YTSEJAM digest 2411

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Tue Apr 01 1997 - 15:49:21 EST

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 2411

    Today's Topics:

      1) true fans
     by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
      2) Re: Angra, Bombay Vindaloo
     by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
      3) Re: Where can I find new Fates?
     by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
      4) Re: Us and Them (no, not the PF song)
     by brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
      5) Saigon Kick Information
     by Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
      6) YTSEJAM digest 2409
     by Neil Elliott <Images_and_Words@compuserve.com>
      7) Re: Angra, Bombay Vindaloo
     by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
      8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2409
     by rickbond <rickbond@concentric.net>
      9) Re: Us and Them (no, not the PF song)
     by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
     10) Record producer lectures at U.Miami
     by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
     11) Viper, Elegy, etc...
     by "Robin L. Campbell" <campbell@str.com>
     12)
     by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
     13) German Queen Mailing List
     by Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net>
     14) Makers of quality footware no more
     by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
     15) Reply to Jam 2410 Biology NDTC
     by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
     16) Right-on Skadz
     by "Kasper, Robert" <RKasper@aus.etn.com>
     17) Skid Row Relapse
     by cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
     18) Re: Dumb Americans?
     by Ryanne <andrade@netcom.ca>
     19) TO CARLO D'ANGELO, what is the SS number?
     by Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>

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    Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 12:10:30 -0400 (EDT)
    From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
    To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
    Subject: true fans
    Message-ID: <01IH6UNDHT9QB12AVG@alma.edu>

     now... can't expect them to bang their heads forever." I'm
    > now... can't expect them to bang their heads forever." I'm
    >sorry, but I consider a person who's a true fan to be with the band and
    >like them and support them no matter what musical change they may make.
    >Not someone who jumps off the wagon just because they "changed their
    >sound" went "grunge" or another popular term "commercialized". You
    >should take the good with the band and except it for what it is, not
    >degrade it for what you think it should have been. Another question,
            This mentality makes no sense to me at all. *I'm* paying money for a
    product the band is selling me. I don't owe them a damn thing. If anyone owes
    anyone anything, the band owes its fans a little allegiance. I'm not
    suggesting that a group of musicians should make any music other than the
    music they want to on account of their fans. But here's a thought I haven't
    seen anyone bring up before: Does it seem like maybe it's a little dishonest
    for a band to completely change it's sound and keep the same name?
            I'll try to give an example. I've never really even heard any QR, so
    let's pretend that DT's new album is mostly reggae. Do I think that they owe
    it to their fans to continue to write progressive rock if what's really in
    their hearts now is reggae? Absolutely not. They should make whatever music
    they want to. However, I DO think that it would be dishonest to their fans tp
    to sell this music as Dream Theater. This is just a name, but it clearly
    carries a certain implication with it as far as the style of music.
            Now let's see if I can remember what my point was. This is clearly an
    extreme example which would probably (hopefully?) never happen. But let's say
    it did. Would you (James D Carey) tell me that I should embrace this new
    reggae album and learn to love it simply because it's Dream Theater? I don't
    like reggae. It gives me a headache. Would you still love the album? If they
    continued to record reggae for the rest of their carreers, would you continue
    to buy their albums? I wouldn't. I really liked the example of the McDonald's
    soy burger that was posted a couple days ago. I realize that burgers are not
    an art form (to most people) and that music is, but the fact is that in the
    end what happens between me and DT when I buy their album is a business
    transaction. Someone put a price on that piece of art. When you walk into
    McDonald's and say the burger tastes like shit because they changed it, they
    don't say "Fuck you, that's the way we make them now" because you won't come
    back. Mcdonald's has every right to change their burger, but if they start
    serving shit on a bun, I'm not going to keep eating there just because I like
    what they used to serve.
            My point is, I suspect that if DT released that reggae album, you
    would say you love it, and I think that's sad. I say I am a DT fan because
    they happen to make a lot of music that I love, but I owe them nothing. I
    respect them for the musicians they are and also for they fact that they seem
    to have not let their minor fame get the best of them, but I certainly don't
    claim to love everything they've ever recorded. If they turn out a piece-of-shitalbum, I'm not going to "take the good with the bad and except it for what it
    is". I'm sure that there are people who would agree with your definition of
    "a true fan", but you know what? I have no interest in being a "true fan"; I
    have a life of my own to lead which is keeping me way to busy to put someone
    else on a pedestal and worship everything they do just because I happen to
    admire their musical talents.
                                    -Clark
    It would seem, however, that I do have time to write an entire essay on
    something that probably no one cares about. Sorry this was so long. :)

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    Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:12:54 -0500 (EST)
    From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Angra, Bombay Vindaloo
    Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970401120216.6834B-100000@digital.dreamt.org>

    On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Rick Audet wrote:

    > 2. Does anyone know if DT played Bombay Vindaloo at any time other than the
    > LatM show? Seems odd that among all the boots out there with DT jams, this
    > tune appears on none of them except this official release.

    My guess is no. I have a tape of the next show they did after that
    Marquee show, which was in Providence, I think. They do a similar, but
    different, instrumental at that show. If I had to form a theory, it would
    be that they just sort of jammed something every night on that leg, and
    happened to include that one on LatM, meaning it needed a title. I could
    be wrong, of course. That's just my own little pet theory.

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    Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:11:12 -0500 (EST)
    From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Where can I find new Fates?
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.970401121024.1335D-100000@unix17.andrew.cmu.edu>

    On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Anthony LaSorsa wrote:

    > I understand that the new album won't be out till April, but I'm curious as
    > to what label it will be put out on. I know they left Metal Blade....
    > Did they go with Magna Carta?
    > Tony
    >
    Actually, I'm fairly sure they're still on Metal Blade. MB has a web page
    for them still, and it's up to date with the new album.

    -maximilian

    Anton Max
    MadMax+@cmu.edu
    http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html

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    Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:05:32 -0500
    From: brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
    To: " - (052)ytsejam (a) ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Us and Them (no, not the PF song)
    Message-ID: <0010200000160089000002L092*@MHS>

    > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 12:22:58 -0500
    > From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
    > To: ytsejam@ax.com
    > Subject: Re: Americans? (NDTC)
    > Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970331122258.00af6b90@pophost.fore.com>
    >
    > As an American, I agree with much of this post, and like you, I was
    > confused that an American actually posted that the U.S. educational system
    > is the best, when we have so many illiterate and unemployed people here.
    > However, you simply can't argue the fact that the U.S. has made the most
    > advancement in our short 200+ years of existence. In the past century
    > alone, the U.S. discovered flight, crossed the Atlantic by air, put a man
    > on the moon, and sustained life in space for 6+ months. These are the
    > greatest advancements since the invention of the wheel. Plus, we have
    > Dream Theater.
    >
    > KAI
    >

    Aaaahhhh! I can't stop myself from responding to this one. I know it's NDTC.
    I know it doesn't belong on the jam. My left arm just isn't strong enough to
    keep my right hand off the keyboard.

    The American PUBLIC education system is pathetic. When I finished with public
    schools, I was amazed that I could spell my name. However, in PRIVATE
    education we're not too bad. At the University level we're fairly even, and
    once you hit Graduate School... Last I saw there were more people from other
    countries enrolled in graduate programs in the US than people from the US.

    And just to blast a few holes in your technology argument...

    In the high profile space exploration arena:

    1) We never would have made it without Werner von Braun, inventor of the V-2.
    2) The Russians had the first satellite (Sputnik)
    3) The Russians had Yuri Gagarin (sp?)
    4) The Russians have the most powerful launch vehicle ever built, Energia.
    5) Mir is still in orbit setting micro-gravity duration records.
    6) Skylab crashed into Australia over 10 years ago.
    7) The ESA has the most reliable launch system in the world.
    8) The Space Shuttle is pretty damn cool, but VERY expensive to launch.

    The US is the Microsoft of the world. We steal everyone else's ideas and
    people and claim that they were ours from the beginning. For some strange
    reason, the whole world has been buying it for over 200 years.

    "Briiiaaaaan!!" "Kiiirrrrrrk!!"
            - Joe, Wings - Khan, Wrath of Khan
    brian.kirk@usvgi.mail.abb.com
    bkirk@blkbox.com
    Write me. If you dare!

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    Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 12:33:03 -0800
    From: Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Cc: rush@syrinx.umd.edu
    Subject: Saigon Kick Information
    Message-ID: <199704011732.AA25324@gateway2.prudential.com>

    Hello!
            My thanks in advance to the list moderators for allowing me to post this.
            As there is not one currently in existence, and the fan base is fairly small (to
    my knowledge), are there any folks interested in helping me create or simply joining a
    SAIGON KICK MAILING LIST. I would only maintain it for the transmission of any important
    info from management and the band, much like the Dream Theater Voices list is
    (supposedly) run.
            If you are interested mail me at: andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com. Just put a
    subject of "SK" and a message saying your level of interest, i.e. help to create, just
    joining, etc. and your full name.
            Keep in mind the purpose would be information distribution, not free-writing for
    the musically omniscient. Also, if you know of others that would be interested, feel
    free to forward this note to them or other band mailing lists (remember not to forward
    the whole digest). Please let me know if you do so what lists you've sent it to. Please
    do not place this on any government or business related distribution lists. The project
    may have to be cancelled if this is done.
            When I get enough names, I will contact the band's management to demonstrate
    that there is some interest, no matter how insignificant. I say this to reinforce the
    idea that this has, right now, only a possibility of coming to fruition. As the number
    of names grows, maybe we'll get something more formal with the band and expand the
    list's parameters.
            Thank you again to the list moderators for letting me post this.

    Andrew Forcier
    andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com

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    Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:40:27 -0500
    From: Neil Elliott <Images_and_Words@compuserve.com>
    To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: YTSEJAM digest 2409
    Message-ID: <199704011240_MC2-1390-8841@compuserve.com>

    >today, i heard about some rumours, that Dream Theater played a gig with
    Tony Braxton. Can >anyone say me something about it.

    No you 'Fool', you got it mixed up. Toni Braxton played a gig with DT. As
    the new member in the band it was felt necessary to make her feel
    comfortable with the new material before recording the new
    album!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Avril Le Fou

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    Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:41:47 -0500 (EST)
    From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Angra, Bombay Vindaloo
    Message-ID: <199704011741.MAA13017@newman.concentric.net>

    At 09:32 AM 4/1/97 -0800, you wrote:
    >On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Rick Audet wrote:
    >
    >> 2. Does anyone know if DT played Bombay Vindaloo at any time other than the
    >> LatM show? Seems odd that among all the boots out there with DT jams, this
    >> tune appears on none of them except this official release.
    >
    >My guess is no. I have a tape of the next show they did after that
    >Marquee show, which was in Providence, I think. They do a similar, but
    >different, instrumental at that show. If I had to form a theory, it would
    >be that they just sort of jammed something every night on that leg, and
    >happened to include that one on LatM, meaning it needed a title. I could
    >be wrong, of course. That's just my own little pet theory.

    Last show of Second Leg:
    04/23/93 London, England Marquee
    First show of Third Leg:
    05/15/93 Warwick, RI Rocky Point Park (Galactic Cowboys)

    Providence...Warwick...close enough, right? Your theory makes sense to me.
    Now you must ask yourself, would DT approve of you owning that tape? j/k :)

    -Rick

    Anxiously awaits the arrival of PT.

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    Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 12:44:02 -0500
    From: rickbond <rickbond@concentric.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2409
    Message-ID: <33414962.7CCE@concentric.net>

    > From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
    > Subject: DT, Michael Sweet, HitNF
    >
    > Are there any other fans of Stryper/Michael Sweet out there? I got
    > Michael Sweet's 2nd album Real. It is as mellow as the first solo album.
    > I love it though. IMHO Michael Sweet has one of the most emotive voices.
    > That's why I'm such a fan of his. I just like singers in the high range
    > for some reason - like Mike Majitevic of Steelheart - now he's hit notes
    > higher than any other man I've heard!

    YES!!!! Stryper! Steelheart's cool too. Got both their albums. I've
    recently gotten onto a Stryper kick. Love 'em. I wish they'd get back
    together. I've heard Micahel's new albums and wasn't too impressed. I
    hear that Robert is in a new band too. A Christian Thrash band called
    "King James". Have yet to hear it though. I miss Stryper. They're
    awesome.

    Take Care

    Rick Bond

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    Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:46:50 -0500 (EST)
    From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Us and Them (no, not the PF song)
    Message-ID: <199704011746.MAA15177@newman.concentric.net>

    At 09:33 AM 4/1/97 -0800, you wrote:

    >Aaaahhhh! I can't stop myself from responding to this one. I know it's NDTC.
    >I know it doesn't belong on the jam. My left arm just isn't strong enough to
    >keep my right hand off the keyboard.

    That's too bad, Mr. Kirk. Victim #1: Bzzzzzzzzzzt.

                      UNSUBSCRIBE YTSEJAM BRIAN KIRK

                                  NEXT?!

    -Rick

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    Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:25:48 -0500 (EST)
    From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Record producer lectures at U.Miami
    Message-ID: <199704011825.NAA01388@newman.concentric.net>

    People in the South Florida area might find this of interest. You can still
    go even if you are not a member of the Audio Engineering Society. I used to
    be the Chairman of the U. Miami section, and we never checked ID. I'm sure
    they don't check nowadays either. Anyway...
    ----------------------------------------------
            On Wednesday, April 2 at 7:15 PM in Volpe 103, the Miami Chapter of AES
    will be presenting Tom Morris, of Morrisound. Mr. Morris has produced such
    artists as Toxik, Whiplash Ludichrist, Crimson Glory, Coroner and
    Kreator. As an engineer, Tom has enjoyed working on a wide variety of
    musical styles including the Dixie Dregs, Steve Morse Band, Savatage,
    Saigon Kick, Chuck Owen and the Jazz Surge, Jeff Berlin and many more.
            In 1995, Morris was hired to engineer and produce the debut album
    for 7 Mary 3, which became his first Gold and Platinum recording. Morris
    recently finished producing the second 7 Mary 3 album for Atlantic
    Records which has a May release date.
            We hope you'll join us for this meeting. (FREE FOOD to follow!).
    If you have any questions, I can be contacted at:
            akurtz@students.miami.edu
    ALEXIS KURTZ
    Chairwoman
    AES Miami Chapter
    akurtz@students.miami.edu
    ----------------------------------------------

    -Rick Audet

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    Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 12:42:18 -0600
    From: "Robin L. Campbell" <campbell@str.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Viper, Elegy, etc...
    Message-ID: <199704011843.KAA07888@odin.ax.com>

    Hey Gang,
            Does anyone have any info they could tell me about ELEGY? I heard a
    dexcription of this band somewhere and it sounded very interesting. Is there
    possibly a site somwhere with some audio clips, etc.? Any insights appreciated.
            Also, did I read somewhere correctly that VIPER is the previous name
    of ANGRA? If so, how is the VIPER stuff compared to ANGRA? Anyone have any
    of their albums under that name? Info? Anyone? Thanks.
            Only a couple weeks til the new Fates!!!! Nuff said about that!

            Anyone have any info about the new ENCHANT release? I know it has
    been released in Europe (I think), and I remember hearing something about
    the US release in summer?? Is there a date set?

            Thanks a lot gang, but hurry up with the info, cuz I am soon going
    to join my brothers on the mothership. The comet is calling me home to the
    Next Level. Hale-Bopp is here and soon you will all be recycled. The garden
    must be replanted!

    -rob

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    Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:03:09 -0500
    From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Message-ID: <v01540b00af670b163cef@[128.197.8.244]>

    >I have not seen the Twix comercial but this is my guess. The dialogue "Dr
    >Davis Dr Davis telephone please .... Dr Blair.........." is probably taken
    >from some widely available sound effects compilation. (at least this is my
    >cousins opinion and he's a sound guy!)
    >I know this because we noticed this same Dialogue ("Dr Davis Dr Davis
    >telephone please...." and later "Dr Blair Dr Blair..." ) on the track T'n'T
    >on the album Dr Feelgood by Motley Crue. It is the exact same
    >voices/dialogue as in Operation Mindcrime - although the dialogue has been
    >chopped up a little and different other sounds are present over the top.
            Someone told me that they heard the same thing on a rerun of _The
    Cosby Show_.

    >2. Does anyone know if DT played Bombay Vindaloo at any time other than the
    >LatM show? Seems odd that among all the boots out there with DT jams, this
    >tune appears on none of them except this official release.
            According to the unoffical setlist file that's been floating
    around, they played it before and after the date it was recorded for the
    album. I think it was played four or five times around April 1993.

    Jeff Falk
    Box 3208
    700 Commonwealth Avenue
    Boston, Massachusetts 02215
    (617) 352-8639
    jefffalk@bu.edu

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    Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:03:33 -0800 (PST)
    From: Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: German Queen Mailing List
    Message-ID: <199704011903.LAA08184@norway.it.earthlink.net>

    This came from the Queen list. I know we have German jammers here and
    some of them may be Queen fans.

    >Calling all German Fans!
    >
    >There is a now a German Queen Mailing List run by Bernd Pscheiden. It's still
    >very small, but hopefully it'll increase soon. So anyone who speaks German
    >and is interested is invited to join this list.
    > More infos from Bernd: e-mail: BerndPsch@aol.com
    > website: http://members.aol.com/BerndPsch

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    Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:03:20 -0500 (EST)
    From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Makers of quality footware no more
    Message-ID: <199704011903.OAA16762@newman.concentric.net>

    Kids,

    Those of you who may have been thinking about buying such fun-filled DT
    boots as Mind Control, Dream Out Loud, or Lords of Sound will have a hard
    time, because the manufacturer of these discs (Kiss The Stone) has been shut
    down, apparently from the recent bootleg sting that went down in Florida.
    They are getting rid of excess stock until the end of April, and their
    prices are now $12 a disc, but the minimum order is 5 discs. Glad I got mine
    when I did. :P

    -Rick Audet

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    Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:11:37 -0600
    From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
    To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Reply to Jam 2410 Biology NDTC
    Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/001BE871@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>

    Quoth 2410...That fact is... every human being (except down's babies) have
    46 chromosomes. That is what makes us human.

    Reply... Actually even those afflicted with Down's syndrome (21 trisomy
    being the most common form) have 46 chromosomes, they just have a duplicate
    bit of genetic material on chromosome 21. Most humans with aberrant genetic
    forms have 46 chromosomes, its just that genes are scrambled a bit. There
    are those rare cases of abnormal sex chromosomes XXY, XYY, etc. (see
    Aliens3). Even these technically have only have 46 chromosomes, just a
    mixed up sex gene. Jamie Lee Curtis (A Wish called Fonda) is one of those
    rare individuals who should be male (genetically), but have developed into
    functionally normal women.

    -Randall

              email: Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com
    **"I'm looking California and feeling Minnesota" from "Outshined" by
    Soundgarden**

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    Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:58:19 -0500
    From: "Kasper, Robert" <RKasper@aus.etn.com>
    To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Right-on Skadz
    Message-ID: <c=US%a=_ATTMAIL%p=ETNWHQ%l=EXCHANGE-970401195819Z-9534@sentry.bev.etn.com>

    Way to put your foot down, Skadz!

    On another note, HitNF is really growing on me. "Hero" reminds me alot
    of older David Bowie - anyone else catch this from listening?

                    Rob

    "Everything is True. Even false things are True."
                            - Malaclypse the Younger, O.P.

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    Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:49:12 -0600
    From: cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Skid Row Relapse
    Message-ID: <19970401194627026.AAA233@cmustard.vonl.com>

    Ahoy,

            Here's one I methinks you will all enjoy. Walking out to my car from
    school today, i saw a tape on the ground and picked it up.... Skid Row
    self-title! Yow! So i picked out the grass from inside the casing, blew out
    the dirt, rewound some of the tape back into its spOOL, and popped it in...
    you know, some of the songs on this tape are still pretty cool... it's
    always strange how you will remember lyrics after so long... some of the
    solos are pretty good too.... I still have this tape with my def leopards,
    poisons, whitesnake's, etc somewhere in my closet with all my old tapes.
    I'll have to bust some more of these out sometime.... thought I'd share
    this on the jam... figured someone else has had the same experience.... or
    is missing their Skid Row tape? hehehe In that case, I don't know anything
    about it.... nope.
       
                                                      · • Colonel Mustard • ·

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    Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:16:42 -0500 (EST)
    From: Ryanne <andrade@netcom.ca>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Dumb Americans?
    Message-ID: <199704012016.PAA07831@tor-srs2.netcom.ca>

    Yah, I'm a few jams behind, but I *had* to comment on this.

    >From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
    >Subject: Dumb Americans?

    >Most Americans' education levels far surpass the education levels of Foreign
    >countries. This is due to our countries dedication to acceptable education.
    > I know of 2 Japanese people who came to the US to be educated
    >because our University system is so wonderful.

    Ummm, no. As far as I know, the Foreign education system far surpasses that
    of North America. And *that* is why so many people here go overseas to
    study. And that's also why most overseas students are finished school long
    before someone from North America finishes school. I personally knew a guy
    at the beginning of highschool, who came to Canada from Europe, is the same
    age I am (at the time, I was 13 and in grade 9), yet I was stuck in grade
    nine courses, and he was bumped up to taking grade 11 courses. Right now,
    I'm still in highschool taking grade 12 and OAC (grade 13) courses, and that
    dude is in university already. As well, I've got relatives in Europe who
    come visit each year, one of them is my age, and she's doing work that she
    received in highschool that would be equivalent to a second year university
    course here. So your statement that "most american's education levels far
    surpass the education levels of Foreign countries", in my personal
    experience meeting students my age FROM foreign countries, is WRONG. Next
    time, please do your homework before spewing nonsense like that.

    Yeah yeah yeah, I know, this has absolutely no DT content. So sue me. :)
    Here, I'll stick something in here related to music (even if it's not DT),
    the new QR is growing on me every day. I just about returned it the day I
    bought it, however now I'm glad I didn't. I happen to be really enjoying it
    now, it was just a matter of giving it more than a few listens.

    Tool sure said it well, didn't they? "sure could use a vacation from this
    bullshit, three ring circus siiiiiiiiiideshooooooooow."

    Ryanne

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    Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:32:35 -0800 (PST)
    From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: TO CARLO D'ANGELO, what is the SS number?
    Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.93.970401122740.27315B-100000@mcl.ucsb.edu>

            
            Sorry to bug the jam about this, but Carlo, do you
            have a new 'Sentinel Steel' phone number or something? The
            one I have doesn't work anymore. I read that you just
            talked to him so....

            In case any US jammers are looking for a magazine to read
            about power/prog metal bands, 'Sentinel Steel' is an awesome
            zine which is well done for $4 or $5. It has a bunch
            of articles/reviews etc. I can give more info. if you want

            lauters
            Conrad

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