YTSEJAM Digest 2413
Today's Topics:
1) Lyrical approach to DT - I&W vs. Awake
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
2) Stupid phuckers
by eckie@asu.edu
3) MTV
by Aaron Happe <jared@stlnet.com>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2412
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
5) John Petrucci guitar clinic
by Justin Hartmann <hartmann@MO.NET>
6) jp clinic
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
7) Play this or die
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
8) 80's early 90's music
by Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
9) playing live
by Kramer <CK78729@ltu.edu>
10) Re: Where can I find new Fates?
by drkhoe@gestalt2.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
11) Re: true fans
by drkhoe@gestalt2.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
12) Re: playing live
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
13) Re: STOP THR INSANITY!
by drkhoe@gestalt2.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
14) Re: playing live
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
15) Re: true fans
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
16) RUSH!!! PHOENIX!!!
by Mark Hatch-Miller <ace@onfire.net>
17) Re: playing live
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
18) Prog magazines
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
19) Re: Angra Question
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
20) Re: true fans
by fish69@juno.com (James D Carey)
21) Re: Being true to yourself
by fish69@juno.com (James D Carey)
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Date: 01 Apr 97 15:23:53 -0800
From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lyrical approach to DT - I&W vs. Awake
Message-ID: <199704020214.SAA09344@mailsun3-fddi.us.oracle.com>
Thanks to those of you who responded to my question about a week ago
concerning which album people with a "lyrical" approach to listening prefer.
The response was not overwhelming but essentially confirmed my initial guess.
With one or two exceptions, most people who focus on vocals (including my gf)
preferred Awake as the album with the most vocal variety and "color". I still
prefer I&W, but then I listen to the instruments more than anything else, and
I think songs like Metropolis, TTT, and Learning to Live are almost
untouchable - they've been chiseled into a special and elite place within the
musical corners of my brain. Oh, and Surrounded is one of the most
ass-kicking rock ballads imaginable. Who woulda thought 5/4 could sound so
damned smooth?
cheers,
-Neil.
"Death is the first dance, eternal...
Deceit is the second without end...
Love is the Dance of Eternity."
-Dream Theater, "Metropolis - Part I 'The Miracle and the Sleeper'"
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 19:20:43 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Stupid phuckers
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970401191132.21541A-100000@general5.asu.edu>
Hey! Let's stop the American bashing! Just 'cuz we're stupid doesn't
mean we can't kick everybody else's asses with the world's most powerful
(and gay) army!
>:D
And 'em Canadians don't need any shit either. Two words: Flying Caribou eh.
And the Brits...they had the Beatles for cryin' out loud! Of
course...they also had Oasis....
Anyhoo, what ever happened to that PETITION that I signed so long ago?
Did it ever get sent to Elektra? I think somebody should have spent the
money to print it out on paper and snail mail the thanged ding to them as
well. And when is that studio time that DT is scheduled for? Mid July?
Gosh that would suck. I live on the WEST coast with my friends from
Metallica and Megadeth (hell, us Arizonans keep running into the members
of Megadeth every so often), but I wouldn't mind seeing Petrucci and the
gang as well! TOUR THE WEST! TOUR THE WEST I SAY!
Ugh. Well, I think I've waisted your bandwidth enough.
BTW, what the hell is "waisted bandwidth" on an open discussion forum?
~Eckie
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 21:03:45 -0600
From: Aaron Happe <jared@stlnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MTV
Message-ID: <3341CC91.3660@mail.stlnet.com>
Debbie asked what the email adress for MTV was, the only one that I
could find was the one for M2, which should be fine. it is
M2MUSIC@aol.com. This is what I sent to them:
Many ppl out there do not like alterntaive music and we would like to
see something that we enjoy on MTV. First of all I would like to
request for you to play a Dream Theater song: Lie or Take The Time.
Second me and MANY others would like to see some other stuff played
like: Dream Theater, Queensryche, older Metallica, Tool, Rush, Megadeth,
Type O Negative, SavaTage ect. Please either bring back Headbangers
Ball or another show like it. Thanks
If you noticed I did not yell at them about how bad alternative is, I
just told them that I would like to see something different played. If
you are going to send something to them please do not start some crap
like "alternatice SUCKS!!!! FUCK IT we need something good!!! :-)" I
dont think they will respond well if we do that :-)
-Aaron Happe
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 97 22:25 EST
From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2412
Message-ID: <m0wCGfU-000BA6C@xcalibur.iinc.com>
>>As for Kiss The Stone records, damn. If there wasn't a minimum order of 5
>>CD's, I'd buy some. I suppose I can find other Dream Theater boots.
>
>Good luck, man. It seems that boot bust has shut down a LOT of
>manufacturers, and the ones who didn't get busted are going back into the
>woodwork for a while. It will become REALLY hard to find boots of all kinds.
>I'm sure this will make Heather happy, though. Right newbie? :P
>
>-Rick
>
>
Whoa, what does I'm sure this will make Heather happy mean??????????
And what does the part about me being a newbie mean? I've been on the jam
for quite a while. ***CONFUSED AS HELL***
Don
mcauburn@iinc.com
soulmadness@hotmail.com (for people sending pics, sound files, etc.)
Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more
to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 21:28:05 -0600
From: Justin Hartmann <hartmann@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: John Petrucci guitar clinic
Message-ID: <3341D245.5064@mvp.net>
Hi,
I have heard a rumor that there will be a John Petrucci guitar clinic
somewhere around St. Louis this weekend. Is this true I thought they
were on tour in Europe?
Could Someone please answer my question?
Justin Hartmann
hartmann@mvp.net
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 21:43:09 -0600
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: jp clinic
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970402034309.0082e194@mail.inlink.com>
>I have heard a rumor that there will be a John Petrucci guitar clinic
>somewhere around St. Louis this weekend. Is this true I thought they
>were on tour in Europe?
Tis true, jp clinic this thursday!!! WOOOO HOOOO!!!!!!!!! they wont be in
europe til a bit later this month. man, this sucks, DS and JP will be
giving clinics at the same time, same place, but not the same room because
it would legally screw them over.. something about members of a band being
present onstage together not under record contract or some weird crap. oh
well, i guess you gotta pick one or the other. my choice: JP :)
~Rip
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 22:55:02 -0500
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Play this or die
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970401225500.006856dc@ici.net>
>So next time
>>you accuse a band of selling out.. try to keep in mind that the band
>>does NOT have final say in what hits the shelves and it may not be their
>>fault.
>
>TOTAL BULLSHIT, no one put a gun to their head and said "PLAY THIS OR DIE"
Well, that's sort of an extreme example, but what if the record company
came to them and said "Play this, or go back to making sandwiches for a
living"?
It's just like in any job. You do whatever is necessary to avoid pissing
off the guy who signs the checks. The fact is, it *is* all about money,
when you get right down to it.
-----
________Pat Sullivan__________________________________
E-mail: psull@ici.net
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
IRC: DDictator
NP: Tool - "Aenima"
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:22:04 -0600 (CST)
From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 80's early 90's music
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970401221551.29982B-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>
I also still listen to the likes of Skid Row, Firehouse, and such and
even back to Europe and Def Leppard (I'm only 18 and I still remember
them) though I don't listen to them as much as I used to. Once I got
into DT my musical tastes expanded. Does anyone else here listen to the
Killer Dwarfs or am I the only one?
And a question: does anyone know the name of the bonus track on
Stratovarius's Episode? Is the bonus track normal because the place I
ordered it from didn't say anything about it?
***Rob***
rctaylor@uiuc.edu
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 23:36:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Kramer <CK78729@ltu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: playing live
Message-ID: <01IH7JHDKVBM8ZDZDE@ltu.edu>
Things I hate about playing live
-The hair always getting caught in my mouth and not being able to fix it.
-Local radio station announcers shouting "Are you here to party?"
-Tripping over my own cord and unplugging my bass.
-The inevitable farting sound from my bass cab, caused by a bad ground.
-The beer may be free, but it's only 10% beer, 90% water.
-When drummers screw up the beats and fuck up the rest of the band.
-As a bass player, I never, ever get my own monitor.
-People who always yell "Skynrd!" and "Slayer!"
-People who never yell "Dream Theater!"
-When the only other people in the club are the bartender and that ex-con
who always plays pool.
-People always show up late for our rendition of Maiden's "Losfer Words."
-Dropping my pick through the cracks on the floor of the stage.
-"Oh we can only pay $500 tonight. Come back tomorrow for the other $200."
-Playing in the winter at clubs with no heat.
-And most of all...
Nobody tapes my favorite shows for me while I'm stuck playing a shitty-ass
gig.
Just wanted to share that with my fellow musicians.
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:52:57 -0800
From: drkhoe@gestalt2.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Where can I find new Fates?
Message-ID: <199704020452.UAA00645@gestalt2.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Anthony LaSorsa said:
>I understand that the new album won't be out till April, but I'm curious as
>to what label it will be put out on. I know they left Metal Blade....
>Did they go with Magna Carta?
>Tony
EH??? They are still on Metal Blade...
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:54:14 -0800 From: drkhoe@gestalt2.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: true fans Message-ID: <199704020454.UAA00662@gestalt2.gmsnet.com>
True Fans are people who know when a band goes to hell...
HAHAHHA
QR has sold us True Fans out... that's a fact, not an opinion...
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 23:52:39 -0400 (EDT) From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: playing live Message-ID: <01IH7JWTFW8IB12BNY@alma.edu>
Things I hate about playing live:
Oh wait, I can't play live, because there are no other serious musicians within about a 30 mile radius of where I go to school, and I'm too busy with classes in my real, non-music major to try to seek out other people who would like to do something just a little bit original, instead of play fucking Sponge songs (not that there's anything wrong with Sponge!!!). yeah right. To the guy who dropped his pick through a crack in the floor, just remember, it could be worse. (I don't even have a place to practice) -Clark
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:55:33 -0800 From: drkhoe@gestalt2.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: STOP THR INSANITY! Message-ID: <199704020455.UAA00674@gestalt2.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, RubyRube@aol.com said: >PLease stop all the stupid arguments...can vs. us....vs > Europe......etc...... it's SO ridiculous.lets talk about music and DREAM >THEATER...and other JAM MATERIAL....please.....grow up.
Uh, one of the new rules of the ytsejam mailing list is no whining...
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:16:41 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: playing live Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970402001456.7903B-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Kramer wrote:
> Things I hate about playing live > > -Tripping over my own cord and unplugging my bass.
go wireless :)
> -As a bass player, I never, ever get my own monitor.
i hear ya on that one!!!
> -Dropping my pick through the cracks on the floor of the stage.
you're a bass player! picks are for kids!
> -"Oh we can only pay $500 tonight. Come back tomorrow for the other $200."
been there once too often.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:21:46 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: true fans Message-ID: <199704020533.VAA14713@odin.ax.com>
> True Fans are people who know when a band goes to hell... > > HAHAHHA > > > QR has sold us True Fans out... that's a fact, not an opinion...
Hrm. That's funny. I actually like the new album, and can still go back in time and pretty much rattle off every line from The Warning album. I've collected so many QR boots that people can't even give them to me anymore, and I only hang out with people who bear a striking resemblence to Geoff Tate. Gee, I must not be a true fan. Strange how they've "sold out" and I haven't seen a video or even heard their song once on the radio. Hell, Disconnected and Bridge were on the radio all the time after Promised Land came out. I still hear Silent Lucidity and Another Rainy Night all the time, and still I haven't heard a thing from the new album.
Damn sell-outs. :) KorgX3 a.k.a. ibanez@cyberhighway.net http://www.cyberhighway.net/~ibanez/index.html Disclaimer: The content expressed in the previous document is not the opinion of the author. The author is exonerated of anything written therein. Viewer discretion is advised.
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 22:57:54 -0700 From: Mark Hatch-Miller <ace@onfire.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RUSH!!! PHOENIX!!! Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970401225750.006908b0@onfire.net>
For anyone in the Phoenix area who hasnt heard yet they are playing Blockbuster Desert Sky Pavalion and May 7. Guess who has front row/backstage even before they are on sale(I have connections at Desert Sky, lucky me!!!)??????? Anyways, is Rush still doing the Evening w/ Rush, 3-hour thing like they did on the arena tour or is there an opening act? And who is it??
Anxiously awaiting my FIRST RUSH CONCERT!!,
Mark
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Deep RUSH Thoughts:
If the rides really were laughing at Lakeside Park, perhaps Neil really ought to quit smoking that stuff.
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:52:14 -0500 (EST) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Kramer <CK78729@ltu.edu> Subject: Re: playing live Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970402005112.22640B-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
You want to know what I hate about playing live? Playing with a guitar player who is also a keyboard player who writes your keyboard parts for you even though youare better than him and having to listen to him bitch and complain about every mistake and sing backups off key while he turns your keyboard down because his overinflated ego says that he has to be the loudest thing on stage. That's all.
Damon Fibraio Reach me at damon@shell.monmouth.com keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality professional dumb-ass "you can feel the waves coming on Let them destroy you or carry you on. You're fighting the weight of the world and no one can save you this time Close your eyes, you'll find all you need in your mind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time
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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 01:04:08 +0000 From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Prog magazines Message-ID: <B0000065987@chicago.orlinter.com>
At 03:56 PM 4/1/97 -0800, you wrote:
> speaking of which, you guys should really subscribe to progression. it's >got the latest info on tons of progressive rock bands. it comes out >quaterly (and hey, with this issue it came with a promo john wetton/geoff >downes cd.)
Also, Expose is another good magazine. I like Expose better because the reviews are more verbose, and each issue is jam packed with reviews on the most obscure prog releases.
Walter.
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 23:00:59 PST From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Angra Question Message-ID: <199704020609.GAA281863@out1.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 04/01/97 5:56pm -0800
Hi everyone,
to everyone that has a question about what Angra cd's to get.
The double cd for Holy Land, the second cd is a live acoustic concert recoreded at the FNAC in France. There's only 3 songs on it...the second cd is the japanese version of Holy Land, which has the extra song.
The BEST thing to do, unless your a total fanatic :) Buy the normal/domestic release of the cd...then, buy the Freedom Call EP. You get the japanese bonus track, PLUS 5 other songs, including a Judas Priest cover of Painkiller. Your lacking those 3 songs on that double cd set but well, taking this route, you get more for your cash. Of course, you can always just buy the entire damn thing.
I don't think that live at the FNAC disc is available on its own, at least I haven't seen it yet.
Mark/Stranger0 *You must unlearn, what you have learned, only then, will you have learned something. - Yoda, Star Wars *I have learned, that I know nothing - Mark Smeets *You have not yet completed your training - Yoda, Star Wars Check out the Megadeth Faq: http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/Front.htm My Page: http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:10:51 PST From: fish69@juno.com (James D Carey) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: true fans Message-ID: <19970402.011133.10167.0.fish69@juno.com>
This mentality makes no sense to me at all. *I'm* paying money for a=20 product the band is selling me. I don't owe them a damn thing. If anyone = owes anyone anything, the band owes its fans a little allegiance. I'm not = =20 suggesting that a group of musicians should make any music other than the= =20 music they want to on account of their fans. But here's a thought I have= n
Clark, You totally misread the point.. I'm not saying you have to go buy the album, listen to it and love it. I was trying to say that you should support them in their decisions to alter their sound and change there style, and take the good with the bad no matter what. Not support them in a financial sense. But to go and verbally degrade a band for releasing an album that does not match up to his/hers own personal preferences or expectations does not make sence and I would be hard pressed to call that person a "true fan" . From a personal stand point, I don't believe a band owes there fans anything, I think it's the reversal. Plus, the only thing a fan should really owe them is nothing but respect... nothing more, nothing less Plus, if DT decided to go soft country, or POLKA for that matter, I myself, would respect their wishes and support them in their decisions.. I know I may not buy the album, but I certainatly wouldn't scrutinize them all to hell for it. I'll be a die hard Metallica fan for the rest of my life, but I just prefer their pre-Black album material. Same with DT if it ever comes to those circumstances.
-ArchAngel
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:11:30 PST From: fish69@juno.com (James D Carey) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Being true to yourself Message-ID: <19970402.011133.10167.1.fish69@juno.com>
James said:
Well, if the musicians have any REAL integrity, they will not listen to t= he record company. FUCK the record companies! FUCK THEM!!!! Write and play = the music you love, and if you comprimise your integrity and put out what someone else tells you......well that just shows what kind of a person yo= u are. Are you a whore and a slave to the money, or are you real???! Maybe thats why DT isn't in the studio right now, huh?? =20
Thank you for partially making my point, DT does not want to conform.. therefore they are not making money and puting out an album and are set on Elektra back burner.. it's a sad state of sorry affairs, but true none the less. . In the record business unfortunately everything is money now... it's no longer about the MUSIC, it's about money. Who do you think a company is going to prioritize.. the really talented band that went to school and learned their instruments who's album go gold, maybe platnum at best. Or the cheesy 3 chord garage band from NYC who's music is so simple and so boring and will relate to all the MTV brainwashed teens and who's album goes triple platinum. You kinda have to do what the execs ask you to do, or you may be without a job, may have a job but not making money (ie: what Elektra is doin to DT right now) which is worse than having no contract because you are bound by signature and can't go look around to other labels without getting sued. Or you breach your contract and get sued for a couple of millions of dollars. It's alot easier to say "FUCK THEM" and then to say it and actually do it. I'm not saying I agree with this bullshit ideology (and far from it, I want to see DT release a new album as much as the rest of you) but more simply. I was just trying to offer an explanation as to why QR might not sound like what everyone was hoping for.
ArchAngel wrote:
> Hate to break it too ya, >the bands care about it's fans... not the record industry, they're in it >for the money. So if grunge is selling... then so be it, thats what >they're going to flood the market. Why? To get more money. So next time >you accuse a band of selling out.. try to keep in mind that the band >does NOT have final say in what hits the shelves and it may not be their >fault.
James wrote: TOTAL BULLSHIT, no one put a gun to their head and said "PLAY THIS OR DIE=
No they didn't, and I'm sure if they did.. there would be far less bands out there. But if ya want to release an album and not break contract, than ya have to satisfy the big dogs. What, you think a band writes and records an album and then BAM! It goes into post production? Nope, sorry, not the way it works. That album is heavily scrutinized and listened to by the record company management, and if he/she/they doesn't like it or it doesn't think it will sell, then ya go back to the drawing board..and this process keeps going on until the band produces something that fits the criteria or sounds a bit more like what they're looking for. -ArchAngel
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