YTSEJAM Digest 2434
Today's Topics:
1) Re: DTC, well, kinda' and Guitar Mags
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2433
by chief <KOPPENKM@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2432
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
4) Jeff's We-Are-The-World/ACOS Dream
by jazzmin@ou.edu
5) Dear Scott
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2433
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2433
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
8) Canada: where the CAN is more important than the DUH :)
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
9) Re: Meshuggah and John Hendricks
by Symbolic66@aol.com
10) Re: Meshuggah and John Hendricks
by Symbolic66@aol.com
11) RealAudio, SYmphony X
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
12) Power Of Omens
by ProgRocker@aol.com
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2433
by eckie@asu.edu
14) Marilyn Manson...
by jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
15) Gypped again!
by Brian Henderson <Cyberburlap@icdc.com>
16) marilyn Manson
by Insydeout@aol.com
17) Time Signatures, Clinics
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 97 12:08:08 PST8
From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DTC, well, kinda' and Guitar Mags
Message-ID: <9703078604.AA860440849@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>In the April 1997 issue of Guitar Player Magazine, there is an article about a
>guy named Daniel Lanois (who playd guitar for movie soundtracks) titled "Dream
>theater". The same issue also has a page talking about the band Altura, and
>mentions their Dream Theater influence. Hmm, this is about the closest this
>magazine has come to talking about DT since Awake came out. I hope they hurry
>up with the new album :)
Speaking of guitar mags... I just started looking at a current issue of
either Guitar or Guitar World (both of which I am just waiting for my
subscription to run out), and it is a whole issue dedicated to Mtv. This is all
fine and good I guess, but the editor's comment in the beginning really rubbed
me the wrong way. He said something to the effect that everybody should be
watching Mtv, because anybody that is of any talent wil be seen there. What?
Has this guy been watching the same Mtv as the rest of us? I am almost mad
enough to write to them, but I don't want my letter printed in the stupid
letters section where all they do is rag on Metallica/praise Metallica, rag on
Van Halen/praise Van Halen, etc... What ever happened to guitar magazines that
are for guitar players? I mean, I remember reading magazines like Circus and
Hit Parader way back in the hair spray 80s just to try and get info on Iron
Maiden and Rush...but then started getting guitar magazines to learn guitar and
find out about all these really talented musicians from every genre of music
imagineable. It was great. Now all of these mags rehash the same trendy bands,
and praise their guitar players like they are the next best thing since
Hendrix. Now I know that the guys who work for these magazines must be pretty
decent guitar players, they can't really be this lame, can they? you would
think that some of these guys with more scruples would have split and started
their own magazine where they can actually talk about talented musicians and
not just the trend setters. Well, that's my Monday morning rant <G>!
Everybody go out and spread the word about all the great musicians that you
have discovered, because they sure aren't going to get any support from our
trend conscious media....
Oh well, new Fates Warning in just over two weeks! There may be hope yet...
~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ)
Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com / mkizer@goodnet.com / fugazi@weirdness.com
URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer
Dream Theater Song Book -^- Fates Warning Island in the Stream
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 97 15:44:42 EST
From: chief <KOPPENKM@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2433
Message-ID: <970407.154601.EST.KOPPENKM@miamiu.muohio.edu>
whoever the fuck you are -
stop sending me your pointless shit. i don't want it. go bother someo
ne else. oh, by the way, how the fuck did you get my goddamn name?
fuck you.
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:51:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2432
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970407154928.110246A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Mon, 7 Apr 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>
Tyketto is far superior to Warrant IMO.
Don't even go there.....
Richie
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 97 15:03:09 -0500
From: jazzmin@ou.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jeff's We-Are-The-World/ACOS Dream
Message-ID: <33494cab4bc8002@cliff.ou.edu>
>see in those "making of" videos. Except this session was a group of us
>YTSEJAMMERS singing our own "all-star" version of ACoS! It was so cool.
>
> Anyway, somebody on the list organized a YtseCon sort of thing whereby
jammers from all over the place showed up at this studio one weekend for the
recording session. I guess there were about 30 of us
>
>HOW COOL IS THAT???
>
>Lying bleeding in the dark,
>
>Jeff
>grin@albany.net
Uh-oh. Not another tribute discussion.
BTW, whenever Chris P gets the mailing list up there are 11 songs and 55
talents listed for the tribute. It's still alive, under all the stuff on my
desk. I heard it breathing and moving around last night in the dark.
Don't EVEN THINK about starting a thread. I'm still recovering from the
LAST flame war.
Jazzmin
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:48:34 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'The YtseAssholes'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dear Scott
Message-ID: <01BC43A2.D06871C0@Checkov.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
mamalookabastard@juno.com (Scott Cook) said :
> I just wanted to thank everyone in advance for giving me the
> Ytse-asshole of the month Award.
And you deserve it, after all the hard work you put into it. :-)
> This is good therapy for Mark.
Thanks, I need all the therapy I can get. :-)
> I should send him a picture of myslef to him so he can post
> it on his web page so he can show everyone what the Ytsejam's
> #1 asshole looks like.
I want people to visit my homepage, not scare them away. :-)
> That should give Itchy a big ol' erection.
Why are you interested in giving me a big ol' erection ? :-)
Is there something we should know about you ? :-)
> When the only way you can get attention from a woman is to
> get a hooker, you gotta get your kicks where you can.
What does your sex life (or lack thereof) have to do with this ? :-)
Ok Scott, here's the deal. Please stop flaming me EVERY GODDAMN
FUCKING TIME I POST. If you have something against me personally,
let me know PRIVATELY. If not, get off my back. No hard feelings.
I'm just trying to find ways to make this list a friendlier place.
What do you do ?
Oh, I know this shit didn't belong on the Ytsejam. I'm just sick and
tired of all the hostility on this list. Dream Theater deserves better.
Mark
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 97 16:32 EDT
From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2433
Message-ID: <m0wEL5N-0000U5C@xcalibur.iinc.com>
Yeah, but the thing was this album was released in 1991 before all
the ebonics crap started coming around. I suppose its not too cool...how
they phrased it. They are a pretty good band though kind of a cross between
Black Sabbath/Faith No More and Red Hot Chili Peppers. Its definitely
something different to listen to. Although most ytse-jammers wouldn't like
their second release, Dropped, much darker but I don't know if you could
really call it grunge.
Don
>
>Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 10:02:28 -0400
>From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Re: What the World Has Come To (No DT Content)
>Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970407100228.00b2ea50@pophost.fore.com>
>
>>The lyrics for Innocense
>>
>>..and then in small letters...hey bonechild folx: let it be known that we
>>freaks from mind funkin no way condone suicide so all you with an
>>overabundance of pills and razor blades, keep em locked up for there ain't
>>no greater gift than life itself so liveth, do not taketh away. Peace y'all.
>
>So I guess they thought more kids would get the message if it were written
>in jive..er, ebonics. If you're trying to be influencial on today's youth,
>what would possess you to purposely write with grammatical disregard? Kids
>learn by example, and this is a shit example.
>
>KAI
>
>
mcauburn@iinc.com
soulmadness@hotmail.com (for people sending pics, sound files, etc.)
Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more
to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:38:27 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2433
Message-ID: <199704072037.NAA28122@odin.ax.com>
> whoever the fuck you are -
> stop sending me your pointless shit. i don't want it. go bother someo
> ne else. oh, by the way, how the fuck did you get my goddamn name?
>
> fuck you.
HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!
We all oughtta post like this sometime. This is rather funny.
(In a mimicking Dr. X voice) - You can't walk away now... HAHAHAHAHA!
Welcome to Heaven's Gate II :)
"And lo cameth down from the mountain the wombat and
thus gaveth he the blessing of life unto Australia.
Thus spaketh he 'dweefle' and it was good. O, how
the divine blessing of his teaching scoureth the
land and yea, harken unto he the herald of the
Divine Being 'dweefle' and harken unto thyself the
message of the wombat, and ye shall gain everlasting
peace."
---From the teachings of KorgX3
http://www.cyberhighway.net/~ibanez
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 21:21:29 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Canada: where the CAN is more important than the DUH :)
Message-ID: <33496559.6EEA@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: Rip
> Derek i must say is one of the coolest guys in the band, very friendly,
> casual, talkative,
> i wasnt expecting him to be so outgoing and cool.
Even after all the good things we've said about him on here? Oh, ye of
little faith :)
> I wont indulge into detail
Funk that! Go for it, Rip. It's DTC!!!!
> From: Al
> I want to move out of the US, but then again, I also want to
> move the hell off this entire PLANET! I have dibs on the first
> space civilization o the Moon or Mars, whichever comes first...
Stop the world, stop the world, stop the world, I wanna get off :)
> From: Mars
> [entirely too much blathering deleted]
But this precious, uh, gem:
> Belgium is a fucking country for christ's sake. How anyone could not know where
> it is is beyond me.
There are many things that are well beyond you...like tolerance of
others shortcomings!
I could go on, but I must go lay down so that my sides stop hurting from
laughing so hard.
> From: Mark
> ....Philips, CD, CD-i, Heineken, Grolsh, liquorice...
^^^^^^
Get real, dude, everyone knows Schlitz rules! Only second to Schaeffer!!
Why the heck should I pay $6 for a fancy six-rack of bottles that are
gonna get tossed in a few, uh, seconds? :)
> From: Eric
> Also, did anyone notice that on some of the new songs, there are harmony
> backing vocals.
YES! And they work quite nicely on "Where Are You Now?"
With all the talk about stylistic preferences and what constitutes
selling out, I must say I like the sound on this one. The simpler guitar
sounds remind me a little of SoundGarden. I personally like having the
best of both worlds: something that's accessible during parts of the
song and complex during other parts. I don't find anything wrong with DT
putting out some great ROCK tunes that will get airplay; and I'm sure
they have no problem with airplay either :) It's one way to feed the
machine and maybe it'll get people noticing the depth of the talent. I
don't call that selling out. Anyone have any thoughts on the above?
Hey, BTW, nice job of you and D-man bringing the discussion back around
to DT :)
> From: Jim
> People are confusing higher education (college/university)
Higher education got you down? SLAP INTO A SLIM JIM!!! :)
> From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
> My point is, I suspect that if DT released that reggae album, you
> would say you love it, and I think that's sad.
I'd bet,though, that if they put out even just a reggae SONG, that it'd
be some of the best reggae you've ever heard :) It's the ability to take
a genre outside of their main one and incorporate it into their sound
that gets them the respect from this fan. Look at the rap (you know, the
genre that some on here NEED to hate) influence in the first verse of
TTT? The Tubes said it: "It's how you do me"
> From: brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
> The US is the Microsoft of the world.
hey!, Hey!!, HEY!!!! I refuse to be associated with MS in any way :)
Just curious, anyone know the origin of the Drive-In Theatre and/or the
Diner?
Thought so...
*------------*------------------------*--------------*
| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
*------------*------------------------*--------------*
Clahk the aadvahk drank cutty sahk aftah dahk with Mahky Mahk!
-- Some illiterate from South Boston, MA, in the United States of
Fucking A :)
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:37:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Symbolic66@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Meshuggah and John Hendricks
Message-ID: <970407173527_2081553025@emout12.mail.aol.com>
***sorry for lack of dt content but since the bands record label fails to
give us a new cd to talk about i have no choice...i didnt get to any jp/ds
clinic...:( i did get to see mike once though...***
<< I would really, really like to find the
Contradictions Collapse album, and would appreciate any help thereto. >>
the only place ive seen contradictions is in london...but im sure any decent
cd store could order it...i dunno what meshuggahs doin now...but i heard they
have a track on death ...is just the beginning 4...i think...i have 3 and
vanished is on that one...
apparently theyre just touring i guess...i dunno
brian (symbolic - and meshuggah if symbolic is taken!!!)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/5578/home.htm
HAIL MESHUGGAHEADS! hehe...
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:43:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Symbolic66@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Meshuggah and John Hendricks
Message-ID: <970407174205_1152990091@emout05.mail.aol.com>
<< It's a more experimental sound with large parts sounding like Meshuggah,
but with an even better drummer! >>
is that possible?!?
brian (symbolic)
http://www.geocites.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/5578/home.htm
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 15:53:47 -0700
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RealAudio, SYmphony X
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970407155338.0069cc54@cats.ucsc.edu>
In case you missed the message right after I complained about RealAudio, I
screwed up. I had 3.0 installed, but when I had to re-do my install of
WIn95 over Christmas (nearly new computer) -- I only instaled 2.0. My bad,
I'm a goof.
And I got Divine WIngs before I got Damnation Game, and I do a progression
in their style. It's subtle, and mostly in terms of song construction
rather than playing, but it is there. Also, the albums are only a year
apart. With most bands that take two or three years between albums, we can
expect quite a bit of progression and change, but with only one year, I
expect less so. Remember when bands put out a new album every year? They
didn't change a whole lot back then, either.
__ /\ __
__\/__\/__ ~Chris
\_||_/
/__||__\ http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/
// \ | \\ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/9597 (coming soon)
\|
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:00:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: ProgRocker@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Power Of Omens
Message-ID: <970407185947_-33546414@emout20.mail.aol.com>
Just a little note for anyone who's interested:
Power Of Omens has just signed with DCA Recordings, (Pysco Drama & Lethal are
two bands currently on that label), and is currently in the studio doing
pre-production work for the up-coming CD.
Unfortunately, we have lost our keyboardist, and are currently searching
far and wide to replace him, and if you are interested or know of anyone who
is willing to relocate to Texas and take a chance, we want to hear from you.
Interested parties with or without any questions can send an e-mail to
"ProgRocker@aol.com". Serious Inquiries only. Please!!!!
Thanks!!!!
David Gallegos
(Guitarist for Power Of Omens)
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 16:33:46 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2433
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970407163303.10156A-100000@general2.asu.edu>
On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, chief wrote:
> whoever the fuck you are -
> stop sending me your pointless shit. i don't want it. go bother someo
> ne else. oh, by the way, how the fuck did you get my goddamn name?
>
> fuck you.
>
Well now, that isn't how you unsubscribe, is it?
Or is he just going for the ytse ass hole of the month?
~Eckie
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:02:46 -0700
From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Marilyn Manson...
Message-ID: <v02130503af6f48fe11fe@[128.32.100.59]>
Just wanted to clear up some of the confusion about all this MM origins
stuff. As far as I know, MM is not the guy from Wonder Years, but is in
actuallity the guy who played the older brother in Mr. Belvedeare. His
name is Brian something I think, and I was reading an interview with Trent
Reznor a little while back (Rolling Stone I think) and he was talking about
production with MM and called him Brian instead of MM. Just thought you
might like to know...
-Shane
______________________________________________________________________________
I Shane Liebling I You can call me Kennedy, you may have I
I jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu I killed him, but you cannot kill me. I
I http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi I - Spock's Beard "The Light" I
I____________________________________I_______________________________________I
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 22:40:13 -0400
From: Brian Henderson <Cyberburlap@icdc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Gypped again!
Message-ID: <199704080240.WAA07398@darkstar.icdc.com>
>Derek did nothing but play throughout his teen years, so his parents
>bought him one, instead of say, a car.
Hey, my parents haven't bought me a synth *or* a car! Talk about rip-off!
The ingrates! I give them life, and what do they give me in return...? No,
wait...
Forget I said anything.
Brian Henderson, Cyberburlap Quest IV
Cyberburlap@icdc.com
"You've seen him on the wireless, you've listened to him on the telly..." --
I. Anderson
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:00:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Insydeout@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: marilyn Manson
Message-ID: <970407235507_144133818@emout17.mail.aol.com>
In regards to the is paul from the wonder years Marilyn Manson.. Yes it is
paul from the wonder years. He is marilyn Manson. He got bored with his life
after the show and went to school. He dicided he needed excitement in his
life and came up with this character. He's doing better now than he ever did.
I saw this on a television show. I find Marilyn manson a very annoying band.
not something I would listen too. I am a big Prog. fan. DT are my most
favorite band.
Yours in music
Debbie
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 21:24:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thezbians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Time Signatures, Clinics
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970407212220.66974J-100000@dante21.u.washington.edu>
> From: Mark Hatch-Miller <ace@onfire.net>
> Subject: RE: Time Sigs.
>
> nope.. you can have 4/1, 4/2, 4/4, 4/8 4/16, 4/32, 4/64, etc. You can
> have 54 notes in a measure (just like you could have triplets,
> septuplets, etc), but there is no such thing as a 54th note.
When I play "hextuplets" in 4/4 time, when each count of "four" beats has
ended, I have played a total of twelve notes. I refer to these as "twelfth
notes" because there are twelve of them in a measure. I don't know who
created the first methods of counting time or who decided that Western
music would be divided primarily by the number 2 (with a little help from
brother 3), but if the phenomenon of having eight notes per measure is
called "eighth notes" and the phenomenon of having sixteen notes per
measure is called "sixteenth notes," then twelve notes per measure simply
equals "twelfth notes."
If you have 54 notes in a measure, they are logically called "fifty-fourth
notes." If you imagine that this sort of thing can't be done (or counted
or played), then you must seek out the Jedi Shredder, Paul Gilbert. He
will show you how to uncount what you have counted, for only then will you
have counted something.
---- > From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> > Subject: More clinic stuff... > > Another couple of notes from the DS/JP clinic.Yeah, are they coming to Seattle?
> Derek said that Mike told them that Kevin Moore has moved to Costa Rica > (I think) and is currently digging up dinosaur bones.
And what makes him so sure he's going to find old Fat Boys albums way the hell out there?
> Derek turns back and says "Why don't they just ask me to sign their > Elvis albums, I didn't play on those either..." Which is why I brought > ACoS for them to sign. :)
Good ol' Derek. Is he doing any clinics in the Northwest?
> By the way, does anyone here know what line of work Derek was in in his > early teens?
He mentioned it on that Sartama video, I think when he was addressing the crowd...what was it he said?
> And JP even said "If you have a tape recorder, go ahead and record so > you can try this stuff at home" which was met with several grunts from > the audience, who obviously shared the same feelings as I.
And JP even thought, "If you think a tape recording of my playing will bring you somehow closer to my devastating level of expertise, go ahead and record so you can try this stuff at home...and CRY!! TIME FOR MY 16TH- NOTES-AT-280-BEATS-PER-MINUTE EXERCISE!! TAPE AWAY, YOU FROTHY INSECTS!! MUHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!"
> Some other things that were met with shock/humor by the crowd were some > of John's comments while playing... He played some sort of 5/4 > chromatic scale thing, which seemed obtainable at first... then he > played the same thing at an obscenely fast pace for a bit, which was met > with much jaw dropping and salivating by the guitarist in the crowd (the > difference between this and their previous disposition seemed to be that > their jaws weren't dropped before).
If you haven't tried playing with a Dunlop Jazz III, give it a shot. It has a built-in precision that will work wonders for your chromatic playing, among other things. You'll be playing like Petrucci in 30 days, or your sanity back!
And if you're going to go see "The Saint," for hell's sake cover your ears when the Russian Mob chases him down into the parking garage. The tire screeching is just excruciating...
Bafu
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