YTSEJAM Digest 2412
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Maiden Double CD's
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
2) Fan loyalties
by Quazel Schmirt <jmlentch@mailbox.syr.edu>
3) Europe
by Steffen Barabasch <sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
4)
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
5) Angra Question
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
6) dream thaenima
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2409
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
8) d-man, skadz and bafu caught on tape in bizzare love triangle! news at 11!
by "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
9) Ivanhoe + American Educational System
by Glover <glover@dns.thewebcorp.com>
10) Skid Row/bootlegs
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
11)
by "Neal C. Hannan" <curtis16@ix.netcom.com>
12) Angra's Holy Land 2 CD set
by vanzin@dks.com.br
13) Re: Skid Row/bootlegs
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2403
by Symbolic66@aol.com
15) Being true to yourself
by James <rycher@pacbell.net>
16) Re: Americans? (NDTC)
by Symbolic66@aol.com
17) Re: Here we go again
by Symbolic66@aol.com
18) Re: Where can I find new Fates?
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
19) STOP THR INSANITY!
by RubyRube@aol.com
20) Biology 101
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 13:19:37 PST
From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Maiden Double CD's
Message-ID: <199704012032.UAA481441@out2.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 04/01/97 09:29am -0800
-An Iron Maiden question -- those double-disc bonus-disc sets
-that came out in the recent past... Have they stopped
-producing them? I've been looking around to complete my
-Maiden-collection, but all I can seem to find are the damned
-single-disc versions (good albums, but without the free bonus
-disc!). Just one more reason to hate the record companies (as
-if one more was even necessary).
They were supposed to have been discontinued in March, of 96.
I'm sure you can still find them. Go to CDNOW or some online
place that's big and check around there.
Mark/Proud to have a big ego
*You must unlearn, what you have learned, only then, will you have learned something.
- Yoda, Star Wars
*I have learned, that I know nothing - Mark Smeets
*You have not yet completed your training - Yoda, Star Wars
Check out the Megadeth Faq:
http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/Front.htm
My Page:
http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:25:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Quazel Schmirt <jmlentch@mailbox.syr.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fan loyalties
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970401161651.21378A-100000@gamera.syr.edu>
I just wanted to agree strongly with Clark regarding fan
loyalties. Although we are all loyal to a band (in this case DT), we are
so because of the music they create, not just the members. If they
suddenly create new music (as in drastically different), we can give it a
try but if we don't like it, then we no longer have a reason to be fans.
I know, for the most part, we all respect the members of DT and their
abilities but if they didn't perform music we enjoyed listening to, many
of us would no longer be fans because we are here for the music. Clark
really hit the nail on the head, and in a most intelligent way!
Jill ----------- Quazel
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 22:06:14 +0100
From: Steffen Barabasch <sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Europe
Message-ID: <yam7030.710.1462003040@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
Hi!
Of course Europe is better than everything else... (ZZAP - unsubscribed in a
heartbeat)
..simply because DT will be playing here ;-) Anyone who's planning to go to
one of the European shows, look into the German webpages (URL below) if you
need (or *have*) the addresses or contact numbers of the venues. Look into the
"Termine" page. If you have problems with the German texts and can't find the
info you need, just mail me.
One last word about the banned topic: If I helped to clutter the Jam with my
last post I'm very sorry. I should have sent it to private mail. Glad to see
some DTC here again.
Steffen
-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steffen Barabasch - THE MIRROR TheMirror@westend.com Deutscher Dream Theater Fanclub http://www.westend.com/TheMirror -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 17:56:59 -0500 From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970401175649.0079ae60@ionsys.com>
>mean come one, it boils down to two things. 1.) They whoop our ass in >hockey 2.) They're football and basketball teams suck. THERE!! How
WE WILL AVENGE OUR WORLD CUP LOSS!
For those of you who continue to rub in our loss in the WC, don't forget that we were without the best hockey player of all time (IMHO) in Mario, we were without the best young up-and-comer in the world in Paul Kariya, and we were also missing two other great players in Ron Francis and Ray Bourque. I think the only really notable absence from the US team was Roenick, and he doesn't compare to any of those 4 players. Not to mention that Glenn Sather is an idiot and tried to put together an Oilers alumni team. And then he had guys like Lyle Odelein on the team (where the hell was Sylvain Lefebvre?) Not to make excuses or anything. :)
As for football, the CFL has about 100 times more tradition than the NFL. Have you ever noticed that Canadian sports/leagues always have the biggest and best trophies and the most tradition? We have the Stanley Cup and the Grey Cup. You have...nothing! :) Also, a Canadian invented basketball. Anyway, personally I find football and baseball (though, the Blue Jays bandwagon was fun to jump on those 2 years) to be the most horribly boring sports I've seen. Basketball isn't much better. Hockey rules. Does it get any better in sports than the Stanley Cup playoffs? I don't think so. The playoffs epitomize what sports should be all about. NCAA basketball? Boooo.
>simple is it. Besides, why is it so important? I applaude everyone for their
Hockey is everything. Everything is hockey. GO LEAFS GO!
Disclaimer: This message is just random babble and has nothing to do with politics or USA vs. Canada!
BTW, too bad that Metallica rumour isn't true. IMHO.
Also BTW, am I the only one who thinks it's a bit strange DT don't seem to have plans to release a lot of the new songs? When I look at all the other great DT songs that were never officially released on albums, like Don't Look Past Me, ACOS (before they did finally record it), To Live Forever, Eve, etc., I see so much great music. It sounds like we'll either be seeing a ton of b-sides, or we'll be missing out on some great stuff. Anything by DT should automatically be recorded and released. Maybe they can give the songs they cut to Mike Bahr.
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:08:24 -0600 (CST) From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Angra Question Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970401170545.24735A-100000@comp>
Looking for some help here on Angra's 'Holy Land' CD. There are two versions of it that I have found, but I am curious as to the difference between the two and which one is the better one to get:
Angra -- Holy Land + Bonus CD (LTD) IMC260162 Import Angra -- Holy Land + 1 JAP232922 Japanese Import
Is the Japanese version one disc that has one extra track over the normal version, with the other version being that one disc (minus the bonus track) but with a second whole bonus disc? Which of these should I purchase to get the maximum listening pleasure? Thanks in advance for any help you guys might give me.
DrX
/-------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Join in the new game that's sweeping the country. It's called | | "Bureaucracy". Everybody stands in a circle. The first person | | to do anything loses. | \-------------------------------------------------------------------------/ \------ Ed : ereed@comp.uark.edu, drx@reich.uark.edu ---------------/
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 17:10:47 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: dream thaenima Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970401231047.0082cc98@mail.inlink.com>
> >Tool sure said it well, didn't they? "sure could use a vacation from this >bullshit, three ring circus siiiiiiiiiideshooooooooow...
.of freaks here on this hopless fucking jam we call ytse.. the only way to fix it: flush the user list away. any fuckin' time, any fuckin' day, learn to surf i'll see you all on alt.music.dt" :)
anyways, man, this sucks.. kts is going down now, i cant believe that boot bust was legit. well... a word of advice to you, get some friends together and do some bulk orders.. it works out well. i was lookin' forward to their next dt too.. :(
well, in the latest issue of I&W, the DTIFC mag.. derek states his main ambition for the next album and 1997 is to get more airplay and recognition. this very well means folx, dt going commercial, and it's something i'd highly like to see. how about you? its time we got a new thread round here ~Rip
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:31:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2409 Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970401182521.116582B-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Tue, 1 Apr 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> That's why I'm such a fan of his. I just like singers in the high range > for some reason - like Mike Majitevic of Steelheart - now he's hit notes > higher than any other man I've heard!
No shit. I saw them live and he even pulled that stuff of live. Amazing. I hear he owns a recording studio now, and I've heard rumblings of a Steelheart album in Japan only. For all you fans of really high-pitched vox (not screaming, just range) definitely check them out. They've got two albums released in the US: self titled, and "Tangled In Reins" (I perfer the latter). Think of the highest note you've ever heard JL pull off. This guy can go higher.
Richie
> P.S. Does anyone actually read the political shit on here? I don't, and I'm a poli-sci major. Take it to private e-mail.
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:45:59 -0500 From: "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com> To: "The Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: d-man, skadz and bafu caught on tape in bizzare love triangle! news at 11! Message-ID: <199704012346.SAA25294@brickbat8.mindspring.com>
sorry to waste such precious bandwith (snicker) but there are a few things going on you all might want be aware of. 1. Our favorite drummer (no, not neil) has an article in the new issue of PROGRESSION magazine. the interview was done right after Mike's Columbus (that's in ohio, kids) drum clinic. No, i won't post the article, but wanted to let you know it's out there.
2. In the same issue of PROGRESSION magazine, they give Lemur Voice a _GREAT_ review of Insights. If you want to see that, go to my lemur voice page (which is an official page, btw) and it's there.
speaking of which, you guys should really subscribe to progression. it's got the latest info on tons of progressive rock bands. it comes out quaterly (and hey, with this issue it came with a promo john wetton/geoff downes cd.)
3. As for the Angra asking, i have the Holy Land + Bonus Disc. It contains _holy land_ in it's entireity. there's a bonus song called "Queen Of The NIght" which is on the HOLY LAND CD. the bonus cd is a 3-track accoustic ep called "Live Acoustic at FNAC" which is about 17 or so minutes. you did ask.
4. Finneus Gauge news. According to Chad, the band's about half way done the album. There are a few songs that aren't _quite_ done yet, but when it's out, it's gonna do really well. the _offical_ finneus site is at:
http://www.ghostland.com/finneus.html
it's a great site.
anyway, hope that answers some questions, and i'll catch you all later.
* * * * * * * e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania! = http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx the offical lemur voice hompage: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur/lemur-main.htm
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 19:18:51 -0500 From: Glover <glover@dns.thewebcorp.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ivanhoe + American Educational System Message-ID: <3341A5EA.6910@dns.thewebcorp.com>
I've been hearing alot about a band called Ivanhoe on here, but can't find ANY of their albums, anywhere. Where should I look? Which album should I buy?
On a related subject....
<Ryanne <andrade@netcom.ca> wrote...
< So your statement that "most american's education levels far <surpass the education levels of Foreign countries", in my personal <experience meeting students my age FROM foreign countries, is WRONG.
Technically you are wrong. Compare American education levels to African or Asian nations, which make up the bulk of the world's countries. We surpass almost all of them.
<Next <time, please do your homework before spewing nonsense like that.
C'mon! "spewing nonsense"???? You don't have to be so hostile to another DT fan, especially when you are talking about a topic like the world's education levels. Be civil!
-Jeff Glover
P.S. If you want to flame me concerning education, e-mail me privately. I have already wasted enough bandwidth about it.
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 97 19:33 EST From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Skid Row/bootlegs Message-ID: <m0wCDzC-000B6gC@xcalibur.iinc.com>
I still bust out my Skid Row and other "80's-early 90's" CD's every now and then and I'm damn proud of it. I have 3 Skid ones- Slave To The Grind, B-side Ourselves, and Subhuman Race. Other bands like that that I love include Lillian Axe, Arcade, etc.
About the Mike Bahr CD's- hell, if the band supports them even in the very least bit, I'll buy them. No one said the band is totally against them so its not like I'm going against the ways of the band so why not? Hell, I'm now awaiting Precious Things and Darkest Of Winters!!
As for Kiss The Stone records, damn. If there wasn't a minimum order of 5 CD's, I'd buy some. I suppose I can find other Dream Theater boots.
DON-Compton mcauburn@iinc.com soulmadness@hotmail.com (for people sending pics, sound files, etc.)
Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 19:42:03 -0500 From: "Neal C. Hannan" <curtis16@ix.netcom.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970401194157.008305f0@popd.ix.netcom.com>
Send me your catalog soon, i want to buy many Van Halen discs.
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:02:22 -0300 From: vanzin@dks.com.br To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Angra's Holy Land 2 CD set Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.17.4.1.-12.2.22.2579404677.649525@dks.com.br>
Hey there,
YT>------------------------------ YT>From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com> YT>Subject: Angra, Bombay Vindaloo YT>1. Can anyone tell me what's on the Angra "Holy Land" 2CD set? I have the YT>single CD version, and would like to know if this bonus disc is worth buying YT>another copy. YT>------------------------------
I've seen that somewhere before (I have the single one too), and I think the 2nd CD was the complete acoustic presentation in France (there are only 2 songs in the songle version). Is that it???
[]'s Marcelo Vanzin Sใo Paulo - Brasil vanzin@dks.com.br vanzin@dreamt.org http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ อออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออ
DarkStar Multimidia BBs Telnet: dks.com.br Fone +55 011 870-1888 Internet, Gameconection, Games, ShareWare Fone/Fax +55 011 870-3444
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:09:38 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Skid Row/bootlegs Message-ID: <199704020109.UAA18988@newman.concentric.net>
Don Compton wrote,
>As for Kiss The Stone records, damn. If there wasn't a minimum order of 5 >CD's, I'd buy some. I suppose I can find other Dream Theater boots.
Good luck, man. It seems that boot bust has shut down a LOT of manufacturers, and the ones who didn't get busted are going back into the woodwork for a while. It will become REALLY hard to find boots of all kinds. I'm sure this will make Heather happy, though. Right newbie? :P
-Rick
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:18:22 -0500 (EST) From: Symbolic66@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2403 Message-ID: <970401201655_-967582601@emout05.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-03-31 02:08:49 EST, you write:
<< What is the capitol of North Dakota? Who is the owner of NBC? Who is the 37th President of the U.S. ? What is the name of Elvis Presley's home and where is it located? What is the largest state is area, NOT population? >>
hey! those questions arent fair! i was born in delaware (in the us by the way...) and i can only answer one of those!!! maybe im just ignorant...but i doubt most americans know those questions
brian (symbolic) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/5578/home.htm
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 17:18:17 -0800 From: James <rycher@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Being true to yourself Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970402011817.0069f4f4@pacbell.net>
To whoever it was that wrote the following.... >I'm sorry, but I consider a person who's a true fan to be with the band and >like them and support them no matter what musical change they may make. >Not someone who jumps off the wagon just because they "changed their >sound" went "grunge" or another popular term "commercialized". You >should take the good with the band and except it for what it is, not >degrade it for what you think it should have been.
Come on.... PLEASE!!!! If it sucks (in my opinion), I won't listen to it. What can I tell ya?!? I have loved some bands for years and when they put out an album that blows, IT BLOWS! I am not going to be a fool and listen to it anyway just to be loyal- sorry. And particularly, if it's a band I have admired for a long time, of course my expectations will be higher thats just human nature!!
> Another question, >who's to say "(insert band name here) sold out" or "went commercial" >Hello folks, I'd hate to say this, but a band's album is scrutinized >heavily before it hits final production. The brass and head honchos in >a company have final say, and if they told QR or DT to produce something >thats more in with todays musical style of whats selling, they HAVE to do >that or it's considered a breach in contract.
Well, if the musicians have any REAL integrity, they will not listen to the record company. FUCK the record companies! FUCK THEM!!!! Write and play the music you love, and if you comprimise your integrity and put out what someone else tells you......well that just shows what kind of a person you are. Are you a whore and a slave to the money, or are you real???! Maybe thats why DT isn't in the studio right now, huh??
> Hate to break it too ya, >the bands care about it's fans... not the record industry, they're in it >for the money. So if grunge is selling... then so be it, thats what >they're going to flood the market. Why? To get more money. So next time >you accuse a band of selling out.. try to keep in mind that the band >does NOT have final say in what hits the shelves and it may not be their >fault.
TOTAL BULLSHIT, no one put a gun to their head and said "PLAY THIS OR DIE"
James
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:22:34 -0500 (EST) From: Symbolic66@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Americans? (NDTC) Message-ID: <970401202105_-1034729064@emout19.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-03-31 11:24:28 EST, you write:
<< > Now, I'll probably get about 1000 flames for bashing the US. But let me > just say right now, that that is in no means what I'm trying to do. >>
hey...i welcome bashing the us...but um...whats that got to do with dt or music at all? hehe...i dunno...i would love to hear a dumb american joke rather than the endless dumb pollack jokes...whatever...
brian (symbolic) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/5578/home.htm
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:24:07 -0500 (EST) From: Symbolic66@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Here we go again Message-ID: <970401202256_-1135078141@emout05.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-03-31 11:47:18 EST, you write:
<< >What is the largest state is area, NOT population? Texas. >>
nope! its alaska! remember...stewards folly or something like that...haaha dumb ruskies! wes gots the oil now mofos! haha
anyway...
brian (symbolic) http://www.geocites.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/5578/home.htm
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:24:33 -0600 (CST) From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Where can I find new Fates? Message-ID: <199704020124.TAA08071@tundra.winternet.com>
> > I understand that the new album won't be out till April, but I'm curious as > to what label it will be put out on. I know they left Metal Blade.... > Did they go with Magna Carta? > Tony > It is on Metal Blade.
Nathan Bradley -------------------------------------------------------------------------- savaweb@winternet.com Savatage Fan Web Pages Trans-Siberian Orchestra Web Pages www.winternet.com/~savaweb www.winternet.com/~savaweb/tso --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:26:51 -0500 (EST) From: RubyRube@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: STOP THR INSANITY! Message-ID: <970401202625_-1537315049@emout06.mail.aol.com>
PLease stop all the stupid arguments...can vs. us....vs Europe......etc...... it's SO ridiculous.lets talk about music and DREAM THEATER...and other JAM MATERIAL....please.....grow up.
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:33:24 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Biology 101 Message-ID: <199704020145.RAA12755@odin.ax.com>
> are those rare cases of abnormal sex chromosomes XXY, XYY, etc. (see > Aliens3). Even these technically have only have 46 chromosomes, just a > mixed up sex gene. Jamie Lee Curtis (A Wish called Fonda) is one of those > rare individuals who should be male (genetically), but have developed into > functionally normal women.
Your talking about a condition called trisomy X there I believe where the women afflicted have three X chromosomes instead of the normal two. I also heard that these women are barred from the olympics because it would supposedly give them a "leg up" on the competition. Strange world, no? I happened to be paying attention in biology class one day. :) It doesn't technically make them masculine, but it gives them a crazy hormonal boost that makes them seem more manly. I don't think it provokes facial growth or hairy chests, though. :)
Learn something every day here dontcha? :) KorgX3 a.k.a. ibanez@cyberhighway.net http://www.cyberhighway.net/~ibanez/index.html Disclaimer: The content expressed in the previous document is not the opinion of the author. The author is exonerated of anything written therein. Viewer discretion is advised.
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