YTSEJAM Digest 2473
Today's Topics:
1) man I feel dumb
by "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2455
by luis vargas <vargas20@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
3) Yanni
by Glover <glover@dns.thewebcorp.com>
4) Re: Lightbulbs...
by eckie@asu.edu
5) The Adam Barnhart CD Game
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
6) Image stuff, other stuff...
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
7) Kiss the Stone
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
8) Re: Image
by 2112 <belhai@drew.edu>
9) long hair/image?
by Steffen Barabasch <sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
10) appearance
by "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com>
11) Re: hair metal
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
12) J e l l - o!
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
13) QR Live in Tokyo vid
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
14) Dream Stoner
by "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com>
15) Uhhh... Tubes... NDTC
by vanzin@dks.com.br
16) Re: hair metal
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
17) Don't give the award just yet...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
18) Light Bulbs (again?)
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
19) Say the deed, pay. Not a fragility, but a sardonic smile.
by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
20) Superior "The Saint"?
by Joe Wright <jrwee@gator.net>
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:25:51 -0400
From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: man I feel dumb
Message-ID: <199704172227.SAA28148@zork.tiac.net>
Just thought I'd respond to my own post...
> Hey,
> I just thought I'd spoil anybody's hopes for a Megadeth/Queensryche tour.
> In a 1991 interview for the Clash of the Titans tour in Guitar World
> magazine he was asked who he thought the worst band in metal was, and he
> said Queensryche was "fag-yuppie metal". I don't think that means he's
> looking forward to touring with them :)
>
> Adam
HE being Dave Mustaine. Forgot the initial noun before the pro-noun, good
thing I'm taking Honors English :)
Adam
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:49:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: luis vargas <vargas20@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2455
Message-ID: <199704172249.SAA07168@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
Deja f**kin' vu. I can't believe everyone let this crap go
untouched for so long. Usually, opinions of this sort get butchered within
hours...not to mention followed by endless hate-mail. Yours truly has
learned his lesson well, it's time for this dolt to learn his...
If *YOU* think No Doubt's songs are so simplistic (that you can write
them in your sleep), I'd sure as s**t like to see you LIST the chords (all
28 or so- verse, pre-chorus, chorus, & bridge) to 'Don't Speak',
consecutatively, right here...
If "you" don't respond within a week, I'll list them myself, followed
of course by a few "opinions" of my own...
Good f**kin' luck..and don't forget to start w/ the right key
" Cynical F**K...ain't nothing but a
Cynical F**K...don't wannabe a
all you need is love"
Extreme (R.I.P)
198?-1996
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:52:51 -0500
From: Glover <glover@dns.thewebcorp.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yanni
Message-ID: <3356B7D3.6E39@dns.thewebcorp.com>
I have been hearing a lot about Yanni's Live At The Acropolis album on
the jam lately. I just want to add that I recommend this album to
anybody who likes music period. Also, if you like this, you would
probably like John Tesh's Live At Red Rocks album, or the video which is
even better. Public Television also shows John Tesh's Avalon Concert
every once and awhile and it is incredible. They also show the video
footage form Live At the Acropolis which you can buy. It's got a few
more songs than the album and some backstage footage and interviews.
-C. Glover
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:17:20 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Lightbulbs...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970417161705.25293B-100000@general5.asu.edu>
> Hey guys, I missed that lighbulb joke the first 6 times, could someone
> please post it again?
Me too.
~Eckie
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:33:49 -0500
From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
To: Tiger Woods <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Adam Barnhart CD Game
Message-ID: <3356B35D.531E@auburn.net>
> Five Gratuitous CD's:
> =====================
> 1. Rush: Rush
> 2. Led Zeppelin: Houses of the Holy
> 3. Dream Theater: Live at the Marquee
> 4. Dar Williams: Mortal City
> 5. Metallica: Load
> Adam D. Barnhart
Dammit! Another 4/5! I've scored zillions of 3's, several 4's (this was
the third this week), but I've never managed the elusive 5. Maybe I
should buy some more CD's....Adam, if 5 Zappa CD's ever make their way
into your player at the same time, I'll be a winner!
Mark Peters
swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:33:32 +1000
From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Image stuff, other stuff...
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970418093332.006a68f0@powerup.com.au>
Re: all that stuff about DT maybe having to change their image etc.
Two words: Spice Boys.
Think about it... :) James can be the rich one, Mike can be the tough one,
they can start a whole story about how they lived together for years, even
though Derek only joined a couple of years ago. Who cares about details?
The teenybopping public will buy anything the publicists tell them.
--- Re: DT in EuropeEurope Shmeurope! I want DT in Oz!!
Be buggered if I knew who'd open for them though... it'd have to be an unknown Australian band... I can't think of any relatively successful Oz bands who could play with them... --- On a different note... my news of the week...
I now have a grand total of 3 Fates Warning cds...
I got my first I Mother Earth cd, Scenery and Fish. Very good...
I saw a second hand Queensryche video, Live in Tokyo, from The Warning days. Anyone know anything about it? I probably won't buy it because I don't really want old second hand grotty videos in my VCR...
I think that's about all this week.
See yis!!
Love Spiff
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 19:45:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> To: "Ytsejam Inc, Distributor of Fine Flamewars" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Kiss the Stone Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970417194014.19658A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
Two questions/comments:
1) For you wanting to order from them. I ordered 5 discs total (2 double discs, and 1 single), and they took my order. I think that counts as a 5 disk limit to them...at least as it seems to me.
2) How long did it take for y'all of you who have ordered from them to get your stuff? Please reply to this one by email, hate to interrupt a run of those kewl rad light bulb jokes. :)
-jeremy
+=====================================================================+ # grad student, Boston U. # "Some people fly, and some of us worry # # Boston, MA 02134 # I'd risk it all to have wings # # Astronomy # I know if I try, I'll get where I'm going # #<*> Jeremy Hallum <*># keeping my eyes on the sky" # #<*> jhallum@bu.edu <*># -Queensryche, "Some people Fly" # #<*>jhallum@dreamt.org <*># http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ # +=====================================================================+
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 19:50:55 -0500 (EST) From: 2112 <belhai@drew.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Image Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.970417194823.711438672B-100000@drew.edu>
On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Eric Rodger wrote:
> It doesn't matter what DT looks like. Even if they looked like Oasis, > mainstream audiences wouldn't buy their records. I don't understand what > all of the negative hype is about. If DT changed their image to be more > 90's, I certainly would respect them a lot less.
I thought you just said that it doesn't matter what DT lloks like. If they looked like a 90s grunge band, but still wrote songs with the DT trademark, it wouldn't matter what they looked like. Only when the music was compromised would I say that I respect them less.
Brandon
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 00:47:07 +0100 From: Steffen Barabasch <sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: long hair/image? Message-ID: <yam7047.366.1460995496@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
Hi!
Just saw this thread. No problem with DT's long hairs. Actually I love them for that, just because they don't jump on the bandwagon like everyone else.
Ok, maybe I'm biased because I also have long hair, but it's always like "hey, this is the nineties, let's cut our hair" - and then they sound like shit. Just remember how Metallica's sound changed after they shortened their hair. Or Queensryche's. Soundgarden's. Or everyone else's.
Does anybody seriously think that people would start to buy DT albums if they cut their hair? You also have to cut your brain and musical taste to become successful nowadays...
Steffen
-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steffen Barabasch - THE MIRROR TheMirror@westend.com Deutscher Dream Theater Fanclub http://www.westend.com/TheMirror -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:32:37 PDT From: "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: appearance Message-ID: <199704180032.RAA03941@f7.hotmail.com>
>insignificant (in the grand scheme of things) as their appearance, if it >meant that US mainstream audiences started buying more of their stuff? I >honestly don't care (and I don't think you do, either) what they *wear*. >I didn't buy I&W because of their pictures. >
Ok, heres a story,
My Senior year in highschool I was on a marching band trip. We stopped to eat, and I saw a CD shop nearby. Some of us went in and we started looking at what they had. One of the cool things about this place was that they would let you listen to anything there before buying. At this time I had never heard of Dream Theater. I saw the Awake CD and thought "hey, cool cover" and went on looking. A little while later, I still hadn't found anything that I liked so I decided to try the one with the "cool cover". Before I heard it I could guess by the artwork that this would probably be more like something I would like, because it didn't look like the "artwork" on a Weezer or Green Day CD. I listened to a little of each track, and decided to buy it. I only know of two people in my hometown who listened to DT before I got that CD, and they weren't real big fans, and when I got to colledge, none of my friends there were big DT fans either, so if it wasn't for the "cool" artwork on the CD cover, I would probably have never heard of Dream Theater. just something to think about :), kevin hammer
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 19:27:25 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: hair metal Message-ID: <199704180126.SAA26352@odin.ax.com>
> To me this is one of the main reasons DT hasn't made it big yet > is because of the way they look. Here on the jam what's most > important to us is music, but a lot of people judge a book by it's > cover, so to speak. You look at the pics of the band and it screams
Sadly this is true, too. When are people gonna learn that in order to make good music, you have to have long hair? If you don't grow your hair long, you can't write. It's impossible. Please open your Music Theory Textbook to Chapter Four, section VII, and read up on the Thriving Follicle Postulate, Theorum 9.8 (or was it 4.4 - 5.4?) > I think if I saw James LaBrie smile I'd fall over right on the spot. > If you've seen the I & W vhs then you know these guys are closet > comedians, I just wish they'd lighten up a little in their band photos.
No, look at Myung. He always seems to be philosophizing something, pondering Longfellow or Clint Black or something... :)
> bands like TON and Marilyn Manson are so much better... And to top > it all off, he said this: "Dream Theater has only one gimmick going > for them, which is their 80's long hair."... I just laughed at this > fool's ignorance.
See? See? What'd I tell you? No band shots better be in the upcoming videos! I think they oughtta do a kewl clamation like Tool or a Mind's Eye trippy weird computer animated one. That'd be kewl. :) WTF, though? Doesn't Marilyn Manson have long hair? He looks like a reject from "The Crow" if you ask me. :)
Personally, I think they oughtta wear fire hydrants on their heads and sit on stuffed barnyard animals while they play. Mebbe get some organic clothing made of twigs and leaves and stuff while James makes soft warbling and chirping noises not unlike a Dove. Mike needs to play guitar, JP needs to play drums, JM the keys, and derek the bass. Then and ONLY then will they have what it takes to sell albums. Think of the novelty. People would by that in a second. Besides, people would buy the album cuz they'd think the band is just another chick band like L7 and they might score with the lead singer. :) (Sorry, guys.:)
"Idle hands are the Devil's advocate. Keep busy thine hands and forbid the Devil into thy lustful desires!" --Bishop Maynard on the subject of self arrousal. "KorgX3" ibanez@cyberhighway.net http://www.cyberhighway.net/~ibanez
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:37:39 -0500 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: J e l l - o! Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970418013739.00761e24@mail.inlink.com>
>Personally, I think they oughtta wear fire hydrants on their heads >and sit on stuffed barnyard animals while they play.
hell, why dont they just wear upside down jello molds on their head and "CEEEEEEEEEEERACK THAT WHIP!!" =) ~Rip
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:22:48 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: QR Live in Tokyo vid Message-ID: <19970417.182334.8686.3.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
If you find it GET IT! It's been Looooooooong out of print and I think it's a great show.
Scott *************************************************************************** I'm afraid of Americans; I'm afraid of the world. I'm afraid I can't help it; I'm afraid I can't. ***************************************************************************
>I saw a second hand Queensryche video, Live in Tokyo, from The Warning >days. Anyone know anything about it? I probably won't buy it because >I don't really want old second hand grotty videos in my VCR...
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 22:02:10 -0400 From: "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dream Stoner Message-ID: <3356D622.6B6E@net1plus.com>
> At the show in the Melkweg in Amsterdam, I think Derek was stoned as a > monkey.
What do you guys think about this statement? I doubt the rest of the band would let him get away with that, even if it is legal to smoke dope in Amsterdam (or so I've been told). I just know that if I found out that DT toked up before going on, I'd be very dissapointed. (Although that does explain the spacey intro to Lines In The Sand!)
-Jon Dery
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 22:33:26 -0300 From: vanzin@dks.com.br To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Uhhh... Tubes... NDTC Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.17.4.17.-10.33.26.2579404677.666217@dks.com.br>
Hi there,
In that post about my Marshall, read "tubes" instead of "valves". I really hate translating things. :P
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 22:51:54 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: hair metal Message-ID: <19970417.195253.8686.7.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
>Personally, I think they oughtta wear fire hydrants on their heads >and sit on stuffed barnyard animals while they play.
Then they'd have to change their name to Dream-vo. }:-)
"Are we not men? We are Dream-vo!"
Scott
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 23:23:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Don't give the award just yet... Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970417232040.3152A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
Wedge wrote:
>> >>You don't have the BALLS to kick me off the list! >> >Wanna bet? >> >Skadz >> >> You mean to tell me this guy actually listened to Pat?! ;-) I >=20 >*ding* *ding* *ding* Congratulations, Andrew! You win the "I was >suckered by Gabbo" award for 1997! Now, pay no attention to those guys >with the fire hoses over there. Look <pointing up> a dead bird!
Don't jump the gun there, Chris, it's only April, there's still a good 8 months for someone to snatch the title. :)
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 23:47:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Light Bulbs (again?) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970417233937.21740A-100000@comp>
Hmmm...
Just a quick comment on the light bulb subject: it's actually rather amusing if you look at how the post is fulfilling itself, even though there was no light bulb even changed in the first place (barring the guy who _claimed_ he fixed it, of course). I think the two numbers I saw were like 1331 and 784? We've got to be up to a good 20-30 posts on light bulbs so far, and it's barely even gotten started.
Course, I just added more fuel to the fire I suppose... [insert favorite Monty Python scene involving Knights of (formerly) Ni here].
DrX.
PS: Just so this isn't totally worthless... I got a disc from a band called Nevermore a week or two ago. 'Politics of Ecstasy' sounds quite a bit like the one Sanctuary disc I have (hmm.. wonder if it has anything to do with them having the singer and another band member _from_ Sanctuary... nah, probably not). Anyway, it's decent stuff if you like your music loud and fast with the evil death metal _vocals_ as opposed to the growling death metal style. Maybe similar to Death with vocals instead of growls? I dunno... not bad, but maybe I just haven't been in this sort of mood recently.
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 00:18:09 +0000 From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Say the deed, pay. Not a fragility, but a sardonic smile. Message-ID: <3356BDC1.AAA@sprynet.com>
Howdy there gang!
A few quick comments on some things:
About a week ago I read about some people seeing T-Ride's CD. Let me reinterate - if you see this CD, LET ME KNOW!!!! thanks.
I picked up the new Dokken CD, "ShadowLife." Having grown to really enjoy "Dysfunctional," I had decent expectations for this. Hmmmmm..... Still don't know. I really don't care for the production of this one. It's kind of a "alterna" mix I guess. I mean, I played a little of it to some friends and they said the first song sounded like TOOL! Imagine that, Dokken sounding like TOOL! Some may compare it to Queensryche's new one (which I like a lot). George Lynch has some killer solos in odd places on here too. Lyrically it's a mixed bag. I suck at reviews. Sorry. Overall, there are some good songs, a couple not good, production isn't for my tastes, and has some neat stuff too....A try before you buy. Not as good as "DYS" IMO.
Strapping Young Lad....heheheheh...neat stuff there! Just pure hate/rage/aggression/psychoticness. Pretty cool...if you are in a constant state of hate(and I like it).
I'm anxiously awaiting the new Conception and Threshold CDS. ANy thoughts on the new Conception?
Check out my webpage and see a demonic picture of me! (it's not really a music page, but it does have some DTC and other stuff relating to prog, but for the most part it is a pretty psychotic personal page. check it out!) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/2553
later Phillip Cool CD of the day: Queensryche "Hear in the Now Frontier" which reminds me of a funny quote my friend said the other day: "It's like JFK, Jr. going out and f**king a prostitute. He could do better."- in reference to the new ryche(which he HATES and we were discussing whether or not they "soldout").
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 00:19:42 -0700 From: Joe Wright <jrwee@gator.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Superior "The Saint"? Message-ID: <3357208E.4554@gator.net>
Hey fellow jammers! I was just watching TV the other night and I saw something ..well strange to say the least. I saw a comercial for the soundtrack for the movie "The Saint". The names of all these bands began flashing on the screen, and to my amazement SUPERIOR flashes up. I have seen this twice now, and its driving me crazy. Hey, Bernd is this you guys or just some other band with the same name? Ok, maybe it's just me. But at least I'm not talkin' about how crappy Florida is. I mean, 75% of the population here is older than 65, DAMN Q-TIPS!!!!!! Anyway, if anyone knows please let me know.
by the way just got Superior (fuckin' Rocks!!)from Knights of the Round, and it only took a week and a half to get here. Pretty fast, I thought. -- The Joser jrwee@gator.net !!Gators Rule Noles Bite!! http://members.aol.com/mindscap/
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