YTSEJAM Digest 2451
Today's Topics:
1) a steal! (NDTC)
by 2112 <belhai@drew.edu>
2) This just in...
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
3) Re: Yanni
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
4) Fatez soundfiles
by zack@lsil.com (zack gemmill)
5) album covers relate to the music?
by fba25110@centum.utulsa.edu (bruce forst)
6) Re: This just in...
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
7) Re: a steal! (NDTC)
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
8) Hey hey...
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
9) Get A Life or a Noisy Patch of Soil
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
10) Re: This just in...
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
11) Some rare Bahr for sale(possibly)
by Kevin Villines <kvill@flash.net>
12) KTS
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
13) Ivory Gate.............
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
14) DT show last night in munich!!
by jerry@muc.de (Andreas Schaefer)
15) A DT Night.
by wilson@specdata.com
16) DT IN BRAZIL!!! YEAH, YOU CAN BELIEVE IN THIS...
by "Bruno Stort" <blubarbi@sti.com.br>
17) Re: This just in...
by Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@BGNet.bgsu.edu>
18) Night Ranger on LIVE
by Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
19) Re: Hey hey...(NDTC)
by Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@BGNet.bgsu.edu>
20) Soundgarden and Rush
by alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 23:34:06 -0500 (EST)
From: 2112 <belhai@drew.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: a steal! (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.970411233155.711358761B-100000@drew.edu>
Holy shit-
I went to my friend's room to visit and I disocvered that he had a Rush
bootleg (The Electric Ladyland sessions from 1974). He told me that he
wasn't much into Rush anymore and had been trying to sell it for awhile.
I told him that I was a big Rush fan and so he sold it to me for $5.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brandon
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:19:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: This just in...
Message-ID: <199704120419.AAA11571@newman.concentric.net>
Grabbed this off the newsgroup:
>From: Marco Vettorello <sutnevju@usa.net>
>Newsgroups: alt.music.dream-theater
>Subject: WHOA! What a gig!
>Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:01:45 +0200
>
>I've just been to the DT concert in Munich and I've never experienced
>anything like this before.
>Believe it or not, James LaBrie said that as soon as they get back in
>the U.S. they'll go to the studio to record the DOUBLE album...
>The concert lasted 2 and 1/2 hours, they've played much new material
>and I assure you it's great!
>At the end of the concert, Mike gave a drumstick to a guy that was just
>in front of me!!!! I was starting to cry!
>Anyway, it's been the best concert I went to and I hope that anybody
>will take a record of an european show!
>I'll pay almost any price to have it!!!
>
>Marco
You kids notice anything interesting about this post? Yeah, the double CD
part. Can anyone confirm this? Any comments from our European Jammer
buddies? I know how easy it is for rumors to start. I'd hate to get my hopes
up for no reason.
-Rick Audet
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:28:13 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Yanni
Message-ID: <199704120428.VAA03360@odin.ax.com>
> > Thanx for the recomendation on the jam about Yanni,just bought Live at
> > the acropolis, and man this is awesome,beautiful,etc.. damnl.. :) itrs
> > great
>
> Yes, I recently bought that CD and it smokes! It has some nice
> instrumental breaks on some songs, but not really prog. Yanni has a great
> sound. Some of his songs ("keys to imagination" for example) sounds very
> "epic." Don't know if my point got across, but oh well...
I think you two oughtta purchase Dare to Dream then. It's funny, I
think that live album of his attracted more listeners than any of his
studio albums. I love it and I really don't like live shit.
Dare to Dream is a rad one. So's In Celebration of Life. He's got a
new compilation coming out on the 15th I guess, so it might be better
to get than any of the above. I'll letcha know.
BLEAT!
"Idle hands are the Devil's advocate. Keep busy thine hands
and forbid the Devil into thy lustful desires!"
--Bishop Maynard on the subject of self arrousal.
"KorgX3" ibanez@cyberhighway.net
http://www.cyberhighway.net/~ibanez
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 97 21:28:39 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (zack gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fatez soundfiles
Message-ID: <9704120428.AA27036@fas2>
I downloaded the new FW ra files and when I try to
play them, the raplayer utility crashes. I can play
the ra file I downloaded from the Iced Earth site
just fine. Anyone else having this problem? Should
I just download them again?
thanks,
Zach
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:08:02 -0500
From: fba25110@centum.utulsa.edu (bruce forst)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: album covers relate to the music?
Message-ID: <199704120508.AAA26634@utulsa.edu>
>What I would like is for people to share w/me is the things
>you notice about progressive metal, particularly the album design, that you
>notice most. What common images do you see? What sort of emotions do they
>evoke?
I thought i would post some of my ideas that I gave to this guy to the jam
in hopes of getting some feedback on my little theory....
One theory that just came to mean was the idea that progressive rock likes
to put contrasting images on the cover of their albums. For instance the boy
in the snow on ACOS and like the clock face on the moon. A glance at the
cover of awake would tell someone looking at it that the albums lyrics might
deal with the issues of world perception and self perception. possibly?
whereas the cover of ACOS portays the passage of time and its juxtaposition
(heh?). This is to tell the potential listener that the music inside deals
with issues. Progressive rock is in general issue oriented. thought
provocation. Whereas other music may stress the artist or in the case of
something like Radiohead: the bends, the cover is not about either the
artist or the issues but focuses more on the of the bizarre nature of the
group. It says "if you're looking for different its right here!". What is
alternative supposed to be anyways.. different; progressive rock.. thought
provoking/issues; country... emotional/simple; classical... soothing;
jazz..upbeat maybe?
whaddya think? am I all wet here? is this obvious to anyone else? There's
more but this is the general idea.
bruce
fba25110@centum.utulsa.edu
(yes I'm the OTHER okie jammer)
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 01:25:29 EDT
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: This just in...
Message-ID: <19970411.222610.8678.15.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
.
>>Believe it or not, James LaBrie said that as soon as they get back in
>>the U.S. they'll go to the studio to record the DOUBLE album...
I hope this is true, but I'll believe it when I see it.
Scott
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 01:25:29 EDT
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: a steal! (NDTC)
Message-ID: <19970411.222610.8678.14.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
On Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:47:35 -0700 (PDT) 2112 <belhai@drew.edu> writes:
>Holy shit-
>
>I went to my friend's room to visit and I disocvered that he had a
>Rush bootleg (The Electric Ladyland sessions from 1974).
>He told me that he wasn't much into Rush anymore and had
>been trying to sell it for awhile. I told him that I was a big Rush
>fan and so he sold it to me for $5.
>YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOW! Rush Limbaugh played Electic Ladyland in 74?
I have this on cd also and it's an awesome disc. The one
I have also has Cleveland 74 (:30 of it) with about the same
quality as Cygnus.
Of course, I had to pay $25 for mine, you lucky Bastard :-)
Scott
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 23:15:02 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hey hey...
Message-ID: <199704120615.XAA14141@goodguy.goodnet.com>
I have some awesome new DT material (and a HUGE thanks go out to
the provider) part of which will be on Darkest of Winters, and part of
which will be released thereafter for everyone. As far as I can tell, NONE
of it has been circulated in any form. It's pretty old and some predates
DT. I can't wait to see what you all think of this...
Oh yes, before I forget. Run, don't walk, to your local theater
and see Chasing Amy. Don't pass go, don't collect $200. I didn't even
laugh so hard for Nutty Professor, and that table scene was a
sidesplitter. The latest in the "Clerks" series is a winner... CA brings
us back Gwen the Slut (as a lesbian character), Brodieman (comic book
tracer...ah... inker), and has about ten appearances by past characters.
It was a riot! See it!
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 01:48:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Get A Life or a Noisy Patch of Soil
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970412014142.448B-100000@comp>
Greetings,
Just a couple idle thoughts to add to the fire:
Queensryche's 'Get a Life' from HitnF: Definitely the most ragged on song
on the album and rightfully so... what in the heck is up with
that chorus? I gots an idear about it though... what if maybe
they actually repeated the chorus over and over for effect? You
know, the way a person who needs to get a life will just obsess
over something and refuse to let it go unless they are just
bludgeoned over the head repeatedly with a blunt object? (Or a
chorus that just refuses to die for that matter)... Hey Geoff:
you oughta get a _verse_. :)
SoundGarden: Damn, you wanna talk sell-outs, how about these guys?
Badmotorfinger and then Superunknown? What happened there?
Not to slag on them or anything since I like them personally,
but I am curious why no-one brings up the fact that they used
to be just incredibly heavy and then allofasudden turn
alternative. Jesus Christ Pose is possibly one of the greatest
headbanging tunes ever, and Spoonman just catches a helluva
groove on it. Love them or hate them, you at least have to give
the band a little bit of credit in the musical talent and
originality department.
DrX
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 01:06:22 -0700
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: This just in...
Message-ID: <199704120806.BAA46370@lucia.u.arizona.edu>
At 10:39 PM 4/11/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>>Believe it or not, James LaBrie said that as soon as they get back in
>>>the U.S. they'll go to the studio to record the DOUBLE album...
>
>I hope this is true, but I'll believe it when I see it.
You know, I was just watching a bootleg of a Portnoy clinic (thanks
Fernando :), and Portnoy's rationale for having a double album is that the
music once again intertwines, and to only use half of the songs for an album
would make the listener miss parts of the story. He said something about
balance between the ballads, the prog anthems, and the ballz 'n chunk metal.
However, they keep talking about having the album out in Sep/Oct.
How is that possible if they haven't even started recording yet, especially
if they're doing a double CD?
Anyone ask them at a clinic if they've already recorded stuff for
the new album yet besides the demos?
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
If you like that there rock 'n roll,
check out: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 03:59:17 -0500
From: Kevin Villines <kvill@flash.net>
To: YtseJam Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Some rare Bahr for sale(possibly)
Message-ID: <334F4EE5.13D0@flash.net>
I've got the Tori and Metallica CDs that Mike put out and I'm just wondering
what kind of offers I could get on these? I saw where the market value of the Tori cd is
up to $90 and the Metallica is $50. The thing is, I need money to support my house
repair addiciton and I may or may not sell these, but if the right offer does come
along, I could easily part with these. I'm open to some offers. Thanks, Kevin.
PS-I've got a copy of Stu Hamm's Kings of Sleep and Echolyn's As The World that I'll
part with for $10 each.
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:33:47 -0700
From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: KTS
Message-ID: <334FAB5B.160E@dreamt.org>
I'm going to out a big order in to KTS on Monday and am worried. What if
they take the money and close down and I (and three other people) never
get their CDs? Does anyone know if they are really sending these disks
out, and if not, what can be done about it? Nothing, I would believe.
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:48:31 -0400
From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ivory Gate.............
Message-ID: <334F849F.394@earthlink.net>
> Later I found a Fates tape I really
> really like. God knows which one it is. (Here's an excerpt: help me out...
> "Waking hours..something, something,....all we do and all we dream...") I
> have bad hearing so excuse the mistakes. But anyway, Ray boy sings really
> good on this one.
This would be the epic from which all epics shall be judged "Ivory Gate
of Dreams" off of Fates Warning's "No Exit" album. Its songs like these
that make 20 minutes seem like five.
also..just wanted to warn everyone that the majestic "Ivory Tower" .sig
has once again risen from the ashes and shall rear its head somewhere
around April 22nd. Make sure you have your scroll key handy :-)
Fates Fanatic #1,
Carlo (aka Fates, aka YtseSatan)
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"Neo-classical, progressive, melodic metal"
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 15:54:31 +0200
From: jerry@muc.de (Andreas Schaefer)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT show last night in munich!!
Message-ID: <v01540b01af754058e32d@[193.174.4.141]>
Hi there folks in ytseland,
last night DT was playing here in munich and they were great!!!
Setlist was exactly the same as for the Fix for '96 shows in december.
The guys really seemed to enjoy themeselves, Mike and Derek were teasing
each other all the time making faces.. John Petrucci and John Myung were
jamming face to face for a few times - JM was even smiling. James
LaBrie just had the perfect voice (_much_ better than in 95 for the Awake
tour) and even he was in a great mood...
The audience was also really great - carefully listening to the new
material, and ecstatically singing and cheering during the older stuff.
The only bad thing: Mike Portnoy hurt himself during Learning to live.
Sources said he dislocated a finger of the right hand. According to his face
and behaviour it must have hurt like hell... but he played Metropolis as
an encore nevertheless. But at the end of the show he put his right hand
immediately in a bucket full of ice.
I met a view of the guys from the mailing list, but didn't see Jason Breitweg
or Thomas Pfaller (were you there?).
Hopefully enough DTC to justify the following:
A big F*CK YOU to everyone who's trying to make the jam worse by senseless
discussions about taste and other flamewars. You know who you are...
read you soon - jerry :--)
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Andreas Schaefer jerry@muc.de
...bei 200 Grad 15 Minuten backen, und keine Eier! - Tool
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 09:44:03 -0400
From: wilson@specdata.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A DT Night.
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970412094359.00690370@mail.specdata.com>
Well, Last night my friends and I went to the local bar in Centereach,
Long Island. We were celebrating his "farewell to hair" since he chopped
it all off. I went over to the jukebox and what do I see? DT's I&W!!! (You
know you are on Long Island if you see DT in the Jukebox.) Well, That's
when the fun began..
We played the entire album to a bar packed with alternative fans!!!
People looked at us singing along and shook thier heads.
It was a joyus occasion, until the cover band started...
I knew it was too good to last...
WilsonCat
(Kevin)
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 11:36:52 -0300
From: "Bruno Stort" <blubarbi@sti.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT IN BRAZIL!!! YEAH, YOU CAN BELIEVE IN THIS...
Message-ID: <199704121459.LAA20479@davinci.sti.com.br>
To all brazilians fans on this mailing list: DT WILL COME ON THE NEXT
MONSTERS OF ROCK!!! I just cannot believe either, but is true. I read on
the Jornal da Tarde, that DT with Tipe O Negative, Manowar, Judas Priest,
DIO, WhiteSnake and some others brazilians bands that is not confirmed,
will play on the Monsters. I didn't like this others band, cuz I don't like
the roots of Heavy Metal (like manowar), but certainly I'll be there. The
gig will happen on august 30th (it's a saturday), probably on Estadio do
Pacaembu, SP. Well, I'm very very happy about this, and I expect that DT
come again after this concert to a gig where only they will play.
Late...
Bruno Stort
blubarbi@sti.com.br
I Will Live On...
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 11:58:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@BGNet.bgsu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: This just in...
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.970412114934.450A-100000@bgnet1.bgsu.edu>
>Believe it or not, James LaBrie said that as soon as they get back in
>the U.S. they'll go to the studio to record the DOUBLE album..>
This could mean a double album for Europe and Asia, and not North America.
I know no more than the rest of you, but quite a few imports of my
favorite bands have more than just bonus tracks, but bonus discs.
For example, the Japanese version of Living Colour's Pride (greatest
hits) comes with an extra friggin' CD! Also, my "Australasia"
version of Sting's Ten Summoner's Tales came with a bonus live disc.
So, this is a possibility.
Sincerely,
G. Jack Thetgyi
P.S. Thank you to D-Man, Rip, Scott Cook, Ed Polzin, and Davide for the
information on KTS.
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 00:59:39 +0900
From: Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Night Ranger on LIVE
Message-ID: <199704121559.AAA13404@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp>
Well,I just got back from Night Ranger show right now.
Maybe there're guys out there don't know about their re-union,but I'll
continue about this.
This is their "Neverland" tour in Japan. Original 5 guys Night Ranger. The
venue (Osaka Kouseinenkin Hall CAP.2,800) was almost sold out. But most of
the audience wa mid or late 20s and 30s with their kids. Highly aged
audience,don't you think that?
The show started with the song "Neverland" off their latest album
(released last month). Wow, they ran across stage! And did formation! Do
you remember this? Swinging their guitars. etc..... Such things were
reminded me of rock concert of 80s. Some kind of TIME SLIPPING. But 90% of
the audience came there to remind them of their youth. he,he....... So
there's few reaction from the audience to their new songs. Well,to tell the
truth, their new songs ain't better than what they used to play. Some nice
new songs are on their new album,that's true. But those songs can't be
compared with the songs like "(You Can Still) Rock In America","Don't Tell
Me You Love Me". The high-light were "High Enough" (Damn Yankees), "Let Him
Run","(You Can Still) Rock In America" ,"Don't Tell Me You Love Me". I
think what they are doing right now will NOT affect music scene, but
there's some place for them to survive......
Speaking of 80s band, have you ever heard new Dokken? I think I ain't the
only one who think their new one (titled "Shadow Life") sucks. Any comment?
Thanks.
-Keiji Nishihara
Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp
tq0139@mail.doshisha.ac.jp
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:06:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@BGNet.bgsu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Hey hey...(NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.970412115827.450B-100000@bgnet1.bgsu.edu>
> Oh yes, before I forget. Run, don't walk, to your local theater
> and see Chasing Amy...CA brings us back Gwen the Slut (as a lesbian
> character), Brodieman (comic book tracer...ah... inker), and has about
> ten appearances by past characters. It was a riot! See it!
Hey Mike,
What about Fashionable's Male favorite butt pirate, Shannon? I
read that Kevin Smith wrote the script especially for him. I know there
are some pictures from the movie on the View Askew web page, but I don't
want to spoil any surprises. I liked what Time magazine said about CA:
"If you liked Sleepless in Seattle, you'll hate CA". As long as I don't
have to drive an hour to Michigan to see it, like MST3K: The Movie, I
won't employ the Jedi mind trick.
Sincerely,
G. Jack Thetgyi
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:48:44 -0300
From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
To: "ytsejam mailing list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Soundgarden and Rush
Message-ID: <19970412175054.AAA37096@alexis1>
I've always thought that the Rush song "Dog Years" sounds just like
Soundgarden. If you are a Soundgarden hater and you like this song, then I
don't know where you're coming from.
Alexis
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