YTSEJAM Digest 2512
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Fates - NDTC
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2494
by toppii@prtc.net (toppii)
3) Re: Megadeth & WildKoba trivia
by "Sean Davis" <Sean.Davis@MCI.Com>
4) G.I. Joe
by YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu>
5) Ozzfest
by "Sean Davis" <Sean.Davis@MCI.Com>
6) Fates Warning
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
7)
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
8) I need your personal URLs!
by Yanos Aldron <yanos@netwiz.net>
9) Re: Rush boot
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
10) My Opinion
by STUMARZEE@aol.com
11) Re: Cacophony
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
12) www.savatage.com (NDTC)
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
13) Flames Wars - please skip this message.
by Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
14) Re: My Opinion
by Jeff Forte <araby@ibm.net>
15) for all you rush freaks.
by "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
16) "Like a spider to the fly..."
by Brian Henderson <Cyberburlap@icdc.com>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2510
by ai292@freenet.carleton.ca (Gordon McFee)
18) ??????????!????????????
by prmrkstx@hotmail.com (dex)
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2511
by ai292@freenet.carleton.ca (Gordon McFee)
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 16:21:00 EDT
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Fates - NDTC
Message-ID: <19970426.132238.3406.3.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
>Ooooooh! So we got a tough guy on the jam, eh? So are you also
>planning to flatten the other 1000 Ytsejammers you've flamed?
He didn't flame me, it must be you :)
>To everyone else: sorry about this message, but I gotta
>stick up for Fates,
Good thing you did, maybe Mark Zonder will put you in his will now :)
>Anyway, I'm ending this flame war after this as I have better things to
do.
Oh, *I* get it, you can flame others and no one's allowed to respond.
That's fair.
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:52:33 -0300
From: toppii@prtc.net (toppii)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2494
Message-ID: <19970426215754.AAA26868@toppii>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 07:37:54 -0500
> From: "Dan McCormack" <dmc@dreamt.org>
> To: "Valhalla" <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: open-minded?
> Message-ID: <199704231141.HAA08526@mail.caribe.net>
>
> Hey, what's up. I was just thinking, and correct me if I'm wrong, but =
> this is how it seems to me. In general, prog fans are regarded as among =
> the most open-minded music fans, right? And yet, most of the Jammers are
=
> usually quick to dismiss punk as 'that crap' or whatever (this is just =
> what i've seen, i'm sure there's plenty of you who appreciate it, like =
> for example, Rip). Why is open-mindedness reserved for technically =
> challenging music? Why is music that doesn't take God (or John Petrucci,
=
> same difference :) to play automatically crap? Like I said, I'm sure =
> there are some people who will go, "hey, i understand why people listen =
> to punk, i just don't like it myself." and i'm also sure there are some =
> other punk fans on the Jam. But in general, that is the reaction I've =
> seen to punk. Look at jam #2491.
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:24:44 -0600
> > From: dave rieth <degenerated@wwdg.com>
> > To: ytsejam@ax.com
> > Subject: Re:=20
> > Message-ID: <199704222224.QAA22145@mail.wwdg.com>
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > Everyone check out my website for bootleg videos
> > =20
> > http://members.tripod.com/~degenerated/home.html
> > =20
> > And if any one has any of that nasty punk crap you can unload it on =
> me I suppose i could find something to do with it
>
>
> Anyways, just something to think about. Later.
>
>
> --
>
> Dan McCormack (TheCowGod) (__)
> dmc@dreamt.org (oo)
> http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/ \/-------\
> http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/fuerza/ || | \
> http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/tcg/ ||---w|| *
> Everything I said above is based solely ^^ ^^
> on my own opinions
>
> ------------------------------
I completelly agree w/ Dan, Punk music iz really cool to listen too, and
some of it even goes into the progressive style i'm not gonna say a lot of
it, but it sure as hell saves your mind, cuz you're not goin nuts while
trying 2 play 1 of the songs perfectly. But i'm sure if you listen 2
some of the punk that is out you'd be supprised. Some of theese musicians
are really good. So when you talk of punk as non- open minded, think about
it.
~-~Anti-Nazi Punx!!~-~
ALL HAIL TheCowGod!!
BOO!!
~g-HosT
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 16:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Sean Davis" <Sean.Davis@MCI.Com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Megadeth & WildKoba trivia
Message-ID: <19970426211313.AAA3582@localHost>
In regards to the comments about Megadeth. If you haven't heard Dave
stated that he was sorry for the past couple of albums, he did not
want to disapoint the true metal fans. He also stated that they are
going back to the Rust In Peace style.
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 17:23:40 +0000
From: YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: G.I. Joe
Message-ID: <Pine.VMS.3.91-vms-b4.970426172042.17538A-100000@uhavax.hartford.edu>
> john petrucci is rocking away onstage with his new PJM100-P3 and wearing...
> a GI joe shirt! its even got blue around the end of the short sleeves and
hehe...He actually wore that at the 'Fix '96' Birch Hill Show...
YtseJim
PS. Tim Lodge, If yur out there...Please e-mail me...Thanks
Yur either ignoring me, or not gettin my mail.
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 16:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Sean Davis" <Sean.Davis@MCI.Com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ozzfest
Message-ID: <19970426213657.AAA28147@localHost>
I'm going to the St. Louis show does anyone know where the Riverport
Amphitheater is? I'll be coming from Iowa and have no clue on how
to get there.
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 97 18:07 EDT
From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fates Warning
Message-ID: <m0wLFdE-000Ai5C@xcalibur.iinc.com>
I heard a couple samples off the new FW album and just can't seem to get
into it. Is there something wrong with me? I've heard numerous people say
this is the best Fates with Ray. Is the album a good purchase for someone
who likes none of the other material with Ray???
mcauburn@iinc.com
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784
...so many times, I tried and failed to gather my courage
reach again for that nail, life's been like dragging feet
through sand and never finding the promised land....
Queensryche- Promised Land
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 19:20:47 -0400
From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <v01540b00af883dc614d8@[128.197.7.195]>
>I was visiting a local CD store and saw a live Rush album. I don't know
>if it's a boot or an import. It's called _Be Careful With That Axe, Alex_
>and has 16 tracks clocking in at 72 minutes. It's from the May 25, 1995
>show at Weser Stadium in Bremen, Germany. I didn't buy it, though.
That's odd. I wasn't aware that Rush played any concerts in 1995.
Actually, I thought they haven't played outside of North America since
1992. Are you sure it wasn't May 25, 1992? (It's probably a bootleg, by
the way. I don't think an official release would have that title.)
Jeff Falk
Box 3208
700 Commonwealth Avenue
Boston, Massachusetts 02215
(617) 352-8639
jefffalk@bu.edu
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 18:24:57 -0700
From: Yanos Aldron <yanos@netwiz.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I need your personal URLs!
Message-ID: <3362AAE9.493BB9D0@netwiz.net>
OK folks,
I find it hard to believe that there are only 10 people on the jam,
including myself, that have their own web page! There is no need to be
shy about it. Send me the URL of your personal web page and I will get
you on the consolidated list I have created. The sooner you mail me the
better as I would like to get this done. It gives everyone a chance to
learn a little more about those of us with pages.
PLEASE MAIL ME YOUR WEB PAGE'S URL!!!
If you have already submitted, I thank you guys and just ask that you be
patient until a few more roll in!
cheers-
yanos
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 21:31:38 EDT
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Rush boot
Message-ID: <19970426.183301.3406.5.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
On Sat, 26 Apr 1997 16:27:42 -0700 (PDT) jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
writes:
>>I was visiting a local CD store and saw a live Rush album. I don't
>know
>>if it's a boot or an import. It's called _Be Careful With That Axe,
>Alex_
>>and has 16 tracks clocking in at 72 minutes. It's from the May 25,
>1995
>>show at Weser Stadium in Bremen, Germany. I didn't buy it, though.
> That's odd. I wasn't aware that Rush played any concerts in
>1995.
>Actually, I thought they haven't played outside of North America since
>1992. Are you sure it wasn't May 25, 1992? (It's probably a bootleg,
>by
>the way. I don't think an official release would have that title.)
>
It is a bootleg.
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 21:34:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: STUMARZEE@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My Opinion
Message-ID: <970426213420_-2069865427@emout08.mail.aol.com>
>>My point is that this list predictably has a predisposition toward
>>liking a Fates Warning album and disliking alternative. Why do some
>>people get so overwrought when this predisposition asserts itself?
>I like Fates Warning too, but some of the reviews have been downright
>embarassing to read. They've just been soooooooo sappy it seems like
>if Mark Zonder were here people would be lining up to suck his dick.
I guess you guys just don't see what it's about then. Music is a part of my
life and I will continue to take it seriously. When someone writes a piece of
music as moving, creative, and original as APSoG, part 12 especially, it
means something to me. Something I can't put into words.
My point is...this is why people get so offended when somebody knocks some
piece of music they love. It's like some stranger dissin your girlfriend if
you get what I'm saying. When some idiot says "Ray Alder can't sing" it does
piss me off. However, I also know responding will just piss other people off
and it will venture into an argument not even about music.
Listen to the words of Jason Becker, "Try to give only love and compassion to
everyone; you will be happy. Don't judge or hate anything; you will be
unhappy."
So pathetically simple and obvious, yet nobody ever seems to think of it when
it matters in life.
Adam
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 20:34:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Cacophony
Message-ID: <199704270134.UAA17815@tundra.winternet.com>
> > I have heard this name before on the Jam, Cacophony. Why does it sound
> > familiar?
>
> Cacophony is made up of Jason Becker and Marty Friedman. They have two
> albums....'Speed Metal Symphony' and 'Go Off'. If ya want to hear some
> excellent shredding, get these albums. The vocals do leave something to
> be desired though.
>
If you want to skip the vocals, pick up Marty's Solo Album "Dragon's Kiss"
excellect CD with all the Fire of Cacophony with out the vocals.
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 20:49:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytse Jam)
Subject: www.savatage.com (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199704270149.UAA18072@tundra.winternet.com>
The savatage pages have been transfered to www.savatage.com.
Check out the new site. Not much content has changed yet, just geting it
moved to a bigger faster server was enough work.
Surf the new pages an let me know it you find any broken links or
missing files.
The pages at www.winternet.com/~savaweb
will stay up for 3 months as a backup.
Nathan Bradley
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 21:56:53 -0400
From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Flames Wars - please skip this message.
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970426215653.006ee1f0@mail.ee.net>
Why is it that when we hate something we're Adolf Hitler, and
when we like something we're cock suckers?
Mellow Out.
Subjectivity of human perception is not a difficult concept.
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 22:22:54 -0400
From: Jeff Forte <araby@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: My Opinion
Message-ID: <3362B87E.9C7AAAF9@ibm.net>
STUMARZEE@aol.com wrote:
>
> >>My point is that this list predictably has a predisposition toward
> >>liking a Fates Warning album and disliking alternative. Why do some
> >>people get so overwrought when this predisposition asserts itself?
>
> >I like Fates Warning too, but some of the reviews have been downright
> >embarassing to read. They've just been soooooooo sappy it seems like
> >if Mark Zonder were here people would be lining up to suck his dick.
>
> I guess you guys just don't see what it's about then. Music is a part of my
> life and I will continue to take it seriously. When someone writes a piece of
> music as moving, creative, and original as APSoG, part 12 especially, it
> means something to me. Something I can't put into words.
>
> My point is...this is why people get so offended when somebody knocks some
> piece of music they love. It's like some stranger dissin your girlfriend if
> you get what I'm saying. When some idiot says "Ray Alder can't sing" it does
> piss me off. However, I also know responding will just piss other people off
> and it will venture into an argument not even about music.
>
Well, I think that in an area of creativity such as music composition,
one must be prepared for differing viewpoints, and should be willing to
accept them. This should also be true of the fans of the music. I
personally dot like FW, and I most likely wont buy the new album. I
think that people have just as much of a right to say that they don't
like it...as much as people have the right to say that it is awesome.
It shouldn't anger you if you respect the idea that not everyone thinks
the same and people don't all like the same things. Its not an insult
to the work...its a different opinion..thats all. Some people are just
more blunt about how they say it.
Chambers
-- _______________ < Jeff Forte > <***************> < araby@ibm.net > <_______________>------------------------------
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 22:52:57 -0400 From: "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com> To: "The Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>, "Skadz" <skadz@dreamt.org>, Subject: for all you rush freaks. Message-ID: <199704270256.WAA21829@brickbat8.mindspring.com>
this is essential reading.
> To: syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> > Subject: rush humor! > Date: Saturday, April 26, 1997 9:35 PM > > Top 10 Lines That Will Get You Punched If You're Stuck In An Elevator With > Neil Peart. > > 10. WOW!!!! NEIL FREAKING PEART!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!! JESUS > CHRIST!!! NEIL PEART!!! WOW!!! OH, GOD I JUST LOVE YOU!!! YOU'RE THE > GREATEST DRUMMER IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND!!! NEIL PEART!!! WOW!!!! MY > FRIENDS WILL JUST DIE!!! CAN I SHAKE YOUR HAND/GET A PICTURE/AUTOGRAPH, > PUULLLEEEEASE??!!??!! NEIL FREAKING PEART!!! WWWOOOOOOOO!!!!!! > > 9. I hear Wil Calhoun kicked your ass in a drum battle. > > 8. Playing drums, riding your bike, instructional videos, tribute albums, > writing books... will you make up your mind, please? > > 7. Whatsa matter, wimp? Arms get too tired from matched grip? > > 6. You aren't the drummer from Rush, that's John Rutsey. I should know, > I've got their album & his picture's on it. Jeez..... > > 5. Read any Ann Rand lately? > > 4. So, like, were the lyrics to 'Freewill' a collective statement on the > condition of, like, man's inability to ultimately resolve inner conflict > through reasoned choice, or were you just stoned? > > 3. Did you get to party with Amie Mann? > > 2. Dude, that handlebar moustache was really you! > > And number 1... > > 1. Hey guess what?- I can play everything you've played, only better!
* * * * * * * e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania! = http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx the offical lemur voice hompage: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 12:36:52 -0400 From: Brian Henderson <Cyberburlap@icdc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: "Like a spider to the fly..." Message-ID: <199704261636.MAA02735@darkstar.icdc.com>
>bela- victor and fred wootn (future man)
Are you sure you didn't mean Victor and Roy Wooten? Hey, "Freddy's Dead". "Drop Dead Fred". Oh, I could go on for hou...
Hey, you folks may find this entertaining. I was almost run down today by an elderly lady! Luckily for me, quick thinking and lightning reflexes allowed me to jump to safety in the nick of time... I tell you this, next time any geezer in a Buick comes anywhere *near* me, I'm rippin' into 'em, no questions asked. I'll headbutt my way through the windshield, then... You remember that part in that one Steven Segal movie where Stevie breaks the Jamaiican drug-czar, Screwface #2, over his knee and throws him down an elevator shaft? I'll do that.
And they say there's too much violence on TV.
Brian Henderson, Barometric Cyberburlap Cyberburlap@icdc.com
"Um, I just thought I'd point out... Your baby is sucking on a cigarette lighter." -- me, GIANT, today
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 01:28:28 -0400 (EDT) From: ai292@freenet.carleton.ca (Gordon McFee) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2510 Message-ID: <199704270528.BAA22642@freenet5.carleton.ca>
>Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 00:57:56 -0400 (EDT) >From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> >> No, but very VERY ignorant. Somebody on this list actually has the >> courage to not venerate Fates Warning or some other two-bit prog metal >> outfit.. I guess this is what should be expected. >I don't think it was a question of courage. The way the original critique >was phrased was vague and unconstructive. That's one way of looking at it. However when I read it for the first time it didn't seem any more "inappropriate" as a review than the self-fulfilling truth fans who raved that it 'RULED' while still being vague and unconstructive. The only essential difference was that he didn't LIKE the album.
>Personally, I NEVER let other people's attiudes affect the kind of music >I buy. If that was the case, I wouldn't own half the CDs that I do. So >does that mean that you won't by the new DT album when it comes out >simply because a lot of people on this list are going to engage in "drooling >fanaticism?" I like Dream Theater enough not to care either way. But in a borderline case like Fate's it often makes the difference. Now here's an excerpt from a review that is neither vague nor unconstructive, right? >From: Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu> >that being said. I think APSOG is the best release since A Change of >Seasons, but since this IMO the most complete DT song, APSOG falls short >only to the "Masters" of progressive metal (DT). Fates is effin awesome, >and I'd like to thank this list for giving insight to it. Does anybody >agree that ACOS gets and A++ whereas APSOG gets an A.
---- Later, somebody smart said ----- >the new, long awaited album from Fates Warning, otherwise (s)he'll >automatically be added to the "List of Uncool People of the Ytsejam". >Somehow it makes me biased. I'm sure it makes many other people >biased too. I tell ya, it's the reason the prog world hates Rush. Fans like these polarize people into a love 'em or hate 'em category.
-- "To seek the sacred river Alph, and walk the caves of ice..." - Rush "Ashes and Diamonds,Foe and Friend/We were all equal in the end." -Pink Floyd "The sands of time were eroded by the river of constant change." - Genesis "Others steal your thoughts they're not confined within your mind"-DreamTheater
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 01:53:37 -0500 From: prmrkstx@hotmail.com (dex) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ??????????!???????????? Message-ID: <v01520d01af88a7a68922@[205.184.11.105]>
>Here's one for Dex: > >How many internet mail list subscribers does it take to screw a >lightbulb in your ass? >
probably the same amount that would it would take to tame your ...... well I'll stop there for sake of your personal embarassment and inability to take a JOKE! what do you have in life if you cant laugh?
A B S O L U T L Y N O T H I N G !
DeX
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 02:00:40 -0400 (EDT) From: ai292@freenet.carleton.ca (Gordon McFee) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2511 Message-ID: <199704270600.CAA28502@freenet5.carleton.ca>
>On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Gordon McFee wrote: > >> have been more exciting". Some people will say "Got the new album, Alder >> didn't sing, it was BOORRRING". They are the same statement. If you find >> problem with one and not the other, it is in fact you who has the problem. > >Just to be precise, one is an artistic critique, and one is a potentially >insulting and disruptive opinion. How so? They are equivalent statements. It's like saying something in French and then in German. The meaning is the same, the mode of communication is different. As before, it's a relative value judgement you make. Is Syrinx's post more "vague and nonconstructive" than the Fates Roolz posts? Is a page-sized middle finger more of a flame than me calling Daugherty a wank? It's a value judgement. If you pretend it is fact you are deluding yourselves. To put it into Rush-ian, "You can twist perception, reality won't budge". >>I do not ask for respect from a wank like you. You hang around >>r.m.a.q. waiting for somebody to mention Dream Theater so that you can >>start a flame war there about how much better DT is than QR. If you >>respected me that would mean I was doing something seriously wrong. >>If you didn't recognize that you're either A) an idiot > Gordon, this is important. If you claim to be so very mature, and >think your point is right, why can't you make it without name-calling? I do not claim to be mature by nature or in practice. However one truth I hold self-evident is that I say what I mean regardless of whether it may be construed as offensive. I was so taken aback at being judged by the one and only Pat Daugherty that I felt I should let him know that I shared his love. And I hope Al keeps his tapes :). > But your tone led me to what I believe is the correct conclusion, >especially when you make statements like this: > >>Syrinx's original post was moderate. Ptacek and others chose to >>elevate it into a flame war. > > That is MY name, isn't it? And Syrinx post was admittedly harsh, >which led to me writing a post that was harsher in how I said things that I >should have been. But it was in no way a flame, and the response (from >Mike) was CLEARLY a flame. Mike and I can handle our own problems. I don't >know where you fit into this equation. If you have issues with Pat, go for >it. Leave my name out of it, unless you have some facts to back up what >you're saying. You've heard the expression about washing your dirty laundry in public? I've had this discussion before with other people; if you are concerned about somebody seeing and reacting to your post, make it private e-mail. If you post here, expect it to be read and reacted to. But you are right in that using your name in that case was inappropriate. >>can't you see I am not starting anything? > I think perhaps that you truly don't see the fact that you _are_ >starting things, when you insult people. I'm not a diplomat and I don't pull any punches if that's what you mean. However I think that people in Usenet tend to go to two extremes; being very abrasive or being ultra-sensitive. I find people on this list and in newsgroups get offended by things that are so minute (like say, somebody ragging on Fate's Warning) in importance that it insults more important issues by competing with them. If somebody said to my face what Daugherty said on the jam, they would lose teeth (although I'd probably lose more <G>). Calling him a wank is precious little in the way of elevation. Likewise I'm sure you and Mike would both agree (now that you've had your talk) that a page-sized middle finger is not a "good way of saying things". > You're dead wrong. Why should you be able to go through a list and >be disrespectful of others. OBVIOUSLY people love Fates here, and they love >Alder's voice. To say that "He can't sing" is NO BETTER than when >Mindcrimer came and said "Portnoy can't play drums". We were doing well but I'll have to totally disagree with that. If somebody says that Alder can't sing it is no more disrespectful than having ANY OTHER OPINION on ANY OTHER ISSUE. If somebody posts here and says that Geddy Lee can't sing, are they disagreeing with me because I think he's just dandy? A comment about a DT member kind of follows into a grey area, particularly when Mindcrimer knows what reaction to expect. However Syrinx did not know that he was going to offend people with his opinions, and if he did, *I* didn't know that, so judging me based on this is inappropriate. > >Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 12:51:10 -0400 (EDT) >From: Anton Max >I was thinking about measurable standards. Album sales, lackof promotion >from their own label, things like that. Practical standards. You just >happen to be in the one place where enough people have stumbled upon them And I'm finding that I don't like it too much either way. Band worship can be just as bad (and often worse) than total lack of acknowledgement of a band's existence. >Yes, the finger was an immature flame. But you could have responded to it >without saying things like "Savatage sucks," an entirely useless statement >that could serve to do nothing but piss people off. (I apologize if it >wasn't you who said that...I deleted the original message a while ago.) You're right, and that's my fault. I don't have to respond to things like that in kind. I'm not offering any explanations though, I did it and I stand behind it. Some choose discretion as the better part of valour, personally I like fanning the flames back in the direction of their originator. Yikes. I'm going to get my own mailing list if this keeps up. Actually, I think I'll just shut up now. My point has been stated regardless of whether people are too busy getting offended by the style to read the substance.
-- "To seek the sacred river Alph, and walk the caves of ice..." - Rush "Ashes and Diamonds,Foe and Friend/We were all equal in the end." -Pink Floyd "The sands of time were eroded by the river of constant change." - Genesis "Others steal your thoughts they're not confined within your mind"-DreamTheater
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