YTSEJAM Digest 2415
Today's Topics:
1) Band Members in Sweden
by " Staffan Johansson" <johansson_s@hotmail.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2413
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2409
by Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
4) Update Lemur Voice gigs in Europe !!!!!
by "Coenen, Marcel" <Marcel.Coenen@liberfone.nl>
5) I&W - Awake
by " Staffan Johansson" <johansson_s@hotmail.com>
6) I&W - Awake
by " Staffan Johansson" <johansson_s@hotmail.com>
7) Re: Kevin Gilbert
by " Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com>
8) Re: Kevin Gilbert
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
9) Re: Biology 101 + music content!!!
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2413
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
11) Re: BIOLOGY 101
by Steven Zinck <zincks@ohsu.EDU>
12) high frequency noise
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
13) playing live
by Kramer <CK78729@ltu.edu>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2414
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
15) Where's the new album
by Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2410
by buster@ee.net
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 07:22:32 -0800 (PST)
From: " Staffan Johansson" <johansson_s@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Band Members in Sweden
Message-ID: <199704021522.HAA26985@f16.hotmail.com>
I´m looking for some people to start a prog band with.
I play guitar myself. I live in Kristianstad.
If you playing either bass,drums,keyboard or sing email me at:
johansson_s@hotmail.com
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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 10:27:11 -0500
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2413
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970402102711.00972c60@pophost.fore.com>
>
>-"Oh we can only pay $500 tonight. Come back tomorrow for the other $200."
>
>This can be easily avoided. Sign a contract. Bring it to the gig and when
>the owner gets cute, wave it in his or her face. If the cuteness
>persists, refuse to play and threaten to sue. Trust me, the owners have
>the money. Owners rely on the noise a band makes to draw people in. No
>noise= no people = no money. A quick word: don't accept partial payment
>if you want to sue. It's all or nothing.
>
Well never really had to worry about not getting out $700 guarantee,
however, there were times when we got screwed out of out $100 travelling
expenses. Also, on the contract thing, we would have a show booked, and
weeks later we would mention the owner signing our contract, and on every
occassion were immediately dropped from the show. We had to give up on the
contract thing, because owners would not sign them, and we were losing gigs.
KAI
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 00:31:11 +0900
From: Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2409
Message-ID: <199704021531.AAA06336@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp>
>YES!!!! Stryper! Steelheart's cool too. Got both their albums. I've
>recently gotten onto a Stryper kick. Love 'em. I wish they'd get back
>together. I've heard Micahel's new albums and wasn't too impressed. I
>hear that Robert is in a new band too. A Christian Thrash band called
>"King James". Have yet to hear it though. I miss Stryper. They're
>awesome.
$B!!(BYES. King James released 1 album cupple of years ago. They rocked. But thi
s was the only release from them. Are these guys still get together?
Thanks.
-Keiji Nishihara
Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp
tq0139@mail.doshisha.ac.jp
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:08:25 +0200
From: "Coenen, Marcel" <Marcel.Coenen@liberfone.nl>
To: "'YTSEJAM@AX.COM'" <YTSEJAM@ax.com>
Subject: Update Lemur Voice gigs in Europe !!!!!
Message-ID: <c=NL%a=_%p=Liberfone%l=LBF-MA03-970402150825Z-6541@lbf-ma03.liberfone.nl>
Hi to you all,
Here is the new updated list for the Lemur Voice concerts in Europe.
Sunday 13 April - Bachelorclub, ELL (The Netherlands, near Weert)
Saturday 26 April - Le Divan Du Monde, Paris (France)
Sunday 27 April - Lyon, French Dream Theater Convention (France)
Friday 02 May - Azijnfabriek, Roermond (The Netherlands)
Saturday 07 June - Nieuwe Pul, Uden (The Netherlands, with Threshold)
Friday 27 June - De Tagarijn, Hilversum (The Netherlands, with Elegy)
At the French Dream Theater we will play some surprises for the fans
from Dream Theater, what it will be I won't tell you, just come and see
us play, you will be pleasantly surprised, I think you will like it very
much !!
Take Care
Marcel Coenen
Guitarist Lemur Voice
E-mail: mcoenen@cobweb.nl (at home)
marcel.coenen@liberfone.nl (at work)
Lemur Voice homepage on the WWW:
http://www.cobweb.nl/mcoenen/welcome.htm
and
http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur/lemur-main.htm
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 07:38:45 -0800 (PST)
From: " Staffan Johansson" <johansson_s@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I&W - Awake
Message-ID: <199704021538.HAA02501@f16.hotmail.com>
I think that it´s imposible to decide wich DT album that is the best.
Just listen time and you´ll se that there so different.
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 07:38:44 -0800 (PST)
From: " Staffan Johansson" <johansson_s@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I&W - Awake
Message-ID: <199704021538.HAA07994@f8.hotmail.com>
I think that it´s imposible to decide wich DT album that is the best.
Just listen time and you´ll se that there so different.
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:00:21 -0800 (PST)
From: " Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Kevin Gilbert
Message-ID: <199704021600.IAA22735@f33.hotmail.com>
nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K. Silverman) wrote:
>Just calling for opinions on Kevin Gilbert's album, I think it's >called
"Thud". I am thinking of picking it up. Is it like Toy/3rd >Matinee at all?
Well, it's a bit more mellow than Toy Matinee. TM was classic, upbeat
prog-pop. I can't believe Gilbert was only about 21 or 22 when TM was
released. But anyway, the lyrical content is a little more serious in "Thud."
It still has brilliant melodies, though. It even has a really strange, almost
heavy song "Shadow Self" which is my current .sig quote. So anyway, I like and
recommend it if you like Toy Matinee. For the record, Gilbert wasn't in 3rd
Matinee (the other guy from TM, Patrick Leonard, is in it), and the album I
have of theirs, Meanwhile, is even more mellow than Thud.
Another HitNF observation. Is it just me, or does the chorus of Miles
Away sound like the Paul McCartney solo song, My Brave Face? The lines that
match up:
MA: "Please leave me alone on this day..."
MBF: "Can't stop breaking down again..."
I knew there were almost Beatlesque influences on HitNF. :)
Ken
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http://www.angelfire.com/tx/kmcwatters Quote of the month:
"Give me a conflict, give me a war/
Just give me something worth fighting for"
-Kevin Gilbert, "Shadow Self", Thud
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:12:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Kevin Gilbert
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.970402111005.479E-100000@unix17.andrew.cmu.edu>
On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Ken McWatters wrote:
> It still has brilliant melodies, though. It even has a really strange, almost
> heavy song "Shadow Self" which is my current .sig quote. So anyway, I like and
Has anyone figured out all the words the hollow men are singing at the end
of Shadow Self? I can make out most of them, but some run together too
quickly.
-maximilian
Anton Max
MadMax+@cmu.edu
http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:35:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Biology 101 + music content!!!
Message-ID: <199704021635.IAA19724@odin.ax.com>
>
> Your talking about a condition called trisomy X there I believe where
> the women afflicted have three X chromosomes instead of the normal
Actually, there is a whole shitload of chromosomal abnormalities,
esp. involving the sex chromosomes, one called Klinefelter's
syndrome (XXY), XYY, only Y, and wacked-out ones like XXXY and
even XXXX....Anyway, you should see the pictures of some of
these people...it's really nuts how these little things can
do so much....
Anyway, onto a music-related thing..... for people in the NY/NJ
area, there are vocals lessons being offered by none other
than Sebastian Bach of Skid Row....it's been posted on some
bulletin board/Internet ad thing since December, so I don't
know for sure if he's still doing it.....but check it
out if you're interested on his Web site..
http://www.ifu.net/~bachoff
If that isn't the right site, you can always go thru our very own
Ytsejammer's site, the great Paul Cashman:
http://www.crl.com/~vanyel
later,
Al
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:06:45 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2413 Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970402094402.29845A-100000@enteract.com>
> europe til a bit later this month. man, this sucks, DS and JP will be > giving clinics at the same time, same place, but not the same room because
I think we should castrate Rip, and help him shed his container so he can join the people on the spaceship. I can't believe you can find some way to complain about the option of seeing DS or JP! You pineapple!
> From: Kramer <CK78729@ltu.edu> > Subject: playing live
That was pretty cool. :)
> you're a bass player! picks are for kids!
Hahahahaha
> From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net> > Subject: Re: Angra Question
> Buy the normal/domestic release of the cd...then, buy the Freedom Call > EP. You get the japanese bonus track, PLUS 5 other songs, including a > Judas Priest cover of Painkiller. Your lacking those 3 songs on that > double cd set but well, taking this route, you get more for your cash. > Of course, you can always just buy the entire damn thing.
I opt for the "Buy the entire damn thing" route, because I love the music so much. I bought the regular Holy Land release, and later my GF bought me the 2 disc set, and I gave her my copy of Holy Land... Still looking for Freedom Call. I believe Queen of the Night is also on Reaching Horizons. But let me cut to the chase: The main benefit to the 2 disc set is the kick-ass cool packaging. It's like one of the old cd long boxes... opens up with a large insert with band history and everything. Great quality. The second CD is not earth shattering... it's all acoustic, and cool... but it depends on how much more you have to pay for it. I think mine was $32, and my original Holy Land was either $22 or $26. It's a great collector's item.
> I don't think that live at the FNAC disc is available on its > own, at least I haven't seen it yet.
It isn't.
> I was trying to say that you should support them in their decisions to > alter their sound and change there style, and take the good with the bad > no matter what.
I disagree with this sentiment. Pantera, for instance, became seriously drug influenced. I found too many faults in the band to continue liking them. But to that point, I did consider myself a true fan, and I do still consider myself a true fan of their early works. I think you can be a true fan, and then be turned from a band for something they do, say, or play. Another example: Malevolent Creation. This band was a kickass death metal band... but then they started making racial slurs, and I will not listen to them. Does this mean I was never a true fan?
> From a personal stand point, I don't believe a band owes there fans anything, > I think it's the reversal. Plus, the only thing a fan should really owe > them is nothing but respect... nothing more, nothing less
I agree with the part about how a fan owes a band respect, but I absolutely believe that the band owes the fans the same. We pay their bills. If a band doesn't want to play the same style of music, that's their decision to make, but it's disrespectful to say "We'll never sell out or make a video or anything" and then release a Black/Load album. It's disrespectful to say "Our new album will be just like the old stuff... maybe heavier!" and then release something quite the opposite. I just want, and deserve honesty.
- Chris
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:29:11 -0800 (PST) From: Steven Zinck <zincks@ohsu.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: BIOLOGY 101 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970402091100.14319A-100000@steele.ohsu.edu>
Well, well, well. The 'jam is now branching out into the medical field. I don't want to detract from DT content too much, but I thought I'd give a little more accurate info on the subject of Jamie Lee Curtis and women the genotype XXX.
JLC actually has Testicular Feminization Syndrome. People with TFS have XY sex chromosomes and produce male hormones (androgens) as a fetus, but the problem is that the end organs that these hormones act upon are resistant to their effects. So physically, they develop into females. The external genitalia are female, the vagina ends in a blind pouch, and the uterus is absent. They have testicles which usually remain within the abdomen. They're infertile, menstruation doesn't occur, and pubic hair is usually absent. It's interesting that most of them grow up to be very attractive women.
47 XXX is a condition where women have one extra X chromosome. Many grow up normally, but often have some facial abnormalities or mild mental retardation.
There you have it. And now back to our regularly scheduled programming.
Steve Zinck
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:32:09 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: high frequency noise Message-ID: <199704021745.UAA11514@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>
> I can't hear that well or it would spoil my favesong ! > I can hear up to 16 kHz, that sound must be somewhere > around 17 or 18 kHz. My boyfriend hears it(up to 18), > but his ears aren't as damaged as mine.. check it out !
I can hear it well, though I don't consider my ears very well kept. It's the usual sound of a TV set turned on. I can always say whether the TV set is turned on or not, I just hear the sound. It doesn't annoy me, neither does it attract me, but I know it's there.
I don't know about the exact frequency (freakuency?) :-) though.
Do not click here to continue.
Raitz
Be reasonable -- demand the impossible!
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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 12:46:11 -0500 (EST) From: Kramer <CK78729@ltu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: playing live Message-ID: <01IH8AXE2YGI91VUIJ@ltu.edu>
Richie: Our drummer always gets a monitor. I find it odd that you don't.
As for playing with a pick, yeah I know I'm a bassist, but on the really fast stuff a pick comes in much handier. The Anthrax bass player is a finger player, but watched a concert video of theirs I noticed that on some of their really fast songs he had to switch to a pick. I really should start playing more often with fingers, but with a pick I don't have to turn my amp up so load. With fingers I need to crank it up higher.
-C#
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:00:13 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2414 Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970402113751.29845B-100000@enteract.com>
> From: fish69@juno.com (James D Carey) > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2413
> The only fact here is the fact that you're one of many fans who > got their own hopes and dreams up that the band was going to release > MindCrime II, and since they didn't you feel like you've been betrayed, > cheated and perhaps stabbed in the back by none other than the > Anti-Christ himself...
Whoa, now pal. I dislike the new Queensryche. I think it's a little presumptious for you to assume that it's because I wanted O:M II. This is a free country, and a relatively free mailing list, and if I don't like the new album, that's my right. I Don't like it because: Some of the lyrics are IMO just bad (I don't know how to explain it); I think the guitar sounds pretty much bite for the entire album (Although in spite of this, I think there are a few shining tracks); the music seems less emotional to me; the sound of the band has been somehow "Updated"... i don't think I'd say they sold out, because I predict that this album won't do incredibly well. This new sound may be a natural progression for the band, but it's something that I personally don't find interesting.
> Well let me clue ya in on something Doc. There > will NOT be another Operation: MindCrime-esque album.. get over it,
Get over the fact that people have the right to dislike music. He may or may not be right about his comment of "sold {Selling} the fans out" but if that's his opinion, so be it. "Quit your bitchin and deal".
> quit your bitchin and deal. The band has taken it's music forward into > a different direction. So if they did infact sold-out.. then did Rush > when they released Test For Echo, or did Metallica when they did Black, > or how about Pearl Jam for Vitalogy, or maybe Fatez when they released > Inside Out.. Hell, even DT when they released Awake..
"Sold out" refers to changing music to attempt to pull a mainstream fan group in and make the profit for doing so. IMO Rush? Maybe. Metallica? Definately. PJ? Not possible. They started out as mainstream as you can get. FW and DT? Um... NO. There is a difference between natural evolution/progression and selling out. And selling out isn;t even necessarily a bad thing... only when it's dishonest. Many people think that Testament sold out with The Ritual... and I love that album. SOme think Qr sold out with Empire. I love that one too.
> From: satu.reunanen@sci.fi (Satu Reunanen) > Subject: Space-dye vest
> I was wondering is there anyone here who is > able to hear this high sound in Space-dye vest ?
Yup. I have two different copies of the song, and it may be all in my mind, but I think it's more audible on the single. Still, I can hear it clearly. It's that sound that you can hear in your room when the TV is on but the sound is turned off... even if you don't hear the tv sounds or see the screen, you can hear the frequency.
> -Keiji Nishihara > Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp > tq0139@mail.doshisha.ac.jp
I've come to the conclusion that this (above) person knows EVERYTHING about metal music releases, foreign or domestic. I'm not good with ethnic names, so I can't tell if it's a male of a female, but I think we should call Keiji the Prog Oracle or something. :)
- Chris
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 97 12:45:14 EST From: Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Where's the new album Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.5.860003114.chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
I'm new to this mailing list, but I heard that the album may not be released until October at the earliest. What the fuck. I want to hear to the new album dammit. Does anyone know where I could get some samples of the new materal. By the way, I know this isn't a site for Floyd Fans but Rick Wright has released and album called Broken China and it is surprising very well done. It takes you back to the Meddle type sound. It is a very erie album, and it is extremely well produced. Any true Floyd fans I guarantee would enjoy this album.
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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 13:28:11 -0500 From: buster@ee.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2410 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970402182811.006a2ca4@ee.net>
>>background...........in the background, i kept hearing the >hospital scene >>from the beginning of operation mindcrime!!!!! i almost >fainted.....it was >>something else....whew. > >I have not seen the Twix comercial but this is my guess. The dialogue "Dr >Davis Dr Davis telephone please .... Dr Blair.........." is probably taken >from some widely available sound effects compilation. (at least this is my
That same dialogue is in many songs and movies I've seen...can't name them off the top of my head, but you're right, it's a widely available sample and it's widely used. I think I've also heard it in some popular hospital TV shows in the background...
Why am I posting about this.....please, someone release the new fucking DT CD before I hurt myself!
My take on the "countries" thing: I'm from US, and I did a tour in 1990 in Argentina, and can tell you this - People in all places have the wrong idea of what people are about in other countries. All governments feed us a certain amount of propaganda that gives us a distorted sense of what the other cultures are about. You don't completely understand all this until you go live in another country for while, and then you begin to realize that people everywhere are basically good and basically the same, but they are all more or less "told" how to think about other countries/cultures. For the record, Argentina was great, the people were beautiful and fun and friendly and it was the best time of my life, but I would never trade anything for my homeland of USA. Living down there for 3 months really taught me a lot about the way we are misguided and undereducated about other cultures. We in America are very very lucky, and have a right to be proud, but there is absolutely no excuse for knocking other peoples lifestyles and homelands. They're making the best of what they've been given....
buster http://users1.ee.net/buster
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