YTSEJAM Digest 2437
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Stratosphere
by Glover <glover@dns.thewebcorp.com>
2) YTSEJAM IS SHUTTING DOWN
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
3) Re: Sheehan clinic
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
4) Random replies....
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
5) Ptacek's Prog Page
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
6) Lincoln/Kennedy
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
7) MOUSEPAD (DT) Delay...but
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
8) MOUSEPAD (DT) Delay...but
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
9) MM and Guitar Magazines
by Aaron Happe <jared@stlnet.com>
10) Re: Hi Everybody...
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
11) Guitar World (NDTC)
by "Susan Ostroske" <spatz13@msn.com>
12) This Marilyn Manson Crap
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
13) rumors or fact??
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
14) contents
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
15) A great gig!!
by "Dennis de Barros B. Ferreira" <dbarros@sti.com.br>
16) Empty People, B's & C's
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
17) Re: Ytsejam digest 2.435 * 10^3
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
18) Spirit of Radio
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2436
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
20) Adam Cook & Scott Cook in the same 'jam - coincidence? I think NOT!
by Larry Odneal <hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com>
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Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 17:40:41 -0500
From: Glover <glover@dns.thewebcorp.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Stratosphere
Message-ID: <334AC969.23C0@dns.thewebcorp.com>
>Has anyone else noticed this: the music from about 3:05 to 3:35 in the
>Stratovarius song Stratosphere greatly resembles the music from
>Castlevania II: SImon's Quest after you have defeated the game. I >thought
>that was interesting.
>***Rob***
>rctaylor@uiuc.edu
Nope, I haven't, but I think the music in CastleVania II rocks hard,
especially the end. Any sharp-eared guitarists want to tab any of it? I
figured out the "Morning Sun Has Vanquished The Horrible Night Part" but
can't get any more of it. There is a Japanese band that covers the tune
though...........
-Jeff
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:16:28 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM IS SHUTTING DOWN
Message-ID: <199704082216.PAA17451@gms.gmsnet.com>
Ytsejam will hereby be shutdown in one week because the noise is high and
content is low...
-The Doc
;)
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 17:31:11 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Sheehan clinic Message-ID: <199704082233.RAA18496@Walden.MO.NET>
>SHEEHAN clinic? How was that? Elaborate please. Tell me more. Yeah, Billy Sheehan did a bass clinic the evening after the JP/DS clinic. Being a bass player myself, I went to this more in hopes of learning something (which I did), as opposed to being primarily entertained by JP/DS (though I did learn some stuff there, too). The main thing that I really got out of Sheehan was building up a good practice regimen, and the difference between practicing and playing (practicing being grueling, nasty hard work, and playing being playing songs). Also, he stressed that what works for one person, might not necessarily work for another (except to maybe show what not to do). He didn't play along to any tracks, but did play a lot of keen fast bass riffs and such (more than one person asked him to "play that again, only slower" :). He talked a lot about playing from the heart and being genuine. Talked about his gear some, too (had some really keen lights on his neck, too :). He really struck me as someone who just could not stop playing. Whenever he was talking to someone, he was constantly doodling around on his bass. He gave away a couple CDs (one was a Mr. Big best of thing, Japanese release). More talking than playing, but a good amount of playing, too.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:35:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Random replies.... Message-ID: <199704082238.PAA17681@king.axnet.net>
> > You say if I have something to say to you do it privately and > to quit replying to every single post of yours. Well, if you want > to do it privately then email me privately; and if you want me > to stop replying to all your posts then quit including my posts > in your replies. >
here's an idea - how 'bout neither of you reply to anything one says about the other!!!!!!!!!! sheesh............
Anyway - some random comments:
1.) Got a tape of Symphony X (thanks, Voges). I like them a lot. They're very chunky (no not fat - I love those staccato "chunk-chunk-chunk" rhythm licks..... Whoever it was that said they sounded like Yngwie was pretty right....if Malmsteen is considered "Neo-classical metal", then these guys should be considered "Neo-classical prog". Good stuff, good vocals, good harmonies, great guitar and drum work, and the keys are great too. Not as good as Superior (I still hate you, Bernd! :P), but definitely worth getting. If you like the intro to the Mirror, then you'll really dig these guys... And whoever caught that "Mars" thing - DAMMIT! you beat me to it - that popped right into my head when it first came on. What a great classical piece....
2.) Was at the ol' Cheapo Bin at Tunes in Hoboken, when what do I find....... EINSTEIN....the band that opened for DT at the Birch....pretty good stuff - nothing spectacular, kinda repetitive, but I like it.
By the way, the drummer is Jonathan Mover. Didn't mean that much to me, but apparently, according to my friend, this guy is a primo drummer, who has played with Marillion, Satraini, and Zappa (Frank).......interesting, but don't bitch at me if I'm wrong - my friend *IS* a drummer, so cut him some slack... :P
that's it for now......
-\Al
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Date: 08 Apr 97 16:21:50 -0700 From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ptacek's Prog Page Message-ID: <199704090001.RAA00795@mailsun3-fddi.us.oracle.com>
Check out Chris Ptacek's prog page folks. It's a great source of info about= prog bands and, if he continues to add to it (DO IT!!), could become a "definitive" source (whatever that means). Anyway, I think it's worth a loo= k.. http://www.prognosis.com/madsman/proglist.htm cheers, -Neil. PS - No, I was not asked or persuaded by anyone to post this. PPS - How about putting some Morse/Dregs on there? "Ah, the Miracle Mile... Where value wears a neon sombrero and there's not = a single church or library to offend the eye." --->Homer J. Simpson<---
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:23:27 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Lincoln/Kennedy Message-ID: <199704090022.RAA14998@odin.ax.com>
This is some phreaquey post a coworker got in a chain letter the other day. I thought this was rather interesting. I don't know how much is true, but it's still rather phreaquey...
This is sort of freaky, but interesting.
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Think about this....................
Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846. John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.
Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860. John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960. The names Lincoln and Kennedy each contain seven letters.
Both were particularly concerned with civil rights. Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.
Both Presidents were shot on a Friday. Both were shot in the head. Here is an interesting one...
Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy. Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln.
Both were assassinated by Southerners. Both were succeeded by Southerners.
Both successors were named Johnson.
Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808. Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.
John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln was born in 1839. Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy was born in 1939.
Both assassins were known by their three names. Both names compromise fifteen letters. Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse. Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater.
To cap it all off, Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials.
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:23:48 -0500 From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MOUSEPAD (DT) Delay...but Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.17.4.8.-14.23.48.13841.8451@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
Hey all,
Yes, I have gotten your email about your interest in the DT Mousepads. I am having the artwork changed for the better so there is a small delay on the production of the MOUSEPAD. I will let you all know as soon as I can about 'em! If you have any questions, feel free to write me. thanks!
Todd S
or
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:25:48 -0500 From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MOUSEPAD (DT) Delay...but Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.17.4.8.-14.25.48.11751.19041@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
Hey all,
Yes, I have gotten your email about your interest in the DT Mousepads. I am having the artwork changed for the better so there is a small delay on the production of the MOUSEPAD. I will let you all know as soon as I can about 'em! If you have any questions, feel free to write me. thanks!
Todd S
or
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Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 19:33:01 -0500 From: Aaron Happe <jared@stlnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MM and Guitar Magazines Message-ID: <334AE3BD.5575@mail.stlnet.com>
Well I dont know about MM being on a TV show...but I do know that Billy Corgan from Smashing Pumkins was in Small Wonder, he was that little anoying kid. Its nice to know he is as bad of in actor as he is a singer (no offence to anyone who may like the wailing moose).
Also the deal with Guitar world, yeah!! It does suck, I never seem to have gotten much good out of those mags. The only thing that I really had enjoyed from them where the JP guitar colums and A John Myung bass clinic type interview. I even remember when they put down that chick from White Zombie, Jason Newstead and get this THE GUY FROM GREENDAY! as the top five bassists (and I like Metallica but Jason is no way one of the top five bassits). I know the Guitar World is sort of forced to put this crap in it to sell them, but... its really getting outta hand.
-Aaron Happe
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:55:36 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Hi Everybody... Message-ID: <199704090054.RAA15437@odin.ax.com>
> Sorry, no DTC but for the SLC locals, Michael Romeo will be giving > a free clinic at Summerhay's music Center on Bengal Blvd. Limited > seating but FREE! The date is 4-29-97 at 7:00 pm. Sorry for the > clutter but, enquiring minds want to know.
WAH! I'm gonna be down there around the 19th. :( I'll even go jam on the Trinity at said store. Too bad it's on a Twosday, I'll never get there. I must admit, that guy kicks ass. I just got my first Symphony X CD today and must admit, it rokz nadz verily. Quite Yngwie-like and remeniscent of old 80s hair metal at times, yet very symphonic and enthralling. I must get the rest of these!
> I have the rust in peace guitar book. If you want, I could copy it > for you. However, I can't do it for free. My local video store > charges 15 cents a page. If you can't find it anywhere else, you've > always got right here if you need it.
That's OK, dude, I've already got a good tab of it from an old guitar magazine. ;)
> Thank you to everybody that readed this mail!!! > And sorry about my "Bad" English... I'm brazilian :-(
Don't worry, your English is no worse than anyone else's here. :) We all suck.
> Scott > > ps. Coming from a place that has legalized prostitution I > wouldn't want to go around with the nickname of "Itchy" :-)
Despite the smiley, you totally annhialated the whole point of your post. Don't criticize others when you just keep making a fool of yourself.
"Idle hands are the Devil's advocate. Keep busy thine hands and forbid the Devil into thy lustful desires!" --Bishop Maynard on the subject of self arrousal. "KorgX3" ibanez@cyberhighway.net http://www.cyberhighway.net/~ibanez
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 97 01:10:22 UT From: "Susan Ostroske" <spatz13@msn.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Guitar World (NDTC) Message-ID: <UPMAIL08.199704090112010320@msn.com>
>Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:06:06 -0400 >From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
>on the cover. I doubt any 40 year old jazz cat would write in about how >much Bush sucks and Metallica rules.=20
Very good point. :)
Just for the record (it supports your hypothesis abut readers' ages) my subscription to Guitar World lasted from somewhere around age 14 or 15 to 19... now I can't stand that waste of dead trees.. :) But it served it's purpose...
Suz http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3781
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:27:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: This Marilyn Manson Crap Message-ID: <199704090127.VAA13457@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
The only thing I have to say about Marilyn Manson is that they should start their own online thing and call it the shitjam. MM is the farthest thing from progressive that there is out there besides rap music (some of which is ok) but MM is just trash. (only stating my opinion) and it doesn't belong on the jam. If you wish to flame me do it in personal e mail, but beware... I have an alliance against MM. They may write back.
I have to paint my face white and change my name Later, J
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:27:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: rumors or fact?? Message-ID: <199704090127.VAA12989@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
Here are some good rumors that I heard:
Metallica is breaking up. Michael Jackson's kid is really his. There is a UFO behind the comet Hale-Bopp Mike Portnoy is gay I am adopted Rush is breaking up. John Myung is giving the key address at the Democratic Nat'l Conv.
Ha-Ha :) J
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Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 20:56:54 -0500 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: contents Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970409015654.008d26fc@mail.inlink.com>
>The only thing I have to say about Marilyn Manson is that they should start >their own online thing and call it the shitjam. MM is the farthest thing >from progressive that there is out there besides rap music (some of which is >ok) but MM is just trash. (only stating my opinion) and it doesn't belong on >the jam.
your opinion is cool with me, but i'm a heavy jammer as well, and lets get a rundown of me:
I like marilyn manson, i wont go into my reasons because its not relevant I'm currently listening to Public Enemy's Apocalypse 91 cd (Rap music, for those who dont know) This list is to be about Dream Theater fans to discuss music they enjoy. this doesnt just constitute progressive music. if you want that, there's i'm sure a prog music list out there. I personally dont care for some of those prog bands out there, in fact the only prog i listen to is the basics like FW, Ryche, Rush, and a few others. i dont find it a problem if people want to discuss other prog bands i dont care for on this list. if they're a DT fan, they like the music, and others on this list also like it and want to discuss it in the forum, then go for it. I'm sure theres some marilyn manson fans on this list, or ones interested in this thread, the simple thing to do is page down past it, and dont let it get to you. 100% of the content obviously wont interest everyone, definately not that way for me, but provoking things may end up sustaining a thread to really boring potential that would have died out quickly otherwise.
and no one better start rippin on rap music now, or i'll get mike portnoy to come beat you up too :) ~Rip
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:14:56 -0300 From: "Dennis de Barros B. Ferreira" <dbarros@sti.com.br> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: A great gig!! Message-ID: <199704090302.AAA03578@davinci.sti.com.br>
Brazil has become one of the most important places in the world for those who like rock and progressive bands. Sepultura (of course), Slayer, Faith no More, Deep Purple, Page & Plant, Jethro Tull, Rick Wakeman, Santana, Supertramp, Satriani, Vai, Iron, Metallica, Helloween, Black Sabbath, and much more already played here in Brazil... How can Dream Theater be out of this list? Sao Paulo is the third major city in the world, and we've got many DT fans over here. This is a formal invitation !!!!!! :) Please spread it out !!
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 20:41:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thezbians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Empty People, B's & C's Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970408203922.63344B-100000@dante13.u.washington.edu>
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> > Subject: Need FW soundclip address again!!! > > In the last jam, someone posted the address of a web site with some new > sound clips from Fates Warning. I deleted the jam before I made note of > the address. Could someone please fill me in?
What are you, a lonely coloring book?
---- > From: Glenn Pillsbury <pillsbur@ucla.edu> > Subject: Meshuggah and John Hendricks > > Ok, much bandwidth wasted on babble, burble, and banter. Please don't > bicker or start a brouhaha. Bye.
BWAAAhahahaha, berrrry well said. Berry berry well indeed... Where have you gone, Strawberry Shortcake?
---- > From: Kramer <CK78729@ltu.edu> > Subject: coupla things > > -C#
Dammit, it's C-SHARP, not C#!
So when's da new album comin' out? When's LaBrie gonna release a vocal workout video?
Bafu Andrai
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Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 23:17:47 -0500 From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Ytsejam digest 2.435 * 10^3 Message-ID: <334B186B.1643@auburn.net>
Matt Rosin wrote: > here are a few others for you... > michael and janet jackson.. they're the same person...
"Michael is Janet/Janet is Michael/I'm so confused now/Who is Diana?" FZ
D-Man said: > OK, thanks for clearing that up. I have to go back to shaving Portnoy's > head for the upcoming tour. Which part is further from the truth? The shaving or the touring? :)
Richard Warren said: > The best thing about the clinic......I got my JPM100P2 signed by the man > himself. The best thing about living in Alabama - no annoying DT clinics or concerts to cause traffic problems in our many major metropolitan areas.
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 00:39:49 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Spirit of Radio Message-ID: <v01530501af70db98b66b@[207.79.6.154]>
To the guy that played the radio show: Care to list the name of the bands with the songs? I knew Speed King and Rainbow in the Dark, but not much else. Ok, I admit, I knew Metropolis, too.
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 00:43:15 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2436 Message-ID: <v01530502af70dca2f518@[207.79.6.154]>
>Sounds like either George Carlin, or perhaps something Bafu Vai would say...
Please Don't start "George Carlin Sucks".
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 01:52:13 -0400 From: Larry Odneal <hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Adam Cook & Scott Cook in the same 'jam - coincidence? I think NOT! Message-ID: <334B2E8D.A95@ix.netcom.com>
Adam Cook wrote:
I doubt any 40 year old jazz cat would write in about how much Bush sucks and Metallica rules.
You're right, Adam. As an over-40 prog cat, I would write in and say they BOTH suck.
Scott Cook wrote:
You say if I have something to say to you do it privately and to quit replying to every single post of yours. Well, if you want to do it privately then email me privately; and if you want me to stop replying to all your posts then quit including my posts in your replies.
Hmmmmm. . . I don't remember saying that . . . oh, I get it, Scott was writing to Itchy! Thanks Scott - about 1000 people just read your "private" message, and I think I can speak for most of them in asking you to practice what you preach. PLEASE take this shit to E-mail and spare us your little rivalry. C'mon, man, I enjoy most of your posts, but this thing is getting really old.
Ya know, it would be way out of line to make a little pun here, like "Too many Cooks spoil the jam" so I won't say it. Sorry - you guys are cool, but I just couldn't resist.
The YtseLurker
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