YTSEJAM Digest 2470
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2468
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
2) Bela Fleck/DMB
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
3) STRATOVARIUS FAN CLUB
by Terhi Sinikka Keskitalo <ketesi@cc.jyu.fi>
4) Re: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected
by merlin@castlegate.net (Merlin)
5) STRATOVARIUS FAN CLUB!
by Terhi Sinikka Keskitalo <ketesi@cc.jyu.fi>
6) Touring rumors
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
7) Derek Striani...
by "Mike Patrick" <meatrick@iquest.net>
8) Signs of life...
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
9) Your door is a jar
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
10) Review: Dream Theater -> Munich, Germany
by Jason Breitweg <breitweg@zeusa1.desy.de>
11) Superior on a soundtrack?
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
12) Progressive
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
13) hair farmers?
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:35:37 -0700
From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2468
Message-ID: <33565159.7BB9@dreamt.org>
> Okay, so if Pantera is doing Ozzfest, then who is touring with
> Megadeth this summer? Remember the Megadeth/Dream Theater tour rumor?
> Hmmm...What about Megadeth/Queensryche? Jus' some thoughts.
Well, Ozzfest is over in June, so if Deth and Pantera are supposed to
tour together, they still can for the summer.
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"Are you gonna bark all day, little -----
doggie, or are you gonna ---- ------------- ----
bite?"-Micheal Madsen, ---- - ----
Reservoir Dogs -- - - - - - - - --
"Just victims of the in-house - - - - - - -
drive-by. They say jump, - - -- - -- - -
you say 'How high?"-Rage -- - - - - - - - --
Against The Machine ---- - - - ----
later--------------Brian ---- ------------- ----
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:55:03 -0700
From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bela Fleck/DMB
Message-ID: <335655E7.7358@dreamt.org>
> Does anybody else think that Bela Fleck and the Flecktones are an
> instrumental version of the Dave Matthews Band. "At last we meet again"
> (off of 3 flew over the cuckoo's nest) sounds a lot like DMB.
Well, DMB does have their jazz influences, but not really. That's funny
you say that, being that the two are touring together this summer.
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"Are you gonna bark all day, little -----
doggie, or are you gonna ---- ------------- ----
bite?"-Micheal Madsen, ---- - ----
Reservoir Dogs -- - - - - - - - --
"Just victims of the in-house - - - - - - -
drive-by. They say jump, - - -- - -- - -
you say 'How high?"-Rage -- - - - - - - - --
Against The Machine ---- - - - ----
later--------------Brian ---- ------------- ----
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:13:34 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Terhi Sinikka Keskitalo <ketesi@cc.jyu.fi>
To: angra-l@parasite.cena.usp.br
Subject: STRATOVARIUS FAN CLUB
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970417165725.22670A-100000@kanto.cc.jyu.fi>
Hello! I'm Terhi and I'm in charge of Stratovarius Fan Club.
We are creating the fan club so everything is pretty new for us, for now.
:) Anyways, we have a good start!
To be a member, send 20$ to us.
And what will you get..->
*club pass
*newsletters
*club-magazine (twice a year)
(which includes information, reviews, spotlights, analysis and stuff)
*stickers
*pics
*photos
*autographs
*etc.
You can also send questions you want to be answered!
If you find some reviews or something in your local magazines, send some
to us and we'll release something in our club-magazines)
If you have some stories about Stratovarius, send them to us. :)
Stratovarius fan club members will also be free to meet each other in your
own countries or cities. We can send possibly some stuff for this kind of
meetings! Maybe it's possible to have some Stratovarius player(s) as
visitors!
There may be possible to have an IRC session with Stratovarius guys (or
some of them) in the future, too!
In fan club magazines there will also be some questions, puzzles and
so forth. By answering you'll be able to win some Stratovarius stuff!
Some of you may even get to meet Stratovarius guys on backstage!
For more information, email:
Take care,
Terhi
p.s. Visions will be released on 28th April! I have been listening to it
and I can say it's cool. It goes on the same trend they had on Episode.
I recommend it warmly!
Terhi Sinikka Keskitalo * ketesi@tukki.jyu.fi
University of Jyvaskyla * Dept. of Musicology
My Life Is Fire And Ice * (YJM)
http://www.jyu.fi/~ketesi
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:14:10 -0400
From: merlin@castlegate.net (Merlin)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected
Message-ID: <19970417151640556.AAA152@lynette.castlegate.net>
To whom it may concern -
Carl Oehler still wants to be on the mailing list, Please do not delete
from the list. I sent a change of email request to you but the mail is
still going to this email address. Please send mail to
steph@castlegate.net
Thank you.
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> From: ytsejam@ax.com
> To: merlin@castlegate.net
> Cc: ytsejam-owner@ax.com
> Subject: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected
> Date: Wednesday, April 16, 1997 9:59 AM
>
> Your posting to list YTSEJAM was rejected.
> Reason: message size limit exceeded (maximum allowed: 10000 bytes)
> The first few lines of your message are included herein for reference:
>
> Don't know how or why I got on this mailing list but please delete me.
>
> merlin@castlegate.net
>
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> > From: ytsejam@ax.com
> > To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
> > Subject: YTSEJAM digest 2463
> > Date: Tuesday, April 15, 1997 9:57 PM
> >
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:17:29 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Terhi Sinikka Keskitalo <ketesi@cc.jyu.fi>
To: angra-l@parasite.cena.usp.br
Subject: STRATOVARIUS FAN CLUB!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970417171516.25894B-100000@kanto.cc.jyu.fi>
Oh yes.. The address to Stratovarius Fan Club is:
Stratovarius
P.O. BOX 145
00531 Helsinki
Finland
:-)
And one more thing.. Stratovarius will be playing in Brazil next summer..
Tour in Europe will be next autumn..
Terhi
Terhi Sinikka Keskitalo * ketesi@kanto.cc.jyu.fi
University of Jyvaskyla * Dept. of Musicology
My Life Is Fire And Ice * (YJM)
http://www.jyu.fi/~ketesi
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:23:21 -0700
From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Touring rumors
Message-ID: <199704171422.AA14174@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello,
Vince wrote:
>Okay, so if Pantera is doing Ozzfest, then who is touring with
>Megadeth this summer? Remember the Megadeth/Dream Theater tour rumor?
>Hmmm...What about Megadeth/Queensryche? Jus' some thoughts.
MD/QR is impossible, the QR tour starts before MD's album comes out. And if any of DT's
members saw the flame war that began with the idea of a DT/MD tour, I don't think they'd
chance losing all those dedicated fans. :P Besides, that Ratlhead guy would throw a
fit! :) Either of those combos would be killer though. I'd personally like to see
Megadeth and Saigon Kick (gee, wonder why? :P). But Dave, please: NO KORN!!!
-- Andrew Forcier List Manager - Saigon Kick Mailing List andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:43:29 -0000 From: "Mike Patrick" <meatrick@iquest.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Derek Striani... Message-ID: <199704171442.HAA17828@odin.ax.com>
>take a look at Derek on the back of the ACOS cd..... >does he not look like a trashed-out Joe Satriani? >Like maybe Satch after a hard day of >kicking YET MORE ass in the world of music?
No, no, no. Have you ever seen Derek and Dave Navarro of the Chili Peppers in the same room together? No? Case closed.
Mike mepatrick@iquest.net
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:50:44 -0700 From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Signs of life... Message-ID: <199704171449.AA16265@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello,
>>From: srhargra@students.wisc.edu (Steven R. Hargraves) >>To: skadz@dreamt.org >>Subject: asdf >> >>You don't have the BALLS to kick me off the list!
>Wanna bet?
>Skadz
You mean to tell me this guy actually listened to Pat?! ;-) I practically pissed myself when I saw this! For those of you at work, don't you hate when something is just far too funny on the jam and you start laughing at the computer screen. Makes me feel like a psycho. No wait, those voices in my head make me feel like a psycho. Oh, and nice to see that you're alive and well Skadz... Now how about giving me some advice on how to run a mailing list. :-)
-- Andrew Forcier List Manager - Saigon Kick Mailing List andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:49:44 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Your door is a jar Message-ID: <33563888.1388@mailstorm.dot.gov>
>> BEN & JERRY'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Would B&J's be considered progressive Ice Cream? Is soft-serve really just Ice Cream that sold out?
> Strange how people will buy an album cuz they think they can score > with the chick in the video if they do. :)
Imagine, if you will, an Erotomania video with Alicia in it. Perhaps it's a way to get the listener to hang in there for a song that's over 3 minutes :)
I saw the following on another *music* list and just had to post it here (w/o permission) for my sick friends :)
> Here's a fun thing to do while you're sitting in a stall in a public > restroom: Try to determine, by humming, the exact frequency at which your > stall resonates. Raise and lower your pitch until you find it; just a > quiet hum will do it. You'll be amazed at how much sound you can get from > a faint hum. (I once accidentally farted at this key frequency and > couldn't hear for a week afterwards, and I think it slightly bent the > hinges on the stall door.) Once you find the pitch, other pitches in the > harmonic sequence will usually work. Try up or down an octave, a fifth, or > a major third.
> Have fun!
Unless you're in an adjacent stall :)
> No offense to women, homosexual men, or anyone whose diet consists of strictly > semisolid, gamete-containing fluids produced in male reproductive organs.
:)
I heard a rumor that Korg is coming out with a new line of reproductive organs. The web site doesn't mention the name of the organs, but a few come to mind...
And speaking of organs:
> Yeah, her and Rod Stewart. Another Urban Myth. (Although, my friend works in > a studio in L.A. and says Rod used to draw penises on the studio walls.)
I rememebr, in an old National Lampoon, an ad for a Rod concert. The mic he was, uh, holding - practically in his mouth - was shaped like Mr. Happy and had quite a leak...
> From: "Patrick
> During the breaks between the songs he wouldn't stop playing and John > P. would come in and they just jammed away.
The tour for the new album is gonna be fun!
*------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*
I believe that what I'm feeling Changes how the world appears - Rush
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 97 16:44:24 +0200 From: Jason Breitweg <breitweg@zeusa1.desy.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com, gatenb@mail.mankato.msus.edu, 100105.1073@compuserve.com, Subject: Review: Dream Theater -> Munich, Germany Message-ID: <9704171444.AA10516@zeusa1.desy.de>
Headliner: Dream Theater Opening Act: Enchant Date: April 11, 1997 Venue: Babylon -> Muenchen, Germany Attendance: 1500 (this is what I was told the capacity was at least, and the thing was sold out!)
Review by Jason Breitweg (breitweg@amzeus.desy.de)
So after a good nights sleep after the Nuernberg show (except for those damn loud pigeons) we headed for the next DT show in Muenchen. Muenchen (otherwise known as Munich) is pretty cool. Nice pedestrian area with cool shops and many America fast food places. We were right at home *laugh*.
After getting a little bored with drinking vast amounts of beer and eating sausages I thought we should head over to the Babylon where the show was tonight. After dragging Doug away from his beer we made our way there.
Though it is called the Babylon is has Star Trek pictures painted on the outside of it. When we arrived (about 2 hours early) there were only 5 people there. So tonight it looked like we were going to be in the front row after all!
We saw some of the guys from Enchant coming and going from the place. They said hi to us, recognizing us from the previous night. The 2 hours went slow because of the huge wind storm that had started. But I met some people from the Nuernberg show. Even a young lady from Japan! Now that is devotion!
So the doors opened at 6:30pm and we were let into the foyer. Enchant's sound check was still going on so they didn't let us into the hall yet. So we stood there chatting with a couple of women from Nuernberg.
At this point the beer caught up with Doug and he had to go to the bathroom. Of course at this point they let us into the hall. Forgetting about friendship and such I ran in and got a place on the front barrier half way between Derek and the center of the stage. Everyone had tried to crowd in in front of John but this one fine by me. And this was a great place to hold my Ytsejam banner up at.
Finally Doug came in and pushed his way up by me and also Keith showed up. So we were all set. Of course I had to give a few swift sharp elbows to the two bitches behind us that were trying to push me out of the way. Music came first tonight not those wannabe fans!
So Enchant hit the stage at 7pm. The set list was different from in Nuernberg. And they played a new song called "Blind sided" I think. It rocked! Man, I have to get one of their CDs! Again they only played 40 minutes but the crowd was still very enthuiastic. Of course I think we were cheering the most.
Then we had to wait about 20-30 minutes and then started "The Rooster" by Alice in Chains. Of course you know what this means. At this point I was going crazy. I think people just thought I like AiC or something *grin*.
The damn bitches were pushing on me some more. But no way there were moving me. I don't care if Derek would like to see them more than me *laugh*.
Right in front of me was a security guard but he didn't care if I held up my banner or anything. So I just had to choose my time right for the maximum effect!
The set list was the same as in Neurnberg:
ACOS 1 & 2 Mirror Lie Burning My Soul The Killing Hand Just Let Me Breathe Caught in Alice's Nine Inch Tool Garden Peruvian Skies Pull Me Under Lines in the Sand Take Away My Pain ACOS 4 Ytsejam Learning To Live ACOS 6
Enore: Metropolis I
Lets see...what were some of the highlights. After Lie James was kind of walking near where I was and getting ready for the next tune. So at this point I held up the Ytsejam banner. James sees it and gets a smile on his face and says "cool, let me see that". So I hand it up to him. I think at this point time kind of slowed down for me *grin*.
James kinds of spreads the banner out to take a look for himself. Getting the nod of approval he holds it up for the whole crowd to see *grin*! Hey I got some applause from the crowd. At this point Mike remarks "Hey, from the back it says Majesty!". James then procedes to try and hang the banner on the drum set but the thing wouldn't stay put (in Bonn we shall get some tape!). So he threw it back to me and they went into "Burning My Soul".
During this song I was singing the whole thing. Don't ask me how I knew the song so well *evil grin*. After the song Mike points down at me and mouths the sentence "How do you know the words? You were singing them all.". I just gave him my innocent grin and a little shrug *chuckle*. Nice to see that he is watching the crowd.
The rst of the show up to "Learning to Live" went great. Near the end of LtL I glanced at Mike and saw that he only had one drum stick in his hand. And he proceded to bang his right hand against one of his toms. I thought that he might have a cramp or something. Then he picked up another stick and started to play.
He was in obvious pain at this point and threw his sticks in the air and said. "Fuck it, I can't play" and walked behind Derek's racks. Well the rest of the band kept playing although it is damn hard without Mike to keep the time. So for about 40 seconds we had the no drum version of LtL. All the while Mike was walking back and forth rubbing his right hand.
Finally he comes back on and just plays bass drums for a bit. To keep everyone in time. Then he grabs two sticks and continues playing. Even with the look of intense pain on his face they finished the song.
Of course Derek fucked up on the ending again. Missing the whole part where he was supposed to play. He just gave an "I sorry guys" look to JP before they went right into ACOS. During ACOS JP looks up at Mike and Mike says "I can't play anymore". But the show must go on.
After ACOS James goes to slap Mike's hand (what the hell was he thinking). And Mike pulls back his right hand and gives him a high five with his left.
Then they actually came back and did Metro. I was quite suprised at this considering the obvious pain Mike was in. When they came out after Metro to take their bows Mike had his hand in a bucket of ice (of course the bucket had the Jagermeister logo on it *grin*).
All in all a great show. Same instruments as I described for the Nuernberg show. And the same merchandise.
I saw some of the guys from Enchant outside afterwards. And went to the DT bus but someone told me there weren't going to come out because of the long ride to Milan. Plus I knew Mike would be hurting so I didn't want to bug them. So we left and hung out in some bars until we took the train back to Hamburg.
I guess I will just have to bring the banner to Bonn for the last show. I must get them to sign it. I have a spot on the wall ready for it now *grin*.
Jason
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:12:46 -0400 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Superior on a soundtrack? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970417111246.0099cea0@pophost.fore.com>
Last night I saw a TV ad for the movie soundtrack to "The Saint". The ad kept flashing the names of the bands who appear on the soundtrack, and 2/3 of the way through, I saw SUPERIOR flash on the screen. Is this Bernd's band? If it is, congratulations for getting on a movie soundtrack. If not, tough luck - and don't try to play in the states under that name.
KAI
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:18:54 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Progressive Message-ID: <33563F5E.1F74@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: Adam
> I understand what you're saying....it sounds like you're talking, primarily, > about arrangement ideas.
Yup!
> Now, a question: Are we speaking of length? Of number of distinct musical parts? > How complex those parts are? How many stylistic switches one makes? I'd argue > that all of those go into a meaningful definition of progressive,
Certainly there are *parts* of a song which can be progressive, without the whole song necessarily being so. And still not take the progressiveness of it. A part that comes to mind is in "La Villa Strangiato." Not sure of the time index, but somewhere towards the end, Neil is going nuts on the bass and snare and Geddy is doing a run which modulates.
I don't think a certain quantity of the above is needed. I refer, again, back to that brilliant example: ACoS. Try playing the acoustic intro part during the section "I remember a time" or during the part right before where JP is on electric. Rhythmically, it's fairly straghtforward to make it fit like a glove. You can see the how the melody line has, for lack of a better word, progressed from one section to the next when set against the original line.
> But I also did have a somewhat well-known knock-down drag-out on the old a.m.p > with a few folks who were arguing both that Rush isn't progressive and that Rush > isn't any good, anyhow, so who gives a shit?
The dis-believers will *take* a shit when.....Adam KICKS ASS!!
> AND, essentially, requires a phenomenal amount of technical facility. A band > like Weather Report is VERY progressive, but they play a kind of music that's > fairly progressive at its root. Brand X just seems a little more fusion-sounding > than progressive, as such, to me....and they generally get tagged as "progressive" > probably because of all the projects that the band remembers have done OUTSIDE of > Brand X. Go figure....
That and they tend to lean a little more towards the jazz side of fusion, but the musicianship is first rate. Check out the song "Access to Data" (can't remember the album, perhaps Is There Anything About? or Masques).
Regards,
Jon
*------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*
I believe that what I'm feeling Changes how the world appears - Rush
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:21:32 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: hair farmers? Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970417082124.006c6bbc@cats.ucsc.edu>
What the heck is wrong with long hair? I remember fondly the days of the YJLHB!
(Ytse Jam Long Haired Brotherhood for the recently subscribed or those of poor memory)
Anyone else remember the day when whatshisname (was it hairball?) cut his hair off and there was a great many posts mourning his loss of locks.
Sigh.
__ /\ __ __\/__\/__ ~Chris \_||_/ /__||__\ http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ // \ | \\ \|
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