YTSEJAM Digest 2489
Today's Topics:
1) 60 MINUTES IMPOSSIBLE
by richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James)
2) Re: Got It!
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2484
by DMetrejean@aol.com
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2486
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
5) "Imprints"... (NDTC)
by "Mike Patrick" <meatrick@iquest.net>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2487
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2487
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
8) 'tage's Prelude to Madness-NDTC
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
9) Ozzfest and CiA9ITG
by Kramer <CK78729@ltu.edu>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2484
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
11) Spock's Beard SF show Details
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
12) IV Push
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
13) re: Fate's Warning
by Chip Alexander <tca.sdi@ix.netcom.com>
14) Fates's APSOG
by Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
15) Difficulties of being a prog fan
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
16) Battery/Disaster Area
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
17) Chickenjam, ytsechicken, ytsehen
by michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
18) Re: Chromakey...
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
19) Videos
by dave rieth <degenerated@wwdg.com>
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:17:39 +0500
From: richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 60 MINUTES IMPOSSIBLE
Message-ID: <9704221717.AA13900@jason.qc.ca>
in the last images and words
(fan club magazine)
JL said that "burning my soul","take away my pain" "just let me breathe"
"lines in the sand","peruvian skies" and "trial of tears" will be on the next album
that takes 53:30 minutes and he also said that it will be four more songs
how is gonna take 60 minutes ?
rj
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:26:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Got It!
Message-ID: <199704221726.KAA28989@odin.ax.com>
>
> I went over to BEst Buy to see and hope that they would have APSOG by
> Fates. I went immediately to the F section and I was woorried it didn't
> look promising. I found the Fates section and they had 1 copy of APSOG
> and 1 copy of Chasing Time.
>
The same EXACT thing happened to me about an hour ago....
except for the fact the all there was was the APSoG album
and nothing else.....Fates did have its own bookmark
thingy though.........
First impressions....people shouldn't look at it
automatically as one song.....just sit and
take it in.....maybe it'll come together later ....
Anyway, parts II and 3 don't do anything for me,
part 4 and 5 (which I'm at right now), are FUCKED!
Zonder is driving me nuts right now.....very cool
stuff......only less than halfway throught but
its definitely starting to build.....
I can already tell its not going to be like ACoS, but
I can tell I will enjoy this a lot...
-Al
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:46:45 -0400 (EDT) From: DMetrejean@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2484 Message-ID: <970422134636_-1802797725@emout10.mail.aol.com>
I've tried to get off this list dozens of times, does anyone know the correct address to send e-mail to get off this mailing list?? Please help if you can! My husband put this mailing list on here and it's really backlogging my work and getting really annoying, can anyone help me ?? Thanx, Nikki Metrejean
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:54:55 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2486 Message-ID: <19970422.105601.8686.2.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
>>PRIMUS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>(which means they rule, if you didn't know)
>Is that right? >I've never heard that interpretation before...
As Les Claypool says on "Suck On This:"
"We're Primus, we suck."
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:59:36 -0000 From: "Mike Patrick" <meatrick@iquest.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: "Imprints"... (NDTC) Message-ID: <199704221758.KAA29763@odin.ax.com>
>And I think that it's really important that a song >so long "imprints" immmediatly in your mind.
Lemur Voice does this to me. I love their album, but there are things I like better. Still, when I find myself humming or just having random riffs going through my head, they are ALWAYS little snippets of L.V. Why? I have no idea. All I can say is, Marcel, I WANT MY MIND BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mike mepatrick@iquest.net
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:14:52 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2487 Message-ID: <v01530501af82be67bdf9@[207.79.6.172]>
>Close. Edvard Grieg (1843-1907) was invited by Henrik Ibsen to write the >incidental music for his folk drama, "Peer Gynt." Though the music for >"Peer Gynt" has 22 separate musical numbers, the two suites Grieg created >for concert hall performances are the most familiar ones. "In the Hall of >the Mountain King" is part 4 of the first suite, which also includes the >commonly heard "Anitra's Dance" and "Morning Mood."
Well, I didn't know the wole story, but I do have this performance on cassette.
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:21:03 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2487 Message-ID: <19970422172101.AAA14903@mail.pananet.com>
> >"No, Aunt Slappy, Yes isn't even at this concert...The Band doesn't play >'til later." > "Who's on stage?" >"Yes." > "WHO'S on stage?" >"Yes. Who's on stage." >
You know,I saw that iin Spanish, and it didn't come out that well: "Quien esta tocando?" "Si" "Quien esta tocando?" "Si, Quien esta tocando"
I feel sorry for all the non-english-speaking panamanian kids who didn't get the joke. Poor things... the perils of living in a third world country.
thankyouverymuch Ernie
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:05:26 -0500 From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com> To: "'Ytsejam@ax.com'" <Ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: 'tage's Prelude to Madness-NDTC Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/001F98C1@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>
Quoth 2486...And now on the use of the Gustav Holst Mars riff at the beginning of DWT (the epic piece on the CD). Yes I still think it's there; It's quite distinct. And the 'tage song that uses the same riff is 'Prelude to Madness' on HMK. That 'tage Riff is a classical song by composer Greig, (died in 1908 or something). "Hall of the Mountain King" is the name of it, but 'tage renamed it and gave the subsequent song this title.
Reply...Sorry to rip you on this one, but 'tage DOES use the Gustav Holst Mars riff at the beginning of PtM. The main part of PtM is, however, Grieg's HMK, which is also the title of the following song on HMK.
Grieg's HMK is actually part of his larger 'Peer Gynt' (sp?) composition (opera, I believe?). Rick Wakeman also uses the famous HMK riff on his 'Journey to the Centre of the Earth'. I've also heard the Mars riff in a Metallica piece, but I can't remember which one (on one of the live CDs?).
I'm a fairly well trained layman when it comes to classical music, so it'd hard to get this one by me!
-Randall email: Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com **"I'm looking California and feeling Minnesota" from "Outshined" by Soundgarden**
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:59:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Kramer <CK78729@ltu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ozzfest and CiA9ITG Message-ID: <01II0D35J8W2935IQI@LTU.EDU>
I wanna complain about poor planning for the Ozzfest in Detroit. They sheduled this show at Pine Knob, which I have only been to once, but if memory serves correctly, they can fit about 6K people there. Last year I saw Ozzy alone in Kalamazoo last year, and he sold out the show with about 8K people. Ozzfest is a much bigger event, and it is in a much larger area population-wise, and it gets an even smaller venue. WTF? I woke up early last Saturday so I could tickets. I went to Hudson's because I figured that were wouldn't be as many people there as there would be at Harmony House, and there were only 5 people in front of me. The stupid girl who was running the ticket computer didn't know how to run the damned thing, and by the time she got some help the whole fucking pavilion was sold out. Only lawn was left. I haven't been so pissed in a long time. Same fucking day I was only able to get lawn for the Rush show. So now I'm gonna wait until next Saturday when Chicago tickets go on sale for the Ozzfest. I think it's called the New World Music Theater or something like that. Does anyone know how big this place is? I hope bigger than Pine Knob. Seated shows suck. The best shows are always general admission.
How else is CiaW different from CiA9TG? Someone said it was slower. Does it have the same lyrics? Does it really have an industrial influence? Just curious.
I'm thinking about going to the Steve Morse show at St. Andrew's. Backstage would kick ass. Later
-C#
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:01:45 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2484 Message-ID: <19970422.120219.8686.5.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
On Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:55:44 -0700 (PDT) DMetrejean@aol.com writes:
>I've tried to get off this list dozens of times, does anyone know the >correct address to send e-mail to get off this mailing list?? Please help >if you can!
> Thanx, Nikki Metrejean
Here's what ya do:
Send email to: <ytsejam-request@ax.com> subject <asdf> message <unsubscribe ytsejam>
If that doesn't work send an email to <ytsejam-owner@ax.com> subject <asdf> and explain your problem and someone should be able to help you.
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:17:42 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Spock's Beard SF show Details Message-ID: <19970422.121842.8686.7.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
I've had lots of requests about the SB show so I'm posting this here.
Date: 5/10/97 (sat) Location: Club Kaos Mowry rd & I-880 in Fremont (510) 792-3224
IMPORTANT: Club Kaos is a 21 & over club! ID REQUIRED ^^^^^^^^^^
I just found out the KI$$ show here was cancelled (can't you hear my heart breaking? NOT!) so I'll be going. This'll make a good warm-up for the Rush show at Shoreline the following night.
Scott
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:33:52 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: IV Push Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970421152528.1137D-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
So, I got down to Vibes, the CD shop in Burlington. (Yeah, singular.) Ran to the metal section. No Fates section. Shit, where did it go? So, I asked the counter person, and she found it for me in the hardcore section. Whatever.
I went up to the counter to pay, and said to a different counter person, "You know, this isn't hardcore." He said, "Oh, believe me, I know. I don't know why it was there." I was shocked. "You know Fates?" "Shit yeah. I've had a copy of this for a while now. Love it." I said to him, "You know, I was in here last week to ask if you guys would be carrying this, and no one here knew, or had even heard of Fates." "Doesn't surprise me," he said, with a touch of sadness, and went to turn down the techno-crap that was playing. As I left the store, counter person #1 turned it up again.
So, ok, part IV kicked my skull in. That's amazing shit. Part IX just started. Part XIII sounds incredible - KevMo's at the top of his game. I'm going to listen to this non-stop, probably.
For those of you that haven't heard this yet, and are deciding whether to get it, there are quite a few parts of this that remind me of "Inside Out" (the only other Alder disc I have). This is beautiful stuff. Dark, but beautiful. Joey V kicks ass on the fretless.
The lyrics are intense. "walked alone last night/cold streets of could be anywhere" It doesn't get a whole lot better than this.
OK, later. I gotta go ingest this. -d
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:36:58 -0500 From: Chip Alexander <tca.sdi@ix.netcom.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Fate's Warning Message-ID: <335D135A.19D5@ix.netcom.com>
Brian Hayden wrote:
>On a whim, I looked up Fate's Warning and Fear Factory, cause >I've heard people talk about them. They had Fates "Inside Out" so I >bought it. >I've only listened to it once, but I don't like it that much. It's not >bad, but >kind of boring. What I'm wondering is, is their other stuff better? >What do >other people think of this CD?
Brian-
I agree about Inside Out, in fact I think it completely sucks. My personal favorite of theirs is "Awaken the Guardian". "Spectre Within" also kicks ass. "No Exit" and "Perfect Symmetry" are pretty good - a lot more progressive and less metal-ish then their earlier efforts. I think that I am personally prejudiced against Ray Alder (the singer) 'cause he and I are from the same city (San Antonio), and I remember him from this cheezy local band before he got picked up by Fate's. I guess that's a dumb attitude for me to take - oh well.
Chip
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:44:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fates's APSOG Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970422144102.23154A-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
Just got and listened to new Fates. It is pretty cool. I know it will grow on me much more, though. A 55 minute song is very difficult to digest in merely one listen. I'll listen to it day in and day out if I have to :)
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:03:57 -0400 From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Difficulties of being a prog fan Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970422160357.0069dd6c@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Attempting to find the new Fates Warning today, I got the following reactions/answers:
Blockbuster Music #1: "Sorry, it looks like we didn't order any copies of that." Blockbuster Music #2: "Fates Who?" (after explaining, and spelling, the band name): "Hm. No, I don't show any copies in inventory. Sorry." Camelot Music: "I don't think we'll have that in till the end of the month. You sure today was the release date?" Sam Goody Music: "Never heard of them." (when pressed) "Let me check...*clickety, clickety* We have 'Chasing Time' and 'Parallels.' No 'Pleasant Shade of Gray.' "
Finally went to Best Buy (the farthest away from my house). Looked in the "New Music" section; nothing there. Looked on the "New Releases" board; no mention of FW. Looked in the Rock section -- ONE copy of "Chasing Time." Nothing else.
Getting angry now, I look on the cart I see with tons of new stuff that needs to be shelved. On the bottom shelf, alongside thirty-odd copies of Beck's "Odelay", I see *two* copies of "Pleasant Shade of Gray."
I take it to the counter, and they can't ring it up at first because it hasn't even been entered into the computer yet. (It was 12.00 noon when I went in).
What does it take to get people to recognize prog music as a viable alternative to alternative???? Everywhere I go, everyone I talk to, no one knows what I'm talking about when I mention Lemur Voice, Magellan, Symphony X, Dream Theater, Fates Warning, Nevermore, Angra, Glass Hammer -- the list goes on and on and on. What can we do to get music stores and music resources to pay attention to prog?
Grrr....
Sorry, just got a *teensy* bit frustrated after crisscrossing town looking for one lousy CD. Not that it's lousy -- "Pleasant Shade of Gray" is an excellent disc, from the three or four listens I've given it so far. What's the deal with that damned alarm clock at the end of the disc, though? Very teeth-jarring....
Cheers, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired, gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:18:13 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Battery/Disaster Area Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970422201813.00678a40@ici.net>
>By the way, someone mentioned the Metallica >tribute Battery. Do they still play as Disaster Area too? I saw them a >while back and they were damn good.
Yeah, I think so. I was going to mention their "alter ego", but I couldn't remember the other name. :)
The last time I saw them, they played 2 sets of Metallica stuff and then 3 or 4 original tunes. The original stuff was pretty ballsy.
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:23:25 -0400 From: michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Chickenjam, ytsechicken, ytsehen Message-ID: <199704222021.QAA05964@mail.trincoll.edu>
Uh...guys?
What is this, the chicken jam?
How 'bout some DT content, like how bad-ass TTT is on Mike Bahr's Antiquities disc.
"Alright Los Angeles, let's put our hands together...Don't worry about not looking cool or anything."
Go James!
--Mike Bradley
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 97 13:27:07 PST8 From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Chromakey... Message-ID: <9703228617.AA861741469@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>Hey could some kind Jammer out there either post or send me the lyrics to >the songs on the Chroma Key Demo tape? Lyrics for: All of these lyrics as well as all bu tth enewest DT lyrics are in the Dream Theater "Unofficial" Song Book, available in fine department stores everywhere... hehe, just kidding, here's how to get it: The Dream Theater "Unofficial" Song Book is a complete listing of all Dream Theater lyrics (Official releases, singles, EPs, cover tunes, the Kevin Moore demos, etc.). It is available via the following methods:
WWW: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/dt/dt.htm FTP: www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/dt/dt_sb13.txt
Email from the Ytsejam Mailing List Archive send: get ytsejam dt_songbook Address it to: ytsejam-request@ax.com with a subject of: asdf
If you wish to include links from your web pages, the name of the actual song book file changes with each revision (but I'll let everybody know when that happens). The WWW address for my Dream Theater page will not change (so that's a safe one). Dream Theater page: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/dt/dt.htm ASCII Song Book: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/dt/dt_sb13.txt HTML Song Book: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/dt/dt_sb13.htm
If you can't get a copy using the above methods or have any comments or questions, send me an email at mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com
Enjoy! ~Mike ~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com / mkizer@goodnet.com / fugazi@weirdness.com URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer Dream Theater Song Book -^- Fates Warning Island in the Stream
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:32:30 -0600 From: dave rieth <degenerated@wwdg.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Videos Message-ID: <199704222032.OAA14615@mail.wwdg.com>
Everyone check out my website for bootleg videos
http://members.tripod.com/~degenerated/home.html
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