YTSEJAM Digest 2484
Today's Topics:
1) as far as happiness is concerned...
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
2) FATES WARNING
by "Michael Kohsiek" <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>
3) Review: DT -> Bonn, Germany
by Jason Breitweg <breitweg@zeusa1.desy.de>
4) Fates! Fates! Fates!
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
5) 60 vs. 74 minutes:
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
6)
by LoneWolf <e8825527@student.tuwien.ac.at>
7) Re: Chicken jokes
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
8) Progressive Radio Show -- NEED IDEAS!
by Anthony <AKOZAR@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
9) Re: Image/Zappa ((WARNING: Excessive use of parentheses!))
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
10) song list.
by EricD91011@aol.com
11) Re: DT remix cd?
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
12) Who is this band:
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
13) "Take Away My Ytsejam"
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:58:00 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: as far as happiness is concerned...
Message-ID: <199704211212.PAA04966@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>
> if they are happy the way they are there is
> no reason to change
Change is a constant motion. There is, however, no point in turning
stagnant once you think that sufficient amount of happiness has been
acquired.
You've gotta get a clue. Progressive music is about changing, in all
respects.
Do not click here to continue.
Raitz
Be reasonable --
demand the impossible!
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:19:08 100
From: "Michael Kohsiek" <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FATES WARNING
Message-ID: <D15BA6FD1@jurs1.jura.uni-osnabrueck.de>
Hi Dream - Heads!
This is my first time on the YTSE - Jam Mailinglist.
So, the only thing I have to say is:
THE ALBUM OF THE YEAR IS CALLED " A PLEASANT SHADE OF GRAY " and it's
from FATES WARNING!!
I really can say that, 'cause I'm in the good situation of being a
writer for a german fanzine called "That's It!" and I have the new
Fates' CD for about five weeks.
I hear it every day! I hear it in my walkman! I hear it in the
evening when I'm lying in bed and the first thing I do when I wake up
is: hearing the album.
It's a masterpiece, a killer-album, the best progressive-thing I've
heard since the release of "Images & Words".
I don't know if my second alltime-favorite band (SAVATAGE9 can top
this album!
Jim Matheos has carved his name in stone with that (to use the words
by Shadow Gallery...)...
CHECK IT OUT!!!!
Greetings,
Michael
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 97 15:42:06 +0200
From: Jason Breitweg <breitweg@zeusa1.desy.de>
To: gatenb@mail.mankato.msus.edu, 100105.1073@compuserve.com,
Subject: Review: DT -> Bonn, Germany
Message-ID: <9704211342.AA21994@zeusa1.desy.de>
Headliner: Dream Theater
Opening Act: Enchant
Date: April 19, 1997
Venue: Biskuithalle -> Bonn, Germany
Attendance: 2000 (I think someone mentioned that this was the capacity
of this place. But it was bigger than the Forum or
Babylon at any rate.)
Review by Jason Breitweg (breitweg@amzeus.desy.de)
The four hour train ride from Hamburg to Bonn was uneventful. Damn
train made too much noise and had too many stops though! At the train
station we were met by my friend Joerg and some of his friends from
Kaiserslautern. Kinda surprised me actually, but a good surprise.
Then my friend Doug and I went to lunch at a traditional America
place, namely Pizza Hut. Good stuffed crust pizza and garlic bread.
While coming out of Pizza Hut we ran into another friend of mine. I
think I know too many people *grin*. We then got a ride from them to
the Biskuithalle where DT was going to play.
Even though we were two hours or more early there were a lot of people
there already. I think it was because this was the most Northern show
in all of Germany. So people from everywhere came to see it.
I saw a lot of people from the previous two shows I was at. Like a
little family by now *laugh*. Hello to Steffen and Denis by the way.
Well the doors of the place opened at something very early like
6:15pm. So I rushed in and got a place in the second row in front of
where JP would stand. Of course I had my banner that made its first
appearance in Muenchen *grin*.
Enchant came on stage at 6:45pm! Even earlier then in Muenchen.
Someone told me that Bonn has a 10pm curfew. What a lame town!
Enchant played basically the same set as the two previous shows I
saw. Good stuff overall. Then at the end of thier set they had a
special guest. Mr. Mike Portnoy himself! He played drums along with
the band on Alice in Chains' "Would" or is it "Wood" *chuckle*.
Good stuff. Obviously done because this was the last date on the
tour. Also there was various shit adourning the stage. A plastic
skull and hand. Various toy robots. And a rubber chicken that the lead
singer of Enchant kept choking *evil grin*.
I think that this crowd in Bonn knew Enchant more so then the ones in
Nuernberg or Muenchen. One lady even had a little heart with some
stuff written on it that she gave the band. The singer said "Look
guys, someone like us." Obviously surprised them.
After Enchant left we had some drunks push to the front making the
whole area very very crowded. I could only stand this for about half
the show since it was so damn hot in the place.
Of course DT was in top form again on this night. Basically the same
set list:
ACOS 1 & 2
Mirror
Lie
Burning My Soul
The Killing Hand
Just Let Me Breathe
Caught in Alice's Nine Inch Tool Garden
Peruvian Skies
Pull Me Under
Lines in the Sand
Take Away My Pain
ACOS 4
Ytsejam
Learning To Live
ACOS 6
Enore: Metropolis I
The new songs went over well. I got a big smile from JP when he saw
me singing "Just let me Breathe". And of course it was the special
part about eMpTyV *grin*.
More people yelling from the crowd for songs. And yes James doesn't
seem to know how to handle these people. He kept telling them to keep
drinking and smoking and shut up. He should just ignore them, how
hard could that be?
The singer from Enchant helped with the vocals on CiA9ITG. Not a big
help but he was obviously joyed to be on stage with DT.
I forgot in my previous reviews to mention this one part where Derek
has a solo coming up and Mp points to him and says on his mike "Derek
Sherinian on keys, he wrote this one". Spinal Tap lives *grin*!
Now in the middle of Metro they stopped playing and gave MP a birthday
cake. Had the majesty symbol on it I was told. He took a little
bite and spit it out on the crowd *yum yum*. Then we all sung happy
birthday for Mike (he is the big 30 they said).
Then the guys started taking off their instruments. But wait why is
John Myung handing MP his bass? Hey is the JP climbing behind the
drum kit? Whoah...hold on to that guitar tightly Derek.
MP grabs the mike and says that this is a very new band called
Nightmare Cinema. He then introduced all the guys again. He asked us
if this reminded anyone of Spinal Tap? Whereupon JP screams out
"Hello Cleveland!". Know one seemed to have heard of this movie.
Guess they haven't translated it into German yet. Of course
James isn't talented enough to do anything else so he still had to
sing *chuckle*. They then proceded to play "Perfect Strangers".
Great sound. Derek played all the chords right, no solo though. JP
even did some fills on the kit. MP was basically just running around
hitting the top two strings.
The didn't figure out how to end the song so they basically did a
"Pull Me Under" on it.
Instruments were then exchanged again and the rest of Metro was
played.
A great show, if just for the Nightmare Cinema stuff! I didn't get to
meet the band afterwards. There were too many people out there and we
had to catch a train. Everyone went back to America the night
afterwards I guess. But JP stayed for his clinic tour through Europe.
So 3 DT shows in 8 days. Muenchen was the best. The new material
rocks! I can't wait until the new stuff comes out on CD!
Jason
-- Jason Breitweg --> breitweg@amzeus.desy.de, jbreitwe@hep.physics.wisc.edu http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg, http://lobelia.physics.wisc.edu/jbreitwe "The Gods Made Heavy Metal And It's Never Gonna Die!" - MANOWAR------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:49:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fates! Fates! Fates! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970421093549.12289B-100000@qbert.rs.itd.umich.edu>
mind if i join the chanting, Doc?
about queensryche.....heard "the voice within" on the radio.....is that the next single form HitNF?
About Dream Theater......Mike Bahr sez sumthin' like "they have to do 60 minutes....cause they don't have any songs left they can squeeze in".....does that mean you know WHICH songs would make a single CD cut, Mike?
about genesis: (straight outta left field, i know, but i was lisnin to 'em last night........) did they ever find a new lead singer? Or are Tony and Mike just gonna let it die?
about hockey...... playoffs kick all ice.....by far the best pro sport playoffs (with possible exception of world cup soccer)..........case in point, last night's Oilers_stars game........i watch some of the first, some of the second periods, am bummed out because I want the Oilers....turn it back on, 8 minutes to go in the third, stars still dominating......and then..............POWPOWPOW (pounding in your temple) and the game is tied, and the oilers win it in OT........don't get any better than that........
Partha Sarathi Mukhopadhyay
GO WINGS!
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:00:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 60 vs. 74 minutes: Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.970421085520.2594A-100000@rossby>
To all Dream Theater fans:
Now we're really being picky!!!! Who cares whether it's 60 minutes or 80 minutes. Well, we all do. I know I like long CDs, when they're of high quality. But, let's just get ANY CD out for now. Recall, Images and Words is only 57 minutes and some change. That should be correct....
And Images and Words is by far the favorite CD for the majority of Dream Theater fans. So, what are we complaining about. Perhaps a 60 minute CD will be of higher quality than a 75-80 minute Awake CD? Time will tell....
By the way, once I get a chance this week, I will finish compiling the top 10 favorite CDs from everyone who has submitted to me. I AM STILL ACCEPTING SUBMISSIONS OF YOUR ALL TIME TOP TEN FAVORITE CD LIST. SIMPLY E-MAIL ME DIRECTLY AT : jcase@rossby.ou.edu I HAVE ROUGHLY 34 RESPONSES THE LAST I CHECKED. AT LEAST A PARTIAL LIST OF THE HIGHEST RATED CDS WILL BE POSTED ON MY HOME PAGE WITHIN, SAY, 2 WEEKS TIME MAX!
Home page address: http://rossby.ou.edu/~jcase
Happy CD listening!
-Jon Case
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:34:05 +0000 From: LoneWolf <e8825527@student.tuwien.ac.at> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970421163405.0068a614@stud1.tuwien.ac.at>
Am I still alive ?
Check out http://www.rsabbs.com/dt/whatsnew.html for the latest news on the new album. (April 21st)
In case you're interested, check this: http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e8825527/
"Fuck you all - with Love" (c) LoneWolf
Back to Incommunicado. Wolf.
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:08:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Chicken jokes Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.970421110439.2463A-100000@unix18.andrew.cmu.edu>
I've got one.
This chicken's trying to cross an 8-lane highway. So he starts running along the side of the road, in the same direction as traffic, and eventually there's an opening and he flaps his wings and hops across the first lane. He makes it past the next three in the same way, almost being killed each time. Then he's in the middle, and he discovers that for the next four lanes, traffic is moving in the opposite direction. But he doesn't want to go that way, so he just runs the way he was going down the middle of the road, hoping an opportunity will present itself. He does this for quite some time, but the cars keep coming and they won't slow down for him. So finally he says "the hell with this," flaps his wings, and takes to the sky. Traffic be damned, he's a bird.
-maximilian
Anton Max MadMax+@cmu.edu http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
23 hours.
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:37:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Anthony <AKOZAR@uoft02.utoledo.edu> To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Subject: Progressive Radio Show -- NEED IDEAS! Message-ID: <01IHYRXPYIXU005V57@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
hi ytsejammers
been awhile since i posted and i have a hundred and some odd jam digests to look through yet ...
HOW MANY OF YOU ARE FUCKING PSYCHED ABOUT THE NEW FATES WARNING ALBUM TOMMORROW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???
i am -- can you tell ;)
anyways ... i was writing because there is a good chance that i will be starting my own radio show this saturday and that it will have a progressive format ... i want to play any and all music that seriously pushes (or did push at one time) the boundaries of ordinary rock/metal/pop styles ... of course i will be including ample DT, FW, rush, etc ...
my problem ??? i need a name for the show .... i am thinking that the name should be relevant somehow to a prog band (like lyrics, album name, somthing like that ) ... i have decided that my radio personality will be "the Analog Kid" ....
so if any of you have ideas for a name for my show please write to me or the list .... if you have any other suggestions please email me too ...
thanks!
anthony kozar akozar@uoft02.utoledo
PS> for anyone in the Toledo, OH area and within reception range ... the show will be from 8-10PM on saturdays on WXUT 88.3 FM ....
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:40:01 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Image/Zappa ((WARNING: Excessive use of parentheses!)) Message-ID: <335B8A51.1CFB@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: Pat
> In summary: Music is not visual, it's aural. The only image that > matters is auditory.
I agree for the most part, with the possible exception of The Tubes :) Has anyone ever seen them live. Great music, but to see Fee Waybill come out and get whipped by two dominatrixes (dominatrices? :) while the band is ripping a tune out is truly a multimedia experience I won't ever forget!
> From: Shane
> I have a friend who thinks Frank Zappa was God's Gift to music, and this > friend of mine is someone who I know has some of the best taste in music > of anyone I know. Now what I want to know is A) How good is his stuff? > B) Is it progressive? C) What is the best CD to start out with?
He has so many albums which span 30+ years that it's hard to suggest without knowing more about the particular types of sounds that you're into. Gotta love it, though, sometimes 5 albums out in one year!!!!
Some of my personal favorites from the first 2 decades of FZ, along with some featured artists) are:
ANYTHING WITH "ANYSLEY DUNBAR" ON IT!!!!
Hot Rats (Captain Beefheart) One Size Fits All (George Duke, Chester Thompson, Johnny "Guitar" Watson) Bongo Fury (The Capt, Duke, Bozzio, Thompson) Zoot Allures (Terry Bozzio) Studio Tan (Duke, Thompson, Eddie Jobson!_ Sheik Yerbouti (with Adrian Belew and Terry Bozzio!) Joe's Garage, act 1 (Vinnie Colaiuta). Shut Up 'n' Play Yer Guitar (Jobson, Colaiuta, Bozzio, Jean-Luc Ponty!) Apostrophe (with the immortal "Don't Eat The Yellow Snow")
They certainly have some pretty progressive stuff on 'em. Been a few years, but I believe it's on Sheik, there's a song where Frank absolutely rips the crap out of the guitar. His sense of orchestration was phenominal
Be prepared for some bizzare lyrics, though :) Just some(!) of the song titles are enough!! (Tryin' To Grow A Chin, Nasal Retentive Calliope Music, Prelude To The Afternoon Of A Sexually Aroused Gas Mask, Shove It Right In, Dinah-Moe-Hum, I Promise Not To Come In Your Mouth, Stink Foot, Don't You Ever Wash That Thing?, The Illinois Enema Bandit, Big Leg Emma, Heavy Duty Judy, Pinocchio's Furniture, Hot-Plate Heaven At The Green Hotel, In-A-Gadda-Stravinsky, Zomby Woof, Jesus Thinks You're A Jerk, Baked-Bean Boogie, Lonely Person Devices, The Madison Panty-Sniffing Festival, Titties 'n Beer, Revenge Of The Knick Knack People )
I let other Zappa fans cover the other two decades featuring, among others, Steve Vai and Mike Keneally...
Regards,
*------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*
Some people prefer cupcakes - FZ
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:55:42 -0400 (EDT) From: EricD91011@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: song list. Message-ID: <970421115541_-1133756786@emout14.mail.aol.com>
For those looking for the extra 14 minutes I believe it is possible but from what I gather these songs will be on the CD
Take Away My Pain Just Let Me Breathe Lines in the Sand Trial of Tears Burning My Soul Pervian Skies The Way it Used to Be
Those are the ones I think will show up based on band comments and what not. So you could fit a few more, but these will have to be included. Take the time.
-Eric
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:12:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: DT remix cd? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.970421121006.3805A-100000@unix17.andrew.cmu.edu>
>From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
> >you know, with all the bands doing this remixing things.. you know, like >KMFDM and NIN n stuff.. has anyone thought of what it'd be like to let some >guys go and remix a buncha DT songs in different versions? just imagine >letting some bands and artists like chem lab, coil, terminator x (a la >public enemy) and what not get behind our favorite DT songs and churn them >out in new deminsions. i've always wanted a Hip-Hop version of Lie or an >industrial Voices :) > > ~Rip
I did a remix of Part of the Machine and At Fate's Hands one time. It's kinda cool...threw in a beautiful Bach violin solo by Lara St. John (it's my all-time favourite bach CD...you can find it in the CD store, it's the one with Lara on the cover wearing just a violin). I'm in love with her btw. But that's beside the point, it's a cool remix.
An industrial voices, eh? I'll get right on it.
-maximilian
Anton Max MadMax+@cmu.edu http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:48:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Who is this band: Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970421124555.8528B-100000@bdmserver>
Got this from some mailing list that I somehow got on: The mailing list is the text of the show, Beyond 11 which is a weekly Hard Music broadcast from Southern Ontario's, 97.7.
>NEW BUZZ NOIZE >5) HEAVEN'S CRY > Track: Your God's Crime (Track #1) > Album: Food For Thought Substitute (Hypnotic/Universal) > Time: 5:00 (C) >6) HEAVEN'S CRY > Track: Gaia's Judgement (Track #5) > Album: Food For Thought Substitute (Hypnotic/Universal) > Time: 6:34 (F) >Garnering rave reviews in Europe and Japan, Montreal-based HEAVEN'S CRY are >a progressive-lover's wet dream!
Anyone heard of em? Do they mean progressive like Yes, or progressive (alternative) like pearl jam?
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:56:28 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: "Take Away My Ytsejam" Message-ID: <01BC4E85.A7333860@Bashir.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Slushypip@aol.com said :
> TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST ! ! ! ! !
> TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST ! ! ! ! !
> TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST ! ! ! ! !
Well, third time's a charm :-)
(I want the new DT CD! I want the new DT CD! I want the new DT CD!) _____
Marco Bakker about "Take Away My Pain" :
> I almost feel bad, complaining about a song with such a high > Emotional Impact. But the song really had a too high Kelly > Family feel (except for the solo, and the way it was played, > etc., but you get my point.)
Considering it's obviously a very emotional song for Petrucci, I hated the fact that a lot of people in the audience felt the need to talk and shout stuff. I also think a lot of people got the impression they were in a bar instead of a concert hall...
> Am I the only one who didn't like this song?
Well, I think this is probably the obligatory ballad. I think they have to write songs like that, so that the record company has at least *something* they can release as a single :-)
> Maybe I should hear it more often, a so called 'grower'?
Well, I don't think this is a "classic" in the making, but it will probably grow on you.
> BTW, Lines in the Sand and Peruvian Skies were great; can't > wait till the next album
Those were my two favourites too. _____
KorgX3 said :
> Mike's bald isn't he? I thought we covered this... Don't tell me > I've been snookered, or mebbe he just grew it out fast. I coulda > swore a week or so ago someone said they were shaving him bald...
What makes you think they were talking about his head ? ;-)
Mark ____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__ Would someone please let me know how we _ _____ ___ _ _ __ __ have spun out of control ? |:||_.:._|/:._]|:]_[:|\.\_/./ Has the captain let go of the wheel ? |:| |:| (.:(_ |:___:| \_::/ (Queensryche - Sign of the Times) |_| [_] \___]|_] [_| [__/ _________________________________________________________________________ "What is this, some kind of fucking circus ?" - J. LaBrie (Dream Theater)
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