YTSEJAM digest 2435

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Tue Apr 08 1997 - 13:31:06 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 2435

    Today's Topics:

      1) Re: Marilyn Manson...
     by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
      2) Re: marilyn manson
     by matt rosin <msr7146@unix.tamu.edu>
      3) Re: marilyn Manson
     by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
      4) RE: time sigs
     by Mark Hatch-Miller <ace@onfire.net>
      5) Clinic
     by Richard Warren <rwarren@memphisonline.com>
      6) I just heard a couple of strange rumors...
     by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
      7) Re: Time Signatures, Clinics
     by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
      8) YAOTM?
     by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
      9) "The Spirit of Radio"
     by Glenn Pillsbury <pillsbur@ucla.edu>
     10) Mo' Clinics
     by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
     11) other bands
     by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
     12) Geetar mags, sexual intercourse
     by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
     13) Stratosphere
     by Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
     14) Re: other bands
     by Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
     15) Guitar mags, Manson, etc...
     by Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
     16) Saigon Kick Information
     by Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
     17) HA!
     by szebro1@gl.umbc.edu

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    Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 00:16:43 EDT
    From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Marilyn Manson...
    Message-ID: <19970407.211700.3406.8.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>

    On Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:41:03 -0700 (PDT) jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu
    (Shane Liebling) writes:
    >. As far as I know, MM is not the guy from Wonder Years, but is
    >in actuallity the guy who played the older brother in Mr. Belvedeare.
    >His name is Brian something I think,

    I just checked this book I have on all TV shows produced between
    1946-1995, and for Mr. Belvedere The older boy (Kevin) was played
    by Rob Stone and the younger boy (Wesley) was played by Brice
    Beckham. The ages of teh characters were 16 & 8 respectively.

    Scott
    *******************************************************************************************
    In the year 2000, Aunt Jemima and Mrs. Butterworth will tarnish
    their image by admitting that they've "Tasted each others' syrup."
    Conan O'Brien April 1, 1997.
    *******************************************************************************************

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    Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:47:18 -0500 (CDT)
    From: matt rosin <msr7146@unix.tamu.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: marilyn manson
    Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970407214747.43f76660@unix.tamu.edu>

    >In regards to the is paul from the wonder years Marilyn Manson.. Yes it is
    >paul from the wonder years. He is marilyn Manson.

    don't believe everything you read.

    let me re-emphasize this... MM is *NOT* paul from the wonder years.
    i actually know someone who went to the same high school as MM did,
    and i can assure you MM is NOT paul from the wonder years.
    i used to know his actual name, but i have since forgotten it.

    it is shocking how easily people buy into bullshit rumors...

    here are a few others for you...

    michael and janet jackson.. they're the same person...
    michael jackson and diana ross... they're the same person...
    neil peart has cancer...
    alex lifson has cancer...
    geddy lee has cancer...
    neil peart had AIDS...
    kevin moore has testicular cancer...

    those sound familiar?

    as a wise man once said, "you should go through life with a built-in
    shit-detector".

    sorry for the off-topic post, but come on, people... don't swallow
    rumours as truth. more often than not, they're bullshit.
    such is the case here.

    -matt.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    m a t t r o s i n / imagescape@tamu.edu
    s u r r e a l i t y / http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape/
    darketherealambient / po box 864, college station, tx 77841-0864
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    Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:58:34 -0400 (EDT)
    From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: marilyn Manson
    Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970408005523.2439A-100000@digital.dreamt.org>

    On Mon, 7 Apr 1997 Insydeout@aol.com wrote:

    > In regards to the is paul from the wonder years Marilyn Manson.. Yes it is
    > paul from the wonder years. He is marilyn Manson. He got bored with his life
    > after the show and went to school. He dicided he needed excitement in his
    > life and came up with this character. He's doing better now than he ever did.
    > I saw this on a television show.

    Ohhhhh, so it *must* be true. I saw this show once where fat guys in
    spandex were rolling around in a boxing ring. At first I didn't believe
    that they were really getting hurt, but since I saw it on tv, well...

    OK, thanks for clearing that up. I have to go back to shaving Portnoy's
    head for the upcoming tour.

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    Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 22:20:33 -0700
    From: Mark Hatch-Miller <ace@onfire.net>
    To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: RE: time sigs
    Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970407222021.00692034@onfire.net>

    >When I play "hextuplets" in 4/4 time, when each count of "four" beats has
    >ended, I have played a total of twelve notes. I refer to these as "twelfth
    >notes" because there are twelve of them in a measure. I don't know who
    >created the first methods of counting time or who decided that Western
    >music would be divided primarily by the number 2 (with a little help from
    >brother 3), but if the phenomenon of having eight notes per measure is
    >called "eighth notes" and the phenomenon of having sixteen notes per
    >measure is called "sixteenth notes," then twelve notes per measure simply
    >equals "twelfth notes."

    Last time I checked, hex means six.. and in 4/4 time, that would equal 24
    notes, not 12.. just wanted to clear that up. : ) You make a good
    arguement, and it makes sense to me, but the musical powers that be have
    determined that (at least in typical, tradition music theory) hextuplets in
    4/4 time are NOT 12th notes. This is ONLY true because half notes, whole
    notes, quarter notes, and 16th notes have an assigned value, and are not
    affected by meter, while "twelfth notes" do not have an assigned value, at
    least according to your definition as "twelve notes in a measure" and
    therefore would also be triplets if played in 3/4 time, 8th notes if
    played in 12/8, etc etc etc.\

    Mark Hatch-Miller

    P.S. This is not a flame, and Im sorry for keeping this thread going for so
    long because I know that noone really cares about 12th notes or 53rd notes
    or whatever : )
    -------------------------------------------------------------

    Mark Hatch-Miller, ace@onfire.net

    "He's noble enough to know whats right
            but weak enough not to choose it
    He's wise enough to win the world
            but fool enough to lose it"-

                            Rush, "New World Man"

    -------------------------------------------------------------

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    Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 00:55:46 -0500
    From: Richard Warren <rwarren@memphisonline.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Clinic
    Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970408005545.006b8d1c@memphisonline.com>

    I know the St. Louis JP and DS clinic has been beaten to death but I have a
    few comments.

    Of course the clinic was incredible. JP and DS seem like they are
    genuinely nice people. If Derek seemed reluctant to sign autographs I am
    sure it was because there was something with Kevin involved. I can't blame
    him at all. Kevin was the original keyboard player and contributed a great
    deal to the band but....he chose to leave. Derek is the keyboard player
    now. I am thrilled to have a musician of his caliber in the band. The
    most important thing is he wants to be in this band and it shows. On top
    of the clown that asked about harmonizing bass lines on SDV some other
    idiot asked him what Kevin was doing. Derek made the comment about Mike
    saying he went to Costa Rica. The idiot had the nerve to pursue it further
    and say "so he is not doing anything musical"? If I were Derek I would not
    have given him the time of day.

    There seems to be some confusion as to the songs JP played so here they are:

    Purple Rain
    Burning My Soul
    Speak to Me
    Lines in the Sand
    Hollow Years
    Sammy's Nap
    2 Songs from the Sega game (these are on the Mesa Boogie web site)

    The best thing about the clinic......I got my JPM100P2 signed by the man
    himself.

    Later,

    Richard Warren
    rwarren@memphisonline.com

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    Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 01:49:50 +0000
    From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: I just heard a couple of strange rumors...
    Message-ID: <199704080756.AAA05281@odin.ax.com>

    > as a wise man once said, "you should go through life with a built-in
    > shit-detector".

    Last I heard, Mike Portnoy had just bought a great amount of stock in
    the "Hair Club for Men." and donated alot of money to the Research of
    Zebras with Enlarged Uvulas Foundation.

    I can't imagine why...
    "And lo cameth down from the mountain the wombat and
    thus gaveth he the blessing of life unto Australia.
    Thus spaketh he 'dweefle' and it was good. O, how
    the divine blessing of his teaching scoureth the
    land and yea, harken unto he the herald of the
    Divine Being 'dweefle' and harken unto thyself the
    message of the wombat, and ye shall gain everlasting
    peace."
                  ---From the teachings of KorgX3
                          http://www.cyberhighway.net/~ibanez
                          ibanez@cyberhighway.net

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    Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 01:45:54 +0000
    From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Time Signatures, Clinics
    Message-ID: <199704080811.BAA05363@odin.ax.com>

    Bafu uddered...

    > If you haven't tried playing with a Dunlop Jazz III, give it a shot. It
    > has a built-in precision that will work wonders for your chromatic
    > playing, among other things. You'll be playing like Petrucci in 30 days,
    > or your sanity back!

    No Shit! Those picks kick ass. When I bought my RG570, I badgered
    the guy into giving me a few free picks and I only grabbed one of
    these things not knowing how splendid they are. it eventually was
    gobbled up by that big cubical machine that has the spinning thing in
    it that swishes your clothes around in soapy water. I've been damned
    to never find another music store that sells em. I've been stuck
    with plain ol' Big Stubbies ever since which are rather nice as well.
    :)

    Jim Dunlop is an amazing man. :)
    "And lo cameth down from the mountain the wombat and
    thus gaveth he the blessing of life unto Australia.
    Thus spaketh he 'dweefle' and it was good. O, how
    the divine blessing of his teaching scoureth the
    land and yea, harken unto he the herald of the
    Divine Being 'dweefle' and harken unto thyself the
    message of the wombat, and ye shall gain everlasting
    peace."
                  ---From the teachings of KorgX3
                          http://www.cyberhighway.net/~ibanez
                          ibanez@cyberhighway.net

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    Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 01:33:55 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
    To: Dream Thezbians <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: YAOTM?
    Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970408013331.39742A-100000@dante03.u.washington.edu>

    > From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
    > Subject: Thanks in Advance!!
    >
    > I just wanted to thank everyone in advance for giving me the
    > Ytse-asshole of the month Award. This is good therapy for Mark. I should
    > send him a picture of myslef to him so he can post it on his web page so
    > he can show everyone what the Ytsejam's #1 asshole looks like. That
    > should give Itchy a big ol' erection. When the only way you can get
    > attention from a woman is to get a hooker, you gotta get your kicks
    > where you can.

    Do I need any special computer apparati to start a mailing list? We really
    do need some larger forum for discussion as to which of these two men has
    the mightier erection.

    Bafu Vaiii

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    Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 01:56:19 -0800
    From: Glenn Pillsbury <pillsbur@ucla.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: "The Spirit of Radio"
    Message-ID: <v03007802af6fc57e23bc@[164.67.249.133]>

    Ye olde Jammers-

    The setlist for my radio show (cool name, eh?) last night is below. It was
    a very strange experience to play metal in a semi-legit setting. I felt
    like I was at KNAC (dead LA metal station).

    Glenn

    Broon's Trees Across Xanadu (a sequence from Exit...Stage Left)
    Aces High
    Speed King
    Victim of Changes
    Red
    Through the Never
    ..And Justice For All
    Blitzkrieg (I'm planning on doing a Metallica block each week. Hard to fit
    DT into 15 minutes.)
    Metropolis
    Outside Looking In
    Fallen Angel (gasp! Poison!)
    Rainbow in the Dark
    Wild Child (gasp! g.a.s.p.! W.A.S.P.!)
    Mouth For War
    Sickening (Meshuggah)
    Seasons in the Abyss
    King For A Day
    Desperate People

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    Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 02:08:43 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
    To: Dream Thezbians <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Mo' Clinics
    Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970408020650.39742E-100000@dante03.u.washington.edu>

    > From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
    > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2429
    >
    > Or when he stressed that he was double-picking these fast runs, and how
    > it'd be extrememly difficult to do it with downstrokes only, but that
    > Jems Hetfield could probably do it (then went on to do some runs with
    > downstrokes, mixing the Enter Sandman riff in between :).

    He did that at the Boston clinic...

    "Maybe James Hetfield... (tightens up elbow) ..." CRUNCHCRUNCHCRUNCH
    CRUNCHCRUNCHCRUNCH!! CRUNCHCRUNCHCRUNCHCRUNCHCRUNCHCRUNCHCRUNCH!!

    > I saw a number of glam boys there (and the next night at the Sheehan
    > clinic). He probably worked for McMurray :).

    SHEEHAN clinic? How was that? Elaborate please. Tell me more.

    Bafu Ha Andato

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    Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 03:33:09 -0700
    From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: other bands
    Message-ID: <199704081033.DAA00154@ms.kallback.com>

    Hey,
    I'm flippin through the Dream Disc catalog.
    Anyone have any reviews, recommendations or better descriptions of the
    following bands?

    Acacia
    Elegy
    Poverty's No Crime
    D.I.M.
    Time Machine

    Thanks.
    Trevor

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    Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 10:14:49 -0500
    From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Geetar mags, sexual intercourse
    Message-ID: <334A60E9.5B29@auburn.net>

    > From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
    > Speaking of guitar mags... I just started looking at a current issue of
    > either Guitar or Guitar World (both of which I am just waiting for my
    > subscription to run out)

    Yep, that's me. The only mag I'm going to keep is Guitar Player, and
    they're not even what they used to be, IMO. I liked it better when they
    had actual columns that had been written (for the most part) especially
    for the issue. Paul Gilbert, Nathan East, Frank Zappa, Mike Keneally,
    and Buckethead all had columns that I liked. Oh well....

    > From: chief <KOPPENKM@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu>
    > whoever the fuck you are -
    > stop sending me your pointless shit. i don't want it. go bother someo
    > ne else. oh, by the way, how the fuck did you get my goddamn name?
    Your mother screams it at the top of her lungs every night. That freaked
    me out when she included your email address, though.
    (I decided to wait at least 1000 'jams before I even consider posting
    that huge bird finger again. Even then, the waste o' bandwidth fairy
    would probably shoot me....)

    B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y.

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    Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:19:01 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Stratosphere
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970408101639.4177A-100000@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu>

    Has anyone else noticed this: the music from about 3:05 to 3:35 in the
    Stratovarius song Stratosphere greatly resembles the music from
    Castlevania II: SImon's Quest after you have defeated the game. I thought
    that was interesting.

    ***Rob***
    rctaylor@uiuc.edu

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    Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 00:50:51 +0900
    From: Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: other bands
    Message-ID: <199704081550.AAA28772@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp>

     Greetings 'Jammers!

     Alright. Let me say something about following bands.

    >Acacia

     Sorry. I don't know about them.

    >Elegy

     Wow, they rules! They released 3 albums (with original vocalist) and 1
    e.p. (with new vocalist) The best of them is their 3rd album titled "LOST".
    Very melodic and technical music. Some kind of Yngwie cloan guitar player
    and high-tone vocalist.

    >Poverty's No Crime

     Not good band. I think. B-class German metal band. Better save your money!

    >D.I.M.

     Scandinavian band. Not too good and not too bad. Just average band. I felt
    nothing from them.

    >Time Machine

     Very prog-metal band. Their 2nd offering "Garilleo" (s.p?) is the best offer.

     Thanks.
    -Keiji Nishihara
      Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp
      tq0139@mail.doshisha.ac.jp

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    Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 11:25:39 -0700
    From: Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Guitar mags, Manson, etc...
    Message-ID: <199704081624.AA19362@gateway2.prudential.com>

    Hello,
            On the subject of guitar mags which suck as a general concept
    these days, I personally despise the fact that they continually reprint
    the same transcriptions over and over. For instance: Runnin' with the
    Devil, 3 times; I Don't Believe in Love, twice; Stairway to Heaven, lost
    count. And of course, it's always the songs that I can figure out on my
    own and not wast $5 on. But will they reprint the transcription of Hangar
    18 or Get the Funk Out which I lost both of and could never figure out
    the solos. Hell no!
            Oh, and I guess when they were talking about the enormous guitar
    playing talents on MTV that they ignored the 10 hours a day they spend on
    The Real World, Singled Out, Idiot Savants and all the other gutter trash
    TV. Not to mention 10 hours of video after video of Snoop, Tupac, and
    Spice Girls. Not that I mind, it makes it easier to surf right past the
    channel when I'm bored.
            On this child star turned musician note: I also heard the lead
    singer of Smashing Pumpkins was the kid Jamie on Small Wonder. Oh, wait!
    That rumour's true!:)
            As for this Jazzmin person:

    >Don't EVEN THINK about starting a thread. I'm still recovering from the
    >LAST flame war.

    Dontcha just love when someone tells you not to do something, right after
    doing it themselves. "I'm sick of all you hypocrites, holding me at
    bay..." heheh...
            And as for what Bafu said:

    >And if you're going to go see "The Saint," for hell's sake cover your
    >ears when the Russian Mob chases him down into the parking garage. The
    >tire screeching is just excruciating...

    And cover your eyes for the first 2hrs 10min. Oh wait, that's the whole
    movie! IT SUCKED! Use your $8 to see Grosse Pointe Blank, much better
    movie, and it doesn't have any dumb Russians. Just a dumb Bulgarian...
            On the Ytse-A**hole of the month, couldn't we change the name to
    something less vulgar. Itchy wants to make this a nicer place, so why
    don't we just call it "The Jammer Least Likely To Contribute Something
    Useful to the Jam or Society in General"? Or is that too wordy...:)

    Andrew

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    Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 11:30:26 -0700
    From: Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Cc: rush@syrinx.umd.edu
    Subject: Saigon Kick Information
    Message-ID: <199704081629.AA19453@gateway2.prudential.com>

    Hello!
            My thanks in advance to the list moderators for allowing me to post this. This
    contains no new information, it is just a repost of the original note that I sent. I am
    reposting in the interests of those who may have deleted digests either accidentally, or
    due to unwarranted content. Any of the initial respondents need not respond again.

            As there is not one currently in existence, and the fan base is fairly small (to
    my knowledge), are there any folks interested in helping me create or simply joining a
    SAIGON KICK MAILING LIST. I would only maintain it for the transmission of any important
    info from management and the band, much like the Dream Theater Voices list is
    (supposedly) run.
            If you are interested mail me at: andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com. Just put a
    subject of "SK" and a message saying your level of interest, i.e. help to create, just
    joining, etc. and your full name.
            Keep in mind the purpose would be information distribution, not free-writing for
    the musically omniscient. Also, if you know of others that would be interested, feel
    free to forward this note to them or other band mailing lists (remember not to forward
    the whole digest). Please let me know if you do so what lists you've sent it to. Please
    do not place this on any government or business related distribution lists. The project
    may have to be cancelled if this is done.
            When I get enough names, I will contact the band's management to demonstrate
    that there is some interest, no matter how insignificant. I say this to reinforce the
    idea that this has, right now, only a possibility of coming to fruition. As the number
    of names grows, maybe we'll get something more formal with the band and expand the
    list's parameters.
            Thank you again to the list moderators for letting me post this.

    Andrew Forcier
    andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com

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    Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:48:16 -0400 (EDT)
    From: szebro1@gl.umbc.edu
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: HA!
    Message-ID: <199704081648.MAA03498@umbc8.umbc.edu>

    >
    > Date: Mon, 07 Apr 97 15:44:42 EST
    > From: chief <KOPPENKM@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu>
    > To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
    > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2433
    > Message-ID: <970407.154601.EST.KOPPENKM@miamiu.muohio.edu>
    >
    > whoever the fuck you are -
    > stop sending me your pointless shit. i don't want it. go bother someo
    > ne else. oh, by the way, how the fuck did you get my goddamn name?
    >
    > fuck you.

    In these, the "slow" times as far as new DTC is concerned, posts like this
    make reading the jam worthwhile.

    :)

    Steve Z

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