YTSEJAM Digest 2515
Today's Topics:
1) Dream Theater in Gross Umstadt
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2514
by jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
3) Backstage???
by jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
4) self-fulfilling fans
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
5) miscellaneous debris pt.Y - NLBC (no light bulb content)
by jerry@muc.de (Andreas Schaefer)
6) QR
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
7) SX
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
8) Any news on Crimson Glory/TNT reunions?
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
9) new fates
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
10) FW on Radio
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
11) Re: now you know, and knowing is half the battle
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
12) Re: Fates - NDTC
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
13) JP shirt
by imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg)
14) fates flames
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
15) 2512
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 11:53:32 +0200
From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de
Subject: Dream Theater in Gross Umstadt
Message-ID: <9704280953.AA00468@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
OK, so it's 10 days since the concert, but there has been all kinds of shit
going on here at work, and I just didn't have time to write anything longer
than a couple of lines. I also wanted to wait until the initial euphoria was
gone and I could be a bit more objective.
I managed to get special access passes for my girlfriend and myself. The main
adavantage of these passes was that we had access to the pen with the sound
and lighting guys: my girlfriend (who can't stand for too long since having
operations on both kness as a result of skiing accidents) saw the show from
a chair that was on a raised platform between the spot lights, and I saw most
of the show while standing next to the sound guys - excellent sound, great view
and no headbangers dropping dandruff into my beer.
Enchant didn't enchant me. Nothing objectionable about the stuff they played,
but it did nothing for me - a sort of progressive musak to be played in lifts
(or elevators). They sometimes sounded a lot like Fates Warning, who I'm not
particularly fond of anyway.
So, the familiar sound of 'The Rooster' came through the PA, the lights went
down, and then came the music from the film 'A Clockwork Orange' while the guys
came on stage - than all hell broke loose. I'd seen the band twice before, but
this had to be their best performance. James was on absolute top form: he's come
in for some stick from me in the past about not hitting all that high stuff live
(I still don't like it), but I couldn't find a single fault with his performance
this time. You all know the rest of the stuff by now - all of the guys having
fun, Derek fitting in great, great sound (not too loud for a change) etc. etc.
I liked the new stuff with the exception of - you guessed - 'Take Away My Pain'.
Oh yes, and Derek sang some shit for a while, but I don't know what it was
(something by Van Halen I think, but I guess that's reason enough not to pay
too much attention).
After the show we got to meet James, John and Mike and a couple of other Jammers
(hi, Steffen). I was surprised how small these guys are - Mr. Myung just about
came up to my armpit, and the others were also a good six inches shorter than
I expected. I took an immediate liking to Mike because he has a beer belly, but
he was drinking American beer, saying German beer isn't cold enough! We got
standard answers to standard questions - the only new thing I learnt was that
Mike has stocked up with enough Jaegermeister to keep him going for a couple of
years.
Summary: too good to miss.
The new Fates Warning debate, part 6237. Borrowed it, taped it, listened to it
4 or 5 times, taped over it. All images of stiff middle fingers should be
directed to the address at the bottom of this mail.
Do any of you computer freaks out there have any experince of SQL-based text
retrieval systems? Conntact me privately.
Hopefully I can find the new Tiamat album today. As soon as I find it there
will be a review - I'm really looking forward to this one.
How many chickes does it take to change a light bulb? Oh, fuck it...
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Pekka - The Mathematician's Air Display
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 03:20:36 -0700
From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2514
Message-ID: <v02130501af8a290c340a@[128.32.100.59]>
>Prog is NOT dead. Start a band, and play some prog for your friends. We
>just might be able to start something huge.
I can barely play guitar, but I really want to get something together so I
can show off how cool prog is to everyone out there. (This is a call to
all Cal Berkeley students who are into Prog and play instruments!!!) I
mean I listen to all this music and see all these bands and I am like,
"damn I want to do it too!"
Prog is NOT dead!!! I think if we all slam together bands we could start
something huge. I wonder, what was it about any of the time periods that
prog was "big?" And how can we bring it back? Thoughts to ponder...
-Shane
Currently listneing to: the hum of my computer
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I Shane Liebling I I was told there's a miracle for each I
I jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu I day that I try. I was told there's a I
I http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi I new love that's born for each one I
I CAA Tweeker & Ytsejammer I that has died... Love is the Dance of I
I Member of A.M.M.O. since 1997 I Eternity."Metropolis" - Dream Theater I
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 03:29:21 -0700
From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Backstage???
Message-ID: <v02130502af8a2bb6d441@[128.32.100.59]>
I have been reading all these posts for the past couple months about
people's encounters backstage with the members of DT, and have been
wondering "how'd they pull that off?" What I am trying to figure out is
how to go about getting backstage and seeing the guys (in anticipation of
the next tour). Hopefully someone can help me out. I mean is it totally
open and anyone can go or do you have to have passes or what? Thanks in
advance!
-Shane
Currently listening to: the hum of my computer
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I Shane Liebling I I was told there's a miracle for each I
I jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu I day that I try. I was told there's a I
I http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi I new love that's born for each one I
I CAA Tweeker & Ytsejammer I that has died... Love is the Dance of I
I Member of A.M.M.O. since 1997 I Eternity."Metropolis" - Dream Theater I
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:39:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: self-fulfilling fans
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970428080643.13410C-100000@pacman.rs.itd.umich.edu>
> That's one way of looking at it. However when I read it for the
> first time it didn't seem any more "inappropriate" as a review than the
> self-fulfilling truth fans who raved that it 'RULED' while still being
> vague and unconstructive. The only essential difference was that he
> didn't LIKE the album.
Hey, if you think the response from Fates fans was a) bad B)self-fulfilling
imagine how it's gonna get when DT finally releases their album.....
hell of a double standard you're setting there: oh, because *I* like DT,
it'll be ok when the whole damn list creams their jeans over "Lines in the
Sand" (MY PREDICTION FOR NEW ALBUM TITLE!, what's your guess?)
But, since, *I* could care less about Fates, everybody who likes apsog
does so because it's a self-fulfilling expectation.....
News for ya: I went into APSOG with some expectations, obviously, but I
wasn't prepared for what the album actually delivered......the first
fates i picked up was parallels, and for the longest time, it was
contending for inclusion among my all-time fave albums.....with their
earlier albums, I was really really keen during the first few first
listens, but some have faded in my head: still cool, but not
top-notch.........and Inside Out I don't really like as a whole album......
so i've got high/medium/and less than good ideas about Fates albums,
basically meaning that I wasn't sure what to expect from Apsog.......
therefore, for this album to emerge as the best damn thing I've heard in
a long time is in no way a self-fulfilling prophecy
(i can't be more *constructive* about it, because i don't know any music
theory BS.....all I know is that I like what i hear)
It, obviously, remains to be seen whether Apsog will hold up for
me -- there's that school of thought that claims stuff you like at
first blush will begin to bore before too long.....but right now, less
than a week after release, it's the early forerunner for best of 1997
in this mind
Which brings me to queensryche's recent release.....in my head, they're
among the 3 bands i consider co-faves (along with rush and DT) (OH NO!
Run! IT'S A TOP THREE LIST!)..........therefore to like, no.....go
fucking nuts over hear in the now frontier would be what i would have
considered a self-fulfilling fantasy.....Didn't happen for me, didn't
happen for a bunch of the list.....I like HitNF a lot,, got excited when
i heard sign of the times on TV (PA music, Kiel Center, St Louis, when the
Red Wongs were finshing off the Bllues yesterday), but I ain't thinking
"best they ever done...."
Basically, the whole point of this diatribe is that whoever wrote that
self-fulfilling BS owes the list an apology of sorts.....on the grounds
that all of us CAN determine what we like without trying to be "cool",
without having to follow the herd of Jammers,so to speak.....it's ok that
you don't like Fates, just don't assume we all are praising fates just
because it's the IN thing to do while there's nothing to talk about on
the dream theater front......
Partha Sarathi Mukhopadhyay
a) somebody remind me of this post when most of us are falling over
ourselves praising the new DT
b) if anybody actually read this whole damn thing, send me an e-mail, I'm
really curious
c) and gordon....it's FATES, not FATE'S
d) GO WINGS!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 14:45:06 +0200
From: jerry@muc.de (Andreas Schaefer)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: miscellaneous debris pt.Y - NLBC (no light bulb content)
Message-ID: <v01540b00af88efd68103@[193.174.4.141]>
Hi there,
great ytsejam lately.... talk about Fatez (which isn't available :( here
yet), DT Europe shows..
recommendations for some new albums:
Pretty Maids --- Spooked
(there were quite some fans of PM here on the list about two years ago...)
Melodic hardrock - great songs, some serious double-bass attacks, nice riffs,
and the keyboard and vocals (plus backvocs.) as hamonic contrast!
Imho their best release since "Future world"
Spock's Beard --- Beware of darkness
Thanks for all the hints on this band on the jam. Finest melodic prog,
some Yes-influences, but without the typical, sometimes annoying high-
pitched prog-vocals... I still like their first release "The light" better,
but check them out anyway..
Heaven's Cry --- Food for thought substitute
Prog on the edge to Metal - some really heavy guitar stuff going on there,
nice production and yet songs that stick in your ear - check out track 2:
"Out of me".
Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> wrote:
> Bruce Dickinson - Accident of Birth
>
>I've heard two songs from this so far (it's out on May 23rd in the UK) and
>they are great. I think this album will be his best solo album. Adrian
>Smith's guitar work is wonderful!
Is it going to be big when it's out?
Or do you think it will just flop...
and are we going to see both sides? (anyone remember Bad News?)
But seriously, I also heard two songs - this should be the best Maiden album
since Powerslave...
<me128-ba@calcium.ME.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
>"If it bleeds, then we can kill it." ---Dutch, "Predator"
"If it moves, we eat it" ---Kelly, "Married with children"
read you - jerry :--)
NP.: Rammstein - Sehnsucht (track)
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Andreas Schaefer jerry@muc.de
...bei 200 Grad 15 Minuten backen, und keine Eier! - Tool
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:10:26 -0400
From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: QR
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970428091021.007e3ea0@ionsys.com>
>I was watching the St. Louis vs Detroit hockey game today, and during a break
>in the action, the PA system played "SIgn of the Times" (or whatever it's
>called). I was pretty impressed.. Now if they'll only play DT... :)
I actually saw a Budwieser ad on TV yesterday for a Queensryche concert on
a Buffalo station. I don't recall ever seeing any ads on TV for their
Promised Land tour. Wow. It's a wonder what putting out an crappy album
full of simplistic songs that all sound the same can do for a band's image
and popularity. All of a sudden, Queensryche are cool again. <sigh>
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 06:27:54 -0700
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: SX
Message-ID: <199704281327.GAA00150@ms.kallback.com>
Thanks to all who told the jam about the relatively inexpensive german
version
of Divine Wings of Tragedy by Symphony X from Knights of the Round.
I got mine already and knocks the new FW out of the cd player for a while.
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 9:38:48 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Any news on Crimson Glory/TNT reunions?
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+RT8NnA@tcx.tcco.com>
I could swear that I read that there were going to be reunion albums by
Crimson Glory and TNT (few months back). Any news on this would be greatly
appreciated. I am starved for bands that I grew up with in the 80s...
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:59:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: new fates
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970428094759.3881A-100000@bdmserver>
Gordon speeled:
> Actually if you were capable of reading you'd have noticed I
>didn't flame the album--I haven't heard it. I flamed the people who flamed
>the person who didn't like the album, not because of anything he said, but
>BECAUSE he did not like the album. (that wasn't too fast for you was it?)
I dont have in front of me exactly what you said so... I doubt you really
have any clue what you are talking about anyway...
> I do not ask for respect from a wank like you. You hang around
>r.m.a.q. waiting for somebody to mention Dream Theater so that you can
>start a flame war there about how much better DT is than QR. If you
>respected me that would mean I was doing something seriously wrong.
I'm a wank eh? Your intelligence amazes me. I said you posted to just
start a flame war and it looks like you succeeded. Congratulations!
I haven't said a thing about DT is better than QR in months on there. And
when I did it was just to Mindcrimer and Monarch who constantly say DT
sucks. This in a QR newsgroup. Maybe you are the wanker and you just need
to pay more attention.
> Syrinx's original post was moderate. Ptacek and others chose to
>elevate it into a flame war. If you didn't recognize that you're either A)
>an idiot or B) sticking up for your friends, one of whom I must have just
>insulted. Either way, your opinion is noted and discarded.
It is one thing to say "I didn't like the album, it didn't do anything
for me". It is another thing to say "the album sucks, Ray alder can't
sing for sh*t, Fates Warning are a bunch of no talent losers". There is a
big difference there. If you can't understand this, then that is too bad.
This is the last I will respond to Gordon's speel. I dont have time to
waste on it and neither does the jam.
Sorry for the waste of bandwidth.
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:59:52 -0600
From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FW on Radio
Message-ID: <s3645cdb.033@IOMEGA.COM>
'lo
I hardly ever listen to radio because around here it's pretty much
dead. Even though this is supposed to be one of the heaviest glutted
markets in the country.
I was working outside, and had K-ROCK 108 on (SLC-Ogden). It was
just for background noise as I figured they wouldn't play anything
exciting when... I'm cutting this 2X4 and I hear a familiar piece of
music but not quite specific. The saw stops and I'm hearing "So Where
Do We Begin..."
At this point, it's a race between the saw and my jaw hitting the
concrete. Naturally, I crank the sucker up and I'm thinking, 'how far
will they take this?' Well, they played straight through part IV.
I wanted more, knowing Murder in Munich is coming, but the fact
they played any at all is a miracle. This happened Saturday
afternoon, I don't know what time.
So, Salt Lake City, of all places, has a station with BALLS, and
played Fates Warning.
I later heard PMU on there too. I think I'm listening more to this
station, they have my respect.
Further I must say, I have new respect for FW for having the balls
to release this thing, and even more respect for Metal Blade for
having the balls to allow them to record it and market it. This is
truly 'spit in your face' marketing.
Wilmo
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:00:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: now you know, and knowing is half the battle
Message-ID: <199704281400.HAA12112@odin.ax.com>
>
> LOL! just opened the new guitar mag, in the latest Rock and play II ad,
> john petrucci is rocking away onstage with his new PJM100-P3 and wearing...
> a GI joe shirt! its even got blue around the end of the short sleeves and
> neck hole. hahahah. actually i think it's pretty cool.
He was wearing that shirt during the Birch Hill Fix show...I
was watching him play, and I was thinking to myself, "Something
is different".....then I realized that he didn't have that all-
black ensemble with the white sneakers outfit going.....
I thought the shirt was pretty cool and remember, he had that
green Adidas shirt as well during the European Fix shows...
Grunge lives!!!!! just kidding, not grungy per se, just a
bit more modern fashion-wise......he's got my props........
-Al
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Take me to your world
I want to know if I belong there instead of here.........
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email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com
HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:04:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Fates - NDTC
Message-ID: <199704281403.HAA12166@odin.ax.com>
>
> Ostrich-boy wrote:
>
> > say that to my face and i'll flatten you like a fucking pancake, boy.
>
(remainder of mindless drivel deleted)
this is not a flame and doesn't single anyone out *cough*, but I was
just wondering if that YtseAsshole thing is up or not....
Don't remember if it was taken down or anything....just
wondering.........if it is up, I have a feeling that site
would get a lot of hits about now.....
On to some content....maybe Fates will shoot a video of the
entire song and sell it on videotape, then take a 5 minute
excerpt of a particular section to release as a single (unlikely)
or an MTV-type thing.........
-Al
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Take me to your world
I want to know if I belong there instead of here.........
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email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com
HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:36:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: JP shirt
Message-ID: <199704281436.HAA12637@odin.ax.com>
>> john petrucci is rocking away onstage with his new PJM100-P3 and wearing...
>> a GI joe shirt! its even got blue around the end of the short sleeves and
>
>hehe...He actually wore that at the 'Fix '96' Birch Hill Show...
At the clinic in Gothenburg he wore an Ytsejam-shirt!
BTW, has any of you Americanos (and I know there are a lot of you on this
list) heard (or heard of) a new Swedish singer called Robyn? I'm not saying
you should buy her album or anything, I'm just interested in knowing how she
is doing abroad.
oOo
If a man could pass through
Paradise in a dream, and have
a flower presented to him as a
pledge that his soul had really
been there, and if he found that
flower in his hand when he
awoke - Aye, and what then?
oOo
Niklas
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:49:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: fates flames
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970428104424.5301A-100000@bdmserver>
Gordon ranted:
>And I hope Al keeps his tapes :).
It doesn't surprise me that you would say this.
Why do you keep lumping people where they dont belong? Every post I have
seen from you mention me. Get off it, ok?
If you want respect then show some.
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:03:19 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 2512
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970428092712.21130A-100000@enteract.com>
> >From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
> >Subject: Flames Wars - please skip this message.
> >Why is it that when we hate something we're Adolf Hitler, and
> >when we like something we're cock suckers?
Because people aren't creative enough to call you a "stunt puppet
from the dark crystal"? :)
> >Well, I think that in an area of creativity such as music composition,
> >one must be prepared for differing viewpoints, and should be willing to
> >accept them.
Absolutely, BUT, some things are not meant simply as; rather, the
way some of the people on this list talk, I am still under the impression
that they're bored and looking to stir up a problem.
> >> Top 10 Lines That Will Get You Punched If You're Stuck In An Elevator
> >> With Neil Peart.
You KNOW it's funny if Adolf LaBrie laughed at it!
> > That's one way of looking at it. However when I read it for the
> >first time it didn't seem any more "inappropriate" as a review than the
> >self-fulfilling truth fans who raved that it 'RULED' while still being
> >vague and unconstructive. The only essential difference was that he didn't
> >LIKE the album.
Saying something is great is an opinion statement, just like
saying it sucks. Qualifying it with things like "Can't sing" makes it no
longer an opinion, but an attack.
> > I like Dream Theater enough not to care either way. But in a
> >borderline case like Fate's it often makes the difference.
I'm sorry to hear that. I would hope you could take the lead with
your own tastes, and not follow blindly what others say.
> >>> have been more exciting". Some people will say "Got the new album, Alder
> >>> didn't sing, it was BOORRRING". They are the same statement. If you find
> >>> problem with one and not the other, it is in fact you who has the problem.
> >>
> >>Just to be precise, one is an artistic critique, and one is a potentially
> >>insulting and disruptive opinion.
> > How so? They are equivalent statements. It's like saying something
> >in French and then in German. The meaning is the same, the mode of
> >communication is different.
In one instance, someone actually cares to explain why he formed
his opinion. In the other, the person is making a statement that is blunt
and arrogant. Even if you claim that both mean "I don't like Fates", one
is polite, and one is not. That does mean something. Let's hope you
never have a position in UN peace negotiations.
> > I do not claim to be mature by nature or in practice.
Again, you do make this claim when you act on your right to call
something like "The giant middle finger" so immature so many times.
> >if you are concerned about somebody seeing and reacting to your post,
> >make it private e-mail. If you post here, expect it to be read and
> >reacted to.
Let's not get into the realm of the absurd here. I fully expect
particular people to respond to particular things I say in my posts. But
unless I cross a line, I don't think I deserve disrespect. Mike thought I
crossed that line, so we went at it in e-mail. My point to you was merely
to say that I thought yur implications were out of line. Whether that
made you change, in any way, your actions, is up to you.
> >and in newsgroups get offended by things that are so minute (like say,
> >somebody ragging on Fate's Warning) in importance that it insults more
> >important issues by competing with them.
Music is the only important issue on this list. I hesitate to
call it minute.
> > We were doing well but I'll have to totally disagree with that. If
> >somebody says that Alder can't sing it is no more disrespectful than
> >having ANY OTHER OPINION on ANY OTHER ISSUE.
Wrong. What is he doing on the album? Even if you don't like the
sound of his voice, or the way he does it, you CAN NOT argue that he's not
singing, unless you invoke your Milli Vanilli Amendment.
> >think he's just dandy? A comment about a DT member kind of follows into a
> >grey area, particularly when Mindcrimer knows what reaction to expect.
> >However Syrinx did not know that he was going to offend people with his
> >opinions, and if he did, *I* didn't know that, so judging me based on this
> >is inappropriate.
Mike is an intelligent guy. He knows EXACTLY what to expect when
he posts. Further, I think it's ridiculous to try and say that making fun
of a musician who's respected by this list, SO LONG AS HE'S NOT A MEMBER
OF DT, is okay, but making fun of a DT member is not okay. I wouldn't
want to see you slip on that fence and crack a nad due to indecision. You
can't take both sides, without being half as effective.
- Chris
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