YTSEJAM Digest 2442
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2440
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
2) where are you now
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
3) Chris Ptacek
by sdh@seas.upenn.edu
4) T-RIDE
by Joe Wright <jrwee@gator.net>
5) second helping
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
6) Re: The Spirit of Radio
by Symbolic66@aol.com
7) Re: Hangar 18
by Symbolic66@aol.com
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2435
by chief <KOPPENKM@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu>
9) Re: Put up or shut up
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
10) Re: Guitar World (NDTC)
by Symbolic66@aol.com
11) IS THAT FREEDOM ROCK!!!! WELL TURN IT UP, MAN.......
by Hector Crisantes <snyfarms@gateway.dakotacom.net>
12) Re: TNT (NDTCWNN)
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
13) JPM100 Neck
by Corey Bell <cmbell@inx.net>
14) T-Ride CD. I have a copy. I might be willing to trade/sell if the offer is right.
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
15) TNT - No DT content, fucking or other
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
16) Webring again!
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org>
17) Re: where are you now
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:53:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2440
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970409173254.1970E-100000@enteract.com>
> From: sdh@seas.upenn.edu
> Subject: Put up or shut up
>
> Ok, Digital Man, why don't you explain to me why exactly the new album
> has been delayed for so long? I have friends here in philly who are on the
> jam and they have no idea either. The only things I have seen on the jam
> or that stupid red sector a page is that there are personnel changes at the
> label that have been delaying it. That statement is very vague and I have
> yet to see anything on the jam more specific.
I just did for him, in case there was any confusion. Or you can
go to http://www.prognosis.com/petition/ and view the info. Or you can
look back to the multiple jams in which it was CLEARLY posted, and
commented on.
If you haven't seen it, you aren't looking. That must be
established now, as you read the jam in which I myself explained it.
> Joyce. So fuckhead, instead of looking through the jams posting
> meaningless messages trying to be funny, why don't you post something
> useful or shut the fuck up.
I wish you hadn't said that. I have a feeling yuo may too.
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> How about throwing some AC/DC up there, Chris? :)
My band will be covering Ballbreaker before that happens.
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> From: Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2439
> > "Gather Hebrews while ye may..."
>
> BWAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! I leave the guys name out because I can't imagine
> his shame at the number of flames this will generate.
I know (and at one point memorized) the original poem, and I don't
see this as shameful. But I'm already a fucknut.
> "Gather ye rosebuds while ye may..." To learn the rest, read the FAQ or
> finish high school.
Or be more condemning and fit in on the Ytsejam! :)
> And then this guy Christopher Bellardine. Man have you got
> another thing coming. D-Man already bit on this one, but it was just the
> single stupidest post I have ever seen! Well except some of mine of
> course (that 12/24 time sig on DWD still gets to me!).
Gee, then we all make mistakes? But we only forgive veterans tha.
I understand.
> > Could someone E-mail me and tell me exactly what progressive rock
> > means.
>
> This says it all. The guy obviously has no clue what 80% of this list is
> about if he has no personal concept of prog. And to bash QR in the manner
> he did is Ytse-suicide.
This is not at all a reasonable conclusion. We're you under a
rock when the thread came up about prog music and what exactly it was? It
wasn't very long ago. By his understanding, I thik he has a much clearer
view of what prog is than the dude(s) or chick(s) that think that Marilyn
Manson is prog.
> > <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
>
> Note specifically that he is a Rutgers student. Every RU student is so
> full of their own opinions that they don't know what to do with them, so
> they dump them on people who could care less! How do I know this, you
> ask? It's my alma mater... Chris, give me a call. I'm still in the area
> and I'd be happy to tell you what prog is if I can stop laughing at you
> long enough.
Okay... I'll give this a chance. You obviously ARE at LEASt as
full of your own opinions as this guy is, and you give us a blanket
generalization to explain that (we won't get into it's validity)... but
then why flame him for being like you?
> DAMN NEWBIES!!!!! Read first, then think before you post. Then
> don't post.
DAMN CONDEMNING VETERANS!!!!! Anytime you have to justify your
points by showing someone your penis (scuse me) by showing someone how
long you've been on the list, you should know your argument is over.
> > Fuck these other bands that don't belong hear.
>
> No, fuck you. You don't belong here.
Sadly enough, you do.
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> From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
> Subject: what is and isnt
> technically, you could rule out or include about anything this way.. like
> what does rush really have to do with dream theater then? ok, they play odd
> time signatures, MP may sight them as an influence.. he also sights rap and
> all other forms of music. you want DT related topics, i could probably
> relate MM to DT in some way.
No... I'm basing it off the signup letter. I'll get you a copy if
you need one to verify this, but it specifies the type of band that is or
isn't kosher to discuss here. You really can't argue against it. It's
not my rule... it's Skadz's.
- Chris
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 17:54:49 -0500
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: where are you now
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970409225449.0074bd98@mail.inlink.com>
>
>You know... I've never said anything about WAUN... but... I must say, the
>song is pretty boring overall... Like someone on IRC said the other
>night, kinda like STP... if I wanted STP, I would buy an STP album (heaven
>forbid me, strike me down with holy cow dung)...
i think this song actually sounds a bit like King's X in the beginning. its
got that very chorusey upbeat style and the rhythem is very KX like. It
does have a grungy sound, but i have a feeling we'll see a lot of this in
the new DT. The song's spot for me is the chorus and the acoustic break...
"where you are, behind the crowd, what do you hear, to talk so loud..."
and just to stick my tongue out at the doc for fun, i just had my old STP
cds out a few nights ago, and thought of how much they ruled ;) of
course... maybe thats because heaven DID strike me with holy cow dung, and
that explains the cow fetish too...........
nahhhhhhhh..
>No hard feelings,
>-d
<removes hand from pocket> you ruin ALL the fun D :)
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 19:02:27 -0400
From: sdh@seas.upenn.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Chris Ptacek
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970409190224.006bfdc4@home.seas.upenn.edu>
Chris,
Thank you. That's the first time I've heard anything specific. I read
about the petition being sent but it didn't say much more then that.
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 18:04:29 -0700
From: Joe Wright <jrwee@gator.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: T-RIDE
Message-ID: <334C3C9D.FD2@gator.net>
T-RIDE? (*drool, drool, wipe, wipe*)
Yeah, I got that CD here in Gainesville FL, about a year and a
half ago at a Specs music. I looked everywhere for it after I saw a
video for "Zombies From Hell" on MTV *sigh* and couldn't find it
anywhere. Why is it that you can never find something when you really
want it? Women seem to fall into this category also. I'll have a
looksy around, but I'm not making any promises. I'm willing to trade it
for something I don't have
since I really don't listen to it that much anymore if anyone is
interested.
On a different note, I just ordered Superior the other day from 'Knights
(silly english bed-wetting types) of the Round' and I was wondering how
long it usually takes for them to ship CDs? Just curious.
The Joser
jrwee@gator.net
!!Gators Rule, Noles Bite!!
http://members.aol.com/mindscap/
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 18:22:32 -0500
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: second helping
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970409232232.0074ff84@mail.inlink.com>
>
> No... I'm basing it off the signup letter. I'll get you a copy if
>you need one to verify this, but it specifies the type of band that is or
>isn't kosher to discuss here. You really can't argue against it. It's
>not my rule... it's Skadz's.
you bring this up again and i will now rest my case, it is true that bands
like nine inch nails (mm is one that i would relate to nin) are said not to
be discussed because they raise hell on this list between people. chris is
correct and i stand corrected :)
i will, however, still concur i think its a pretty stupid that this has come
to be a necessity because people cant shut their yap when someone mentions a
mainstream band they "just cant seem to tolerate, jed" its an aspect that
drives me nuts, and it just makes me want to comment on the band more to
simulate drinking gas and pissing on their camp fire :) i'd like to think
with a DT list we'd all have open minds to stuff, even if we dont like some
form of music, to understand it in the least... instead of this flaming of
each other, over things as corny as flames from the past. kind of reminds
me of the capulets and the montagues. :)
anyways, i'll try and get my facts in line next time, although had that
article not been present in the subscription info i'd still be busting my
balls over conveying my thoughts on it :)
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:32:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Symbolic66@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The Spirit of Radio
Message-ID: <970409193117_-133975268@emout14.mail.aol.com>
<< Wow. You played King For A Day. That's something I wouldn't even hear on
college radio. I love KFAD FFAL and think it should've gotten some more
credit. Actually, I heard Epic on an ALTERNATIVE station yesterday. Not
bad. Really suprised me. >>
i dont remember anything from king for a day...i didnt like it first time i
had it 2 years ago but my tastes have DRASTICALLY changed since then... i
remember seeing epic on mtv when it came out...and of course on headbangers
ball...but if you ask me i think faith no more was like an 80s alternative
somewhat...not at all like todays alternative...but it wasnt like stuff being
played back then...i think? i wouldnt be an expert on 80s music scene since i
was a little kid...but nirvana and shit was out but not popular...ya know
teen spirit hadnt completely ruined everything yet...
anyone seeing what im trying to say? ...well anyway that is weird for epic to
play on an alternative station...HAS ANYONE SEEN EPIC ON SOME 90S COMPILATION
THING COMMERCIAL ON TV? its like...fuckin vanilla ice and crap...but then
they have epic on it?!? thats messed up...and that album didnt even come out
in the 90s! haha...anyone else seen that?
brian (symbolic)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/5578/home.htm
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:38:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Symbolic66@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Hangar 18
Message-ID: <970409193340_1186635000@emout16.mail.aol.com>
<< I have the rust in peace guitar book. If you want, I could copy it for
you. >>
i have that book...thats a helluva a lot of copying...
have you noticed the drastic thickness difference between rip and
youthanasia? disappointing...
brian (symbolic)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/5578/home.htm
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 97 19:38:46 EST
From: chief <KOPPENKM@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu>
To: i wish to unsubscribe <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2435
Message-ID: <970409.193932.EST.KOPPENKM@miamiu.muohio.edu>
i don't know how i got on this mailing list. i beg of you to take me off of it
. please do this - as soon as possible.
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:44:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: sdh@seas.upenn.edu
Subject: Re: Put up or shut up
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970409193431.636A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> Ok, Digital Man, why don't you explain to me why exactly the new album
> has been delayed for so long? I have friends here in philly who are on the
> jam and they have no idea either. The only things I have seen on the jam
> or that stupid red sector a page is that there are personnel changes at the
> label that have been delaying it. That statement is very vague and I have
> yet to see anything on the jam more specific.
well, _i_ am from philly and i knoww whats going on. the reason
why n OFFICAL word is out is because no one is 100% sure of what's going
on. when the i's are dotted and the t's crossed you will get an offical
word. everybody else has been patiend, so i advise you to do so s well.
have you ever thought "i wonder _WHY_ they're being so vague?" i
guarantee you we, the ytsejam, will know what's going on.
> And about Manson, I'm saying that I see them as a progressive metal band
> because they are experimenting with different sounds and I think they are
> unique and talented. My post had nothing to do with anger towards anyone
> on the jam, I just didn't like the way jeremy had 'banned' discussing
> manson. What I am angry about is that Jeff Chew's lifting shadows page was
> great, and now that red sector a took it over and it became the official DT
> page it's turned to shit.. trying to sell overpriced DT merchandise on the
> page and when I read the update section it sounds so pompous and worthless.
> for example, they referred to themselves as 'management' on the last
> update they wrote about european tour merchandise. Who cares, I don't like
> the page anymore.
i guess it'll upset you to know that jeff RUNS the red sector a
page. as for pricing of merchandise, i don't know how much they cost,
but i'm sure they're the same price we all paid for them in december.
this place (the ytsejam, i mean) is a source for discussion by
those who like dream theater and all other things ytse. once in a
while, we get the privledge (not a right) of offical word thruogh Mike
Portnoy on wwhat's going on.
you don't like it? fuck you. unsubscribe. we were here before
you and i guarantee you we'll be here when you unsubscribe.
> I read the jams when there is something that I find worthwhile to read
> about, which recently has been very infrequently, but I understand that's
> because DT is in a lull right now. I have no problem with that.
stupid question: if you only read the jam when it's worthwhile,
don't you have to read every jam to see if anything is important or not?
just a thought.
But I do
> not go around on the jams looking for someone to attack, I have posted very
infrequently, and when I do, it's because I have something to say
so say something of merit. you're like a fucking trashcan.
. The
> last one I wrote was in response to someone's question about 6:00 and
> Joyce. So fuckhead, instead of looking through the jams posting
> meaningless messages trying to be funny, why don't you post something
> useful or shut the fuck up.
those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw the first stone.
and if you like it, i'll shut you the fuck up. it's not a problem.
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he's getting out the marrow in your backbone,
and the seven trumpets blowing sweet rock and roll
gonna blow right down inside your soul.
pythagoras with the looking-glass, reflect the full moon.
in blood, he's writing the lyrics to a brand new tune.."
* * * * * * * * * *
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(c) 1997 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:48:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Symbolic66@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Guitar World (NDTC)
Message-ID: <970409194249_638880941@emout12.mail.aol.com>
<< >on the cover. I doubt any 40 year old jazz cat would write in about how
>much Bush sucks and Metallica rules.=20
Very good point. :) >>
maybe its a concpiracy of 40 year old jazz cats to get rid of the greater
evil through promoting metallica and condemning bush on guitar world...who
knows...maybe they figure kids who are as easily influenced as to listen to
bush will actually read and listen to their coert planned mass mailings...
just a theory...
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 16:53:08 -0700
From: Hector Crisantes <snyfarms@gateway.dakotacom.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: IS THAT FREEDOM ROCK!!!! WELL TURN IT UP, MAN.......
Message-ID: <334C2BE4.2F54@pop.dakotacom.net>
Hello,
It's me again... Did anyone happen to record the DS/JP clinic? I'm a
keyboardist and I love DT as many of you may already know, so I was
wondering if I could get a copy of the show. I'm willing to pay, trade,
or give blood for it. If you have any info as to who may have a tape of
the show, please let me know. I would appreciate your help. Also, if
anyone would like to share a copy of the "Guitar Talkin" boot, please
let me know also. Thanks in advance!!!!
Sincerely,
Hector Crisantes
AKA:
DTFreak
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 19:58:08 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: TNT (NDTCWNN)
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970409195808.00b706e0@pophost.fore.com>
The only official TNT live recording I know of is "Three Nights in Tokyo",
which you can now find as a bonus disc packaged with the new album
"Firefly". I haven't heard either, so I can't comment, but I don't know of
any other live TNT albums.
KAI
At 04:10 PM 4/9/97 -0700, you wrote:
>NDTCWNN = No DT Content Whatsoever, None, Nil...
>
>I was looking through an import catalog the other day and say a TNT live
>import called "Live in France or London or some crap like that"...
>wondering if any of you have that and would recommend it as a good live
>recording...
>
>-The Doc
>
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:53:28 -0400
From: Corey Bell <cmbell@inx.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: JPM100 Neck
Message-ID: <199704092353.TAA06407@inx>
I have the JPM100 and to the best of my knowledge there is no
scaloped(sp?) neck. It feels just like a USA Custom with the exception of
the frets, the customs have smaller frets and The JPM100 has jumbo's or
something larger....I hope this helps.....
See ya,
Corey
Check out my band, Joint Decision's, official website
at home.aol.com/steviemyer
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:01:38 -0500
From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
To: "'ryanwebb@earthlink.net'" <ryanwebb@earthlink.net>
Cc: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: T-Ride CD. I have a copy. I might be willing to trade/sell if the offer is right.
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/001D6AA8@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>
Quoth 2441...Last time I was at the local used CD store, I remember seeing
a couple of the T-Ride CD's....I'm pretty sure they havn't sold yet. So, if
anyone is interested, let me know....
Ryan
>T-Ride? Yeah they are cool. Trying to find it? Good luck! I tried long
>and hard to find the CD (I have a copy of the tape) and have yet to
>locate it. I have heard stories of it being in Bargain Bins for like $2
>but have yet to find one for myself. If anyone does, let me know please.
Reply...I have a copy, that I got in the bargain bin. Good guitar work, but
not quite my style. I might be willing to trade/sell if the offer is right.
Looking for Stratovarius, Symphony X (awaiting Divine Wings...), Altura,
Angra (already have Holyland), Therion or in similar vein.
-Randall
email: Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com
**"I'm looking California and feeling Minnesota" from "Outshined" by
Soundgarden**
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 20:10:06 -0700
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: TNT - No DT content, fucking or other
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970410031006.00694590@pop.pipeline.com>
Dr. Mosh asked about the TNT live cd. I think you are
referring to the Live in Tokyo (Three Nights in Tokyo)
cd. It's ok, but it's not all that great. I would recommend
ordering the special 2cd set of the new TNT cd "Firefly"
(which I don't have) which comes with the live cd, too. I believe
Knights of the Round is selling the set for about 30 bucks, which
isn't too bad if you consider it's 2cds. I do have the live
cd, and I am wishing I had known they weren't actually broken
up for good, so I could have bought the set instead. Oh well.
GO WINGS!
Kevin
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:30:53 -0500 (EST)
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Webring again!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970409202303.12216A-100000@infinite.wezl.org>
Howdy once again fellow Ytse-jammers! Just to give ya a few stats...the DT
WebRing "Lifting Shadows Off A Ring" is FAST becoming the most accessed
page on my freakin' server (wezl.org)!!!
FYI this server houses the un-official NiN page...a Tori amos mailing
list, and page that's WAY popular, The Heather Nova Page...And you guys
are Eatin' them ALL up!!! We've had 800+ hits in less than 1 week! Let's
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ThanX everyone for helping make this WebRing successful, and MANY thanks
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http://www.wezl.org/NuGgeTMaN/lift.html or look for us at www.webring.org
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:48:11 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: where are you now
Message-ID: <199704100048.RAA26285@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" said:
>>
>
>and just to stick my tongue out at the doc for fun, i just had my old STP
>cds out a few nights ago, and thought of how much they ruled ;) of
>course... maybe thats because heaven DID strike me with holy cow dung, and
>that explains the cow fetish too...........
>
You know cow man... when I first heard STP on the radio, I didn't think they
were too bad... but then I heard the album!!! My goodness... a bunch of no
talent suckers they were... hahahah... but hey, to each his own... so if you
like em, that's COW!!!
:P
-The Doc
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