YTSEJAM Digest 2511
Today's Topics:
1) moo yip yiee
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
2) On the topic of 'topics'.
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2508
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
4) QR PL tour bootleg advice needed
by cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers)
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2510
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
6) Tapes from Europe 1997
by breitweg@fusebox.hanse.de (Jason T. Breitweg)
7) dislikings
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2508
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
9) Les Claypool
by jsj@ix.netcom.com (J. E. James)
10) now you know, and knowing is half the battle
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
11) ATTENTION U OF I JAMMERS!!
by Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
12) Rush boot/ Nevermore
by Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
13) Queen of the Reich
by Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
14) Re: Fates - NDTC
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
15) Pens - NDTC
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
16) SOMEBODY FUCKING SHOOT ME!!!!!!!
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
17) Re: new fW and flames
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 10:06:48 -0500
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: moo yip yiee
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970426150648.0087c698@mail.inlink.com>
>
>My point is that this list predictably has a predisposition toward
>liking a Fates Warning album and disliking alternative. Why do some
>people get so overwrought when this predisposition asserts itself?
becuase i type away posts in a single bound..
i leap tall bandwith in a single click...
I... AM..... SUPERNERD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~Rip
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 11:37:27 -0400
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: On the topic of 'topics'.
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970426113724.00689b5c@ici.net>
>They'd
>much rather wipe their ass with the CD liner notes than try and
>figure out what some imbedded pictured are in them. No offense, but
>try to show a little courtesy to everyone and think whether or not
>your letter is suitable to be posted or not.
I think that last sentence, taken by itself, is the single best piece of
advice anyone could get about posting.
However, I sense in this post a feeling that is more and more frequent:
Everyone thinks their idea of what belongs on this list is better than what
really is. Yes, there are a lot of off-topic postings. There are only 2
ways to deal with that: (1)Ban all non-DT topics, in which case we'd get
about 1 digest a month, or (2)Allow the other discussions and have each
person take what they want, and ignore the rest - *WITHOUT* bitching about
the content that doesn't interest them. There's been a lot of discussion
about Symphony X and some other bands recently. I wasn't interested in it,
but I certainly didn't post here complaining that all the SX posters should
shut up. Basically, if you have ever started, participated in, or even been
interested in an off-topic post here, then you have no place telling
someone else that *their* topic isn't valid.
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NP: Deliverance - "If You Will"
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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:34:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2508
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970425113231.595A-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Gordon McFee wrote:
> have been more exciting". Some people will say "Got the new album, Alder
> didn't sing, it was BOORRRING". They are the same statement. If you find
> problem with one and not the other, it is in fact you who has the problem.
Just to be precise, one is an artistic critique, and one is a potentially
insulting and disruptive opinion.
But I've had that flame war already.
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 97 15:49:19 GMT
From: cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers)
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List)
Subject: QR PL tour bootleg advice needed
Message-ID: <M.042697.174919.51@wxs7-8.worldaccess.nl>
I have been told that "State of Art" is a pretty good PL tour bootleg. I think
I ought to get it, but if any of you QR fans out there know of a better one,
please advise me. No need to reply on the 'Jam, so take this to private mail
please.
-- /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | Richard Karsmakers cronos@worldaccess.nl | \--------------------------------------------------------------/ C.R.I.M.E. Development; "Twilight World" Magazine; WWW-MMM "ST NEWS" ST/TT/Falcon disk magazine; "Ultimate Virus Killer" Gwar FUQ II & GEMulator FAQ maintainer P.O. Box 67, 3500 AB, Utrecht, Netherlands /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | Q: What do you do when a musician comes to your door? | | A: Pay him for the pizza. | \--------------------------------------------------------------/------------------------------
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 11:06:49 -0500 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2510 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970426160649.00d02b94@pop.enteract.com>
>Howz about the end to 'Life in Still Water'? Everytime I hear it, I swer >it's gonna go into 'Screaming in Digital':)
I'll whip out Maddy's QR collection and check that out. Haven't heard that tune in years. --------------------
OK folx, Mike and I have been discussing this trash OFF the mailing list, and have cleared most everything up. It's up to YOU guys to keep this from being the Syrinx Vs. Madsman jam. I think one thing Mike and I agree about, is that this is an effin' STUPID argument.
>From: ai292@freenet.carleton.ca (Gordon McFee) > Actually if you were capable of reading you'd have noticed I >didn't flame the album- > (that wasn't too fast for you was it?) >I do not ask for respect from a wank like you. You hang around >r.m.a.q. waiting for somebody to mention Dream Theater so that you can >start a flame war there about how much better DT is than QR. If you >respected me that would mean I was doing something seriously wrong. >If you didn't recognize that you're either A) an idiot
Gordon, this is important. If you claim to be so very mature, and think your point is right, why can't you make it without name-calling?
>From: ai292@freenet.carleton.ca (Gordon McFee) >To: ytsejam@ax.com >> I didn't shit on anyone. I disagreed with a few of his poinst, and >>never, at any time, said that his opinions were not acceptable, > > Not everything has to do with you :).
But your tone led me to what I believe is the correct conclusion, especially when you make statements like this:
>Syrinx's original post was moderate. Ptacek and others chose to >elevate it into a flame war.
That is MY name, isn't it? And Syrinx post was admittedly harsh, which led to me writing a post that was harsher in how I said things that I should have been. But it was in no way a flame, and the response (from Mike) was CLEARLY a flame. Mike and I can handle our own problems. I don't know where you fit into this equation. If you have issues with Pat, go for it. Leave my name out of it, unless you have some facts to back up what you're saying.
>acceptable) is just fine, it's when you start psychoanalyzing the person >you are arguing with that you go too far. Just MHO.
I'll go one up on you. Once you start attacking the arguer rather than the argument, you're going to lose. As far as psychoanalyzing, feel free to gauge which post went further into that realm, mine or Mike's response to it. But don't post your results to the jam. I'm all for putting this thing to sleep.
> I do not have much Fates to go on (I own Awaken The Guardian on >tape, No Exit and Chasing Time on CD) but the material from Arch sounds >very much like Queensryche and Iron Maiden. > The stuff I've heard from Alder often varies in content but I >can't say it's particularly innovative beyond the prog metal scene. Of >course that is because the stuff from _No Exit_ bores me to tears and the >stuff from _Chasing Time_ is probably their poppier.. ergo I would not >have heard their "B-side" stuff (?).
I guess this is really based on opinion too, so I will have to recant what I've said. But I will say that there is (factually) no other band that sounds just like Fates, or I'd have a new second favorite band... this is the basis for me saying that they are original. And each album, you will agree (if you hear the music) is very different from the next.
> Well influences vary in their intensity. For example Magma was >influenced by Coltrane and Wagnerian opera but that isn't as obvious in >their music as say, Iron Maiden on Queensryche(early). I don't speak of >originality in "no other metal band" sense but rather in the "gee these >guys are hard to categorize" sense. I don't think Fates has the second >kind of originality. HOWEVER I have not heard APSoG.
I won't argue with this anymore, since I've come to think that it's all opinions anyways, and mine is no more or less correct than yours.
>can't you see I am not starting anything?
I think perhaps that you truly don't see the fact that you _are_ starting things, when you insult people.
>>Other people offered dissenting opinions. Several of them in fact. They >>didn't get shit on, because they offered their opinions with some tact. > So Syrinx' opinion was alright, just his style turned you off?
Exactly. Even Syrinx agreed in private e-mail that it's not always "what you say" but "how you say it."
>(Just as mine probably does). Well sorry, but not everybody is going to >say "I bought APSoG today. It had very good dynamics but I thought the >rhythym section wasn't as tight as they could be, Alder wasn't challenging >the upper reaches of audible sound and I just feel that the album could >have been more exciting". Some people will say "Got the new album, Alder >didn't sing, it was BOORRRING". They are the same statement. If you find >problem with one and not the other, it is in fact you who has the problem.
You're dead wrong. Why should you be able to go through a list and be disrespectful of others. OBVIOUSLY people love Fates here, and they love Alder's voice. To say that "He can't sing" is NO BETTER than when Mindcrimer came and said "Portnoy can't play drums". The two statements you compare are completely different. Why can't you say "I hate Alder's voice. I can not stand the tone, and his annunciation drives me crazy!"? That conveys an extreme dislike, but there's no way to argue with it. When you say "He can't sing" the statement is EXTREMELY questionable.
> I was trying to do that the other day, but instead I saw 27 >messages about APSoG (not exact calculation, only my meagre estimation).
And you all are just going to have to DEAL with the Fates reviews, and the stories, and the "I went to Qwiky Mart and they didn't have Fates"... etc. It's on topic, whether you like it or not. I don't even like much of it. But there's no way to argue with the subscription rules.
- Chris is very tired.
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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 21:23:30 GMT From: breitweg@fusebox.hanse.de (Jason T. Breitweg) Subject: Tapes from Europe 1997 Message-ID: <ubg1webxv1.fsf@fusebox.hanse.de>
Hi all,
Of course I am not the only one interested but I thought I might ask. If anyone has audio or video tapes of the latest Europe shows can you please e-mail to set up some sort of trade? I especially want anything from Munich. But I do remember someone mentioning Milan and a video. If you are that guy could you please e-mail me? Thanks. Take care all.
Jason -- Jason Breitweg --> breitweg@amzeus.desy.de, jbreitwe@hep.physics.wisc.edu http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg, http://lobelia.physics.wisc.edu/jbreitwe "The Gods Made Heavy Metal And It's Never Gonna Die!" - MANOWAR
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 11:40:13 -0500 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: dislikings Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970426164013.00958798@mail.inlink.com>
ok, there's been some talk about different ways of saying disliking opinions. i'll run through a quick thought:
we've already established the jam is an ongoing discussion. we're here to discuss. first off i hope you're here to have fun. on occasion i dig myself into some harsh arguements, but i'm not going to come out of them with an angry face and say i hate the guy who disagreed with me. harsh arguements, fast paced discussion, and hard opinion stating is part of the fun. BUT its in no place to get out of hand. if you dont view harsh arguements as fun in any way, you'll probably want to stay away from them. there's a difference between saying something "sucks" and saying you dont like it. andrew "rage, vegg-head, woof, arf, yip moo, tofu boy, fish head" miller brought up something to me yesterday that really did hit it on the nail: one is blaming your opinion on the artist, the other is blaming it upon yourself. there's quite a difference in the connotation it's stated with.
then there are different degrees of it. i personally laughed when syrinx posted he hated the new FW, and followed it up with the alarm clock crack. i love the album just as the next guy, dont get me wrong. but he didnt attack using strong opinions with malice, he attacked using strong opinions and humor. if someone were to get on and simply blatantly slag the album providing no sense of personality or character, then i might take it more seriously.
the bottom line here is not to take things like they're the bible. if you're jumping into a discussion, or an arguement, even if you're going to attack without smileys or anything, try and make sure you're a) having fun 2) not taking this stuff personally, and are willing to pat your adversary on the back afterwards d)keeping this an intelligent and entertaining atmosphere.
sometimes things go to a point where they dont need to be replied to on the jam anymore. its the nonstop replying and complaining that keeps it going. just remain cool, dont let it get to you, and if the mindset is adopted by many the thread is gonna burn to its end. just like this long ass email is going to burn to its end right now. laterz
~Rip
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 12:51:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2508 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.970426122647.1890A-100000@unix18.andrew.cmu.edu>
On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Gordon McFee wrote: > "By any practical standard"? That should be rephrased as "By the > standard of me, Anton Max". I don't find FW underrated, especially here,
I was thinking about measurable standards. Album sales, lackof promotion from their own label, things like that. Practical standards. You just happen to be in the one place where enough people have stumbled upon them to know how good they are.
> and I'm sure I could ge ta petition up and running and get you a few more > names to add to mine. What I find irritating is 8 or 9 jams in a row with > "Fates Warning is awesome" messages. I'm aware this isn't the most > on-topic list on earth but this is ridiculous.
I suggest you set to ACK mode so you can just delete anything with a subject you don't want to read. There's a lot of stuff on the jam that doesn't interest me, but I usually just skip it so it doesn't bother me. Life is much easier that way.
> The finger was a flame. My post was a response to that. With the > chain of events firmly in mind, can't you see I am not starting anything? > Yes, the finger was an immature flame. But you could have responded to it without saying things like "Savatage sucks," an entirely useless statement that could serve to do nothing but piss people off. (I apologize if it wasn't you who said that...I deleted the original message a while ago.)
> So Syrinx' opinion was alright, just his style turned you off?
No, Syrinx' opinion was wrong :) but it's all right for him to have it and express it. His style did bother me a bit, but it was no big deal. The finger wascertainly uncalled for. The rest of the argument stemmed from a misunderstanding which has since been cleared up. So everything would've been OK if people hadn't been itching to say things like "Savatage sucks."
(And both sides have done stuff like that)
> (Just as mine probably does). Well sorry, but not everybody is going to > say "I bought APSoG today. It had very good dynamics but I thought the > rhythym section wasn't as tight as they could be, Alder wasn't challenging > the upper reaches of audible sound and I just feel that the album could > have been more exciting". Some people will say "Got the new album, Alder > didn't sing, it was BOORRRING". They are the same statement. If you find > problem with one and not the other, it is in fact you who has the problem.
No, I don't have the problem, but someone does (see the finger.) One statement is thoughtful, possibly useful to someone who's trying to decide whether to by the album, and would've been simply accepted by us Fates fans who are all too used to people not liking the music the way we do. The second is likely to start a long and boring flamewar.
> I was trying to do that the other day, but instead I saw 27 > messages about APSoG (not exact calculation, only my meagre estimation).
Yeah, well deal with it. Fates is the most DT-related band there is except for DT themselves, and they just released a new album, which also happens to be the first thing we've heard from Kevin Moore in a long time. People are gonna talk about it.
> Unfortunately this isn't the Fatsejam. I didn't mind the first few > reviews.. I was interested myself actually. But this is too much. Rave > review after rave review... and then when somebody disagrees, it's like > flies after shit.
Like I said, several people disagreed, and it didn't cause any problems.
-maximilian
Anton Max MadMax+@cmu.edu http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 13:23:28 -0500 (CDT) From: jsj@ix.netcom.com (J. E. James) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Les Claypool Message-ID: <199704261823.NAA25804@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com>
I was wondering if any Primus fans have heard Claypool's solo album "Les Claypool and the Holy Mackeral 'Highball with the Devil'." Les displays alot of musicianship other than his bass playing. It is alot darker sounding than Primus, but I don't like it as much. Still a good album though.
Justin
"I once saw a Calico that thought that he could fly. And then the lanky Doberman that tinkled in my eye." --Les Claypool "Granny's Little Yard Gnome"--
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 13:27:26 -0500 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: now you know, and knowing is half the battle Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970426182726.0096ac54@mail.inlink.com>
LOL! just opened the new guitar mag, in the latest Rock and play II ad, john petrucci is rocking away onstage with his new PJM100-P3 and wearing... a GI joe shirt! its even got blue around the end of the short sleeves and neck hole. hahahah. actually i think it's pretty cool.
as for all you die hard prog fans out there: from silk to GI joe, DT has taken another step towards the world of hardness and grungyness. BWWWWAAHAHAHAAHAHAHA. i'm telling you, pretty soon they're going to be as big as the smashing pumpkins.. dont say i never told you so! Hey, Dziadzka, this means you! <grin>
~Rip
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 14:19:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ATTENTION U OF I JAMMERS!! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970426141256.25171A-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
I go to the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and I went to the local CDexchange. The computer said they had the Majestic Harmonies import by DT. I asked the guy about it because I couldn't find it, and he said they sold it yesterday. If the person who bought it is on thhis list, please contact me via private mail and I will be eternally grateful. Maybe we could set up a trade. I don't have much to trade, but I would still just buy a cassette for you to record it if at all possible. Thanks in advance!
-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- | ***Rob*** "If Balance is the key then maybe | | rctaylor@uiuc.edu we'll see a future understanding" | | -Queensryche | -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 14:23:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush boot/ Nevermore Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970426141917.25171B-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
I was visiting a local CD store and saw a live Rush album. I don't know if it's a boot or an import. It's called _Be Careful With That Axe, Alex_ and has 16 tracks clocking in at 72 minutes. It's from the May 25, 1995 show at Weser Stadium in Bremen, Germany. I didn't buy it, though.
I also saw Nevermore's _The Politics of Ecstasy_. I think I heard some people talking about them here before. Can anyone privately e-mail me about what this band is like so I know if I should get it. Thanks in advance!
-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- | ***Rob*** "If Balance is the key then maybe | | rctaylor@uiuc.edu we'll see a future understanding" | | -Queensryche | -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 14:30:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Queen of the Reich Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970426142709.25171C-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
Sorry for all the posts in a row. I just also remembered that in a used CD place I saw a live import of Queensryche called Queen of the Reich - $29.95 used, though. All the material is from Warning or the self-titled album (i.e. Prophecy was on there and that may have been it). Anyone know how much this one is worth?
-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_- | ***Rob*** "If Balance is the key then maybe | | rctaylor@uiuc.edu we'll see a future understanding" | | -Queensryche | -~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 15:34:29 -0400 From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com> To: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> Cc: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Fates - NDTC Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970426153414.007da730@ionsys.com>
Ostrich-boy wrote:
> say that to my face and i'll flatten you like a fucking pancake, boy.
Ooooooh! So we got a tough guy on the jam, eh? So are you also planning to flatten the other 1000 Ytsejammers you've flamed? Maybe you ought to just crawl back under your bridge, troll! Or do we have to "Ostrich"-ize you? Hehehe. Ass-monger!
To everyone else: sorry about this message, but I gotta stick up for Fates, and some tough guys like this are fun to piss off! Anyway, I'm ending this flame war after this as I have better things to do.
** Lars Hellsten (larsh@ionsys.com) **
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 15:37:36 -0400 From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Pens - NDTC Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970426153733.007e1100@ionsys.com>
Just a note to whoever was asking about last Wednesday's Penguins game. Sorry to clutter up the Jam more, but I lost your e-mail address...
I taped TSN's broadcast of all of the games in this series (I also have the HNIC broadcast of Lemieux's hat trick in game 5 against the Rangers last year), if you're still interested. The quality (mostly the sound) isn't that great since I taped over some other stuff, and in SLP mode, but it's not like it's a DT boot or anything anyway. I also have a copy of a special TSN ran 2 or 3 years ago called "The Magnificent One", which is very good.
** Lars Hellsten (larsh@ionsys.com) **
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 16:15:37 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: SOMEBODY FUCKING SHOOT ME!!!!!!! Message-ID: <19970426.131652.3406.0.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
On Sat, 26 Apr 1997 06:55:42 -0700 (PDT) prmrkstx@hotmail.com (dexter) writes: >been here a while and just came across something that can be applied >to this list. well sort of applies but with different content. read >on and you will see. anyway I'll go back to lurking, which is usually >just skimming the jams b4 trashing them. > >here goes....... > >Q: How many internet mail list subscribers does it take > to change a light bulb?
I've sat here for a week now deleting thousands of posts about Fates Warning and now this stupid light bulb thing is back.
I CAN'T FUCKING TAKE IT ANYMORE!
Here's one for Dex:
How many internet mail list subscribers does it take to screw a lightbulb in your ass?
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 16:15:37 EDT From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: new fW and flames Message-ID: <19970426.131652.3406.2.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
>I seem to remember things differently. From the posts I read, the >majority opinion was that the new Queensryche album was good. A >vocal minority (myself included) hated it, and were flamed for >stating our opinion. It's a relief to hear you say that the new >Queensryche is an alternative album, though. :D
Towards the end of the thread favorable opinions showed up; but at first the overwheming opinion was that it sucked. That's why I bought it; because I know how many people hate it when a band changed direction and I felt QR needed a new direction. The CD kicks serious ass as far as I'm concerned, but if someone disagrees then that's fine.
>My point is that this list predictably has a predisposition toward >liking a Fates Warning album and disliking alternative. Why do some >people get so overwrought when this predisposition asserts itself?
I like Fates Warning too, but some of the reviews have been downright embarassing to read. They've just been soooooooo sappy it seems like if Mark Zonder were here people would be lining up to suck his dick.
Scott
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