YTSEJAM Digest 2503
Today's Topics:
1) Genesis stuff...
by jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
2) Jordan Rudess
by MTeiper@aol.com
3) [MEGADETH:12229] RE:Interview (fwd)
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
4) The Guardians have awakened...............
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
5) Re: Genesis stuff...
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
6) Re: New virus,this is for real.
by Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com>
7) Fatez
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
8) Iron Maiden Video Game??
by MTeiper@aol.com
9) AOLFree Virus, and QR..
by Irene Raceu <majesty@voyager.net>
10) AOLFree Virus, and QR..
by Irene Raceu <majesty@voyager.net>
11) Re: New virus,this is for real.
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
12) Re: AOLFree Virus, and QR..
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
13) Re: The Anatomy of Man - NDTC
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2502
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
15) more APSoG observations
by dseeger@juno.com (Deborah J. Seeger)
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:14:40 -0700
From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Genesis stuff...
Message-ID: <v02130505af857e1b04cb@[128.32.100.59]>
With this new lead singer, and Phil Collins out, does anyone think that
they might return to their prog roots? I for one would love for them to
get back into their "Lamb Lies Down..." groove again. And hey, supposedly
this new guy sounds somewhat David Gilmour-ish...
-Shane
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I Shane Liebling I I was told there's a miracle for each I
I jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu I day that I try. I was told there's a I
I http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi I new love that's born for each one I
I CAA Tweeker & Ytsejammer I that has died... Love is the Dance of I
I Member of A.M.M.O. since 1997 I Eternity."Metropolis" - Dream Theater I
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:35:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jordan Rudess
Message-ID: <970424213534_1555355523@emout17.mail.aol.com>
Hiya -
Just catching up on old Jams... I read that the reason Jordan Rudess did not
remain in Dream Theater is because he'd already accepted a position for the
Dixie Dregs. Can anyone else confirm that this is true? Was he actually
offered the full-time position for DT? I can remember hearing that he was
now playing with the band back in '94, but then, I saw the Manhattan Center
video boot from 10/28/94, and Derek was there. I had never heard of J.R.
before, but when James announced Derek, I was like "Uh... I don't think that
was the same name that I heard... hmm...." I later heard a rumor that Jordan
did not "fit in" with the band. (I read that to mean "did not get along".)
So, does anyone know the real scoop? I saw Rudess/Mortgenstein open on ther
Fix tour... BOTH GUYS ARE AMAZING!!!
Peace... Matt T.
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:38:57 EDT
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: [MEGADETH:12229] RE:Interview (fwd)
Message-ID: <19970424.184058.3702.10.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
Ha ha. Mustaine rules
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Subject: [MEGADETH:12229] RE:Interview
I heard an interview with David and Dave also on Tuesday the 22nd at HJY
studios in Providence, RI. They talked with Amy Hagen about shooting the
video this weekend in LA. Dave commented that they wouldn't put any
"freaks"
in the video, smear mud on their faces or sing behind a glass window with
paint smeared all over it.
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 20:58:01 -0400
From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Guardians have awakened...............
Message-ID: <335C0D19.49C6@earthlink.net>
Spectres from Brocken find No Exit in the land of Perfect Symmetry.
11 hours until the rebirth of a sleeping giant.............
cheers,
Carlo (aka Fates, aka YtseSatan)
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:43:19 EDT
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Genesis stuff...
Message-ID: <19970424.184439.3702.13.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:30:44 -0700 (PDT) jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu
(Shane Liebling) writes:
>With this new lead singer, and Phil Collins out, does anyone think
>that they might return to their prog roots?
I was told that the music is definitely darker than it was during the
pop years. I think it's probably going to be more like Selling England
By The Pound than Lamb Lies.
Scott
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:48:16 -0700
From: Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
Subject: Re: New virus,this is for real.
Message-ID: <l03102800af85bc4b3bba@[128.95.235.96]>
The DigiMan said:
> > I personally think this is bullshit but I'm forwarding it just in case.
>
> It's bullshit. Reading an e-mail can NOT unleash a virus on your system.
> Viruses (with the exception of the Word Macro viruses) live in executable
> code, and not data. Just *looking* at it can't do anything.
Sorry, but AOL4FREE.COM is a real trashing Trojan horse. Check out
<http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/bulletins/h-47a.shtml> for the lowdown.
Note the .COM at the end of AOL4FREE--it's a DOS extension, not an e-mail
top domain. It's an executable. And if one has set one's e-mail program to
automatically execute attachments, one deserves every wiped disk one gets.
IMHO.
And everyone should bookmark <http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html> to
check whether something is a hoax before passing it on. The flameage you
save could be your own.
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Paul Goracke | "Reality is that which when you
pgor@netcom.com | stop believing in it,
| it still exists." - P.K. Dick
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:47:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fatez
Message-ID: <199704250147.VAA02745@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Mike Ostrich (Syrinx) said....
> after hearing some ungoddly amount of reviews telling all of is
> how bitchin' the new fates warning album is, i decided to find out for
> myself. i bought the album, and...
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> ...it's the most boring cd i've ever yerad in my life.
>
> the vocals. i assume ray adler can't just sing, 'cause he fails
> to do so. he tries to make each word say something in it's own right.
> maybe some people like that, but i don't...espically because i'm a
> singer. you wanna sing? then sing.
>
> any comments that have some insightfullness are always welcome
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:55:43 -0400 (EDT) From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Iron Maiden Video Game?? Message-ID: <970424215539_-2036077792@emout11.mail.aol.com>
Hey Jammer Types -
A while ago, I had read that Maiden planned on releasing a video game to coincide with the release of the X-Factor (kinda like Ryche did.) I've been to their web site, and they're hyping the game... I forgot the title. It is Burn? Scream? Some one-word title like that... Anyway, it must be out if they're talking about it. Does anyone know any info about it? Available in America? Able to run on PC? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to e-mail me privately, or post to the Jam since Maiden is considered legal to discuss. :-) Thanx in advance... BTW, I love new Fates, but I need a few more listens to digest it all. There's a lot going on there! Dr. Mosh referred to it as "insane", I think. I'd agree wit dat. :-) Also just picked up "The Dark Saga" by Iced Earth... AWESOME!!! Bye... Matt T.
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:25:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Irene Raceu <majesty@voyager.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: AOLFree Virus, and QR.. Message-ID: <199704250225.WAA17449@vixa.voyager.net>
Hello,
This is regarding that supposed AOL Virus going around. I too read about it in the paper. Yes, it's supposedly spread thru e-mail and as Chris said, you can't activate it by just reading your mail. But it is I guess an executable file and running it could wipe out your hard drive. It is supposed to be one of those Trojan Horse viruses that seem to be very popular today. Again, I DON'T KNOW if this is actually circulating, or what it will actually do, but you never know.
It is very possible that this IS going around. Back when I had AOL, I received in e-mail this so called "Survey" from someone claiming to be working for AOL. But it just didn't sound right... For one, the return address looked nothing like the usual AOL employee address, and there were a lot of typos in the original message. The mail had a file attached to it, a .EXE file. I was instructed to download it and run it in file manager, fill it out (they said there were questions such as how I feel about the service, etc.), and mail it back to the sender which would get me something like 20 free hours. Well, I knew better than to do that. What I did do though is contact AOL thru their Tech Support Online (in the free area). I asked if this was legit and they said "No, it's a scam, don't run it!" They also gave me an address to which I was to forward it to. So I did. I guess they can trace who sent it, it was an aol.com address I got it from, and that can at least stop the spread of that one. So if this is actually coming from an AOL address, and you're on AOL, go to Tech Support Live and ask for that address and forward it. Or, go to Keyword Search on AOL and do a search for this virus and you should get information about it and what you can do if you do receive it.
Heck, you can just delete it, I know, but if it helps trace it then forward it to that AOL address. THEN delete it :) If you don't have AOL and get it, just delete it. I figure it this way... today, you don't get anything for free and if someone offers you something that seems too good to be true, it probably is. AOL being free or even good service alone is too good to be true!
Off of that subject... perhaps it is known already, but this is for the Michigan jammers. I heard today that Queensryche will be playing here at Pine Knob Music Theater on July 17. Tickets go on sale THIS Saturday morning. I personally am not going. For one, it's on a Thursday night and I will most likely be taking summer classes (at night) and second, I am not happy with their new release and am just afraid that will be the focus of the show. But, just thought I'd post this in case anyone was interested :)
That's all from me for now, take care :)
Irene
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:25:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Irene Raceu <majesty@voyager.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: AOLFree Virus, and QR.. Message-ID: <199704250225.WAA17489@vixa.voyager.net>
Hello,
This is regarding that supposed AOL Virus going around. I too read about it in the paper. Yes, it's supposedly spread thru e-mail and as Chris said, you can't activate it by just reading your mail. But it is I guess an executable file and running it could wipe out your hard drive. It is supposed to be one of those Trojan Horse viruses that seem to be very popular today. Again, I DON'T KNOW if this is actually circulating, or what it will actually do, but you never know.
It is very possible that this IS going around. Back when I had AOL, I received in e-mail this so called "Survey" from someone claiming to be working for AOL. But it just didn't sound right... For one, the return address looked nothing like the usual AOL employee address, and there were a lot of typos in the original message. The mail had a file attached to it, a .EXE file. I was instructed to download it and run it in file manager, fill it out (they said there were questions such as how I feel about the service, etc.), and mail it back to the sender which would get me something like 20 free hours. Well, I knew better than to do that. What I did do though is contact AOL thru their Tech Support Online (in the free area). I asked if this was legit and they said "No, it's a scam, don't run it!" They also gave me an address to which I was to forward it to. So I did. I guess they can trace who sent it, it was an aol.com address I got it from, and that can at least stop the spread of that one. So if this is actually coming from an AOL address, and you're on AOL, go to Tech Support Live and ask for that address and forward it. Or, go to Keyword Search on AOL and do a search for this virus and you should get information about it and what you can do if you do receive it.
Heck, you can just delete it, I know, but if it helps trace it then forward it to that AOL address. THEN delete it :) If you don't have AOL and get it, just delete it. I figure it this way... today, you don't get anything for free and if someone offers you something that seems too good to be true, it probably is. AOL being free or even good service alone is too good to be true!
Off of that subject... perhaps it is known already, but this is for the Michigan jammers. I heard today that Queensryche will be playing here at Pine Knob Music Theater on July 17. Tickets go on sale THIS Saturday morning. I personally am not going. For one, it's on a Thursday night and I will most likely be taking summer classes (at night) and second, I am not happy with their new release and am just afraid that will be the focus of the show. But, just thought I'd post this in case anyone was interested :)
That's all from me for now, take care :)
Irene
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:47:18 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org> To: Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com> Subject: Re: New virus,this is for real. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970423224505.2160C-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Paul Goracke wrote:
> The DigiMan said: > > > It's bullshit. Reading an e-mail can NOT unleash a virus on your system. > > Viruses (with the exception of the Word Macro viruses) live in executable > > code, and not data. Just *looking* at it can't do anything. > > Sorry, but AOL4FREE.COM is a real trashing Trojan horse. Check out > <http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/bulletins/h-47a.shtml> for the lowdown. > > Note the .COM at the end of AOL4FREE--it's a DOS extension, not an e-mail > top domain. It's an executable. And if one has set one's e-mail program to > automatically execute attachments, one deserves every wiped disk one gets. > IMHO.
OK, I'd like to amend my previous statement. "Just *looking* at it can't do anything to a computer that's not owned by a total dumbass who would set up idiotic options like that." To reiterate: NEVER run a program that you don't know the origins of.
Or, just do what I did and switch to linux, which can't run dos code :)
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:53:02 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: AOLFree Virus, and QR.. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970423225102.2160E-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Irene Raceu wrote:
> at least stop the spread of that one. So if this is actually coming from an > AOL address, and you're on AOL, go to Tech Support Live and ask for that > address and forward it. Or, go to Keyword Search on AOL and do a search for
All great points. Just wanted to add:
If you're *not* on AOL, and you get something like this from an AOL address, send mail to abuse@aol.com, and they can help you out with this stuff as well.
And remember: don't run *anything* half an hour after you eat, or something.
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 20:56:45 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: The Anatomy of Man - NDTC Message-ID: <199704250256.TAA28645@odin.ax.com>
> by the way, has anyone noticed that the Ytsejam could > easily be the one-stop source for any type of info, > both useful and useless............?
If we could just set aside our differences, the wealth of knowledge bubbling from our collective intelligence could bring the world to it's knees. Or at least we could agree on pizza toppings. :P
> the vocals. i assume ray adler can't just sing, 'cause he fails > to do so. he tries to make each word say something in it's own > right. maybe some people like that, but i don't...espically because > i'm a singer. you wanna sing? then sing.
See what I mean? Betcha like green peppers, too, Syr. :) That's kewl, tho. I know my friend doesn't like Ray's voice, but he's gonna buy this album, since Ray's not shrieking as much as he used to. Poor guy gets migraines when people shriek. :P Personally, I think Ray's a gifted singer. Oh, well... We could rule the world...
> fates query.......if you like it, say, at a level where it's at a > "better than anything that fates has ever done before" level for > you.....how much of that has to do with Kevin Moore' presence on > this disk, and your tendencies as a DT fan??
Honestly, the keyboards themselves make all the difference to me. Eddie Van Halen could have played the keys for all I care. (j/k) But there's little music I buy anymore unless it has some keybords in it. KevMo was just the choice keyboard player; though they could have asked me. :)
> you know why that alarm clock is there? > > TO WAKE EVERYONE UP FROM FALLING ASLEEP.
I'll repost this description since so many people obviously passed over it...
> Ok. Here's why they have the alarm clock at the end. > According to Jim Matheos, this song is in realtime. The lyrics are > the thoughts that go through some guys head in 53 minutes. He'd > wondering what to do today. It's the beginning of the day. > > Apparently he woke up an hour before his alarm went off, and just > lay there listening to the rain and thinking and stuff. > > Anton Max (Give credit where it's due. :)
Take Care!
"Idle hands are the Devil's advocate. Keep busy thine hands and forbid the Devil into thy lustful desires!" --Bishop Maynard on the subject of self arrousal. "KorgX3" ibanez@cyberhighway.net http://www.cyberhighway.net/~ibanez
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 97 23:01 EDT From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2502 Message-ID: <m0wKbG4-000FRwC@xcalibur.iinc.com>
Yeah, I have to agree that the band is lucky to be on Atlantic Records but don't they have enough of a following that they would be successful on a shit label like Mayhem Records for example. I own one Savatage bootleg (Mentally Yours) and find it extremely difficult to find Shes In Love, Live In Offenbach, Live In Denver, etc. Wouldn't you say that if someone like Mike Bahr or anyone for that matter released a limited edition bootleg (so many copies) that they could keep this from the record company. I suppose if Savatage would just tour in the US, a lot of fans wouldn't care as much about bootlegs. Ah, damn, I would die for a copy of Made In Heaven. Whats up with the price though? Damn! Do you have a tracklisting for this?
Don Compton
>> >> I'd like to see someone make a Savatage disc. > >There are a few out there, but usually extremely expensive and hard to >find. > >But it is amazing the difference in attitude between Savatage and Dream >Theater on bootlegs. > >Although if you can get your hands on "Made in Heaven 1996" , it is quite >excellent. It is a 2CD live show that is a boot in Europe sells for >$120 to $180 here in the US. mcauburn@iinc.com http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784 ...so many times, I tried and failed to gather my courage reach again for that nail, life's been like dragging feet through sand and never finding the promised land.... Queensryche- Promised Land
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:17:09 EDT From: dseeger@juno.com (Deborah J. Seeger) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: more APSoG observations Message-ID: <19970424.221607.5055.2.DSeeger@juno.com>
I'll have to agree that the song is about someone dreaming, possibly drifting in and out of sleep, and the alarm clock at the end is the person's alarm going off in the morning. But I think this is definitely apparent after remembering a line from the last "movement," if you will, of the Ivory Gate of Dreams:
"As dreamers awaken In sleepers somber shade."
"Sleepers sober shade?" "A pleasant shade of gray?" You figger it out...
And has anyone else noticed that Frank Aresti wasn't thanked in the CD booklet? What, is 10 years with a band not long enough to deserve some recognition?! Just a thought... Debbie Seeger DSeeger@juno.com
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