YTSEJAM Digest 2494
Today's Topics:
1) My CDs, Fates, etc.
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
2) I LOVE IT!!!
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2489
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
4) FATZ
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
5) Yet another FW post..
by Irene Raceu <majesty@voyager.net>
6) APSoG :-))
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
7) FW - Part IX
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
8) APSoG tray liner...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
9) (NDTC)I Mother Earth News....
by "John Fewer" <jfewer@nf.sympatico.ca>
10) Re: This list does...
by me128 student <me128-ba@calcium.ME.Berkeley.EDU>
11) Egad!
by eckie@asu.edu
12) APSoG - a journey longer than the CD itself.
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
13) Live KISS!
by J <breuric@tpgi.com.au>
14) Just a little rant...
by jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
15) open-minded?
by "Dan McCormack" <dmc@dreamt.org>
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 00:18:12 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My CDs, Fates, etc.
Message-ID: <199704230718.AAA25194@goodguy.goodnet.com>
Aw hell... you folks are too much. It's times like these that I
wish I had more time to make interesting and strange posts to the Jam.
Thanks Pat, for the big positive recommendation on my material. I
sincerely hope that everyone enjoys the product I put out. I know I ain't
the _fastest_ CD vendor in business, but y'all gotta admit, I've gotten a
lot better at making the content really count. :)
To those who were wondering what Fates Warning is: About the only
difference between DT and Fates is that Pull Me Under hit it big. And oh
yes, that Fates had a past with a different singer in the metal days. Ray
Alder-style Fates Warning and Dream Theater are so close in form, content,
and talent that they might as well be the same band. Considering Kevin
Moore plays with Fates now, I might be closer to the truth than I think.
:) The only remaining discernible difference is that Fates material is
about 50% creative/neutral and 50% creative/negative, whereas Dream
Theater material is about 50% creative/neutral and 50% positive/hopeful.
Also, please everyone, don't ask about the next DT boot from me. I
already told you all on the web site... it don't get released until after
the next album from DT comes out, because I promised 'em that was the way
it was gonna be. Besides, what if the content changed? I'll say this: if
it was released today, it would be titled "Mosaic" (because I already had
art done for that title: CD art by Senor Glover and cover art by Senor
Brady) and it would contain the WDADU demos, the ODJEDA material (I'm
still keeping you all in the dark about this stuff, and boy is it ever
fun!) and the Necronomicon tracks. That would about fill 70-73 minutes.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 00:27:01 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I LOVE IT!!!
Message-ID: <199704230727.AAA15481@gms.gmsnet.com>
I LOVE IT!!!! Where else can you find this many people who can actually
listen to Fates Warning and say they liked it???
Some killer quotes from my friend who heard APSoG today:
"You have to accept it first before you can like it..."
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 00:38:16 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2489 Message-ID: <199704230738.AAA28410@goodguy.goodnet.com>
A couple replies...
> because I figured that were wouldn't be as many people there as there > would be at Harmony House, and there were only 5 people in front of me. > The stupid girl who was running the ticket computer didn't know how to > run the damned thing, and by the time she got some help the whole
Personally, I think there should be some sort of training or authorization necessary to run the ticketmaster computers. At the one place I've ever found in all my life where the clerk has a fucking clue what he is doing, I've gotten second row center (Rush) and first row center ('Ryche). Competence _does_ make a difference. Somewhere, somehow this must be made known to the ticket-buying public, so that the ticket-vending assholes will get the idea.
> Just got and listened to new Fates. It is pretty cool. I know it will > grow on me much more, though. A 55 minute song is very difficult to > digest in merely one listen. I'll listen to it day in and day out if I > have to :)
I give them ultimate credit just for releasing it. :)
> What does it take to get people to recognize prog music as a viable > alternative to alternative????
Sales. Sad but true.
> X, Dream Theater, Fates Warning, Nevermore, Angra, Glass Hammer -- the list
Add King's X, Galactic Cowboys, etc. Great bands that will get the shaft until the winds of fortune blow their way for a brief while... then after that they will be considered "passe" instead of "underground". I almost look _forward_ to it; by then it will be easier to get tickets. :)
> How 'bout some DT content, like how bad-ass TTT is on Mike Bahr's > Antiquities disc. > > "Alright Los Angeles, let's put our hands together...Don't worry about not > looking cool or anything."
Grin... I hope it doesn't seem too obnoxious that TTT seems to wind up on every single disc I make (or very nearly so). TTT is easily my favourite DT song, by a leap and a bound over ACOS, which is miles ahead of #3 (so far ahead I don't know what #3 even _is_). The positivity, power, intensity, and passion in TTT is IMHO unequaled in DT lore, and ACOS matches the latter three of those criteria. ("I will live on" is nice and hopeful, but it doesn't counter 22 minutes of death and betrayal.) I _do_ think ACOS is the most ambitious DT creation, and probably their greatest accomplishment.
"You can feel the waves coming on, let them destroy you or carry you on. You're fighting the weight of the world, no one can save you this time. Close your eyes, and you'll find all you need in your mind." Hell, I preach this message literally every single day at work as I build and motivate my marketing team to reach their own successes.
Mike Portnoy in particular really rips up the new TTT on TDOW. I don't know what he was on before the gig started, but I don't think I've ever seen so much accented double-kicking in a song. Derek shows a lot of soul in the new recording as well.
On a completely different subject, I hear we have a little celebrating to do! Jim Colberg, esteemed replica-maker of my earliest projects, is about four CDs away from finally breaking even on his initial investment, which he made entirely to help out fellow fans of DT (which is where it's at, if you ask me). He doesn't know I was gonna post this and is probably shitting even now because I mentioned it without asking him first, but I think you all are fantastic for supporting Jim like that. He went the extra mile for you, and now you went the extra mile for him. And now he's got _documentation_ as one of the most reliable net merchants on the 'Jam. At that rate, he could make a career out of even the meager profits that CD-making offers. (IT's smaller than you think folks, believe you me!! and I don't mind because it's something I enjoy being a part of). I think it's safe to say at this point that anything Jim offers that you don't yet have, you should probably buy it from him at your earliest opportunity. Rumour floating about has it that Tim Lodge may soon be offering replicas of other discs I've done, and/or creating his own (yay!) and I think we could make a regular cottage industry of this, as long as we don't step on any bands' toes. Since DT wants us CD people to slow the hell down for awhile (grin), I think maybe some other bands could use a good Jammer-homebrewed boot... such as Fates, GC, and so forth.
Anyway, thanks for reading all my spiel, it must be _terribly_ boring for most of you, who probably don't collect DT discs and couldn't care less about what I do CD-wise. For the rest, a tip: my posts seem a lot funnier if you imagine me speaking them to you with my goofy Arizonan accent. It's not quite southern drawl, not quite coastal airhead, and there's a touch of New Yorker in there because my parents are from Long Island.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 00:49:23 -0700 From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FATZ Message-ID: <199704230749.AAA00193@ms.kallback.com>
I was the only one in line for FW at Tower in Seattle on Tuesday morning at 12:01 am. After the obligatory "How do you spell that?" and "Are you sure it was released today?" he found it and sold it to me for a reasonable $12.99. I had to work graveyard the next eight hours so I just had to look at it on my desk with anticipation. Finally, at 8 am I got to slide it into the cd player for my otherwise grueling commute across the bridge. It was worth it.
>I have only bought one CD in two years (TfE) Then I got on this list. > So far this year I've bought nine. What do you think of that? I think you need to spend more money. I've been on the list for about 4 months and have purchased about 60 progmetal cds, not to mention all the other cds of other types of music I've bought. Of course, you may have a life!!!
Trevor ----------
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 03:48:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Irene Raceu <majesty@voyager.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Yet another FW post.. Message-ID: <199704230748.DAA21946@vixa.voyager.net>
Hello,
Seeing all these other posts about the new Fates Warning cd, I thought I'd add a few comments of my own :)
Well, the only way to describe this cd is "Great"! I am really impressed with it. :)
Yes, it was very tough to find... I woke up this morning and got the phone book out and started calling my usual cd places in order... no one had it! Most hadn't even heard of them! One place even understood "Saints Warning". So I ended up having to spell it out from there on. But still, no one had it and it wasn't in any of their computers or inventory books. I gave up hope, figured I'd just get it when it eventually came out. But then on my way to work, I decided to stop off at this local music place that generally deals with used and imports. I didn't expect to find it there, but sure enough, they had it! The guy knew immediately what I was talking about. He made a comment like "I KNEW that I should order a couple of them..". True indeed :) For any MI jammers, the place is Flipside Records on 14 mile and Main St. :) I am really happy that I put in the extra effort to find a copy, it really is great!
Kevin's work impressed me greatly, as usual. That part in VII is great! And also, perhaps this is just me... but I noticed a couple parts that had kind of an "Old QR" feel to them... Part VI for example. Just Ray's voice when he sings the lower notes and then the music itself reminds me of them... maybe I'm just imagining it :) But in any case, it's very cool :)
Anyhow, you really have to hear it for yourself to believe it. If you like other FW stuff, I'm quite sure you'll like this one so by all means, give it a shot! I'm very glad I got it!
Take care. :)
Irene
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:11:27 +0200 From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: APSoG :-)) Message-ID: <v03007800af83635539e1@[128.178.99.38]>
WWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !
is this new FW a masterpiece or what??
A Pleasant Shade of Grey has the complexity of No Exit/Perfect Symmetry combined with the romantic/feeling/human side of Parallels/Inside Out.
Although Jim Matheos has written everything, I think that thanks to Kevin's presence, there's a bit more prog in there, too
Yessss....Mark Zonder is utterly insane !!! Those GMS drums sound wonder under his sticks.
Avoiding jumping on the 90s bandwagon (unlike who you know), FW have still transformed their sound into a rawer and more industrial mixture on some parts.
The lyrics just floored me. Myself a songwriter for many years now, I just said to myself: "I'd have liked to have written these". The lyrics transpire of feeling and humanity. Moreover, Ray appropriates these wonderfully.
Definitely the most accomplished work from FW. From now on, I know which album to get out when someone comes to me and says: "I don't know Fates Warning"
Thank you: Ray, Jim, Kevin, Mark, Joey and.....Terry Brown for the colors.
"I had so much time on my hands... and suddenly, it washed away" ................................. DAVE KING bass & harmony M T 2 0 p r o g m e t a l http://websites.maxess.ch/mt20/mt20 IRC : DaveKing
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 03:04:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FW - Part IX Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970423025950.20352A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
If I feel I have something constructive to say about the new CD that hasn't been covered yet, I'll post again later. Now for something... completely UNconstuctive:
APSoG - Part IX (everybody sing along now)
"Uuh cover meeeeee yeah... when I wawk alone... uh cover meee yeh, when my stance, it stumbles howowome.." >:)
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality2 Design | | c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 03:18:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: APSoG tray liner... Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970423031457.20439A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
I was just looking at the packaging on the new FW CD, and I noticed something weird. You know the picture under the tray? I'm probably wrong about this, but it looks like it might be one of those Magic Eye 3D stereograms. There is definately something hidden in the picutre... like a faint impression of something (I think it might be the guy on the cover), but rest of the picture seems to have that kind of blurred look a lot of those ME things have. I can usually see them, but I couldn't really pick up on an image in this. If anyone else thinks this might be the case, let me know...
=20 h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality=B2 Design | | c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 06:17:10 -0230 From: "John Fewer" <jfewer@nf.sympatico.ca> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: (NDTC)I Mother Earth News.... Message-ID: <199704230842.EAA21904@smtp1.sympatico.ca>
This just in....
"For all IME fans, Canada and abroad, this news just in: Edwin(lead singer) will QUIT the band after this summers tour. The band WILL NOT breakup, but instead will start an immediate search for a replacement for Edwin. All perspective Voices are the foreward PICS & tapes to IME Management ASAP."
In the words of Beavis and Butthead, "This sucks!"
John Fewer jfewer@nf.sympatico.ca
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 01:55:12 -0700 (PDT) From: me128 student <me128-ba@calcium.ME.Berkeley.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: This list does... Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970423015120.24959C-100000@calcium.ME.Berkeley.EDU>
On Wed, 23 Apr 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) > > I think you're darn right. I have only bought one CD in two years (TfE) > Then I got on this list. So far this year I've bought nine. What do you > think of that? > I think we should keep talking about "other bands" on this list.
Younis Hilal------------------yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu Yoondog on IRC "If it bleeds, then we can kill it." ---Dutch, "Predator"
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 02:07:53 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Egad! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970423015935.27791A-100000@general2.asu.edu>
Holy chicken shit! I leave my mailbox alone for 7 friggin' hours, and all hell breaks loose (115 new messages). First and foremost...
What did the chicken do when it saw the flying buffalo? Duck.
Secondly, I'm guessin' my next CD buy will be APSoG. Doesn't that look like an anachronym for some AP high school course? "Yeah, I'm not in simple "sog" class anymore, now I'm soggin' myself in the AP level." So many good reviews for a CD from a band that I haven't really heard much of...very promising.
Go check out Crossroads if you haven't. Laugh your ass off. (I did when good ol' ralphy boy beat the pants off of Vai...allegedly). Then go check out Rock Discipline. Cry your eyes out and throw your guitar into the fireplace. :)
Shit...it's 2am 'n I _still_ haven't gotten any homework done...
Finally, to all you girly-magnet guitarists out there, I'm just interested in opinions at this point, but what do you consider the "best" or "most favorable" cabinet speaker/head amp half stack for a heavy metal prog thrasher like myself? I'm kinda partial to Crate, Mesa Boogie, Marshall...all 'em good big 'uns...I just don't have any single model that piques my interest over the rest(yet).
Adios, amigos, Farewell good friend
~Eckie
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 21:25:55 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: APSoG - a journey longer than the CD itself. Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970422212548.006856f0@ici.net>
> The same EXACT thing happened to me about an hour ago.... > except for the fact the all there was was the APSoG album > and nothing else.....Fates did have its own bookmark > thingy though.........
My trek to find it was a little longer.
- I left work and went to a nearby mall. I went to Saturday Matinee. They didn't have it. I didn't ask them about it because they tend to be a little less than helpful.
- I went to a nearby Strawberries. They didn't have it. I asked about it. They said they hadn't got it in and it wasn't on their list. I thanked them and left.
- On my way home, on a whim, I stopped at another Strawberries. Same result, same reply from the clerk.
- I went to *another* mall. This time I had to fight my way through a mob. Not at the record store - it seems one of the toy stores had gotten in a delivery of Beanie Babies. Can somebody please explain the big deal over these things to me? I mean, all it is is a fucking Hacky-Sack with a head! And there are grown people practically fighting over them. I've seen mosh pits that were more civil. But, I digress.
- I went to the Sam goody at this mall, and they had ONE copy of APSoG. They now have no copies.
I also bought a Beanie Baby. For my daughter, of course. I'm a dad - that's my job. :)
________Pat Sullivan__________________________________ E-mail: psull@ici.net WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator NP: Deliverance - "If You Will"
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 21:27:02 +1000 (EST) From: J <breuric@tpgi.com.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Live KISS! Message-ID: <199704231127.VAA14607@random.tpgi.com.au>
>On yet another note, I just finished removing my makeup after the KISS concert >(my ears are ringing like mad), and I can only say that this night has probably >been the most exciting night of my life. I'm not a HUGE fan, but these guys just >completely RULE in concert, period! And it was only $35 - there a whole lot of >concerts that are more expensive than that.
Niether am I a HUGE kiss fan, in fact I probably didn't even know half the songs they played, BUT I left thinking it was one of the bestest (and Biggest) shows I've ever seen and are ever likely too.! If anyone gets the chance >Check 'em out! (the HIGH lasts for weeks after...) I know... not exactly DT but they certainly know how to put on one hell of a Rock'n'Roll show,,,! Their claim of 'you wanted the best, you got the best' would sound arrogant and stupid except for the fact its most probably TRUE! ... well L8r guys ... LOng Live KISS!
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 04:27:38 -0700 From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Just a little rant... Message-ID: <v02130500af83a072a55f@[128.32.100.59]>
First, props out to Younis for helping me to get my copy of APSoG... (Took me three trips to Rasputin's but I got the LAST copy (I think))
Now onto the rant...
So I get back from Rasputin's and I pop APSoG into my portable CD player since I don't think my roomate wants to hear it. Well I get through about the middle of track 3 and he starts blasting Grateful Dead. Well I am a fan of the Dead (mostly thanks to my roommate) so I am not going to tell him to turn it down, so I decide to move to a lounge...
I get to the lounge and again need to start from travk one again. So I listen till the middle of track 5 and start to feel the need to change clothes. So I go upstairs and change. I then decide I need to talk to someone. We end up talking for 3 hours.
Finally I get back up to my room, my roommate is sleeping, so I throw on my headphones on my portable CD player and start (again!) from track one. I get to the middle of track 6 and my batteries die!!! The last pair I have... Ugh!!! Guess I am waiting till tommorrow!!!
-Shane
PS: Sounds damn good so far... Though I also just got my hands on a copy of the Chroma Key demo, which has been keeping my musical attention recently too.
______________________________________________________________________________ I Shane Liebling I I was told there's a miracle for each I I jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu I day that I try. I was told there's a I I http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi I new love that's born for each one I I CAA Tweeker & Ytsejammer I that has died... Love is the Dance of I I Member of A.M.M.O. since 1997 I Eternity."Metropolis" - Dream Theater I ______________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 07:37:54 -0500 From: "Dan McCormack" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: "Valhalla" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: open-minded? Message-ID: <199704231141.HAA08526@mail.caribe.net>
Hey, what's up. I was just thinking, and correct me if I'm wrong, but = this is how it seems to me. In general, prog fans are regarded as among = the most open-minded music fans, right? And yet, most of the Jammers are = usually quick to dismiss punk as 'that crap' or whatever (this is just = what i've seen, i'm sure there's plenty of you who appreciate it, like = for example, Rip). Why is open-mindedness reserved for technically = challenging music? Why is music that doesn't take God (or John Petrucci, = same difference :) to play automatically crap? Like I said, I'm sure = there are some people who will go, "hey, i understand why people listen = to punk, i just don't like it myself." and i'm also sure there are some = other punk fans on the Jam. But in general, that is the reaction I've = seen to punk. Look at jam #2491.
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:24:44 -0600 > From: dave rieth <degenerated@wwdg.com> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: Re:=20 > Message-ID: <199704222224.QAA22145@mail.wwdg.com> >=20 >=20 >=20 > Everyone check out my website for bootleg videos > =20 > http://members.tripod.com/~degenerated/home.html > =20 > And if any one has any of that nasty punk crap you can unload it on = me I suppose i could find something to do with it
Anyways, just something to think about. Later.
--
Dan McCormack (TheCowGod) (__) dmc@dreamt.org (oo) http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/ \/-------\ http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/fuerza/ || | \ http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/tcg/ ||---w|| * Everything I said above is based solely ^^ ^^ on my own opinions
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