YTSEJAM Digest 2447
Today's Topics:
1) new CDs from Magna Carta
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
2) Tonights show.
by "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com>
3) Stubby Picks
by Brian Henderson <Cyberburlap@icdc.com>
4) new kevmo?
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
5) Soundgarden?
by m_washke@acad.lvc.edu (Michael Washkevich)
6) Soundgarden
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
7) New Testament Album
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
8) Fates
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
9) DT CONTENT DAMMIT WOOT!
by jazzmin@ou.edu
10) TOTALLY PITHED
by jazzmin@ou.edu
11) Soundgarden and other stuff...
by Riffinator@aol.com
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2446
by Visker <jlvskr@dordt.edu>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2446
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
14) Critical Mass Video
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
15) Ryche bashing
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
16) Keb' Mo'
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
17) billy sheehan- NDTC
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
18) Re: A pleasant shade of gray
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
19) Re: Fates
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:30:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Dream theater Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: new CDs from Magna Carta
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970410232850.2936E-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Just received my promo copies of Enchant's and Magellan's new albums.
Haven't given them a detailed listen, but I've played tracks on the air
already. My advice? Run, don't walk to a store that sells good prog shit
and buy this stuff in triplicate. I say in tripplicate because you might
want to keep one of these CDs at home, one in the car, and one somewhere
else just in case. Magellan has a drummer, and he's rather good. I could
say more, but it would be uninformed. But, buy these, buy them now.
They're fucking awesome. More details when I actually listen to more than
one track.
Damon Fibraio
Reach me at damon@shell.monmouth.com
keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality
professional dumb-ass
"you can feel the waves coming on
Let them destroy you or carry you on.
You're fighting the weight of the world and no one can save you this time
Close your eyes, you'll find all you need in your mind."--Dream Theater,
Take the Time
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:43:30 -0400
From: "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tonights show.
Message-ID: <334DB362.639@net1plus.com>
Alright. I'm dying to know the rundown of tonights DT show (setlist,
etc.). All you lucky German's had better get typing as soon as you get
home!
-Jon Dery
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:56:45 -0400
From: Brian Henderson <Cyberburlap@icdc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Stubby Picks
Message-ID: <199704101556.LAA03681@darkstar.icdc.com>
>Ever try stubby picks? They're these *really* thick clear plastic things
>which are about the same shape and size as the jazz picks. They also
>kick ass.
Not from my standpoint. Our guitarist can *only* play with stubby picks!
The worst part is, he only ever has one on hand, and always seems to lose it
somewhere. It's a good thing he's only a ska guitarist!
Speakin' of which, the Battle of the Bands is tomorrow (4/11) night,
7:30-ish at Henderson High School, West Chester region, PA if anyone in the
area's looking for some entertainment/good music/laughs (last year's winning
band incorporated non-band-members wearing dresses jumping about on stage
like whirling dervishes on wagonwheels -- what a stageshow! <ooooozing with
sarcasm>)... Seventh Grade Commando Chorus will be there, firing out a
mini-3-song-setlist of some of the most neo-classical jazzrock-ska you'll
ever lay ears on! Come one, come all, please send food... Love, Kenny.
P.S. Tell Ralphie not to touch my comic books.
Brian Henderson, Professor of Cytocyberburlapology
Cyberburlap@icdc.com
"Apprends a construire des modeles super comme moi!" -- French LEGO Robot
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:10:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: new kevmo?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970411000517.27506A-100000@frogger.rs.itd.umich.edu>
> I haven't heard a new KevMo for a long time.
i have, but unfortunately, it' not what y'all were hoping for......there's
a guy out there who goes by the title "kevmo" who's released
stuff.....heard a song by the guy, for which they mentioned that a kevmo
song was coming up after the commercial.....and i was sitting in my car
thinking, "could it be?" and thinking, no way in hell, not on this
station, and come to think of it, not on any station in detroit
area.....and of course it wasn't "our" kevmo, but some other guy, but the
song wasn't all that bad, actually, once i got over my disappointment
(short-lived)......can you tell i've had too much caffeine?
partha
all for one and none for all doing battle in the urban sprawl
--Tiles
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:14:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: m_washke@acad.lvc.edu (Michael Washkevich)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Soundgarden?
Message-ID: <199704110414.VAA19554@odin.ax.com>
Wow, this Soundgarden break up thing is news to me. Anyone know of the details??
Private e-mail please.
Mike Washkevich
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 23:25:25 -0500
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Soundgarden
Message-ID: <334dbd346f93204@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
On the subject of Soundgarden:
I don't consider them progressive, but up through Superunknown I did consider
them a hell of a rock band. I'm glad they broke up, because I believe they were
running out of steam on Down On the Upside. I bought that album, and "Burden in
My Hand" turned out to be the only song I liked. This was a great
disappointment, as I thought that Louder than Love, Badmotorfinger, and
Superunkown, were very good (if not great) albums. That unholy word "sellout"
never occurred to me - it just seemed that they had lost the creative edge that
had defined even their more radio-friendly songs.
For example, "Black Hole Sun" (which is my second least favorite song on that
album) is definitely an oddball song in a musical way - nowhere near the
standard grunge/alternapop. They did songs from the likes of "Mailman" and "Limo
Wreck" - atmospheric, edgy rockers - to the softer things such as "Like
Suicide," which I think is one of their best songs.
Anyway, I'm babbling, so that's it. I'm interested in people's thoughts. I
haven't seen anything more in depth than "RIP" or "good riddance." Here's hoping
that Cornell and Thayil can refresh their horizons (the other two guys can't
write music worth shit).
-Brian
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:24:16 -0700
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New Testament Album
Message-ID: <199704110424.VAA103288@kitts.u.arizona.edu>
Hey guys,
I'm on some Testament listserv, and this is an excerpt from the
latest message.
> I checked Testament's record label web page and the new album will be
>entitled "Demonic" and is scheduled for release on June 24. You can confirm
>this by looking at
> http://home.earthlink.net/~flg/new.html
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
If you like that there rock 'n roll,
check out: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:36:09 -0500
From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fates
Message-ID: <v01530500af737b3c14dc@[207.79.6.151]>
>Huh? And you skipped Parallels? I thought that was Ray's best one
>personally, but then I liked the vox on Inside Out alot, too. Oh,
>well, they're not for everyone. My friend finds his overuse of high
>vocals on alot of stuff to be annoying, and I can understand that.
>It's not for everyone. :)
If you remember my first post about Fates, when I first heard them, I also
thought Ray was singing aimlessly. Later I found a Fates tape I really
really like. God knows which one it is. (Here's an excerpt: help me out...
"Waking hours..something, something,....all we do and all we dream...") I
have bad hearing so excuse the mistakes. But anyway, Ray boy sings really
good on this one.
...........................................................................
.......................
"A girl called and said "come on over, nobody's home".
I went over; nobody was home.
-Rodney Dangerfield
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 23:45:16 -0500
From: jazzmin@ou.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT CONTENT DAMMIT WOOT!
Message-ID: <334dc1db406c002@cliff.ou.edu>
Okay, I've got a few things & thought I'd combine them.
1. In flipping JANUARY I sent off a check to the fan club. Yeh, I know
that they aren't really up on things, but they haven't even cashed the
fucker yet. What gives, anyone?
2. Whoever wanted to swop me Majesty Demos for (You-Know-What), please let
me know if you're still interested in this so I can send you my snail mail
address 'n' all that.
3. Someone wanted to know a group that has lots of albums that has some
good stuff... I like the Alan Parsons Project (though not their latest,
sounds very lame but the CD-rom was cool).
4. Ytsequiz! name the author and, for bonus points, the source. Forgive
misquotes.
The year is now 182x. As always, I am absorbed with a delicate
thought... without a pleasureable idea, music is simply music. Without
music, or the pleasureable idea, color becomes pallor. Body becomes
carcass. Home becomes catacomb. And the dead are, but for a moment,
motionless.
(proper quote upon request. I'm not near my literature book for the direct
quote, but this is close enough for recognition.)
5. Still got bunches of vinyl for sale, name yr price on almost all of
them. Most used, most in excellent condition; lots of prog and bootlegs
among other boring crap I'm just trying to get rid of. Email for details.
Someone is hacking over there in the corner, I'm gonna go check 'em out n
see if they want coffee.
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 23:53:33 -0500
From: jazzmin@ou.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: TOTALLY PITHED
Message-ID: <334dc3bb44e2002@cliff.ou.edu>
Oops, forgot to post my DT content! Doh!
Okay, so I call up my "local" college station and request some DT. So I
say, hey if I bring it will you play it? They say SURE! NOTE:
aforementioned station is TWO HOURS AWAY.
So there I am travelling from Norman OK to Stillwater, to bring them an
extra copy of I&W (couldn't find used copy of Awake). On the way back, I
dial them up on my c-phone since it's free and request a song. The asshole
DJ who'd said he'd absolutely dig having a DT disk in the station said,
well, I listened to it and just don't really like it (this contradicted a
previous remark about how much he grooved it last time he heard it,
prompting me to offer the disk), but he'd play a song for me anyhow. Which
one? I requested UAGM, thinking that'd come over the airwaves nicely.
About an hour later he got to it. I was nearly home. He said on the air,
"a listener BEGGED us to play this and even brought us the CD from Norman,
call in and let us know what you think." And, for the first time, I heard
something besides "Pull Me Under" on the air. He cut it off short, didn't
even play the whole song, and said someone had called in and said they hated
it. One call. So, he said, why don't you just come on back here and pick
up your disk.
ASSHOLE!@(&*^(^%%$#@
So the point here is that they have an 800...
1800297KSPI.
Get the idea? The other two Oklahoma jammers don't get the station.
jazz
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:56:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Riffinator@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Soundgarden and other stuff...
Message-ID: <970411005631_-1602963038@emout18.mail.aol.com>
For all who considered Soundgarden just another no-talent alternative waste,
take the time to listen to some of their "non-top 40" songs. You'll then
reallize that they did actually have some prog-type skills. For instance the
songs "Rhinosaur" and "Never the Machine Forever", neither of which are in
4/4 time. In fact about 70% of the songs they wrote were in odd times and
had good structure, unlike most alternative bands (ie. Green Day and most of
the bands on 120 Minutes) who thoughtlessly throw bar chords together. It's
f~cked up, the bands w/ no talent always sell the most records.
Anyway I'm not sayin' that Kim Thayill can compete with John Petrucci by a
long shot, but that doesn't matter because Thayill was geared towards a
different style and sound anyway. Speekin' of the mac, does anyone have the
JP Instructional Video? I heard it rocked. Just listening to the shit he
does is one thing, but I can't imagine actually WATCHING it! Too bad they
didn't have a JP clinic in the southeast.
"The third arrives..." I&W
..but when will the album :-}
Drew
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:26:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: Visker <jlvskr@dordt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2446
Message-ID: <9704110026.aa27159@cc.dordt.edu>
Hey guys,
I'm new in posting to the list (let's just say I had an interesting
first experience...Remember "Gather Hebrews...")
Anyway as a Christian myself, I was wondering if it was Mike C. who
is pissing you guys off or if it is Christianity? It really bugs me
when other Christians such as Mike give us a bad name by sounding ridiculous
and making us look like a joke by shoving our religion down your throats.
Christianity is very important to me, but I realize that the ytsejam
is not the place to try to start a mission.
It's really a shame, Mike...think about what you are doing buddy??
Oh...and by the way...I don't think the FAQ covers "The Silent Man"
Could somebody fill me in on what this song is about??
Thanks guys and keep up the good work!
-Visker
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:39:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2446
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970411013126.5880A-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Visker wrote:
> Anyway as a Christian myself, I was wondering if it was Mike C. who
> is pissing you guys off or if it is Christianity? It really bugs me
Christianity doesn't piss me off. Hell, I was a Christian for a good 19
years or so. It merely confuses me.
> when other Christians such as Mike give us a bad name by sounding ridiculous
> and making us look like a joke by shoving our religion down your throats.
That's not really it, either. I mean, that bugs me, but Mike hasn't done
that on this list in quite some time (not since he got kicked off for
doing it).
What bugs me is that Mike purports to be a strong Christian, but acts in
the most non-Christian manner I've seen for so devoted a follower. No,
that's not even it. I could care less. It's just that he does it *here*.
> Christianity is very important to me, but I realize that the ytsejam
> is not the place to try to start a mission.
Oh, good. A real Christian.
> Oh...and by the way...I don't think the FAQ covers "The Silent Man"
> Could somebody fill me in on what this song is about??
I'll put an answer there when I get a good one. I'm still hoping that
someone saved that post that Mike Bahr sent in comparing the song to 1001
Arabian Nights. That was killer stuff, and I'd love to include it.
Any of you packrats hang on to this?
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:39:44 EDT
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Critical Mass Video
Message-ID: <19970410.233950.12238.12.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
I just got a really cool video the other day and it has become my
favorite concert video. It's the show that Bahr got his Critical Mass
CD from. If you've heard the CD you already know how awesome
this sounds, now add a second generation quality pro-shot video
to it and you have two incredible hours of Rush live. Now if I could
just get a Pro shot stereo of *this* tour! }:->
Scott
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:09:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ryche bashing
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970411015636.4783A-100000@comp>
Hmm...
Is it just me or are the opinions on the new QR album just
completely polarized into two camps? Some of us love the album, others
can't stand it (or possibly have been led to believe that it is grunge and
hate it for that without even listening to anything besides Sign of the
Times). Guys, it is still Queensryche... they still have their own
distinct sound that a lot of us have embraced since the early days. They
do keep changing (progressing, regressing, whatever) but they still are
writing tunes with thought-provoking lyrics, good musicianship, and the
vocals of one of the better singers in rock.
To anyone that is bashing Ryche: people complained when Promised
Land came out... said it was too wussy and laid-back.. the guys didn't
just let it all loose and rock enough. Well, they delivered the product
that satisfies all those complainers. HitnF has some hard-hitting,
rocking tunes on it... and now they get slagged for going 'alternative'
or 'grunge'.
Anyway, if any Ryche fans have complaints, just go catch the next
tour. The Queensryche tour for PL was by far the best concert I have been
to (including DT/FW), and I wasn't even that fond of PL at the time.
If you want to have your dissenting opinions about Ryche, that's
fine... you are entitled to do so. But to slag another individual/group
for their artistic contribution is just not cool. Sheesh... I wonder how
many of you aspiring musicians out there have written music that could be
considered 'on par' with HitnF, much less any of the older Ryche efforts.
DrX
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:11:16 -0700
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Keb' Mo'
Message-ID: <199704110711.AAA00091@ms.kallback.com>
>> I haven't heard a new KevMo for a long time.
>i have, but unfortunately, it' not what y'all were hoping for......there's
>a guy out there who goes by the title "kevmo" who's released stuff....
----------
It could have been Keb' Mo', a very talented acoustic blues artist.
His first cd won a grammy, and his second one is really good, too
though not as raw. I own and really like both.
Trevor
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:20:48 -0700
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: billy sheehan- NDTC
Message-ID: <199704110720.AAA00161@ms.kallback.com>
I just got a cool cd called Niacin (which reminds me of the time I took to
much of the vitamin Niacin and my body turned red and I got all hot and
itchy (speaking of Itchy, come back, man!) but that's another story).
Anyhoo, it's Billy Sheehan on bass, John Novello on Hammond B3, and Dennis
Chambers on drums. I don't know who the second two guys are but they rock.
The cd is a good mix of jazz, blues, prog, rock and just outright jamming
by three talented guys. I found it at Tower on a listening station and it
was on sale.
If you like bass and Hammond, I suggest it.
Trevor
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:12:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: A pleasant shade of gray
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.970411035927.14114B-100000@unix17.andrew.cmu.edu>
On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, CLARK ABEL wrote:
> Let's see how many posts on one subject I can get into one jam.
> >Can't wait for the new FW. I haven't heard a new KevMo for a long
>
> As I said in my last post, I can't really get into this band. However,
> after listening to some more of APSOG, I can say that I definitely think the
> increased keyboard presence adds alot to their sound. And as for the vocals,
> he definitely doesn't use his high range as much, which I like alot better.
> But I still kind of think he just wander's around, I'd rather he pick one
> melody and go with it for a while. Just IMO, though.
> -Clark
>
>
I had a girlfriend once who didn't like Fates, for much the same reason as
yours. But I was sort of living with her, and I wasn't about to stop
listening to my favourite band. So she was subjected to a barrage of it
for about, oh, a year and a half. You'd think someone would get annoyed at
having to hear music they don't like so much for such a long time. But
after a year and a half, she suddenly "got it." There were other things
she didn't get, but that's not important. The point is, Fates is weird
that way, and I think it's sort of why they haven't been very popular. You
just can't take that kind of time with music you don't like at first.
there's too much other music that you do like to listen to.
But it's so rewarding when you do "get it." I never disliked it, but it
took a hell of a long time before it really clicked with me, at which
point I was suddenly in ecstasy that hasn't gone away.
Musically, there's just about nothing as rewarding for me as listening to
"At Fates Hands," "Nothing Left to Say," "Guardian," or "The Ivory gate of
Dreams" really, really loud. With my eyes closed. It was well worth the
wait. So basically, my point is, don't sell those Fates CDs yet.
And as I've said before, it seems to me that the new one is more
accessible. I haven't had to wait two years for it to grow on me.
That might be partially because I'm used to Fates, or maybe once
you "get it" it becomes much easier to get into the new stuff. But
for the reasons you cited (about Ray's singing) and others (Kevin's
keys may have a lot to do with it) I think APSOG is probably much
more accessible than the other stuff. At least for DT fans.
-maximilian
Anton Max
MadMax+@cmu.edu
http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:14:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Fates
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.970411041319.14114C-100000@unix17.andrew.cmu.edu>
On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Jeff Keifling wrote:
> If you remember my first post about Fates, when I first heard them, I also
> thought Ray was singing aimlessly. Later I found a Fates tape I really
> really like. God knows which one it is. (Here's an excerpt: help me out...
> "Waking hours..something, something,....all we do and all we dream...") I
> have bad hearing so excuse the mistakes. But anyway, Ray boy sings really
> good on this one.
>
That's No Exit. The song is the Ivory Gate of Dreams. And thank you for
calling me God :)
-maximilian
Anton Max
MadMax+@cmu.edu
http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
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