YTSEJAM Digest 2453
Today's Topics:
1) Brazilian Show
by "Bruno Stort" <blubarbi@sti.com.br>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2452
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2.452 * 10^3
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
4) About the JP songs...
by jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
5) Re: About the JP songs...
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
6) Soundgarden break-up
by me128 student <me128-ba@calcium.ME.Berkeley.EDU>
7) ack mode?
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
8) Derek's autog./'ryche
by satu.reunanen@sci.fi (Satu Reunanen)
9) Queensryche
by jsj@ix.netcom.com (J. E. James)
10) Rudess Morgenstein
by Michael Pomerleau <michael_pomerleau@snet.net>
11) Necronomicon and MOR
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
12) Dream Theater in Milan
by E.Chiozzi@agora.stm.it
13) No Doubt
by Jason L Luscher <luscher@student.umass.edu>
14) Re: No Doubt
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2451
by Michael Lafser <mlafser@mail.win.org>
16) Re: ack mode?
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
17) Re: No Doubt
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
18) Re: No Doubt
by 2112 <belhai@drew.edu>
19) Re: DT show last night in munich!!
by breitweg@fusebox.hanse.de (Jason T. Breitweg)
20) Re: some stuff, incl. DTC (yeah)
by breitweg@fusebox.hanse.de (Jason T. Breitweg)
21) no doubt
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 01:24:59 -0300
From: "Bruno Stort" <blubarbi@sti.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Brazilian Show
Message-ID: <199704130426.BAA21736@davinci>
As everybody said, I know that Monsters Of Rock is not the kind of show
that DT likes to play and is not the kind of show that I like to see. The
sound probably will be terrible. And the size of the show is far away of a
REAL DT gig. But what can we do? It's a fucking dream that will come true
for me... And even if they play on hell, I'll go there. I'd rather too a
gig on Olympia or Palace (some closed places here in Sao Paulo), but what
can we do? Maybe DT come and see the number of brazilian fans and come back
again, to a real gig. Then I'll be REAL happy. and I thought that put DT
with Manowar as headliner is a kind of disrespect, cuz when I've read this
news, on the headlines was written: "Monsters Of Rock, with Manowar, Judas
Priest, Dio, Whitesnake and others...". Oh, fuck'em! Dream Theater is much
more important that anyone of this bands... Well, I expect that DT really
come to Brasil, cuz I'm very anxious...
Take the time...
Bruno Stort
blubarbi@sti.com.br
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 00:43:22 -0500
From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2452
Message-ID: <v01530501af7622a84b58@[207.79.6.165]>
Hey! I'll take Carved in Stone.
-Jeff
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 00:27:47 -0500
From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2.452 * 10^3
Message-ID: <33506ED3.2932@auburn.net>
> So where's our setlist? Gee, we ask you to do one damn thing and you
> can't even do it.
I guess the words "setlist was the same as the Fix shows" don't mean
anything
to you, do they? To paraphrase a famous philosopher, "You're resembling
a
dick."
> DT in Monsters of Rock? YESSSSS! :) I'm waiting so fucking much for this to
> happen, (DT in Brazil) but in our Monsters of Rock usually all the bands
> except the headliner or co-headliner get only 40 minutes of show... :(
> I really wish that if DT really comes here (crossin' fingers for a schedule
> agreement) they would do their own show too (which would sell-out quickly),
> or else... anyone ever thought of how a 40-minute DT show would be?
> Interesting...
Heheh, I think it will be interesting to see who plays the fewest songs
in
40 minutes. Between DT and Type O, that's a toss-up :)
Mark Peters
swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 23:01:02 -0700
From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: About the JP songs...
Message-ID: <v02130500af7626c3f66b@[128.32.100.59]>
Hey could whoever has the wav versions of the JP songs from the Mesa Boogie
site post the URL for the site where the wav versions are? Thanks alot. I
listened to the crappy RA versions and now I really want the good versions.
-Shane
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I Shane Liebling I I was told there's a miracle for each I
I jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu I day that I try. I was told there's a I
I http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi I new love that's born for each one I
I CAA Tweeker & Ytsejammer I that has died... Love is the Dance of I
I Member of A.M.M.O. since 1997 I Eternity."Metropolis" - Dream Theater I
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 02:29:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: About the JP songs...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970413022225.10224A-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
> Hey could whoever has the wav versions of the JP songs from the Mesa Boogie
> site post the URL for the site where the wav versions are? Thanks alot. I
> listened to the crappy RA versions and now I really want the good versions.
You're only going to get good versions if you go to the Mesa Boogie site.
They have .ra files that they themselves made.
When you create an .ra file, the quality of the original recording is
degraded somewhat (how much depends on what type of .ra is created).
What the kind folks that "saved" the .ra files did (at least, I assume
most of them did this) is: play the .ra file into a .wav recorder, and
then make an .ra of that .wav. Which means two things:
1) The sound quality has been degraded twice.
2) You can now save it on your own computer.
Unless someone is offering the .wav files they made (as opposed to the .ra
files they made), that's what you're left with. And .wav files are
typically 5 to 15 times larger than .ra's created from them. (Hence, the
positive side of RealAudio.)
I suggest that if you just want to hear this stuff, go to the Mesa Boogie
site, and listen as it streams off. Then, if you want your own copies of
these files, take one of our fellow jammers up on his or her offer.
Just some friendly advice,
-d
P.S. I don't know what I'm looking forward to more - buying APSOG or
seeing the IGOD .sig again. :)
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 06:25:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: me128 student <me128-ba@calcium.ME.Berkeley.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Soundgarden break-up
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970413060344.14446A-100000@calcium.ME.Berkeley.EDU>
I don't know too much about this band (never bought any of their albums)
but what I heard on the radio suggested that their drummer had a lot to
contribute. Sometimes, I also got the impression that he was ready to
"bust out," but he didn't. Anyway, I'm definitely curious as to what kind
of music this guy (Matt Cameron, FYI) will get into next. He's already
shown that he's a pretty slick odd-time drummer who can rip a great fill
every now and then. I just wonder if there are other aspects to his
drumming that he didn't bother going into with Soundgarden.
Then again, who am I kidding? I wasn't exactly born to be a talent
scout. I remember my opinion of Drew Bledsoe (current New Engl. starting
QB, has a good shot at being a Hall of Famer) when he was a college senior:
"Man, this guy SUCKS! He'll be lucky to even land a spot in the NFL draft."
Younis Hilal
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 09:52:36 -0400
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ack mode?
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970413095234.0068fe7c@ici.net>
Okay, I tried to switch to ack mode, but it apparently didn't work. Can
somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong? I sent a message to
ytsejam-request@ax.com, subject asdf, text SET YTSEJAM ACK. The listserv
didn't bounce it back to me, but I'm still getting digests. Is that the
right command?
________Pat Sullivan__________________________________
E-mail: psull@ici.net
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
IRC: DDictator
NP: Deliverance - "If You Will"
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:43:15 +0300 (EET DST)
From: satu.reunanen@sci.fi (Satu Reunanen)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Derek's autog./'ryche
Message-ID: <199704131443.RAA08550@id4.sci.fi>
This is old stuff..I wrote this a week ago..
Now do I feel stupid or what..two years ago I asked Derek's
autograph on the Awake cd and actually got it !
But what I thought back then was that now that he's a member
of the band, why not get his autograph on the cd ?
I do have his autograph from the time when he played in
Alice Cooper's band, but I had to get it on DT's cd too.
And I'm proud to have Mike's autograph there too. Others
were too busy to sign..rushing in for soundcheck.
I got a copy of the new Q.ryche last weekend and I've
only listened it through once, but I'd say it ain't bad.
I think it sounds like 'ryche. Maybe they added some strange
things, but I don't think it's bad. If I get stuck with
the tape later on, I'll let you know..
AND I can't help but just PRAISE the dj at the club I went
to see finnish progbands last weekend. He played DT twice !
I know it was a prognight, but it just amazed me 'cos I
thought he'd play these old progbands. I mean like these
who've been around for like 20 years or so. Well, got my
feet going all jelly and head banging..somewhere you can
still hear GREAT music !!!!! C-ya ! Satu
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 10:06:59 -0500 (CDT)
From: jsj@ix.netcom.com (J. E. James)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Queensryche
Message-ID: <199704131506.KAA24557@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com>
Hi. I was just checking out the Qryche tour dates on the SiD home page, and the
day they come to my city, is on my birthday!!!!!!!!!!
Also, does anybody else think that the song You on HitNF might be connected to
London from RfO? London is obviously about a vampire remembering an old love.
Some lines from You remind me of this:
"Do I feed you?" vampires feed off of people
"We've seen the sun setting in their eyes" could mean theyve watched their
victims eyes as they died
and here is the one that convinced me:
"Not another lifetime without you" In London it is expressed that the character
has had to live several lifetimes without whoever he is singing about.
Please share your thoughts,
Justin the High Cleric of Lickalick
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 14:50:23 -0400
From: Michael Pomerleau <michael_pomerleau@snet.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rudess Morgenstein
Message-ID: <33512AEF.6468@snet.net>
I just got this information from Rod Morgenstein. They will be playing
in NY/NJ along with Steve Morse. If you are local, you really should
check them out. They are excellent, plus, you will get to see Steve
Morse Play as well.
>>>>>Hey Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>>The Rudess Morgenstein Project will play three shows around the NY
>>>>>area opening for the Steve Morse Trio this month. Here's the info;
>>>>>
>>>>>April 24th -Tramps-NYC
>>>>>April 25th -Club Bene -NJ
>>>>>April 26th -Imac Theater- Huntington, Long Island, NY
>>>>>
>>>>>Hope some of you can make it. See you there!
>>>>>
>>>>>Musically,
>>>>>Jordan and Rod
Regards,
Michael Pomerleau
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 14:08:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Necronomicon and MOR
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970413135827.18655A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
To the guy asking what Necronomicon is (apart from the book of black
magic), it is a pinball game developed by Sega for the Sega Saturn. It
has apparently been released overseas already, but not in the US. I'm not
sure when/if it will be released here, but I'm sure some of us could get
ahold of it. I'm not clear on whether the title is NecronomicON or
NecronomicA; I have heard both, and when John mentioned it, I couldn't
tell for sure which he said. Also, when he played the songs, said "*the*
two songs I did for..." not "two songs I did for...", so people's ealier
claims that he was doing the entire soundtrack might be wrong.=20
On a related note, if you're looking for a good metal soundtrack, try
Destruction Derby 2 for Sony Playstation. It's a great game, and it's got
a soundtrack with balls and chunk. I'm not sure if the PC version has the
same one or not.
About MOR in Brazil from the last jam... anyone hear an echo echo cho cho
o o o o o....
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
| Pat Griffin Reality=B2 Design |
| c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu |
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 97 21:42:15 ITA
From: E.Chiozzi@agora.stm.it
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dream Theater in Milan
Message-ID: <199704131950.VAA27965@agora.stm.it>
Yesterday I went to the DT concert in Milan. It was a great show, and, as
it was the first time I saw DT live, I got impressed by their harmony on
the stage. They played classics like "Metropolis" and "Ytsejam" together
with new songs. Among the new ones I liked very much "Peruvian Skies" and
"Lines In The Sand". If this was the preamble, the new album will be a
masterpiece.
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* Edoardo Chiozzi *
* "The Metallian" *
* E-mail: E.Chiozzi@agora.stm.it *
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* Now listening to : *
* Gamma Ray - Land Of The Free *
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--- WinMMMR v1.70reg * had fingers in my eyes
had needles in my veins
a knife right through my heart
i am a victory
(Megadeth)
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:58:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason L Luscher <luscher@student.umass.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: No Doubt
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970413154652.5480A-100000@wilde.oit.umass.edu>
I've seen quite a few jams now where people are complaining about
music today, which is fine. I have my own set of complaints as well.
People also cite specific bands that they don't like, such as Nirvana, Bush,
Grenn Day, etc.... One thing that really upsets me is that people have
been grouping No Doubt with bands such as these that have to musical
skill. I would like to know how many jammers who complain about No Doubt
have actually heard their album. I was skeptical at first, but a friend
of mine played it for me and I was actually impressed. They demonstrate
many impressive skills and experiment in a great many styles of music
(which I've always found respectable). They are not prog and they're not
very heavy, but they are talented. You don't have to like them, but
don't judge them so hastily. Don't mistake commercial success for lack
of talent. - Jason
-I may have just written a suicide note there, we'll see...
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 16:16:14 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: No Doubt
Message-ID: <33513F0E.35CD@caribe.net>
Jason L Luscher wrote:
They demonstrate
> many impressive skills and experiment in a great many styles of music
> (which I've always found respectable). They are not prog and they're not
> very heavy, but they are talented. You don't have to like them, but
> don't judge them so hastily. Don't mistake commercial success for lack
> of talent. - Jason
>
very true.. ill have to agree with you, ND,is the only band thats
popular right now that i listen to,and actually have their 2 cd's,and
theyre at least talented,even if their music is not progressive or
complicated,its certainly not your run of the mill alternative,and even
if its fun to listen to,it doesnt mean its not musically good.I dont
know, I like em..
"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur.
The risk to survival is severe."
Ian Malcolm
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:40:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: Michael Lafser <mlafser@mail.win.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2451
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970413153709.20369A-100000@winc0>
this is a reply to the DT double cd
there will not be a double cd
i saw JP and DS at a clinic about two weeks ago
they said they do have 2 and 1/2 hours of music for it
but will only be one cd as of right now
they played some new stuff off it and it fucking rocked!
all i remembered off the new one they played was "Burning my soul" and
"lines in the sand"
they are cool so everyone go buy the new cd when it comes out
you will not regret it!
christoph
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:50:27 EDT
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: ack mode?
Message-ID: <19970413.145056.8678.0.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
You need to use your password also; at least that's what I did.
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On Sun, 13 Apr 1997 06:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
writes:
>Okay, I tried to switch to ack mode, but it apparently didn't work.
>Can somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong? I sent a message to
>ytsejam-request@ax.com, subject asdf, text SET YTSEJAM ACK. The
>listserv didn't bounce it back to me, but I'm still getting digests. Is
that
>the right command?
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:50:27 EDT
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: No Doubt
Message-ID: <19970413.145056.8678.1.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
>very true.. ill have to agree with you, ND,is the only band thats
>popular right now that i listen to,and actually have their 2 cd's,and
>theyre at least talented,even if their music is not progressive or
>complicated,its certainly not your run of the mill alternative,and
>even if its fun to listen to,it doesnt mean its not musically good.I
dont
>know, I like em..
No Doubt has *three* cds. No Doubt, Tragic Kingdom, and
The Beacon Street Collection. I think *all* of theri albums are
great, but then again I like SKA quite a bit going back to when I
saw Madness in 1983. Although TK is more mainstrream than
their other efforts it still has some great grooves on it.
It's so weird that people are talking about them because I'm going
to go see them Tuesday at Arco Arena (Sacramento). I'm also
going to the Shoreline show on 5/30.
Also, if you like SKA then check out the Mighty Mighty Bosstones too.
They opened Lolapalooser in 1995 and were the best act of the
whole show.
SKAtt
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:55:41 -0500 (EST)
From: 2112 <belhai@drew.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: No Doubt
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.970413175337.711350447C-100000@drew.edu>
On Sun, 13 Apr 1997, Jason L Luscher wrote:
> Grenn Day, etc.... One thing that really upsets me is that people have
> been grouping No Doubt with bands such as these that have to musical
> skill. I would like to know how many jammers who complain about No Doubt
> have actually heard their album. I was skeptical at first, but a friend
I don't know. I was turned off by their first single that I heard on the
radio. It just sounded stupid. And I hate bands that appear stupid or do
it on purpose (ie. Presidents of the US). The only thing I like about
this band is their classical guitar solo part in "don't speak" (is that
the name of the song?).
Brandon
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:02:09 GMT
From: breitweg@fusebox.hanse.de (Jason T. Breitweg)
Subject: Re: DT show last night in munich!!
Message-ID: <ubg1wuu1xa.fsf@fusebox.hanse.de>
Hi all,
Andreas> I met a view of the guys from the mailing list, but
Andreas> didn't see Jason Breitweg or Thomas Pfaller (were you
Andreas> there?).
Damn right I was there. On the barrier center stage! My review
should be coming soon. Maybe you didn't see me but did you see that
cool banner James held up for a second or two? I wonder who made
that? *evil grin* More stuff to come.
Jason
-- Jason Breitweg --> breitweg@amzeus.desy.de, jbreitwe@hep.physics.wisc.edu http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg, http://lobelia.physics.wisc.edu/jbreitwe "The Gods Made Heavy Metal And It's Never Gonna Die!" - MANOWAR------------------------------
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:04:15 GMT From: breitweg@fusebox.hanse.de (Jason T. Breitweg) Subject: Re: some stuff, incl. DTC (yeah) Message-ID: <ubenceu1ts.fsf@fusebox.hanse.de>
Hi all,
Steffen> BTW, I did NOT hear James saying something about a double Steffen> album. Actually we talked with Derek in Nuernberg and he Steffen> said something about a single album of 60 minutes Steffen> followed by an EP with Metropolis pt. 2 and live Steffen> tracks. Well, we'll see.
Yeah I didn't hear anything about a double CD either. Maybe you and I are not hearing things right Steffen *shrug*.
Steffen> Any news about the show in Milan? Mike dislocated a Steffen> finger during Metropolis in Munich! I don't know how he Steffen> managed to do this! And this maniac continues playing Steffen> after this incident as if nothing had happened. I hope he Steffen> didn't hurt it too much.
He looked like he was in massive pain. More about it in my review *grin*.
See you all in Bonn next week.
Jason -- Jason Breitweg --> breitweg@amzeus.desy.de, jbreitwe@hep.physics.wisc.edu http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg, http://lobelia.physics.wisc.edu/jbreitwe "The Gods Made Heavy Metal And It's Never Gonna Die!" - MANOWAR
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:10:57 -0500 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: no doubt Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970413221057.0075cb28@mail.inlink.com>
spiffy thread, i think i'll post on it :)
>and actually have their 2 cd's,and >>theyre at least talented,even if their music is not progressive or >>complicated,
this is not a flame to this guy in particular, because i've seen lots of other people do it too: why do some of you guys feel if something isnt "progressive" or "talented" you have to back up some reason for why its good and apologize for liking it? if its good, fuck it, its good! music doesnt revolve around progressive or fast fingers, saying you wont watch anything on mtv is just as ignorant as the dorks who say they wont watch anything not on mtv. john petrucci loves rage against the machine, mike portnoy digs public enemy, james labrie digs napalm death... the guys in dt dont let certain factors of music lacking in the presence of the bands they listen to affect them, remember, kids: neither do you! :)
>I don't know. I was turned off by their first single that I heard on the >radio. It just sounded stupid. And I hate bands that appear stupid or do >it on purpose (ie. Presidents of the US).
i love these guys (pres of the us, that is). it depends to me, if they're joking around on a stupid riff, i think its a riot. if they come up with a really great melody and turn it into a joke song, it pisses me off :) dont waste good music! be dorks over crap songs!
> The only thing I like about >this band is their classical guitar solo part in "don't speak" (is that >the name of the song?).
listen to some of their other songs you wont find on the radio, i'm sure you'll find a few other moments of spark in them.
~Rip
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