end...
To quote D-Man, the live jam they play at the end of LTL nox rads!!! :)
Seriously, I condier that to be the highlight of the show I saw (New London,
1st show), of course "high point" is a relative term in an experience like
that. :)
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__<psull@ici.net>__http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html___
This space for rent...No pithy quotes need apply
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:33:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
To: The BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ethyl Mertz tonight!
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95L.960927123051.13440A-100000@aloha.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear jammers,
Hey there! Just wanted to remind you that Ethyl MErtz is playing tonight
at People's Pub. Show starts at around 11pm. Tonight is Al Pirtelli's
Birthday, so come down and celebrate! The number at People's is (516)
499-2708.
Hope to see you there!
Yours,
Jeff =)
<*> Jeff Chew <*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/ <*>
<*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> jeffc@dreamt.org <*> jchew@rsabbs.com <*>
<*> (516) 674-4828 <*> Dorm (212) 853-2238 <*> Beeper (917) 712-4828 <*>
"Smile! No one will know what you're up to!" --- Lea Salonga
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:29:42 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: sucks
Message-ID: <199609271633.TAA23338@pepe.online.ee>
>panties in a bunch over someone saying "_____ Sucks!" because that's
>an opinion too... No one means that "Green Day Sucks and you can't
>listen to them or you're a goon." So on that note, Alanis sucks. :)
erm... i sort of remember somebody bashing somebody for listening
alanis. it took place here, on the list. on with the show, if it
weren't that way, i definitely wouldn't have noticed it. i read every
jam, but never any more than briefly and only once. then, some jams
sent to me go to the data heaven.
funny thing is that i just received a jam from august 8. :-) god
knows where it came from. i do know that our mailer was down and out
from august 1 till august 15 because i wasn't watching. :-)
enough of pointlessness.
raitz
How could I forget such a revelation
to love without fear and learn without question
how could I regret the meant occasions
I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 12:40:04 -0500
From: Ryan_Rafaloff@tanagraphics.com (Ryan Rafaloff)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: La Villa, Bombay
Message-ID: <211134.ensmtp@tanagraphics.com>
I think that Bombay is definately like a La Villa/Xanadu experiment.
It's a cool tune.
What about Eve? One of my favorite instrumentals.
Musically, it has some nice touches. Kevmo's style is real prominant.....
(even thought the whole band contributed to the tune).
Wonder if that was influenced by anything.
Also,
Ya know how Kevin's tune "On The Page" says...
"...everytime I lock the door, someone puts in metaphors,
life was so much cleaner on the page."
Could that in any way relate to DT heavily embelishing
on the songs and contributions he made to the band's music?
I don't intend to hit any soft spots, but look at what they did w/TTT
on the January 1995 tour (particularly boot video from Japan)
Later,
-Raf
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:52:16 -0500 (CDT) From: NUPRIN <nuprin@wichita.fn.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: RUSH Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.960927114153.18743A-100000@wichita.fn.net>
>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 00:34:33 -0300 >From: fbarbosa@solar.com.br (Frederico Mello Simoes Barbosa) > >Well, albums from "Signals" to "Roll the Bones" are no good, most DREAM >THEATER fans know that. But all albums from "Rush" to "Exit... Stage >Left" are masterpieces !!!
Okay, whoever this guy is, I hope he's ashamed of himself, because he just made himself look like a fool on the whole ytsejam! Notice what he said here: >Well, albums from "Signals" to "Roll the Bones" are no good, >most DREAM THEATER fans know that
Well, sorry to crush your hopes of trying to sound like you know what your talking about, but most DREAM THEATER fans (and now we know how much of a DT fan you're NOT) know that these albums were VERY heavy influences in DT's music. Just listen to SIGNALS, GRACE UNDER PRESSURE, HOLD YOUR FIRE, POWER WINDOWS, PRESTO, and ROLL THE BONES!!! They are fucking AWESOME. I mean just LISTEN to the keyboard backings and all around musical composition, and any idiot can see that it was a definite influence on DT. Just LISTEN to the keys, that's a dead give away. So, saying that those later RUSH albums are no good is a pretty bold, but very uneducated statement. But to generalize that most DT fans *KNOW* that they are no good is just plain stupid!
/, \> /< John Nguyen (aka NUPRIN) } /> Musician/Artist/Programmer/Lover/Parent [\\\\(@):::>|=+=+========================================--- } \> ...and Defender Of All Worthy Women!! \< "all I want is to have my peace of mind" /> --BOSTON \' http://www.feist.com/~nuprin
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 18:54:19 +0200 From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fade-outs and MIKE PORTNOY CLINIC Message-ID: <v03007800ae71b1805fb5@[128.178.99.94]>
>really BOTHERED me to hear a fade out. Every song ends... even Fates >Warning's new album, the 60 minute song, which I bought at Walmart today >for $7.99. (Just Kidding. I know Carlo and some of the other Fates >fanatics on the list would have a massive coronary if I left it at that!)
Chris!!!
ASSHOLE!!! ;-)
My heart went whoops at the beginning of the sentence then went right down again.
I just missed the massive coronary, but I'd've faded YOU out if ya'd left it there
hehe
Dave King (the other Ray)
>>>Why do you suppose that DT started using fade-outs on I&W. I am very hap= py >>>with the fact that they had none on WDADU. I personally don't like them >>>and usually attribute them to the inability to write a decent song-ending= =2E >>>I guess some are cool, but the one on TTT is especially frustrating, caus= e >>>JP is soloing, and all the sudden it starts fading out. I love JP solos >>>and feel like there was more to that solo that we can't here.
>What the hell are you talking about?!!??!?!?!? My old band could play song= s >that faded out live!!! What used to do was give the sound-man our set-list >and we'd asterik the songs we wanted to fade out. Then he'd take the maste= r >fader on the mixing board and slowly slide it down to "zero" as we played >the outtro!
Hehe...and the drummer looks like a dumbass, cos everyone can still hear him= !!
DRUMASS
[BS mode off]
IMPORTANT: I'VE HEARD MIKE PORTNOY'S GONNA DO A CLINIC AT LYON IN FRANCE. IF ANYONE HAS ANY INFO (WHERE WHEN HOW ETC.) I'D APPRECIATE. PLEASE EMAIL ME PRIVATELY COS I DON'T HAVE LOTS OF TIME TO READ JAMS.
THANKS IN ADVANCE
[BS mode on]
Back to fade-outs: normally you should be able to finish a song one way or another. Something that happens quite often with my band is that we discover a whole new theme while seqrching for an ending to a song, so in fact 1-2 minutes get easily added to the song. Cewl.
=46ade-outs are also fun to listen to, because the band does all sorts of funny stuff or fuck-ups etc. FW's Point of View from the Parallels album is a good example. The band and especially Mark (Zonder) starts doing cool stuff.
=46ade-outs are also dangerous because you're crankin the volume mega-high t= o fetch the last tenth of second of the song and you're not quick enough to turn it down before the next songs starts.
:-))
And usually bands are aware of this and they're real bastards because the song that follows a fade-out starts always as f=81=AE=9F=DF=8F=81=AE## noisy= as possible.
So there you are, wondering if you caught all of the fading song and the nexrt second you've got a speaker cone stuck to your right ear.
BLASTED
=46LOORED
=2E........................................................................ D A V E K I N G v o x & b a s s M T - 2 0
"Holding on is easier than letting go" (fw) "I was told there'll be no one to call on when I feel alone and afraid" (dt) "Life's a bitch?; so fuck it!!" (dk)
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 19:13:49 +0000 From: "Jan van Huizen" <aurora@mail.wirehub.nl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Lemur Voice concert Message-ID: <199609271713.RAA17711@poindexter.wirehub.nl>
> ps 2: LEMUR VOICE concerts in the Netherlands by now: > > 20 oktober - Fenix Sittard, 21:00, =83 7,50 > 17 januari - Blokhut Rotterdam (??) >
Oh great ! I will definately be attending your concert at the Blokhut. Count me in guys ! :-)
Aurora
"Creative mother arouse us to know that we be not lost in the sands ..open our eyes"
The Eagle Nature / Cynic
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 19:13:49 +0000 From: "Jan van Huizen" <aurora@mail.wirehub.nl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1872 Message-ID: <199609271713.RAA17718@poindexter.wirehub.nl>
> From: ytsejam@ax.com > To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1872
> I know this question is soooooo last year, but can someone e-mail > me privately about getting that DT version of Doom I heard so much about? > Thanks. >
Doom is history. Maybe someone can make a Quake or Duke Nukem 3D Dream Theater level ???
"Creative mother arouse us to know that we be not lost in the sands ..open our eyes"
The Eagle Nature / Cynic
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:41:09 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Visual Music Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609271355.F13149-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> >VISUAL MUSIC! Cover your eyes, Steve! > > > >doo doo doo doo > > > > > > doo doo doo doo > > doo doo doo doo > > > > > > doo doo doo doo
I could swear that's the music that Wayne and Garth use when they go into one of those daydream sequences.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:52:19 -0400 From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu> To: "The Ytsefriggin'Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: I've got one! Message-ID: <324C1453.6415@bu.edu>
How 'bout this one?
dah dah dah dah duggaduggaduggaduh duggaduggaduggaduh .....
Whaddyathink? Marcel? :)
--
/* * User: Brian Wherry, bwherry@bu.edu, bwherry@csa.bu.edu * School: Boston University College of Engineering * Lives: 3rd Floor Shelton, The Slickest Floor on Campus * Web: http://acs.bu.edu:8001/~bwherry/home.html */
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:34:34 -0400 From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu> To: "The Ytsefriggin'Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: JPM100 Message-ID: <324AF6EA.3400@bu.edu>
Gary Trucks inquired:
>> p.s. How many of guitar playing jammers play Ibanez? I play a jpm100p2!
I've got 'em both. P1 and P2. Hehehehe.... The Discover Card saves the day! :) --
/* * User: Brian Wherry, bwherry@bu.edu, bwherry@csa.bu.edu * School: Boston University College of Engineering * Lives: 3rd Floor Shelton, The Slickest Floor on Campus * Web: http://acs.bu.edu:8001/~bwherry/home.html */
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:49:47 -0400 From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu> To: "The Ytsefriggin'Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ZOOM Message-ID: <324AFA7B.568E@bu.edu>
I'd have to disagree with Jim Shields on the quality of ZOOM products. I have had a ZOOM 9002 for years and I'm always using that thing! I think ZOOM stuff is great for practicing -- but too noisy for live performance. The 9002 has some nifty effects and I actually find the distortion/amp simulation to be pretty realistic and it sounds pretty good on tape. The 9002 is also great because it's TINY and has a recharg(e?)able battery that lasts for three hours, so if you wanna go sit on a park bench and play yer guitar and hear it, you can! It's also got a metronome (VERY important for practicing) and an A 440 tuning pitch. The ZOOM 9002 isn't a suberb preamp, nor is it a great digital effects processor, but it's the coolest electric-guitar practice aid around. And it weighs much less than a rack. :)
My $.02.
Brian --
/* * User: Brian Wherry, bwherry@bu.edu, bwherry@csa.bu.edu * School: Boston University College of Engineering * Lives: 3rd Floor Shelton, The Slickest Floor on Campus * Web: http://acs.bu.edu:8001/~bwherry/home.html */
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 14:17:02 -0400 From: szucseue@saber.udayton.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Venus Isle Message-ID: <96092714170291@saber.udayton.edu>
After listening to the new EJ disc a few thousand times (a couple more than the new Rush disc), I truly believe that it is the most poignantly beautiful album of the decade, maybe besides Ah Via. To those that think it boring, look again and see how Eric weaved all those sounds together. It is a really kind of subtle album that hits you with all these little melodic tricks! Anyway, he's still my number one cat, and I guess that's all that really matters. I just hope I get to tell him that in person in Columbus on Oct. 30!
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 14:58:45 -0500 (EST) From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1875 Message-ID: <v01510103ae719c33696c@[137.238.26.12]>
>The rundown: >Pickup or Con: $16 >Mail Order: $20 >Outside the USA: $25 >XXL +$1 >XXXL +$2
What, no small sizes? Even a medium or a if I had to a large??????? (Grumble....)
-Babs
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