YTSEJAM Digest 2422
Today's Topics:
1) reissues news, rush & KI$$ (fwd)
by Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net>
2) DTC!!! Heaven's Gate
by The Silent Screamer <tritt@eden.rutgers.edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2419
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
4) SAVATAGE
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2421
by Insydeout@aol.com
6) Re: When will I see them live ?
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
7) Geoff Tate on Politically Incorrect
by Jeff Stewart <stewaj01@condor.stcloud.msus.edu>
8) Re: compound meters
by "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com>
9) The coolest DT-related thing happened to me today...
by Elliott Kim <ekim@gate.net>
10) Re: compound meters
by "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com>
11) Re: When will I see them live ?
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
12) Re: VH and inanity
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
13) Neegwog
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
14)
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
15) RE: HITNF Charting
by Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@BGNet.bgsu.edu>
16) Warrior Soul
by MTeiper@aol.com
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2417
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:29:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: reissues news, rush & KI$$ (fwd)
Message-ID: <199704040129.RAA12432@sweden.it.earthlink.net>
This has a lot more info on the Rush reissues and since there are KI$$
fans here (whether they admit it or not ;) ) I thought I'd keep that
info on here too.
Scott
>Both KISS and RUSH will be on the receiving end of reissues to be
>released later this year from Polygram/Mercury. Rush will also see the
>re-release of their first six albums and "Retrospective 1974-80" on May
>6. Following a month later will be six more albums and a second
>compilation. Then in July, the three live albums will follow along with a
>live compilation. Then in August a new live album on Atlantic will be
>released. As for Kiss, they will see 17 of their albums reissued this
>summer. Another Kiss greatest hits will also be released on April 8. Both
>sets of reissues will include full color gatefold sleeves or posters and
>"Love Gun" will come with that paper fold 'love gun.
>For list service help, send a message to kissalive-request@mars.galstar.com
with a subject of HELP.
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 97 20:55:09 EST
From: The Silent Screamer <tritt@eden.rutgers.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DTC!!! Heaven's Gate
Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.5.860118909.tritt@er7.rutgers.edu>
Hey guys, long time since my last post. I was kind of bored today and
decided to decipher some DT lyrics instead of analyze their music which is
what I like to do (I play the geetar so it kind of goes together). I found
something which I found quite amusing... look at the "thank you's" on the
inner side of the liner notes (not the side with the wide pict. of the band in
the studio) and you'll see DT thanking Heaven's Gate. Just thought it was
something funny and for all you flamers out there... yes, I know, Heaven's
Gate is also a band.
Later,
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Dori Tritt "Like a scream but sort of silent"
tritt@eden.rutgers.edu -John Petrucci
screamer@dreamt.org A W A K E
chromeboy@juno.com
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:07:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2419
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970403211052.21179522@access.mountain.net>
At 11:31 AM 4/3/97 -0800, Chris Ptacek wrote:
> It's on ABC now. They bought it from Comedy Central. Check your
>listings (I think around midnight) because if it's on ABC here, it should
>be on ABC everywhere.
Just for the record, it's not on at the same time everywhere, tho'. Here in
the Pittsburgh area (Morgantown doesn't warrant its own TV station) it runs
at something like 2am, after a couple of those stupid Jerry Springer type
talk shows (and Nightline, of course), so you may want to check your local
listings, as they say, to see exactly when it's on in your area.
Just thought y'all'd like to know.
Jonathan Byrne, 1L; WVU Collge of Law
rael@access.mountain.net (WormWood or DrNick on IRC)
Album Reviews, Race Results, Commentary, and More at
http://access.mountain.net/~rael/home.htm
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"Life's far too simple for our lives to be complex
We take things like God, love, and life
And pile them in our human mess."
-Brett Kull, "Suffocating the Bloom", echolyn
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 97 21:35 EST
From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: SAVATAGE
Message-ID: <m0wCyqW-0000SJC@xcalibur.iinc.com>
What does the new Savatage sound like. Damn it, I can't wait until summer. I
want it NOW! An advanced copy- something. This will be like my thousandth
'Tage album but every album constantly keeps me happy. I WANT IT NOW. I
Can't wait any longer!!
Don
mcauburn@iinc.com
soulmadness@hotmail.com (for people sending pics, sound files, etc.)
Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more
to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:35:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Insydeout@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2421
Message-ID: <970403213348_-1603792571@emout13.mail.aol.com>
Please..Let me rephrase my statement. We have a guitar, bass, and drum
instructional videos from DT. Where is the vocal and keyboards videos..Guys,
we're waiting.
Debbie B
Insydeout Entertainment
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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 21:57:02 +0000
From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: When will I see them live ?
Message-ID: <B0000067445@chicago.orlinter.com>
At 05:35 PM 4/3/97 -0800, you wrote:
>> Through this list I have started listening to a lot of new (too me) music.
>> Bands such as Fates Warning, Savatage, Echolyn, Lemur Voice, Magellan
>> , Shadow Gallery, Enchant etc.
> i can tell you that you won't see echolyn live....as the five
>piece we all know and love. whether "echolyn" will tour or not is
>uncertain at this time. ray, brett and paul may in fact "dig echolyn
>from the grave" without tom and chris (who has refused to play with
>echolyn..and if you'd hear finneus gauge (and you will in may) you'd know
>why.)
I just got the new Daedalus (echolyn) newsletter and Brett Kull explains why
Tom and Chris left. They were tired of getting dicked by the label. They
finished all the "As the World" songs and were waiting for it to be released
by Sony. Also, soon after they finished the songs, Tom and Chris were
changing in their musical interests. Brett reminices the days when they
would be locked in the studio and finish a song and be excited about it.
Those inspiring days are over now that Tom and Chris left. I don't think
that Chris Buzby was the driving force of the band; I think the all band
members had a chemistry that made echolyn what it was. Just by reading the
Gardener's Guide to As the World, you could see that there hearts were
really into making great music. "The Meaning and the Moment" has to be my
all time favorite song. That song and "Velveteen Rabbit" has put tears into
my eyes. (sorry for the sob story)
The rest of the band is releasing Still very soon, but I have a feeling this
won't be remotely echolyn.
> lemur voice is playing in europe. i spoke to marcel yestrerday,
>and there's a chance of a nice prog tour coming to europe soon (featuing
>a few magna carta bands, lemur voice included).
>
> shadow gallery lives 2 hours from me, so if they pkay, they
>better play locally.
Peter Renfro was trying to get them to play ProgDay '96, but I think he
couldn't get through the band. He also was trying to get DT to play, but
didn't have time to get the contact info. Peter says he would love to have
them come. Thanks to my lobbying efforts and D-man's help, the might be
coming to this year's festival. Just wishful thinking for now. I'm trying
to egg on Peter to at least get a prog-metal band to play this year.
As for Savatage, they only played hometown (Tampa, FL) twice after DWD, and
went straight for Japan. That should indicate the success the have in the
states.
Walter.
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:03:28 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeff Stewart <stewaj01@condor.stcloud.msus.edu>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Geoff Tate on Politically Incorrect
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970403205950.14712A-100000@condor.stcloud.msus.edu>
Hey Jammers,
The TV Guide for Minnesota (this is the national TV Guide that
everyone can get at the checkout lane in your favorite grocery store) has
Geoff Tate listed to be the guest on PI on ABC April 4. Set your VCRs
boys and girls!
Jeff Stewart
remo@dreamt.org
stewaj01@condor.stcloud.msus.edu
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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 19:00:15 PST
From: "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: compound meters
Message-ID: <199704040300.TAA25270@f12.hotmail.com>
>Actually, I disagree. Sure, 9/8 is nine eighth notes per measure, but by
>definition of compound meter 9/8 is divided into three beats per measure
>with the beat subdivided most easily into multiples of three. By
>definition of simple meter, 5/4 is divided into five beats per measure
>with the beat subdivided most easily into multiples of two. It would be
>more accurate to call it alternating bars of 4/4 and 5/4 or 4/8 and 5/8.
>I know it is transcribed in the I&W book at 9/8, but this is where JP and
>I would disagree, I guess. :) That just proves that you can call it what
>you want. Take it to your local music theorist and after a listen I'm
>sure he/she would tell you it's alternating 4 and 5--not 9.
DISCLAIRER: This is not a flame, just clearing up something :)
9/8 by definition means:
9 beats per measure
8th note gets one beat
while three groups of three (like a swing 3/4)is the most common, it is not the
only subdivision of 9/8. Another very common subdivision is 4/4 + 1/8. I have
seen this not only in prog, but in classical music as well. A good example is
the intro to Voices. Even 4/4 doesn't have to be counted as four even groups. In
latin music it is commonly divided into two groups of three 8th notes and a
group of two 8th notes. Flamenco music is often in two groups of three 8th notes
followed by three groups of two 8th notes. This can by counted in 6/8, 3/4, or
by alternating the two. I'm rambling now so I'll stop. The part in question can
be counted either way, use whatever works best for you, but Petrucci's
transciption of it isn't wrong (even though a lot of stuff in that book is :) he
just counts it differently than you.
kevin hammer
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 22:09:42 -0500
From: Elliott Kim <ekim@gate.net>
To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The coolest DT-related thing happened to me today...
Message-ID: <199704040309.WAA194022@osceola.gate.net>
It's been a particularly stressful week for me, being that one of my
co-workers is on vacation and I'm picking up the slack and I got into a huge
fight with someone I wish was my girlfriend. Gee, fat chance of that
happening now...
So I've reached my breaking point. I stop by the local music store and find
an Ibanez JPM100 P2 in the original, "primary colors" color scheme. I knew
I had to do it... I apply for financing and get
approved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The bank may own it, but I still get to play it. :)
Okay, back to playing my new JPM100. Damn, that feels good to say - "*My*
new JPM100."
-- Elliott Kim -- ekim@gate.net -- e-man@dreamt.org --
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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 19:17:39 PST
From: "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: compound meters
Message-ID: <199704040317.TAA21832@f11.hotmail.com>
>Actually, I disagree. Sure, 9/8 is nine eighth notes per measure, but by
>definition of compound meter 9/8 is divided into three beats per measure
>with the beat subdivided most easily into multiples of three. By
>definition of simple meter, 5/4 is divided into five beats per measure
>with the beat subdivided most easily into multiples of two. It would be
>more accurate to call it alternating bars of 4/4 and 5/4 or 4/8 and 5/8.
>I know it is transcribed in the I&W book at 9/8, but this is where JP and
>I would disagree, I guess. :) That just proves that you can call it what
>you want. Take it to your local music theorist and after a listen I'm
>sure he/she would tell you it's alternating 4 and 5--not 9.
DISCLAIRER: This is not a flame, just clearing up something :)
9/8 by definition means:
9 beats per measure
8th note gets one beat
while three groups of three (like a swing 3/4)is the most common, it is not the
only subdivision of 9/8. Another very common subdivision is 4/4 + 1/8. I have
seen this not only in prog, but in classical music as well. A good example is
the intro to Voices. Even 4/4 doesn't have to be counted as four even groups. In
latin music it is commonly divided into two groups of three 8th notes and a
group of two 8th notes. Flamenco music is often in two groups of three 8th notes
followed by three groups of two 8th notes. This can by counted in 6/8, 3/4, or
by alternating the two. I'm rambling now so I'll stop. The part in question can
be counted either way, use whatever works best for you, but Petrucci's
transciption of it isn't wrong (even though a lot of stuff in that book is :) he
just counts it differently than you.
kevin hammer
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 22:23:18 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: When will I see them live ?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970403221752.11840B-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Walter Semerenko wrote:
> I just got the new Daedalus (echolyn) newsletter and Brett Kull explains why
> Tom and Chris left. They were tired of getting dicked by the label. They
> finished all the "As the World" songs and were waiting for it to be released
> by Sony. Also, soon after they finished the songs, Tom and Chris were
> changing in their musical interests. Brett reminices the days when they
> would be locked in the studio and finish a song and be excited about it.
> Those inspiring days are over now that Tom and Chris left.
According to Chris, that's not the whole story. I forget precisely why
Tom left, but Chris left because the other three were changing their
musical directions, and Chris didn't want to change. Basically, one of
the guys played Chris a grunge song he had written, under the pretense of
it becoming an echolyn song. Chris said, "That's not what echolyn is,"
and left after some discussion.
> I don't think
> that Chris Buzby was the driving force of the band; I think the all band
> members had a chemistry that made echolyn what it was. Just by reading the
Oh, be careful about that one. I've had the chance now to hear Chris
(with Finneus Gauge, live) and the other three (as echolyn, but really as
Still, on the Tull tribute). Chris *was* echolyn, plain and simple. FG's
music (though not the lyrics) is almost like As The World II. Still, on
the other hand, has become a guitar band, almost veering off into that
grey area labeled with the g word. Not that that's bad - I happen to like
some grun - er, some of that music, but what Still is sure as shit isn't
what echolyn was. FG is *far* closer to what echolyn was.
> The rest of the band is releasing Still very soon, but I have a feeling this
> won't be remotely echolyn.
You're right about that.
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Date: 03 Apr 97 14:52:36 -0800
From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: VH and inanity
Message-ID: <199704040328.TAA21337@mailsun3-fddi.us.oracle.com>
Uh-oh... I will be calm about this..
Randall wrote:
>I can say with assurance why I find VH to really
be a mediocre band: their lyrics suck, and so does most of the music (Why
do they need to do so many covers??).
Many of the lyrics suck. I will give you that. It brings to mind something=
I
remember from an interview with EVH - the reporter asked him what his
mother/parents thought about some of the lyrics in their songs (this was
Dave-era), and Eddie said something like "What lyrics? I don't listen to th=
e
fucking lyrics!".. I think you have to give Dave a little credit - he has a=
certain cleverness about word choice and phrasing in some of his lyric
writing. But he is not pretending to be deep, just having a good time.
"and so does most of the music" - well, you are entitled to an opinion,
however: Since you mentioned why they need to do so many covers, I don't thi=
nk
you've really heard all of the music. The Diver Down album had quite a few
=
covers on it, most done *reluctantly* by EVH. However, I can't think of a
single cover song from 1984, 5150, OU812 ("A Apolitical Blues" ?), FUCK, or
=
Balance. Those are the latest *five* albums.
The Digital Man wrote:
>Van Halen has never wanted to be anything but what
they have been. VH is a party band. Big fat grooves, kickin' guitar
work, songs that anyone can sing along to, music that you can't sit still
listening to. "Intelligence & morality" was never something VH aspired
to, ever.
I couldn't agree more! And couldn't have said it better..
Randall:
>I don't
think VH could ever match the EXTREME musical range, "More than Words" to
"Rest in Peace".
I don't think VH has or will match Extreme's range either, nor do they want
=
to. VH is the most hard driving party rock band in history, and much of
Extreme's music (which is excellent!) is derivative of VH.
>EVH is a very good guitarist. He'd
just be better doing it with someone & somewhere else.
Why? He writes all the music anyway, it's not like he is being manipulated =
or
controlled by anyone. In fact, I think his situation is pretty ideal - even=
has his own studio. Talk about freedom to do what you want with music! IMO=
,
EVH is the most original and easily-identifiable rock guitarist in history.
=
Concerning Gary, the rumors are ridiculous and unfounded. The band is in th=
e
studio right now working on new material. I personally can't wait to see wh=
at
comes of this new collaboration. Gary is a fantastic singer and has assured=
fans that he wants to give the old Dave material some proper treatment in th=
e
live show. He has a fantastic attitude.
cheers,
-Neil.
"It's not really a talent. It's an obsession. I'm obsessed with music. I'm
selfish. I'm a sick fuck." -Edward Van Halen, June 1984
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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 22:01:07 -0600
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Neegwog
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970404040107.00a54a84@enteract.com>
>From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
>Subject: Bombay Vindaloo
>This song was originally released on the Guitar's Practicing
>Musicians CD Volume 2, along with Fates Warning's "At Fates
>Finger(s)" and other cool stuff.
*BZZZZZZZZZZZT* Try again!
No... BV was on volume three. That's part of why I bought it.
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 22:11:36 -0600
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970404041136.00a57294@enteract.com>
>From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
>Subject: oops
>In my last post I said that "Bombay Vindaloo" was on Volume
>2 of the GPM series; it is not. It is on Volume 3. For
>some reason the two blended in my mind....
>
>I apologize for my mistake.
And I, for my speedy correction.
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 23:20:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@BGNet.bgsu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: HITNF Charting
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.970403231438.19702A-100000@falcon.bgsu.edu>
On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Mark Hatch-Miller wrote:
> I dont think HitNF COULD debut at #1 on the rock charts, because
> Aerosmith's "9 Lives" is selling like hot cakes, is rock, and is the #1
> album right now.
In the latest Entertainment weekly, it says that sales is below
expectations for Nine Lives: it sold under 140,000 copies its first week,
well below the 300,000-plus first-week figures for the new U2 and Live.
Also, I think the Notorious B.I'G.'s album (I know it's not rock) was the
highest selling new album the week HitNF came out, so it wouldn't have
been as easy to debut back in the days of Empire or Promised Land.
> Living in the Limelight would be way cool. Green has always been my
> favorite color.
The remastered version will be cooler. Digitially enhanced green is even
better ;)
Sincerely,
G. Jack Thetgyi
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 23:37:55 -0500 (EST)
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Warrior Soul
Message-ID: <970403233619_1816669997@emout13.mail.aol.com>
Hey!
Damn fookin straight about Warrior Soul kickin' some major ass! "Last Decade
Dead Century" is just plain awesome!!! If you're lookin' for a good album,
give this on a listen! Bye!
- Matt T.
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 00:04:53 -0500
From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2417
Message-ID: <v01530500af6a3a665b57@[207.79.6.172]>
>well, i picked up Iced Earth's first self titled debut tonite.. finally
>found this sucker, 8 bucks used.. its nice to have in the collection but was
>very different.. they're far from what they were even on night of the storm
>rider. i'd say the main letdown is the emotionless vocals.. just putrid..
>the songwriting is pretty good, a few instrumental tracks, one all acoustic,
>very nice.
This was my first exposure to the band, and I listened to it 6 or 7 times
in a row that night, about 4 years ago. I had never liked music that heavy
until I heard these boys play. I hated "Night of the Stormrider" the first
time I heard it, because I was expecting more of the first album. Later it
became an all time fave. I think that it isn't a band's change in style
that upsets us, but rather we come to expect a certain sound and don't
always get it. **** Still haven't heard their latest two.
J.Keifling
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