YTSEJAM Digest 2507
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Jordan Rudess
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
2) Cacophony
by YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu>
3) Something to get if you can........
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
4) Flame wars
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
5) The DT shows in Tilburg
by erasm58@cicrp.jussieu.fr (Ties GOEBEL)
6) dt dubs
by Nathan Andrew Bova <bova@Oswego.EDU>
7) Rave/Save/Argue/Agree/LaBrie/Diss-cuss/Comply/Opinionate/Procreate
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
8) A Pleasant Shade Of Gray.
by Symbolic@worldaccess.nl (Ewald Janssen)
9) AOL crap
by cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
10) Bruce Dickinson Album
by cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
11) Magna Carta
by wjwomack@tddeng00.fnts.com (Wade J. Womack)
12) dream theater dubs
by Nathan Andrew Bova <bova@Oswego.EDU>
13) Drinking game anyone?
by Brian Anderson <bda109@email.psu.edu>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2505
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
15) predictable, albums & open-minded
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:41:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Jordan Rudess
Message-ID: <199704251440.HAA04535@odin.ax.com>
>
> So, does anyone know the real scoop? I saw Rudess/Mortgenstein open on ther
> Fix tour... BOTH GUYS ARE AMAZING!!!
>
> Peace... Matt T.
>
By the way.....Rudess/Morgenstein are opening for Steve Morse
TONIGHT at Club Bene in Sayreville, NJ.........I know for a
fact that RM play some excellent stuff, but I don't know
much about Steve Morse (sue me), but from what I've heard
he's damn good too...........
Anyway, they're both playing TONIGHT (Friday, 4/25) at
Club Bene in Sayreville...........
-Al
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Take me to your world
I want to know if I belong there instead of here.........
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email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com
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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:40:40 +0000
From: YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cacophony
Message-ID: <Pine.VMS.3.91-vms-b4.970425103425.7390B-100000@uhavax.hartford.edu>
> I have heard this name before on the Jam, Cacophony. Why does it sound
> familiar?
Cacophony is made up of Jason Becker and Marty Friedman. They have two
albums....'Speed Metal Symphony' and 'Go Off'. If ya want to hear some
excellent shredding, get these albums. The vocals do leave something to
be desired though.
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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:01:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Something to get if you can........
Message-ID: <199704251500.IAA04830@odin.ax.com>
If you can and you're interested, this week's edition of the
Aquarian (I think only available in the MY Metro Area) has a
feature article on Geoff Tate, along with an interview
talking about the new album and their reasoning behind how
and why it came out that way and stuff like that.....
Pretty interesting stuff - seems like Geoff is a pretty down
to Earth-type guy.....
If anyone really wants this and can't get it, let me know -
I could probably find a way to get it to ya........
They also talk about the OzzFest fiasco with Giants Stadium.
Apparently, The New Jersey Sports & Exposition Authority, who
deals with all events at the Meadowlands, pulled the sales
of all the tickets to OzzFest at the last moment, just because
of the fact that Manson was slated to play. Ozzy is pretty
pissed about it, stuck to his guns (he could have easily
dropped Manson and replaced the act), and is apparently thinking
of suing the NJSEA for some reason.........way to go, Ozz...
Stick iot to the man! :)
-Al
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Take me to your world
I want to know if I belong there instead of here.........
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email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com
HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:02:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Flame wars
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970424103654.2886B-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
There are a couple things about this list that have really started to
confuse me.
1. People see the need to jump into *other* people's flame wars and take
sides - not on the issues of the flame war, but on the participants!
What's that all about?
2. This latest... er, debate is a tough one for me to take issue with,
because the debaters are friends of mine. So, I won't. It isn't worth it
to me to piss off friends, just to end a stupid debate. Hopefully you
guys know where you were right and where you were wrong.
3. Some people seem to be getting agitated over the "fact" that posters
get jumped on for dissenting opinions. No one has gotten jumped on for
his or her opinions. No one has gotten jumped on for being vocal about
his or her opinions. People (OK, Mike in particular) got jumped on for
being what many other people perceived to be rude. I think it was the
"The alarm clock is there to wake you up after such a boring album" remark
that did it. No one minds that you don't like the album (and I'm not just
talking to Mike here). Let us know why. But no one has to be belligerent
about it. Mike's opinions were *all* valid (even though I disagree). No
one wants dissenters to stop dissenting. Just be polite about it.
But it was this whole "Oh, cool, a flame war! I'm jumping in!" that got
me the most. People actually started insulting Chris and Mike - people
that had no business jumping in, people that weren't involved even a
little in the original posts. Pick an issue, folks. This ain't it.
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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 17:12:25 +0200 (DFT)
From: erasm58@cicrp.jussieu.fr (Ties GOEBEL)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The DT shows in Tilburg
Message-ID: <9704251512.AA44860@ibm1.cicrp.jussieu.fr>
Hi 'jammers,
more than one week after my trip to Tilburg I finally find some time to write
something about it... :)
I took the the five hour train ride from Paris to Tilburg, including a lot of
luck while changing the train in the middle of a huge chaos at the train
station in Brussels, because of a strike of the train company in Belgium...
Since Tilburg isn't that big it was no problem to find a hotel and the
Norderligt where DT played on the two days.
I only had a ticket for the first show, but thanks to a good friend of
mine *grin* I also got the possibility to see the second one,
so I decided to stay one more day in this beautiful little town... :)
A lot about the shows has already been said, so I won't start to say
things we all know like "DT rules!", just some short things:
It was great to meet a lot of other 'jammers before, during and after the
shows: Charly, Denis, Marcel, Mark, Neil, Olivier, Patricia, Steffen,
Stephane and some others whose names I don't know! See you again at the
next tour!
For the first time I heard James sing without any health problems, excellent!
"Just Let Me Breathe" seems to be the favourite new song of the band and it
probably will be the first single. I don't like it too much and neither do
most of the DT fans I've been talking to. Does this imply that it actually
has a good chance to become a commercial success?
Amusing as always: James' dispute with the audience...
I would have liked to see the setlist changed a bit more for the second show,
but anyway it was cool to hear "Trial Of Tears"...
Although my journey wasn't cheap (even a hotel in a town in the middle of
nowhere isn't cheap...), it was well worth it!
Bis bald,
Ties
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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:45:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Nathan Andrew Bova <bova@Oswego.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: dt dubs
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970425114129.3112A-100000@rocky-gw.oswego.edu>
hey ytsejammers! my name's nate and i'm on the lookout for any
fans that can help me out with acquiring dubs of any of mike bahr's dt
cd's (i.e. subconscious, antiquities, wdatu, etc). if anyone can help me
out it would be greatly appreciated!! contact me at bova@oswego.edu.
thanks for your time! (finally, a producer!!)
nate
"and i know we're not children anymore, innocence lost in a shade of gray.
but i often wonder what else could be, and i still dream of running away"
-Fates Warning
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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:47:18 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rave/Save/Argue/Agree/LaBrie/Diss-cuss/Comply/Opinionate/Procreate
Message-ID: <3360D206.52BF@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: Adam
> I don't think I've seen a group of people rave about an album
> quite like this.
Oh yeah? Wait till the new DT come out :)
> From: Paul
> And if one has set one's e-mail program to automatically execute attachments,
> one deserves every wiped disk one gets. IMHO.
As someone who has written backup software back in the mid 80's, I'll
add to the above that anyone (esp. if you like hacking and surfing :)
who doesn't perform backups on a regular basis can expect to be bitten
sooner or later. Take it from someone who has seen/heard all kinds of
horror stories, it's just so much easier than having to worry about what
the next unexpected thing is waiting around the corner. With a backup I
could care less if Joe hacker send 220 down the 110 line and ignites my
machine into flames :)
If you happen to get bitten by this, the most important thing is **DO
NOT WRITE ANY NEW FILES TO THE DISK BEFORE CONTINUING TO USE THE
MACHINE.** A technical explanation of this is beyond the scope of this
list. But recovering all DT/prog related items isn't :), SO..... The
next important thing to do is to attempt recover items from the disk by
booting your machine from a floppy and running the appropriate disk
recovery utility.
> From: Syrinx
> If one doesn't agree with the norm, they are crushed.
Conform or be cast out!
NO, WAIT......
Everybody got to deviate from the norm!
NO, WAIT.....AAAAAAAAAAA!!!! I just can't decide.....
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice!
Damn Rush. Why can't they just make up their fookin' minds?
<In his best Ricky Ricardo> It's just so ridiculous :)
> From: Rip
> my high points on the album are ray alder. i didnt get to hear much of that on
> the .ra files. the guy blows labrie away in my ears, he's fantastic. the rest
> of the music just swirls behind him.
> ~Rip
Now there you go again dissin' KLJB. Must I show you the true meaning of
the word "Rip", Rip? :)
> From: eckie
> I know it's tuff to discuss a band when they're not currently putting
> anything out on the market,
But they are *putting out* :) Clinics. Previews of new material in
so-called draft form.
> From: Matt B using a forged address :)
> By the way, I'm starting to like Awake even better than all the other alboms.
> It's really grown on me. I like the rawness and the pure shred at parts. Be well.
Took a few hundred jams since my instruction, uh, er, suggestion was
issued, but I knew sooner or later you'd come around to my thinking :)
Next? :)
> From: NuGgeTMaN
> I mean if one isn't allowed to have an opinion
If I wanted your opinion, I'd give it to ya :)
> then why the fuck are we here???
I heard there was babe-age :)
Once again, TGIF!!!!
Regards,
Jon
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If anyone disagrees with anything I say, I am quite prepared not only to
retract it, but also to deny under oath that I ever said it. --T. Lehrer
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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:44:24 GMT
From: Symbolic@worldaccess.nl (Ewald Janssen)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A Pleasant Shade Of Gray.
Message-ID: <199704251644.QAA09536@tiga.worldaccess.nl>
Allright Fates Warning....
Just got the new FW cd today. I have heard it several times today and i
think this is the best album they have ever made. It even may come close to
the best album that is ever made.
Allright Fates Warning....
I can't wait to hear this song LIVE. It will knock your socks off.....
Allright Fates Warning....
("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._
`6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.') Greetings,
(_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' Ewald Janssen
_..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' symbolic@worldaccess.nl
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SDMPL (Six Disc Multi Play List):
Slot 1. Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade Of Gray.
Slot 2. Conception - Flow.
Slot 3. World of Silence - Window Of Heaven.
Slot 4. Eldritch - Headquake.
Slot 5. The Gathering - The May Song.
Slot 6. Artension - Into The Eye Of The Storm.
kantekening: Slot 1 staat nu al 1 dag op repeat.
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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:50:38 -0500
From: cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: AOL crap
Message-ID: <19970425164732721.AAA270@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
> heading of aol4free.com Within seconds of opening it, a window appeared
>and
>began to display my files that were being deleted. I immediately shut
Big deal... I saw this in the paper... programs like this have been around
for two decades now.... it's the same ol thing.... I'd be willing to bet
this is a .BAT file with a command to kill all files in the root directory
and onward, only it was run through a BAT to COM converter.. I have one on
my machine.... the only reason this got attention is that it appeared on
America's little fantasy land, AOL..... people are talking about it like
its some big thing.... I personally would not accept AOL if I DID get it
for free...
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:58:04 -0500
From: cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Bruce Dickinson Album
Message-ID: <19970425165458582.AAA223@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
> Bruce Dickinson - Accident of Birth
>
>I've heard two songs from this so far (it's out on May 23rd in the UK) and
>they are great.
I am glad to hear he's still putting out albums.... the last one wasn't
that long ago as far as releases go.... I very much enjoyed "Balls to
Picasso" from Bruce.... the next one "Skunkworks" wasn't nearly as good in
my opinion.... none of the songs hooked me with the exception of "Space
Race".... I'll be looking forward to his next.... I have always loved
Dickinson's voice.....he's got a most excellent signature vibrato when he
holds a note.... just listen to any Maiden album after "Killers".... Is it
out here in the US yet?
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:59:58 -0500
From: wjwomack@tddeng00.fnts.com (Wade J. Womack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Magna Carta
Message-ID: <199704251659.LAA03256@tddpd22.tddeng00.fnts.com>
>Magellan's "Impending Ascension. If all of Magna Carta's stuff is as good
>as this disc and Lemur Voice's "Insights," then I'll definitely be
>allocating more budget for MC discs....
>>You must buy Shadow Gallery. I haven't heard "Impending Acension", but
>> I've had their "hour of restoration" for years, so I know what they sound>>like. You must buy Shadow Gallery.
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Agreed! Shadow Gallery is excellant - very QR influenced. I own almost the
entire Magna Carta catalog, and there is not a bad one in the bunch. If you
are a YES fan, check out the CD "Euphoria" by the band World Trade. Billy
Sherwood, from that band, has performed and recorded with YES and Chris
Squire appears on 2 trax. The music is very YES/Trevor Rabin-ish sounding.
Sherwood is also producing Squire's new solo album.
Wade (who has been lurking for a couple of weeks)
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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:39:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Nathan Andrew Bova <bova@Oswego.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: dream theater dubs
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970425113506.1855B-100000@rocky-gw.oswego.edu>
hey ytsejammers! my name's nate bova and i'm on the lookout for
any generous fans that will help me aquire dubs of any of mike bahr's cd's
(ie. antiquities, when dream and today unite, etc). if you can help me out
in any way it would be greatly appreciated!!! it's about time the boys got
a producer! anyway, contact me at bova@oswego.edu. thanks!!!
"and i know we're not children anymore, innocence lost in a shade of gray.
but i often wonder what else could be, and i still dream of running away"
-Fates Warning
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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:19:01 -0400
From: Brian Anderson <bda109@email.psu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Drinking game anyone?
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970425131901.0068533c@email.psu.edu>
Ya know, I think someone should repost the Ytsejam Drinking game. It's a
lovely commentary on this mailing list. It may be a little out of date,
but I'm sure someone could update it.
-Brian Anderson
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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:46:06 -0500
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2505
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970425174606.00c13900@pop.enteract.com>
>and because the one time somebody offered a dissenting opinion from "Fatez
>Roolz" they got shit on.
I didn't shit on anyone. I disagreed with a few of his poinst, and
never, at any time, said that his opinions were not acceptable,
>From: ai292@freenet.carleton.ca (Gordon McFee)
> How would say Arch-era Fates is original, other than the fact
>it's one of the most ear-jarring vocal performances I've ever been
>subjected to?
I have never heard anything by Fates that has sounded like it was
ripping another band off. And after Arch, every album is dramatically
different. The first two FW albums are metal... not really prog... but at
the time they were released, there was no other band to my knowledge playing
the same style of metal, in the same way.
> CONSISTENTLY created new and ORIGINAL music, eh? I hear Iron
>Maiden, Queensryche and other such influences in their 80s work. Chasing
>Time seems to have a lot of very MAINSTREAM stuff with Alder at the helm
>too. Going with a 55 minute song was pretty ballsy this go around but
>they've been leaning toward commercial for awhile now before that.
There is no band in existence that is not influenced by another
band, or musician. That doesn't make one unoriginal. Basically, I'm saying
that I don't believe there is another band that one can compare Fates to
that will support saying "Fates is unoriginal". I can be wrong too... but
my experience (and I love metal music and have been buying it forever) leads
me to this conclusion.
> "Assloads of changes in the chords".. well apparently if I'm to
>believe my jams there are 23 chords in Don't Speak (?) .. and it still
>sucks :).
Hehehe... I guess I can't argue with that. But my point wasn't that
the chord changes made it good... it was that there were more than 5 chords
in the song.
> You have concluded that he is jaded for the past 17 years because
>he doesn't like the album. The prejudice is not his it would seem.
I concluded that he was jaded against the band because I thought
he'd said that they haven't done anything original in all those years, not
because he didn't like the album. That would be an example of prejudice.
But my point was in error. I misread part of Mike's post, and have already
apologized for that part. I stand by everything else I said.
> This mailing list. Right behind Labrie and Tate usually. Here the
>best metal vocalist is a HIGH metal vocalist..
This is a true statement, although the new FW has little singing in
the higher ranges.
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 18:10:33 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: predictable, albums & open-minded
Message-ID: <01BC51B1.9A3420A0@Lursa.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
D-Man :
>> Another prog-chicken :
>
> Come on, Itch. I didn't even have to read it to know it was
> Marillion. Damn, you're predictable. :)
Can't blame a Freak for pluggin' his favourite band, can you :-)
_____
Jeff Keifling :
> I think you're darn right. I have only bought one CD in two years
> (TfE) Then I got on this list. So far this year I've bought nine.
> What do you think of that?
How about this one... Some people mentioned Tori Amos on this list.
I'd been meaning to check out her music for a while, but never did,
until then... In one year I bought 3 Tori albums, 10 Tori singles &
5 Tori boots :-)
Oh yeah, be sure to check out the new Marillion album "This Strange
Engine"... Brilliant stuff, although perhaps to "mellow" for some..
It's already out in Europe. Here's some info on the US version :
> This Strange Engine is expected to be released in the USA
> on the 10th of June. There will be two bonus tracks, a
> "trance" mix of Estonia (11 min long!) and an 'unplugged'
> version of either Beautiful or Made Again, the two bonus
> tracks from the Japanese release.
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Dan McCormack said:
> Hey, what's up. I was just thinking, and correct me if I'm wrong,
> but this is how it seems to me. In general, prog fans are regarded
> as among the most open-minded music fans, right? And yet, most of
> the Jammers are usually quick to dismiss punk as 'that crap'
Mebbe that's because punk tried to kill prog in the 80s. :-)
And where did you get the idea that prog fans are open-minded
music fans ? *One* hit single or change of direction and they
call you a sell-out. Don't even *try* to write a three minute
song ! :-) I think "pop fans" are much more open-minded...
They'll listen to *everything* that is played on the radio or
eMpTyV. :-) (even if it's "crap" or "sucks")
Mark
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