YTSEJAM Digest 2440
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2438
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
2) Soundgarden breakup (NDTC)
by alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
3) MACHINE HEAD, Petrucc and Windham Hill????
by Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
4) Soundgarden done.
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
5) Put up or shut up
by sdh@seas.upenn.edu
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2439
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
7) WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!1
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2439
by Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
9) what is and isnt
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
10) Demise
by Rahul Ananda <spod@u.washington.edu>
11) Fates Warning
by "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
12) Memories bringing the years of the great Glam are now a present Booginsnewg...
by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
13) Rush news
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
14)
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
15) Scott Cook
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:52:57 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2438
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970409144118.27232A-100000@enteract.com>
> I had a great idea: why don't we send each other any Dream Theater content we
> may want to post by private e-mail, and just use the list to slag each other
> off in public.
Hehehehehehe I like!
> and secondly, these delays with dt's new album are really pissing me
> off. I don't really care that there are delays, but what bothers me is
> that no one really knows why.
We were under the impression that everyone knew why by now. Let
me state what we know, as we understand it from Mike Portnoy. The label
was being lazy about it, or at least, not giving them the go-ahead. DT
met with label. Label said "Hmm. Okay... we'll get you in the studio."
Petition meets label. DT and label meet again and are now slated to begin
recording in May once they return from the mini-tour in Europe. Official
updates will be delivered by Portnoy to the mighty Merlo, and we will be
certain to make this info VERY public.
> and that good for nothing Red Sector A page is
> doing nothing. They seem to be so fucking impressed with themselves that
> they're the official DT page yet they're doing nothing for the fans really.
I don't know if that page is done for a profit. I hope it's not..
that is... I'm sure the fans could collaborate and create a page of equal
coolness. If the page is done as a freebie, then give the guys a break.
Updates on the page have come slowly, but they look damn good, and no
pertinent information is missing.
> From: WildKoba@aol.com
> Subject: Fwd: Steve Vai tour dates & newsletter!
THANK YOU MASTER KOBA!
- Chris
petition and its results: http://www.prognosis.com/petition/
my feeble page: http://www.pronosis.com/madsman/
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:12:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
To: "Ytsejam International House of Pancakes (and Mailing List)" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Soundgarden breakup (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970409151015.26230A-100000@lars.acc.stolaf.edu>
good news for all the grunge-haters out there... bad news for the
soundgarden fans...
hmm... two posts in one day. i gotta slow down. i'll be like that merlo
guy in no time... :P
tah,
id
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 15:36:53 -0400
From: Aphrodite <lopezc@rpi.edu>
To: longroad-l@iastate.edu
Subject: LR: Soundgarden breakup
The Edge (radio station) in Albany has announced the breakup of Soundgarden :(
Here is what MTV Online posted about the breakup:
SOUNDGARDEN CALLS IT QUITS
Soundgarden's record label announced today that the group is breaking up to
pursue "other interests."
A statement released Wednesday by A&M Records briefly summarizes the
situation, saying, "After twelve years, the members of Soundgarden have
amicably and mutually decided to disband to pursue other interests. There
is no word at this time on any of the member's future plans."
The news comes two months after the band's last U.S. tour wound up in
Hawaii amid rumors of in-fighting and ill-will.
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:13:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MACHINE HEAD, Petrucc and Windham Hill????
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.93.970409130527.18717A-100000@mcl.ucsb.edu>
Although I am not that big of a fan of thrash metal, went
and saw MACHINE HEAD last night. They really can kick some
ass! 'Davidian' is one heavy ass song! The set was about
an hour and fifteen minutes long. Since it was their first
time in Santa Barbara, they also covered South of Heaven by
SLAYER. Anyways it was a cool show.
Also, does anyone have info about the classical album
Petrucci was going to play on for Windham Hill? An older
fan club interview mentioned it. I guess Morse was producing.
i have ANGRA's 'Freedom Call' and ELDRITCH's 'Seeds of Rage'
coming in the mail. Can't wait. ELDRITCH was only $14!!!!
layba day
Conrad
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:19:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
To: "Zee' Yzeejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Soundgarden done.
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970409161400.3572B-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
Anyone else heard that Soundgarden broke up? It just came across
WBCN about 5 minutes ago. (No crude BCN jokes please, I can't get WAAF (not
much better) from school.)
Charged some boot^H^H^H^Hlimited edition discs from Kiss the
Stone. I'm lokoing forward to getting them soon. I got DT's Mind
Control, and QR's Saints and Sinners, and *gasp* PUSA for my little bro
who just isn't catching that prog bug. I'm trying though.
-jeremy
+=====================================================================+
# grad student, Boston U. # "Some people fly, and some of us worry #
# Boston, MA 02134 # I'd risk it all to have wings #
# Astronomy # I know if I try, I'll get where I'm going #
#<*> Jeremy Hallum <*># keeping my eyes on the sky" #
#<*> jhallum@bu.edu <*># -Queensryche, "Some people Fly" #
#<*>jhallum@dreamt.org <*># http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ #
+=====================================================================+
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 16:25:22 -0400
From: sdh@seas.upenn.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Put up or shut up
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970409162519.006c6ce8@home.seas.upenn.edu>
Ok, Digital Man, why don't you explain to me why exactly the new album
has been delayed for so long? I have friends here in philly who are on the
jam and they have no idea either. The only things I have seen on the jam
or that stupid red sector a page is that there are personnel changes at the
label that have been delaying it. That statement is very vague and I have
yet to see anything on the jam more specific.
And about Manson, I'm saying that I see them as a progressive metal band
because they are experimenting with different sounds and I think they are
unique and talented. My post had nothing to do with anger towards anyone
on the jam, I just didn't like the way jeremy had 'banned' discussing
manson. What I am angry about is that Jeff Chew's lifting shadows page was
great, and now that red sector a took it over and it became the official DT
page it's turned to shit.. trying to sell overpriced DT merchandise on the
page and when I read the update section it sounds so pompous and worthless.
for example, they referred to themselves as 'management' on the last
update they wrote about european tour merchandise. Who cares, I don't like
the page anymore.
I read the jams when there is something that I find worthwhile to read
about, which recently has been very infrequently, but I understand that's
because DT is in a lull right now. I have no problem with that. But I do
not go around on the jams looking for someone to attack, I have posted very
infrequently, and when I do, it's because I have something to say. The
last one I wrote was in response to someone's question about 6:00 and
Joyce. So fuckhead, instead of looking through the jams posting
meaningless messages trying to be funny, why don't you post something
useful or shut the fuck up.
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:39:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2439
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970409151553.1970A-100000@enteract.com>
> From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
> Subject: Reply from the asshole of the jam
> Not that it matters but that's my side of it. As far as I'm concerned
> this thing with Mark is over from my end.
I see this, and I am totally relieved, thinking once again, peace
will reign for a short time...
and then Itchy posts THIS:
> bitch every time I comment on a flamewar or the lack of DTC. And now
> you bitch because I'm trying to take some off the flaming off the
> list.
Actually, you're perpetuating it yourself here.
> I'm sorry to post this crap, but I'll keep doing it until Scott
> decides to grow up. That might take a while, so get used to it.
Now it's on you, Itchy. Let it end. You can not win. Scott can
not win. Please, let it end.
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> as much as i'm against censorship, couldn't we maybe institute a "3
> strikes" program against needless flamers? i don't mean post by post,
> but if you're involved in several posts of a flame war (scott, mark)
> that's one strike. just something to think about/delete 'cause you don't
> care...
I think this is a great idea... but it's sort of already in
effect. The problem is that Skadz doesn't have time to read all of the
jams... and I personally would prefer not to annoy him with lots of
e-mails like "Look! Itchy should get a strike now, Right? Huh? Hmm?"
So I say we just correct each other.
> From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
> Subject: Re: Autographed stuff
> Order? Doesn't anybody go out and earn their autographs anymore?
How about it! I have a denim jacket that has over 20 autographs
(doubles from some of the guys in DT, since I saw em twice), and I sweated
through summer concerts with the damn thing on so I could have them all on
that jacket. I'm not knocking people who just want autographs... but it
doesn't carry the same sentimental value without the experience of getting
it signed yourself!
> So, who on this list has heard of T-Ride? Who among the Have Heards has
> their album? Yes yes, I know how cool it is... Aside from the T-Ride
> website, anyone know where I might probe around to find one? It's out of
> print and I don't think cdnow is all over it or anything...
I could do some probing of the annals (:P) of mighty out of print
albums for you, and just perhaps, purchase you a copy. The annals are
large and smelly, so if anyone else knows of an item sought by many, let
me know and I'll try to help out.
> From: Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
> Subject: Shutting down?
> play anything they so desired. What's this I hear that ytsejam is shutting
> down.
A Joke.
> Could someone E-mail me and tell me exactly
> what progressive rock means.
There's no permanent definition. You have to create the
definition yourself based on the music that people label progressive.
> From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
> Subject: Re: Shutting down?
*BEEP* PMS detector *BEEP*
> > Dt is the greatest band ever, and I thought
> > this mailing list was primarily for DT fans. All Manson fans need to go find
>
> OK, look dickbrain. Just because this list is for DT fans, it doesn't
> mean:
Merlo: Having a rough day?
> Here's some insight:
>
> * You want answers? Ask politely.
> * You want answers? Sit back and read for a while.
> * You want to learn something from this list? Give and take. Be a
> constructive citizen of our society.
Full on agree with you here...
> * But don't come blazing in here saying, "I'm new here, and it sucks.
> Change it for me." We won't.
I didn't see where he said that. I'm gonna sue DT, cause I can't
see much clearer now that I'm blind.
- Chris Ptacek
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 20:41:59 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!1
Message-ID: <334BFF17.ABD@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
>> From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
>> PPS - How about putting some Morse/Dregs on there?
> You got it! Check later tonight.
How about throwing some AC/DC up there, Chris? :)
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> From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
>> ...care if it takes three years for the new album as long as we know the truth
Apparently, it's on a need to know basis, and WE don't need to know :)
> "The truth is out there."
And the rumors are in here...
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> From: Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
> I love Rush, and I love Floyd, but I will not talk about Floyd hear. I'll
> talk to their mailing list.
Chris,
You're going to do just fine in here :) It's ok to talk Floyd in here,
BTW. Everything is all in the presentation.
> From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
> * You want answers? Ask politely.
Ok, where's the fook is the fookin' new CD?
I want what I want when I want it :)
Regards,
Jon
*------------*------------------------*--------------*
| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
*------------*------------------------*--------------*
I believe that what I'm feeling
Changes how the world appears - Rush
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 15:46:14 -0700
From: Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2439
Message-ID: <199704092045.AA06603@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello,
The subject refers to probably the single funniest digest of the
Ytsejam I have ever seen. First for this:
> "Gather Hebrews while ye may..."
BWAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! I leave the guys name out because I can't imagine
his shame at the number of flames this will generate. I think I'll clean
my shorts... "I damn near soiled my armor!" The line is world renowned:
"Gather ye rosebuds while ye may..." To learn the rest, read the FAQ or
finish high school.
And then this guy Christopher Bellardine. Man have you got
another thing coming. D-Man already bit on this one, but it was just the
single stupidest post I have ever seen! Well except some of mine of
course (that 12/24 time sig on DWD still gets to me!).
> Could someone E-mail me and tell me exactly what progressive rock
> means.
This says it all. The guy obviously has no clue what 80% of this list is
about if he has no personal concept of prog. And to bash QR in the manner
he did is Ytse-suicide. But I have the answer as to why this fella is so
slow on the uptake:
Note specifically that he is a Rutgers student. Every RU student is so
full of their own opinions that they don't know what to do with them, so
they dump them on people who could care less! How do I know this, you
ask? It's my alma mater... Chris, give me a call. I'm still in the area
and I'd be happy to tell you what prog is if I can stop laughing at you
long enough. And either go see The Empire Strikes Back or read Smeets's
sig: You must unlearn what you have learned...
DAMN NEWBIES!!!!! Read first, then think before you post. Then
don't post.
> Fuck these other bands that don't belong hear.
No, fuck you. You don't belong here.
Andrew
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 15:44:50 -0500
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: what is and isnt
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970409204450.0076ab54@mail.inlink.com>
>Well, I actually agree with Jeremy here (for once :) ... the list
>is not "to be about ... the music they enjoy." ... it's about DT and
>related topics. For instance, Metallica became a huge and insipid debate
>that did not, and does not belong on the list.
technically, you could rule out or include about anything this way.. like
what does rush really have to do with dream theater then? ok, they play odd
time signatures, MP may sight them as an influence.. he also sights rap and
all other forms of music. you want DT related topics, i could probably
relate MM to DT in some way.
Kevin played with DT
Joey Vera played with kevin
Jeff Ament played with Joey Vera
Mike Inez played with jeff ament
Ozzy played with mike inez
Filter toured with ozzy
fiter has an ex Nine Inch Nails member
trent reznor produces marilyn manson records.
i'm led to believe you agree with Jeremy because your opinions on marilyn
manson are not the highest in respect, wether it be conscious or not.
granted, that list of relation is idiodic, but so is everything else around
here, so why not :)
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:57:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rahul Ananda <spod@u.washington.edu>
To: Fucknuts <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Demise
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970409135433.51956A-100000@dante16.u.washington.edu>
Heard on the radio today that Soundgarden has permanently
disbanded. No reason was given -- just the 10 second
news clip. I thought some of you would like to know --
especially in the wake of the recent debates of prog-grunge.
Rahul Ananda : spod@u.washington.edu or thehand@dreamt.org
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:09:48 -0400
From: "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fates Warning
Message-ID: <199704092110.OAA29266@odin.ax.com>
Does anyone know a web page where I can get the lyrics to
"A Pleasant Shade Of Gray"?
The sound samples were great. Very impressive.
Elvis Batur
cyclone@securenet.net
elv@geocities.com
Music In Progress
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4257
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 16:31:17 +0000
From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Memories bringing the years of the great Glam are now a present Booginsnewg...
Message-ID: <334BC454.4635@sprynet.com>
Hi there.
T-Ride? Yeah they are cool. Trying to find it? Good luck! I tried long
and hard to find the CD (I have a copy of the tape) and have yet to
locate it. I have heard stories of it being in Bargain Bins for like $2
but have yet to find one for myself. If anyone does, let me know please.
Speaking of bargain bins and stuff, a strange turn of events has led me
back to the old days. The days of the Glam. Tomorrow at work for me and
some friends, GLAMFEST! That's right, all of your favorite glam bands
from Poison to Warrant, Stryper to Cinderella, will all be revisited.
This is NOT an insult to those of you who do listen to this stuff by the
way. I realize that a lot of it is quite good and the lyrics are dang
funny. But anyways, the point of this...
I was listening to my old tapes in preparation for GlamFest and I came
across one of my all-time most listened to tapes, Twisted Sister-Love is
for Suckers. Man, I used to jam to that one A LOT! So I stuck it in the
tape player and waited for "Wake up the Sleeping Giant," when to my
dismay - THE TAPE SNAPPED!!ALL THOSE MEMORIES! ALL THOSE YEARS OF GREAT
LISTENING! GONE! NOOOOOOOOO!!!! So if anyone knows where I can get a CD
of this Classic (to me, at least) for a cheap price, let me know!
On the other side of the spectrum, I was introduced to a cool Black
Metal band by the name of Cradle of Filth. Anyone got any info on these
guys they'd like to share? It was pretty dang rough and evil but I liked
it.
Sorry for this babblemarathon.
Check out my Ultra-sucky, Satan Barf Homepage, for more babbles.
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/2553
Later
Phillip
CD of the day: Alice Cooper "Raise Your Fist and Yell!" (yeah! This one
ROCKS!!!! )
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:45:19 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rush news
Message-ID: <199704092147.QAA08165@Walden.MO.NET>
I just saw that the Rush show scheduled for June 8 at Riverport
Amphitheater in St. Louis is FINALLY official. Tickets go on sale
this Saturday at 10am. I am there.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:23:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970409151621.18733A-100000@battlezone.rs.itd.umich.edu>
> Again, to the guy with the radio show:
> I've been thinking about that radio thing you're doing. It doesn't make
> sense to play a block of Metallica every week: everyone who is gonna
> like Metallica has already heard them. Everyone who likes them probably
> has all their stuff. It's like this.
i'd have to disagree with this.....chiefly for the fact that i liked
metallica long before i even considered buying their albums.....this wasa
primarily because a radio station would play metallica (old met, new met,
all kinds of met) at random intervals, and kept my interest high enuff, so
a coupla years later, when i started buying albums and stuff, I still
liked metallica.....
same goes for rush.....they've been my favorite band as long as i can
remember being interested in music in general....but, I don't believe I
owned any of their albums until the 90's.....
the weekly metallica content does have a purpose--keeping fans of load
interested enough so they may eventually check out older metallica, which
i think a majority of this list prefers......
partha
"can't be king of the hill if you're a slave to the grind"--skid row
(thanks to whoever mentioned this (richie?), haven't listened to it in
a longlong time)
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 16:45:09 -0400
From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Scott Cook
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970409164504.0079eb70@ionsys.com>
>I'm sorry to post this crap, but I'll keep doing it until Scott
>decides to grow up. That might take a while, so get used to it.
Actually, Mark, I think Scott has flamed just about everyone else on this
list as well. So you're certainly in good company. When he first came
onto the list, I thought he seemed like a pretty good guy, and almost
traded boots with him. But then I guess after the intimidation factor wore
off, he just became a total jerk. I too have seen his drivel on these
lists for over a year now.
Personally, I think we should just ignore the moron and hopefully he'll go
away. People like him are just looking for attention. Ooops, I think I
just flamed him. Guess I'm a hypocrite. But at least I know how to pick
my spots (Scott only knows how to pick his nose).
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