YTSEJAM Digest 2516
Today's Topics:
1) QR
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
2) James Story?
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
3) g3 album
by imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg)
4) the gentle art of making sence of yourself.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2515
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
6) Re: Any news on Crimson Glory/TNT reunions?
by Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2505
by "Andrew T. Forcier" <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
8) DT at MSG; Crimson Glory
by Perk1994@aol.com
9) Fates Warning & Dream Theater
by Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
10) My opinions, however worthless...
by "Andrew T. Forcier" <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
11)
by
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2515
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2514
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
14) Take Away My Pain
by Timothy Adams <adamst@egginc.com>
15) a very very unusual DT show
by jazzmin@ou.edu
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:17:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: QR
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970428111331.5301G-100000@bdmserver>
Tickets for QR at Nissan Pavillion went on sale Saturday at noon. I get to
Hechts at 5 of and there was only one person in line. This guy wanted
Tina Turner tickets though. He ended up not ordering and the lady said QR
tickets weren't up yet, but I ended up with 7th row in the orchestra pit
center. I was psyched!!!!!! I guess the fact that the Baltimore Sun had
no mention of the tickets going on sale had a part to do with it. Thank
God for the internet!
Eric Johnson at Bohagers in Baltimore on Wednesday. I saw that there will
be an opening act. Anyone know who they are?
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:31:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: James Story?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970428102100.21130B-100000@enteract.com>
I got backstage at the Awake show because DT's tour manager was
the shit. Anyways, while talking to the band, I mentioned to James that I
thought Awake was the best album I'd bought so far that year, and he was
quick to say "I don't know... wait till you hear the new Queensryche."
I think he's different on the stage than he is in person. I mean,
think about it. You're working your ass off (and any of you who don't
play any instruments or bother singing, let me tell ya, it IS work... just
very rewarding work), trying to do something very very precise, and shit
happens that screws it up, you may well get upset. I'm no tjustifying
yelling at people or anything... but I understand it.
> Prog is NOT dead. Start a band, and play some prog for your friends. We
> just might be able to start something huge.
Amen!
> Chris Ptacek is kicked out of the Fates hardcore club cause he didn't get his
> Fates on opening day... :P
"FUCK YOU DIE" :)
- Adolf "Cock Sucker" LaBrie
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:35:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: g3 album
Message-ID: <199704281535.IAA13421@odin.ax.com>
Got this from the Steve Vai mailing list. Thought it might be of interest:
>For all you Steve Vai fans out there who have been waiting
>for the release of the G3 live CD the wait will be over finally on June
>3, 1997. The track listing is as follows:
>
>Steve Vai
>
>1. Answers
>2. For The Love Of God
>3. The Attitude Song
>
>Joe Satriani
>
>1. Cool#9
>2. Flying In A Blue Dream
>3. Summer Song
>
>Eric Johnson
>
>1. Zap
>2. Manhatten
>3. Carmel's Night Out
>
>Jam Songs (Featuring all 3 players
>
>1. I'm Goin Down
>2. My Guitar Wants To Kill Your Mamma
>3. Red House
>
>
oOo
If a man could pass through
Paradise in a dream, and have
a flower presented to him as a
pledge that his soul had really
been there, and if he found that
flower in his hand when he
awoke - Aye, and what then?
oOo
Niklas
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:55:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
Subject: the gentle art of making sence of yourself.
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970428114421.1196A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> > >think he's just dandy? A comment about a DT member kind of follows into a
> > >grey area, particularly when Mindcrimer knows what reaction to expect.
> > >However Syrinx did not know that he was going to offend people with his
> > >opinions, and if he did, *I* didn't know that, so judging me based on this
> > >is inappropriate.
>
> Mike is an intelligent guy. He knows EXACTLY what to expect when
> he posts. Further, I think it's ridiculous to try and say that making fun
> of a musician who's respected by this list, SO LONG AS HE'S NOT A MEMBER
> OF DT, is okay, but making fun of a DT member is not okay. I wouldn't
> want to see you slip on that fence and crack a nad due to indecision. You
> can't take both sides, without being half as effective.
i think it's time i step in here.
i post a certain way for a certain reason: generally to
get a rection. whether it's positivly or negativly, it matters none to
me. i've seen too many posts where they just say "here's my opinion blah
blah blah" and that's it. the mark of any good newgroup (or newsletter,
as the jam is) is the thoughtfull balance between humor and worthwhile
conversation. let it be known that i have pissed off a member of dream
theater (and have since appologized for stepping across another line i
didn't mean to cross) and i have pissed a lot of you off.
the reason is simple: the more you diagree with sometning, the
more you'll try and show the others side your point of view...and
hopefully, that's done constrctivly. do i think chris went over the
line? yes. did i think that -i- may have gone over the line? perhaps.
notice the kind of issues that were brought up following the
post. some of them were moronic (lars, espically) and others really made
me stop and think. there's a reason i say "i welcome all intellegent
comments," mainly because i like to see the other side. only through
seeing the other side (not always agreeing with it) makes me not
close-minded; it makes me a better person. to quote a song from an old
hardocre band:
"there's no purpose in saying you're sorry
when you did what you thought was right
you can always learn to accept new ideals
if you can risk your hypothetical pride
i'm not looking to change the world
pushing politics is not my concern
i just have a wish to improve myself
i've realised there's so much more to learn
to act...to think..for myself...with no regrents
and to find what is real."
just something to think about. comment are always welcome.
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:02:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2515
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970428105229.21130D-100000@enteract.com>
> I have been reading all these posts for the past couple months about
> people's encounters backstage with the members of DT, and have been
> wondering "how'd they pull that off?"
Hahahah! If we told you, then we'd have to tell EVERYONE, and
then our tricks might not work by the time DT gets to US again! J/K
Actually, there's only two things you can do, I think. You either
have to know someone (i.e. a band member, a tour manager, concert
promoter, etc, whom I know none of) or you get to the venue several hours
early (if the show opens at 7PM, you are there at 2 PM.) so you are
present when the band arrives. I find it's rare that at any show the band
will use the side entrance to get in. Sometimes they use it to grab a
smoke during the opening act, and sometimes the shows are just too popular
and EVERYONE is there at 2 PM, but generally, the front dorrs are where
I do my begging and pleading.
Of course, at the Jason Becker Benefit, I was able to talk to the
mighty Greg Howe as he was waiting for a cab. No one else recognized him.
:)
Until recently, I thought it would be a good idea to wear a
Ytsejam t-shirt... but now I'm not so sure. I will anyways, but I doubt
it will help my cause next tour. :)
Take care!
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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 01:25:11 +0900
From: Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Any news on Crimson Glory/TNT reunions?
Message-ID: <199704281625.BAA13783@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp>
At 6:49 1997.4.28 -0700, Chung Ng wrote:
>I could swear that I read that there were going to be reunion albums by
>Crimson Glory and TNT (few months back). Any news on this would be greatly
>appreciated. I am starved for bands that I grew up with in the 80s...
Sorry. I don' have no info about new Crimson Glory,but let me tell ya
something about TNT.
They'll play tomorrow at our area (Osaka JAPAN). And latest album titled
Firefly is CRAP. Yes, there're 2 nice songs ("Daizy Jayne" and "Monthes Of
Sundays"), but most songs on this album are grungy songs. Can you believe
that? I think grunge days are over and it's very nice timing to move to
more artistic music. So I wanted them to play Morning Wood (Tony's post TNT
project with Al Pitrelli) style music. But this wasn't happened.....
Thanks.
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-Keiji Nishihara
Doshisha Uni. Electric/Electronic Material Lab. Semiconductor ARRAY
KYOTO JAPAN
Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp
tq0139@mail4.doshisha.ac.jp
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:32:26 -0400
From: "Andrew T. Forcier" <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2505
Message-ID: <199704281631.AA26510@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hey guys!
Just got back from a long weekend, plowing through a pile of
Fate-seejams (the subject tells you what number I'm on). Can someone in
ack mode do me a favor and tell me when the love/hate APSoG flame war
ends? My retinas are begin to melt... Or is that retinae...
Oh, and by the way, I don't have to read reviews of the new Fates to
know whether or not I'll like it, so you can stop offering them. I
believe custom has been in the past:
1) Jammer asks about band/album.
2) Numerous Jammers reply in Jam about said band/album.
3) Several Jammers ask for future reviews to be in private mail.
It's a valuable system, and it works well. I think we have gotten
everyone's impressions of the new Fates album. If I get to Jam 2515,
which is the last on in my box right now, and this hasn't changed be
prepared for reviews of the last three albums I got: INXS, Cheap Trick,
and QR. Yes, that's right ANOTHER HitNF review. You have been warned.
Maybe I'll go get another Chris Isaak album and review that too. I think
there's still one I don't have...
____________________________________________________
Andrew Forcier
--List Manager--
The Peppermint Tribe, the Saigon Kick Mailing List
For info, check out: http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~rfm5570/
or send e-mail inquiries to: andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:25:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Perk1994@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT at MSG; Crimson Glory
Message-ID: <970428132455_-998150908@emout09.mail.aol.com>
In Ytsejam # 2514, Chris White wrote:
>Anyway, I was watching the St. Louis vs Detroit hockey game today, and
during a >break in the action, the PA system played "SIgn of the Times" (or
whatever it's
>called). I was pretty impressed.. Now if they'll only play DT... :)
> Chris
I was at a few Rangers games at Madison Square Garden and they actually
played the instrumental section of "Caught in a Web" on the loud speaker.
When I heard it I jumped out of my seat, almost spilling my beer on the guy
in front of me!
LET'S GO RANGERS!
In Ytsejame #2515, Chung Ng wrote:
>I could swear that I read that there were going to be reunion albums by
>Crimson Glory and TNT (few months back). Any news on this would be greatly
>appreciated. I am starved for bands that I grew up with in the 80s...
Jon Drenning, Crimson Glory's guitarist, writes for my magazine (Sportsform)
as our Southern region correspondent and our sister publication (College &
Pro Football Newsweekly) as an NFL draft correspondent, and he has been
keeping me up on the Crimson Glory reunion. When I heard from him last, he
told me he was going to Europe to find a label. Midnight will not be singing
on the new album, but I've been told the new vocalist is very good.
Take care,
Adam Perkowsky
NP: Fates Warning "APSoG" Part IV
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:33:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fates Warning & Dream Theater
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970428133008.12999A-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Just a quick line to you all. I really love the New Fates Warning, a
Pleasant Shade of Grey. Incredible melodies, complex, Zonder's drumming
is incredible. And Kevin Moore on the keys. I keep getting the feeling
that I like this album far more than the new Dream Theater when it
eventually gets released. Just a gut instinct from someone who thought
Awake was great stuff when he first heard it, but I also like the recent
Fates Warning albums as well. That's all,
Mike
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:42:51 -0400
From: "Andrew T. Forcier" <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My opinions, however worthless...
Message-ID: <199704281741.AA00545@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello,
I'd like to begin by saying that I refuse to accept responsibility for
not knowing all of the information that was in the last twenty or so
Jams. I did not want to read all the Fates flames and thus skipped over
most of the material. That being said:
>Okay, here's what I'd like you to understand.
>It's lonely being a FW fan. This list is one of the very few places
>where we can talk about stuff like APSOG and find other people who...
And here's what I'd like you to understand: a month ago, I was feeling
the same way about Saigon Kick. No one talked about them anymore and all
my friends hate them. So what did I do: got off my ass and "created" a
mailing list with the help of other fans (check my sig). I'm not
knocking Fates in ANY way, but if there are so many fans on this jam,
why don't you help the BAND out and make a list. It helps gain support
for the artist: case in point, the petition may not have ever happened
without the Jam.
Some ignorant putz (Jacktallica Thetfield <thetgyi@BGNet.bgsu.edu>)
wrote about Megadeth:
>They don't need any freaks, because they are the freaks. And,
>regardless of how the video actually turns out, I don't think anybody
>gives a rat's ass:
I'll give a rat's ass: Are you volunteering yours? Dave Mustaine is a
man with his own problems, problems I can identify with. If you want to
trash him for having problems in a forum like this in the way you did
(there was more to his snippet than what's above), you are inviting my
anger and flames.
>But I just found it odd that Dave would feel the need to apologize for
>his past work.
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>I CAN'T FUCKING TAKE IT ANYMORE!
Scott! Don't tell me you're leaving? Who'll be my source of humor since
Ptacek is occupied?
Rip said:
>now i just gotta go check out chasing amy :)
Great movie! This and Grosse Pointe Blank are the two best I've seen
this year. That is, of course, not including the Holy Trilogy... :)
>That's _Ayn_ Rand (rhymes with "mine").
Spelling's Ayn, still pronounced Ann though. Unless you're Russian... :)
>I just received a shitload of ytsejams. It seems there are more posts
>bitching about "off topic posts" than there are actual off topic posts.
>Makes a hell of a lot of sense to me.
Really? 'Cause to me posting that doesn't. :P
>You know, it struck me why maybe there are so many damned flame wars
>here. I think at least half of the people who subscribe to this list
>are musicians themselves.
Actually, I'm a guitarist, not a musician. The difference: put a piece
of sheet music in front of me and I'll run way. Of course, this isn't
the case with all guitarists... :)
>Ozzy is pretty pissed about it, stuck to his guns (he could have easily
>dropped Manson and replaced the act), and is apparently thinking of
>suing the NJSEA for some reason.
Yes, Ozzy is suing with the help of the ACLU (God, I'm actually rooting
for the liberals here!). Its a freedom of expression issue and OZZFEST
is boycotting the state of NJ until the issue is resolved. More info:
http://www.ozzynet.com
>Eric Johnson in a couple weeks. He's playing at a club in
>Northampton, MA called Pearl Street on May 11th. Tickets are only
>$15-$20
I saw Dave Matthews here four years ago, and let me tell you: this venue
was amazing. The crowd was so calm, yet into the music, and the staff
was soooo non-harassing. Maybe things change, but I highly recommend
this place!
Jon Parmet said:
>Damn Rush. Why can't they just make up their fookin' minds?
That was funny as hell. A welcome break, thanks for the relief... Much
like this one:
>Top 10 Lines That Will Get You Punched If You're Stuck In An Elevator
>With Neil Peart.
>I've never heard "Disposable Heroes" live, but I have anewfound respect
>for Jaymz' picking arm strength.
I need the name of any boot that has both this and Creeping Death. My
thanks in advance!
>And yet, most of the Jammers are usually quick to dismiss punk as 'that
>crap'
Punk is in no way crap. Most 90's punk is crap. Most 70's and early 80's
punk rules. I won't volunteer my reviews, but get anything by The
Damned, The Stooges, or Sex Pistols. Good shit. Hey... does "good shit"
qualify as an oxymoron?
>I think "pop fans" are much more open-minded... They'll listen to
>*everything* that is played on the radio or eMpTyV. :-) (even if it's
>"crap" or "sucks")
The above is probably the single most intelligent statement I have seen
on the Jam in the last few months (not a joke). I commend Itchy for his
intelligence, and his balls in actually hitting send.
My friend Matt is a victim of pop culture and freely admits such, but
he says being so adaptable saves him money. He can listen to the radio
all the time and never worry about when the next "big thing" will come
along and he'll have to buy all new CDs. My other friend Ed hated Oasis,
until they got played every day on the radio, now he worships them. Yes,
Ed is a fool...
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:04:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2515 Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970428145926.150034A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
I could swear that I read that there were going to be reunion albums by > Crimson Glory and TNT (few months back). Any news on this would be greatly > appreciated. I am starved for bands that I grew up with in the 80s... > TNT does in fact have a reunion album out right now. It's called "Firefly" and it's only available as an import (to U.S. fans). Word is that it is pretty good, if you're into them. I only own "Realized Fantasies" (which I like a lot) and "Tell No Tales" (which is decent). It's quite possible that a lot of jammers will like them. They have DEFINITE prog elements, though they are mainly a melodic hard rock band. Great guitar player and a singer w/ excellent range.
Richie
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:20:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2514 Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970428150504.150034B-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > > Well, Take Away My Pain... Some quite powerful lyrics, but the music is so > > weak. A song about John's father's death, sounding like a Bon Jovi ballad. I > > expected a calm, sad song, but instead they did a bombastic, pathetic AOR > > track. Would you let a big band play "In The Mood" during your dad's funeral? > > No, of course, that wouldn't fit. And I think this song doesn't fit, too. > > It has the same happy feeling like Another Day, though this time everything's > > over. I just don't understand it!
I've said it before and i'll say it again, "Take Away My Pain" is my favorite of the new DT stuff I've heard and is destined to rank amoung my favorite DT songs of all time. The lyrics, like you said, are amazingly powerful: they're fairly simplistic (at least compared to other JP works like "Metropolis" or ""Voices") but the song is so personal that to dress the words up in fancy imagery or literary allusions would detract from it's intent. And as far as the music goes, I love BJ (Bon Jovi, that is:) and AOR also. It's definitely the most "commerical" song I've heard of the new stuff and it is also the most catchy. To call it "bombastic" I think is a huge exaggeration. It's not like they have german opera going for backing vocals or anything. It is an electrified ballad of the highest caliber. And as far as it not being appropriate as a song about death, I think we each deal with death in our own away. I wouldn't say that the song is "happy", per se; in fact, one of the things I love about the song is the contrast between "poppy" music and depressing. As for the Another Day comparison, I think it's fitting that both songs have a similarity, since at least it is my understanding, both songs have a connection to JP's father.
Richie
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:47:50 -0400 From: Timothy Adams <adamst@egginc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Take Away My Pain Message-ID: <s364c31e.023@wasc.egginc.com>
I see lots of people comment negatively about this song. I feel much different about it. That song just seems to touch a special side of me. I think it may be the way James sings it. It's full of emotion and he really gets it right. I know balls and chunck is where its at but I really think this song will be a real highlight on the new album.
-Tim
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 13:24:11 -0500 From: jazzmin@ou.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: a very very unusual DT show Message-ID: <3364ea62180f002@cliff.ou.edu>
Coupla nights ago I had the strangest dream.
Dream Theater was going to play a show, but their venue was the local Cloth World. (A typical place where you go to get fabric, sewing supplies, crafty things like that. Not a typical place for a concert.)
So there I was, doing my press thang and trying to get the band out of their "dressing room" (aka the manager's office). The truck was parked inside, and the sides came off -- voila! the stage!
So the band gets up to do their stuff, there are by now a whole lot of your typical metalhead fans, then some lonely stringy-looking blonde dirty guys in black, then a few women dressed in goth (like me I guess), lace and black spandex and denim or leather. Whatever. A lot of black, a lot of dyed hair. A lot of body decorations.
The guys didn't even do a soundcheck, and James got all pissed off, and then the others decided they'd just do air-guitar and instruments. They were all dressed alike in denim vests, jeans, and cowboy boots, and sat down in a row with their backs to the audience.
The crowd was really pissed and when the band went back to the dressing room the people just got up and walked out. I was so embarrassed, I felt like I hadn't done the promotions right (although I hadn't been hired to do it). I got up on stage and begged them to come out (the mics were wired into the store intercom). But by that time they'd already left.
What a depressing dream!
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