YTSEJAM Digest 2475
Today's Topics:
1) err
by Chris Daley <cdaley@gmu.edu>
2)
by the-atman@juno.com (d a v)
3) Pink Floyd - NDTC
by al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso)
4) RE: Symphony X
by Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
5) Here's a good idea for Bernd
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
6) If a lightbulb goes on for a second, then off, and no one is there to notice...
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
7) Other Prog Newsgroups
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2468
by Michael Lafser <mlafser@mail.win.org>
9) *** Jon Finn Group ***
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2474
by Michael Lafser <mlafser@mail.win.org>
11) ASCII and Ye Shall Receive
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
12) OZZFEST UPDATE
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
13) Re: THE COUNTDOWN IS ON!
by 2112 <belhai@drew.edu>
14) Comments...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
15) Re: OZZFEST UPDATE
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
16) Re: Superior in 'The Saint'
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
17) Re: and now your host.. Big swifty!!
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
18) Symphony X/Divine Wings of Tragedy-NDTC
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:48:18 -0400
From: Chris Daley <cdaley@gmu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: ripzero@dreamt.org, ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net
Subject: err
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970418104818.0068ea74@mason.gmu.edu>
>>Personally, I think they oughtta wear fire hydrants on their heads
>>and sit on stuffed barnyard animals while they play.
>
>hell, why dont they just wear upside down jello molds on their head and
>"CEEEEEEEEEEERACK THAT WHIP!!"
>=)
> ~Rip
Can we say Primus???
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:48:49 -0500
From: the-atman@juno.com (d a v)
To: ytsejam@ax.com, rob500@juno.com, DearAbbe@juno.com, kansas@traveller.com,
Message-ID: <19970418.094850.12238.2.the-atman@juno.com>
"on a winters night,
the stars are cold and bright in the sky,
the slumber of the earth is pure and deep"
Lamplight Symphony
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:08:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Pink Floyd - NDTC
Message-ID: <199704181508.LAA28631@osfn.org>
Sorry about this non-relevant post, but I have looked for information
pertaining to a new album by Floyd.. I found none.. can soemone give me an
update?
-- Strangers passing in the street, by chance Two seperate glances meet and I am you and What I see is me... - Pink Floyd------------------------------
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 00:20:28 +0900 From: Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: Symphony X Message-ID: <199704181520.AAA17139@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp>
Well, I got tell ya something. Here's their official URL (organized by their record co.) You can check their 3 albums (all of 'em) and download soundfile (AIFF format)
http://www.zero-mvp.com/art/SYM.html
Visit and Get 'em.
Thanks. -Keiji Nishihara Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp tq0139@mail4.doshisha.ac.jp
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:19:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Here's a good idea for Bernd Message-ID: <199704181519.LAA07616@umbc9.umbc.edu>
How about if Superior (the prog-metal edition) comes over to the US and does a tour. Everyone will be expecting the other grungy-Superior so they will show up at the venues ready to see a nice bunch of winey teenagers in flannel but instead will get knocked off of their collective asses by Bernd and Company. Good idea, eh?
Get "Behind" if you haven't done so already. Hmmm... that reminds me, I'm gettin *behind* in my studies. hehe
Does anyone know what's up with the DT shirts? Can I still get a US version of the Fix shirts? PLEASE HELP!!!
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:34:23 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: If a lightbulb goes on for a second, then off, and no one is there to notice... Message-ID: <3357947F.640D@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: Rip
> if people are serious on this list, i bet we could put this plan into > action. we just need someone to take control and handle the collection, > but i would donate in a second, as i'm sure many others would.
I'll do it!!!! I have a plan so y'all don't have to *chip* in that much :)
Send all forms of money to:
JP Room #2112 Foxwoods Resorts And Casino Connecticut
Oh, by the way, the plan CAN'T FAIL!
Seriously, I don't think it was an issue of JP not being proud of the material. What I read from it was that he didn't want to go back to the stuff he'd done when he was a kid. That's all...
We can learn from the past, but those days are gone.
> What d'ya think? If we all pitched in a $20, do you think they'd do it?
Probably not. They're moving forward and the fun part is the uncertainty about what's next...
> From: The :)
> and it would have been JLB on Politically Incorrect a couple weeks back > instead of Tate.
And the show would have had an actual pulse!
> Just some points to ponder...
HEY! You keep them damn religious threads OFF the jam, buddy!
Regards,
Jon
*------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*
I believe that what I'm feeling Changes how the world appears - Rush
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 11:51:31 EDT From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Other Prog Newsgroups Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+uUtJnA@tcx.tcco.com>
Are there newsgroups for some of the other bands that we talk about here? (Savatage, Shadow Gallery, Angra, etc...)
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:25:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Lafser <mlafser@mail.win.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2468 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970418112242.6750B-100000@winc0>
yes L Jason the new SYL "city" rocks he does scream a lot but he sings more on this one some groovy little tunes i think the first one is a little noiser gotta love his sense of humor tho oh and for everyone who cares excuse me for my lack of grammar and punctuation i guess i forgot this is an english paper or something whats it matter? everyone can still understand what im saying! (most of the time anyway)
me
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:39:42 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: *** Jon Finn Group *** Message-ID: <3357A3CE.26AB@mailstorm.dot.gov>
I finally saw Jon Finn Group last night at the Berklee Performance Centah. Now I knew I was going to see 3 proficient musicians, but I wasn't sure what kind of a concert to expect as I'd only heard some samples from
http://www.tiac.net/users/jonfinn/
The concert explored at least Classical, Jazz, Rock and Blues.
This guy has some serious chops, folks!!! He was all over the place while, at the same time, being completely in sync with the tune. The bass player and drummer, as well as Jon, are on the faculty at Berklee. Nuff said? I think not...
They played some heavier stuff for the first couple of tunes, all progressive and all with plenty of insane shredding and rhythm changes that forced you to pay attention! Then they got into some rather intense stuff that I'd say was in the relam of fusion, but they'd go to each extreme of both jazz and rock.
Jon had to re-tune several times between songs joking about changing strings right before the concert and the lack of a locking trem. It was a musician thing :) He has great stage presence! Made the audience feel right at home (even though it WAS HOME for most of the students in the audience :)
The bass player has a new disc out. Jon mentions being fortunate enough to play on a couple of tracks. He urges the audience to be on the lookout for this disc. I must agree. All you bass players out there, GET IT. I couldn't tell what brand of bass it was, but it had a buttload of strings on it :)
The drummer was out of his fucking mind! He had one bass drum but with one of those double pedal rigs with the second pedal near the high hat. And with a 750-holley double pumper set of legs, he'd be playing it sometimes along with the high-hat. What an incredible sense of rhythm this guy has!! He made so much come out of a simple kit; and equally important, so little come out on a couple of the slower pieces.
Oh yeah, he had another gig later that night :)
After a few more songs, Jon introduces a fellow musician (sorry, forgot his name) who sits down at the piano and does a beautiful piece entitled "Precious Things" as the bassist and drummer leave the stage for a break. The guy is not in the band but is quite talented enough to stay on stage for the rest of the show! And he does :)
There's a song they're doing which features the piano heavily (you listening Damon? <grin> ) and Jon just looks over to the guy and non-verbally indicates that he should keep the solo going for a little longer. Love it!!
He moved over to stage-left to the synthesizer setup and tore it up with the band for the remaining songs. He and Jon are trading off soloing on a song "The Fib" and just shredding the crap out of the instrument.
The following is *my impression*, so don't you guitarists get too upset at it :) It sometimes appeared that Jon was actually pissed off at the instrument. He was just attacking the damn thing from every possible angle! Looked like he was thinking "Come on, Ibanez, is this all this fucking piece of wood and wires can do?" I sensed that there was so much music inside of this guy's soul waiting to come out but it was trapped due to an inherent limitation of the instrument itself.
And he blew me away with the myriad of sounds that did come out of it!
I urge anyone who has the means, to catch this group. Whether you're a serious musician or a serious shred enthusiast, the Jon Finn Group will not disappoint.
Can you tell I enjoyed the concert?
Regards,
Jon
*------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*
I believe that what I'm feeling Changes how the world appears - Rush
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:47:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Lafser <mlafser@mail.win.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2474 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970418114256.6750C-100000@winc0>
ok everyone NONONONONO DREAMTHEATER should NOT change their image! music is music and someone who bases what music they like on appearance probaly wouldnt like dreamtheater anyway many bands do just fine without mtv i mean good god! look at SLAYER! cant remember the last time i saw them on mtv its dedicated fans that boost the real bands up, not some stupid cheesy video crap why the hell would someone want JP to look like Kurt Cobain? anyone who wants to say one band or type of music is better than another by the way they look can die and rot in hell everyone should dress the way they want to, and besides, you can never make everyone happy so its pointless to try i dont care how many ppl like DT, as long as they write good music, and that goes for every band i like and one last thing, i do read every one of these digest things until later
me
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:54:08 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ASCII and Ye Shall Receive Message-ID: <199704181654.JAA19073@main.cfmc.com>
>From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net> >To: Tiger Woods <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: The Adam Barnhart CD Game >Message-ID: <3356B35D.531E@auburn.net> > >> Five Gratuitous CD's: >> ===================== >> 1. Rush: Rush >> 2. Led Zeppelin: Houses of the Holy >> 3. Dream Theater: Live at the Marquee >> 4. Dar Williams: Mortal City >> 5. Metallica: Load > >> Adam D. Barnhart > >Dammit! Another 4/5! I've scored zillions of 3's, several 4's (this was >the third this week), but I've never managed the elusive 5. Maybe I >should buy some more CD's....Adam, if 5 Zappa CD's ever make their way >into your player at the same time, I'll be a winner!
Uno momento....
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Frank Zappa: Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch 2. Frank Zappa: Baby Snakes 3. Frank Zappa: Sheik Yerbouti 4. Frank Zappa: Stairway To Heaven/Bolero 5. Frank Zappa: One Size Fits All
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:05:32 -0700 From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: OZZFEST UPDATE Message-ID: <199704181704.AA25459@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello, I wouldn't keep cluttering the Jam, but I know a lot of people care. They started giving out wristbands yesterday for the NJ Ozzfest shows. That's all for now. Tix go on sale 4/19/97 at 9AM. Be there 30 mins ahead to get in line according to wristband number. Did I mention I hate TicketBastard cuz I was all set to sleep out for this? TM SUCKS!!!!
-- Andrew Forcier List Manager - Saigon Kick Mailing List andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:07:11 -0500 (EST) From: 2112 <belhai@drew.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: THE COUNTDOWN IS ON! Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.970418130644.711501018A-100000@drew.edu>
> YAHH!! What a massive waste of bandwidth!!
And time.
Brandon
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:08:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Comments... Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970418125456.4674A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
About the Pleasant Shade of Grey thing the Doc posted... It's intereting to see how something like that will be taken by the list. Everyone got the exact same thing, and everyone on this list complains about the waste of bandwidth we get on here. Just watch, the FW fans (like myself) will smile and scroll, and the people that don't like FW (yet) are going to post about the waste of bandwidth. :)
>From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> >Subject: all right Pat... > > Merlo just informed me how you duped me (and some others) into >believing that message was Skadz, and I have to say I'm upset!! Upset of > course that I didn't think of it first... DOH! Aw, it's still funny >anyway...
Yeah, I'm upset too! That thoughless bastard gave away my secret! Ok, Chris, I want Duke Nukem Atomic back! :)
>>Don't jump the gun there, Chris, it's only April, there's still a good 8 >>months for someone to snatch the title. :) > >I will not trust Pat's posts. .. >Just picture the chalkboard at the beginning of The Simpsons. :-) >Methinks I'll start getting in ack mode to save myself from being shamed >like this... Aw hell, I'd still shame myself somehow!
Man, you make it sound like I killed your best friend! :) I was just providing some comic relief to lighten (no bulb pun intended) things up around here. Now buy a damn t-shirt before I kick your ass! :)
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality2 Design | | c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
PS, after months of watching my posts get screwed up, I've decided to change the "squared" symbol in Reality Squared Design to a 2 in the hopes that I'll stop getting those =20 things.
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:38:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: OZZFEST UPDATE Message-ID: <199704181837.LAA05220@odin.ax.com>
> > Hello, > I wouldn't keep cluttering the Jam, but I know a lot of people > care. They started giving out wristbands yesterday for the NJ Ozzfest > shows. That's all for now. Tix go on sale 4/19/97 at 9AM. Be there 30 > mins ahead to get in line according to wristband number. > Did I mention I hate TicketBastard cuz I was all set to sleep out > for this? TM SUCKS!!!!
By the way, I heard today that although Marilyn Manson was slated for the Giants Stadium show, GS has decided to ban them.........so apparently, they won't be there......
I know a lot of people will say "Fuck Yeah!", but I still think that it's a sad state of affairs that acts be banned from venues or states (I know that White Zombie has had similar situations as well).......goes to show you that the best option still is to move off this planet altogether... remember, I still have first dibs!
-Al
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 11:49:26 PST8 From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Superior in 'The Saint' Message-ID: <9703188613.AA861389796@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>Just to inform you... NO, this is not us, who did that soundtrack. >There seems to be another band called Superior and we already >try to get rid of this. Bernd, Just a silly suggestion... if you guys really do hold the rights to the name Superior, I would wait and see if these guys get popular or not. If they do become a big name and start raking in money... Then go in for the kill! hehe... Might get some coverage on eMpTyV news or something out of it (and be able to make some more money off of the band as well... <BG>>...... ~Mike
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 11:45:35 PST8 From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: and now your host.. Big swifty!! Message-ID: <9703188613.AA861389793@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>I think it would be cool if a band just ceased to be seen publicly. No >pictures anywhere, no appearances in the videos.. just the music. Live >concerts would be just a black stage and in between songs you could hear >them walking around and talking but unable to see a thing. then after the >show they disappear out the back door. a totally anonymous band. I guess it >would make a good gimmick. Well, I think that the bay area band The Residents have always been that way... THey are only shown in public wearing (usually) large eyeballs on their heads. I don't think they have ever disclosed who they really are... I knew a guy in high school who was really into these guys (girls?) but I don't think he ever found out who they were... ~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com / mkizer@goodnet.com / fugazi@weirdness.com URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer Dream Theater Song Book -^- Fates Warning Island in the Stream
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:44:24 -0500 From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com> To: "'Ytsejam@ax.com'" <Ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Symphony X/Divine Wings of Tragedy-NDTC Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/001F0E46@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>
I just received my copy of SX's DWT from Knights of the Round. Although it took 3-4 weeks, it did get here, unlike Dream Disc, where I cancelled my order. Price was good, $24, including shipping.
I'm on my first listen, so no final opinions yet, although it sounds quite good (subdued volume, as I'm listening at work). For the fellow J'Yammer who said the beginning/bridge section of DWT (the song) sounds like 'Mars' from Holst's 'The Planets', it definitely does. Besides ELP's (Powell, not Palmer) version on 'Welcome Back', this riff is also used in the beginning of one of the songs on 'tage's HotMK (or EoT?).
-Randall email: Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com **"I'm looking California and feeling Minnesota" from "Outshined" by Soundgarden**
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