YTSEJAM Digest 2424
Today's Topics:
1) Promised land..first listen to QR other than Silent lucidity
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
2) Frustrated....
by hans.petter.olsen@cinet.no
3) Re: High Frequency
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
4) Altura and Ozric Tentacles....
by "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net>
5) RE: When will I see them live ?
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
6) Here we go again...
by Timothy Adams <adamst@egginc.com>
7) Re: Frustrated....
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
8) SENTINEL STEEL ( address/phone #).....
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
9) Reviews/Dream Circle records
by Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
10) JP/DS
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
11) Rush in LA
by "James Garrett"<james.garrett@tekelec.com>
12) seb bach
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
13) Re: JP/DS clinics
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
14) The album is already done!
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2419
by Symbolic66@aol.com
16) Re: Study in USA...
by Symbolic66@aol.com
17) leggo my ego !
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
18) Re: High frequency in SDV
by Symbolic66@aol.com
19) R: Stratovarius
by "Fabris Andrea" <ea00628@flashnet.it>
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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 09:00:50 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: El Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Promised land..first listen to QR other than Silent lucidity
Message-ID: <33450992.A89@caribe.net>
Hello, a friend of mine just lent me promised land, the first cd from QR
that ive ever heard on its entirety, the other being Empire,but i dont
remember any of it, and ive heard bits of O:MC, (anarchyx/revolution
calling,which BTW didnt grab me at all IMO)but i dont know why people
have been refering ,at least in the NG's to promised land as
alternative,or just as big as a "sellout" as hitnf,i dont know but from
what i listen to PL,if theres any alternative band that sounds like
that,please point me to it..there are some songs in there that are very
very good....
--"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:21:12 +0100 From: hans.petter.olsen@cinet.no To: Ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Frustrated.... Message-ID: <199704041320.NAA07483@mailhost.cinet.no>
I need some new music from DT and I need it NOW. So far '97 have given us little to be pleased by. I personaly was even disapointed by QR's new CD. Would it help if the jammers started mailing the record company and put some pressure on them? Anybody know if "Live Forever" is released anywhere else than on the Japan video?
Later, take care all of u
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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 07:54:21 -0500 From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: High Frequency Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970404000956.007a3140@ionsys.com>
>>or it could also be the noise from television. i don't know how to >>explain this technically, but you know the sound on boots of MTV >>Unplugged (queensryche, for example)? there's kind of a background noise >>involved, and that's what i hear when KevMo's samples are playing... .. >Ahhh!! Yess... that's what it probably is, the MX noise...
Where's Hairball when ya need him...
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 09:52:03 -0000 From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Altura and Ozric Tentacles.... Message-ID: <199704041449.GAA16781@odin.ax.com>
Got my CD Connection order the other day...
Altura:
Um, hello? I can't believe I've read Altura bashing here before. Yes, at times they sound like DT, and, yes, sometimes their transitions are abrupt and a little 'out there', but there is a LOT of depth to this album. Some people have dissed their drummer for being a Mike Portnoy wannabe, but this guy can PLAY. And if DT ever loses James, I know who their next singer is going to be. Rain Irving is great. This is one band where the whole time I was listening, I was thinking, "this is really good, but I can't wait to hear their next one." Thumbs up.
Ozrics:
I got Strangeitude and Arborescence, and all I can say is, where has this band been all my life? Why aren't these guys much better known than they are? Kind of a trippy, groove-oriented Rush/Pink Floyd/whoever else minus vocals. Great background music. This is like elevator music for prog lovers. STRONGLY recommended.
Mike Patrick InfoTech Consulting, Inc. mepatrick@iquest.net
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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 07:55:22 -0800 From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: When will I see them live ? Message-ID: <199704041555.HAA00177@ms.kallback.com>
>Through this list I have started listening to a lot of new (too me) music. >Bands such as Fates Warning, Savatage, Echolyn, Lemur Voice, Magellan > , Shadow Gallery, Enchant etc. >.I'd really like to see some of these live. Am I missing out by being in >the UK or do these bands just not tour that often ? >Jon. ---------- You've got to be kidding!!! Europe is the only place most of these bands play! Try living in the US!!!
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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 09:08:43 -0500 From: Timothy Adams <adamst@egginc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Here we go again... Message-ID: <s344dddb.076@wasc.egginc.com>
I think a few older jams got sent to me..........I'm seeing the bootlegging arguement again.....Damn computers. Get it straight Skadz... :>) Shall we rehash this again??? Anyone have any new thoughts??? Anyone NOT say their peace???? Take it private PLEASE!!!!!!!
On a lighter note, I ordered LATM a few weeks ago and got it within 2 days......I paid $22 for it. Is this the going price or should I venture to a big city to get these things???
Also, Sebastian is a very good singer (IMO). I loved the Slave to the Grind stuff. Haven't heard anything from him in a while though.
-Tim (waiting for the testicular cancer thing to pop up again, it's a nice turn over on the jam. Every 6 months or so we start all over)
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:16:01 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Frustrated.... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970404111503.12765A-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
On Fri, 4 Apr 1997 hans.petter.olsen@cinet.no wrote:
> Would it help if the jammers started mailing the record company and put some > pressure on them?
We did, and it has helped. Check out http://www.prognosis.com/petition.
> Anybody know if "Live Forever" is released anywhere else than on the Japan > video?
"To Live Forever" is on the Lie single.
-d
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 11:19:43 -0500 From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: SENTINEL STEEL ( address/phone #)..... Message-ID: <33452A1F.1C21@earthlink.net>
> Sorry to bug the jam about this, but Carlo, do you > have a new 'Sentinel Steel' phone number or something? The > one I have doesn't work anymore. I read that you just > talked to him so.... > > In case any US jammers are looking for a magazine to read > about power/prog metal bands, 'Sentinel Steel' is an awesome > zine which is well done for $4 or $5. It has a bunch > of articles/reviews etc. I can give more info. if you want
Sorry it took me so long to respond to this..my mail server has been crap the past few days.
SENTINEL STEEL P.O. Box 123 Rockaway, NJ 07866 USA
phone/fax: (201) 691-5859
**Definitely an AMAZING source for prog/power metal...fantastic prices in his catalog!! Got ANGRA's "Reaching Horizons" for $10 and a Japanese pressing of VICIOUS RUMORS "Soldiers of the Night" w/ Vinnie Moore complete with tab for just $16!!!! Give him a call..what I do is call him to check if he has anything I'm about to order from Dream Disc..that way I get it for half price. Great guy too...tell him I told you..maybe I'll get a free sticker :-)
cheers, Carlo
-- _ __| |__ "When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __| maybe then you'll begin to understand | | Life down here is just a strange illusion." | | |_|
--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
"Neo-classical, progressive, melodic metal"
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:27:21 -0500 From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com> To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Reviews/Dream Circle records Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=bostech%l=CARRIER-970404162721Z-10676@carrier.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
First, if anyone knows how to get a CD from a performer named Rob Lamothe (of Riverdogs ??) from a label called Dream Circle records, please let me know !!
More importantly, in "recalling" the Fix shows recently (ahem:), I have to say the following. Flame me for what I say but praise me for DTC !! And be careful what you say, I just got me a music degree !!
1) Two songs stand out big time for me: Lines in the Sand and Burning My Soul. Dont let any producer water these down !!
2) In Burning My Soul, they really need to scrap the line "I say its green and you say its red". Ugh. And, will they retain the profanity ?? To me, if they were going to "break the barrier", they should have kept mercy fuck.
3) Just let me breathe sounds like a forced song in the style of CIAW. Like they were put into a studio and told to write a song in one hour. It doesn't grow on me at all no matter how many times I "recall" the fix shows.
4) I really like the jazzy groove feel and unctuous (hehehe, look it up) sound that DS lends to passages like the beginning of Peruvian Skies.
5) Take Away My Pain. Tough for me. All of the intensity is in the lyrics, not the music. I know that this is a very personal and important song for JP, but when you dont get much new material too often I would rather get Metropolis II than songs like this.
6) Who sings those dreadful backup lyrics on Burning My Soul ?? (just kidding Mike, you sound beeeautiful, signed Pinocchio).
7) Should they add the "DoE ending" of LtL to the end of Lines in the sand ?? Say "yes Mark".
Later, Mark Metzger >mmetzger@bostech.com
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:47:26 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: JP/DS Message-ID: <199704041647.KAA22371@Walden.MO.NET>
Oh man oh man oh man, what can I say. The JP/DS clinic last night totally rocked anything I have ever had rocked before, and then some. And yes, DS did his clinic before JP, so I got to see both, but they also jammed some together, AND it lasted a total of nearly three hours. It was the first exposure I have had to the new material, and I must say that it is gonna be a GOOD album. Oh, and DS did mention the petition (thanking everyone :), and said the new album will probably be out sooner than we expect :). WOO HOO!!!!!
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 09:19:47 -0700 From: "James Garrett"<james.garrett@tekelec.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush in LA Message-ID: <8825646F.005EC06E.00@domino1.ca.tekelec.com>
Sorry about the lack of DT content, but. . .
for you LA Rush fans (if you don't already know), tickets go on sale tomorrow at 10:00 for the May 10th show at the Blockbuster Pavilion. I don't know how much reserved seats are, but if you ask for the KLOS seats, you can get general admission "lawn" seats for $9.55. That's not a misprint--$9.55 for general admission! Also, the radio promo said that they are actually going to play all of 2112! I'd pay nine bucks just to here that.
James G
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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 11:19:14 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: seb bach Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970404171914.00742114@mail.inlink.com>
> >Also, Sebastian is a very good singer (IMO). I loved the Slave to the >Grind stuff. Haven't heard anything from him in a while though.
bas is one of my all time favorite vocalists. and he's about ten times better now than he was on slave to the grind, adding more balls to his singing and belting things out with a great deal of power. you can check out his singing on the rush tribute, and if you like that, pick up Subhuman Race, which is like a total bash fest, they dont let up once on that whole album, it completely shreds, they're becoming heavier and heavier with each release. Even if you detest to the older skid row you still may find a great CD in their latest release. not to mention bach hangs with DT sometimes :) ~Rip
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:27:23 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: JP/DS clinics Message-ID: <199704041727.LAA28794@Walden.MO.NET>
Rip wrote:
> w00!!!! what an amazing clinic. Not only was JP around, Derek also did one > before petrucc' and later they got together and jammed. Derek i must say is > one of the coolest guys in the band, very friendly, casual, talkative, i > wasnt expecting him to be so outgoing and cool. Also played two songs i > hadnt heard yet that are new DT stuff, which are You Or Me (i think) and > Hollow Years. i REAAAAALY hope to hear HY on the new disc, that one had my > spine in chills. :) Totally agreed. Hollow Years was ECXELLENT. I, too hope to see it on the new one. And Derek was a lot more casual and all that stuff you said than I was expecting. Very cool guy. > saw some jammers there as usual. hung out with aaron > happe, talked to dale newberry for a while, saw pat griffin- was planning to > say hi after the autograph signing but you split, sorry dude! :) Yeah, bummer you had to split when you did. Eh, see you there Saturday :).
> as for John, it was phenomenal, and he's a really cool guy. I wont indulge into > detail, i'll just say the coolest part of all is when John and Derek jammed > Prince! WOOOOOOOO!! I almost didn't recognize the song. TOTALLY amazing (it was "Purple Rain," BTW).
> to all you there i didnt see, know, recognize, whatever.. hell, drop me e mail >anyway , i'll talk to anyone who was there. Same here.
Pat Griffin wrote:
> Well, I just got back from a four hour round trip to see John and Derek > play at McMurray Music in St. Louis. I'm sure that others will post, so > I'll just list some highlights... Man, there were too many higlights to list. WOO HOO!!!
> Guy: "What's John Myung like?" > Derek: "You know, I've played with John for two and a half years now, and > I just met him last week." I got a good chuckle out of that one :). > Derek: "When I solo, I approach it like a guitarist would. I generally > look for the sounds that have... um.. what's the word I'm looking for...? > Balls." Hehe :). > John: "Ok, for a shirt. How many instrumentals has Dream Theater done? > And you have to name them..." > Guy: "4. Erotomania, Ytsejam, Eve, and... and... oh shit, what's the > other one... Bombay Vindaloo!" > Me: "What about Showdown? Moonbubbles? Barfbag? The Ressurection of > Ernie?" Beat me to it :). I was gonna mention those :). > John: "How many watts are the speakers I'm using?" (I think this one was a > joke) > Guy1: "100!" > Guy2: "80!" > Me: "one point twenty one gigawatts!" (Back to the Future ref... :) Hehe :). Didn't hear that (you were on the opposite side of the room from me :).
> New songs showcased: Burning My Soul, Lines in the Sand, bits of Just Let > Me Breathe. (heard those already) John also played along to Hollow Years > (new one to me). I believe it had vox, but they were drowned out. Yeha, I thought I heard some drowned out vocals on it or soemthing. Great tune. > I also ended up with an Ibanez shirt for naming the first new song he > played at the clinic (Burning My Soul). Dammit, you beat me to that one, too :). > I met Richard Warren there, but I didn't notice others with ytsejam shirts > on (I think I was the only one, which is why he approached me. Most > everyone else had a tour shirt on). I was wearing my Rush T4E shirt (black one). Woulda maybe worn my jam shirt, but I had to come straight from work (my jam shirt's a little big to wear under my work shirt). Anyway, in case you (or any other jammers) saw me, I was the guy with the long gotee, standing in back, wearing the Rush shirt, and a hat that said Oxford on the front (well, back, sicne I was wearing it backwards). > One final note, Derek said that at a recent meeting with the recording > label, they mentioned that they recieved our petition. It (according to > Derek) totalled over a quarter of a million signatures and was refered to > by the label as "the single largest show of fan support we have seen for a > band." They hope to be in the studio shortly after the Euro shows. > Derek says the new CD is "sooner than you think." Yeha, didn't he make a reference to a number of months or something? At any rate, it was encouraging to know that the petition did some good. And I must say again how cool these guys were. No egos.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 12:37:20 -0500 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The album is already done! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970404123720.00b24d60@pophost.fore.com>
>and said the new album will >probably be out sooner than we expect :). WOO HOO!!!!!
Is anyone else getting the impression that the album's done already, and we're having our chains yanked? There have been several reports of DT members saying "the album will probably be out sooner than we expect." Also, with all of that secret snooping around Mike Bahr has been doing, I think he knows something we don't. I get the feeling that Mike P just wanted to see if we were really capable of causing such a stir (like we did with the petition). Just as we are responsible for ACOS being released, I have a feeling the record company is starting to dig our existence and dedication/obsession to this band. Just my thoughts, but I think the album is done, and Elektra/DT (Mike P in particular) have snookered us. If you know for fact that this is not true, please disprove me.
KAI
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:36:05 -0500 (EST) From: Symbolic66@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2419 Message-ID: <970404123602_1917124372@emout16.mail.aol.com>
<< > I dont know where you are coming from here, but in my opinion as well as
> a lot of others is that Sebastian Bach has one of the best voices in the > business. >>
have you listened to him on the rush tribute? his voice is great...but god he breathes so loud after EVERY line...its so annoying! listen to it next time and pay attention... its like blah blah blah UUUUUH blah blah blah UUUUH my old guitar teacher pointed taht out to me and we had a good laugh i wonder if he does that on skid row tunes too...i wouldnt know
brian (symbolic) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/5578/home.htm
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:37:50 -0500 (EST) From: Symbolic66@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Study in USA... Message-ID: <970404123748_-1937659408@emout03.mail.aol.com>
<< I prefer A. Vivaldi, although he's from Baroque era.! :) >>
vivaldis THE shit my good man! i get the impression that jp favors chopin though
brian (symbolic) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/5578/home.htm
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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 11:37:37 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: leggo my ego ! Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970404173737.0075c570@mail.inlink.com>
>And I must say again how cool these guys were. No egos.
another highlight: <JP plays insane little jazz progression> jokinly snobbish: "i went to berklee"
but the best highlight of the night was that guy over in the left side of the stage who.. man.. he had like an accent, i guess it may have been asian, i couldnt see him.. but this guy was a riot! a total spooge! he asked Derek about if he ever played in harmonic 4ths (i think thats what he asked, it was weird regardless) with John Myung on Space dye vest! derek kind of tried to shake it off, but his real highlight later in the evening (obviously the only guy in the band he really knew of was myung) he asked petrucci how the Ytse Jam came about, JP replied that it basically came of off john myung.. the guy belts out "OH MY GOSH!!! DAT WAS JOHN MYUNGS RIFF?!?!?!?!" i was dying. who WAS this guy?! :)
~Rip
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:39:10 -0500 (EST) From: Symbolic66@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: High frequency in SDV Message-ID: <970404123909_-1034381583@emout04.mail.aol.com>
i tried to hear it and i cant...hey! i play snare in marching band...my hearing has been destroyed by relentless rimshots...hehehehehe
brian (symbolic) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/5578/home.htm
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 19:05:22 +0200 From: "Fabris Andrea" <ea00628@flashnet.it> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: R: Stratovarius Message-ID: <199704041749.TAA21810@star.flashnet.it>
---------- > Da: Peter Geerts <peter@wina.student.kuleuven.ac.be> > A: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> > Oggetto: Stratovarius > Data: mercoledì 2 aprile 1997 21.44 > > Just picked up Stratovarius' Dreamspace yesterday. I wanted to say that I > absolutely love the album, but do they have more albums? And is there some > kind of Stratovarius homepage somewhere? > > Peter > Well, well, well.. I knew Stratovarius when I bought (I hope the if-sentence is right (gosh, my english!!!)) "4th dimension" (perhaps it's not their best album). However I suggest "Episode". A note: in this album cover there is the address of Stratovarius official web-page. It is http://www.netlife.fi/Stratovarius. You can find here infos on their tours, albums and all their lyrics. See ya soon ytse-surfers!!!
Qapla'
Andrea Fabris (e-mail: ea00628@flashnet.it) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- "Io ne ho viste cose... che voi umani non potreste mai immaginarvi" -Blade Runner
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