YTSEJAM digest 2822

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Tue Aug 05 1997 - 11:49:18 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) "You Not Me" *NO SPOILERS*
     by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
      2) Us or Them (yeah yeah yeah)
     by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
      3) Riff and arrangements...
     by Sebastjan Videc <Sebastjan.Videc@uni-mb.si>
      4) CAKEWALK and others wanted
     by Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
      5) re: Humph!
     by yzzy@theonramp.net (John Price)
      6) RE: Production...
     by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
      7) Re: Dream Theater CDs 4 Sale
     by "Jason T. Breitweg" <breitweg@fusebox.hanse.de>
      8) New DT album release in Israel
     by David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
      9) Prog metal fest?
     by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
     10) RE:Talking Shit about Dream Theater? and B&B
     by Matt Mommaerts <mattymo@inxpress.net>
     11) Pre Fates get together Aug 8?
     by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
     12) YNM
     by Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca>
     13) New DT song in my head.
     by Christian Albert Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com>
     14) subscribe
     by Scarred1@aol.com
     15) ICQ, survey,
     by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
     16) MPEG3 Players
     by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>

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    Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 04:48:51 -0500
    From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: "You Not Me" *NO SPOILERS*
    Message-ID: <33E6F703.117D@auburn.net>

    The only reason "You Not Me" was made openly available to the members of
    this list was so that 'jammers who had been waiting years to hear new DT
    music could get a little teaser that might tide them over until
    September 23. Negative comments about "You Not Me" at this time do
    nothing whatsoever to support Dream Theater. This is possibly the most
    critical junction so far in DT's career. Negativity is neither needed
    nor welcomed, even in a limited-access forum such as the 'jam. Don't
    look this gift horse in the mouth. Keep your complaints to yourself, at
    least until everyone else has a copy of FiI on which to form their own
    opinions and weigh them against yours.

    > From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
    > Subject: Humph!

    > You Not Me is the best piece of songwriting DT has done yet.

    I prefer Peruvian Skies, but then again, this is akin to asking whether
    you would rather have a night alone with Neve Campbell or Pamela
    Anderson. It's a matter of personal preference. And we know you're
    married - that was a rhetorical question :)

    Mark 

    -- 
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*  violence against women. The Japanese consume far more pornography  *
*  than Americans do, and yet there is almost no rape reported there. *
*   A woman is twenty times more in danger of being raped in the USA  *
*   than she is in Japan. Why? Because Japanese people are civilized, *
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    Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 12:56:26 +0200
From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Us or Them (yeah yeah yeah)
Message-ID: <33E706D6.69AE@westend.com>

    Wow!

    The Jam is becoming fun again! Tons of bashing and flaming. And all
about DT.

    > From: Joe Wright <jrwee@gator.net>
> crap that is out there nowadays.  I don't know if any of you guys knew
> this but the song was co-written by Desmond Child.  That probably
> explains the catchy chorus, not that DT can't write one, but it's what
> Desmond Child is known for.  That could be why the chorus sounds so
> different than the rest of the song.  Of course this is all imo (except
> for that Desmond Child part.  I got that from the EastWest promo that
> "You not Me" was on).

    WHOOPS! Ok guys, I have to apologise to the band and Kevin Shirley and
say
Desmond Child sucks! *big grin* At least it's not our favorite band's
fault.

    But I'm still wondering. Usually you decide to use an external
songwriter if
you think he could help you with a song. Who the hell thought there was
a
problem with the original version. Shirley? EastWest? Really strange.
There is
maybe the best band I've ever heard and these guys think they need help
from
Desmond Child? Yeah, now they've got *two* big names to mention...

    > The great example already mentioned is with Another Day, can you judge the
> rest of I & W on that one song ?

    No, if course, and I'm glad about that. But who bashed the album? At
least I
was just complaining about this particular version of one song. Well,
maybe
two songs. ;-) And when I see the news quoted above I have a reason.

    > Whatever happend to our Japanese jammers ?
> Do you guys know of the release date of FII in Japan ?

    97/9/25

    > this fucking kicks ass!!!!!!  I hope we all keep an open mind and wait
> untill the entire album comes out before we start jumping to any
> conclusions...  Thanks for listening... :)

    Yes, that's for sure! Don't expect too much, though. It's still Dream
Theater,
but it's *different*. If it's better or worse is just a matter of taste.

    > "awesome". I'm sick as FUCK of hearing people basically say that whatever
> was released would have been better if it was: Images & Words 2, Operation
> Mindcrime 2, Moving Pictures 2, Master of Puppets 2, and so forth. I
> imagine I'm being clear here even though the way I worded it above was a
> bit sub-optimal.
> 
>         You Not Me is the best piece of songwriting DT has done yet.

    If you referred to the part that apparently DT wrote themselves then I
could
agree...

    BTW, I like Promised Land and Ride The Lightning better. And I was very
satisfied with Awake. And I never cared too much for Rush at all ;-)))

    Very emotional discussion here. DT should be proud of their fans -
either
they defend them no matter what they do or they are afraid that they
might
make a mistake. ;-)

    On with the show,

    Steffen

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    Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 13:16:23 +0200
From: Sebastjan Videc <Sebastjan.Videc@uni-mb.si>
To: "No religion, just music and DT" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Riff and arrangements...
Message-ID: <33E70B87.C31CEA9@uni-mb.si>

    If any of you want or like, you can send riffs to me...
I can try and arrange stuff, but please if you record them in wav
format, try to use 440 Hz tuning, and write what's the chord progression
like... :)

    -- 
 /--------------------------------#---------------------------------\
/    Sebastjan Videc [StDeVil]    |   Sebastjan.Videc@uni-mb.si      \
#---------------------------------#----------------------------------#
\ http://tferi4.uni-mb.si/~videc  | I once could see but now at last /
 \_______(under construction)_____#__________I'm blind (KM)_________/

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    Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 13:15:23 +0200
From: Pedro Filipe <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CAKEWALK and others wanted
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970805111523.0066b344@mail.telepac.pt>

    1-Does anyone have a recent version of Cakewalk (preferably 5.0) or 
  know a site where i can download the program in separate files?

    2-Have you seen any new DT midi files or tabs?

    3-Does anyone have Steve Vai midis? I've been looking for these
  for AGES and couldn't find not even a single one. :(
 
4-Where can i download some DT bootlegs (in mp3, etc)?

    Pedro - currently listening to You Not Me backwards, 
and anxiously waiting for more...hhuhhh....just 
48 Days, 19 Hours, 43 Minutes and 23 Seconds to THE DAY! 

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| "Practice, practice, practice"                   - Michael Angelo |
| "Hello me, it's me again..."                     - Mustaine       |
| "Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrpp......"                     - Barney         |
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    Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 07:40:30 -0500
From: yzzy@theonramp.net (John Price)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Humph!
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970805074030.007abe30@mail.theonramp.net>

    durnik wrote:
>It seems like all people want in the world is for their 
>favourite bands to do the same thing again that they did before that was
>"awesome".
>

    	"paint another Starry Night again, man."

    without a doubt, durnik, you hit it right on the head.  *yzzy snickers*
*wave*
yzzy

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    Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 08:50:34 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: Production...
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970805125034Z-2683@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>

    Ernie wrote...

    >alternative-sounding vocals?
>
>/me scratches his head

    That's what it sounds like to me - more of a production thing than his
style, although it IS different sounding for him. Progression is good.
> 
>> Where the hell is Derek? Petrucci is almost non - existent ('cept for
>> the wah parts - gotta keep that "alternative radio" sound going), but
>> are there keyboards on this? I can't here anything but bass (how odd!),
>> snare, vox, and a bit of kick drum.
>
>/me digs a hole thru his head from so much scratching.
>
>JP is only 'non-existant' during most of the verses where he's mostly just
>doing fills...nothing wrong with that.

    Ummm, in the chorus he is playing these cool crunchy parts that _I_ can
barely hear. Maybe it's my computer speakers, but I hear a bit of crunch
underneath a blisteringly loud vocal track, and then the patented JP
chord arpeggiations.

    I guess I just don't like commercial mixes - I'm a "Balls and Chunk"
kind of guy.
>
>I can hear the keyboards quite well. It goes a little back in the mix
>during the chorus, but I can clearly hear what he's doing.

    On a re - listen, I see your point. I hope the thinness of the tones are
the mpeg recording, though.
>
>
>well., i guess it's a matter of nipples, i mean, opinions, but I found the
>production to be great. It sounds normal, and straight to th point without
>sounding sloppy...and most imortantly, it's CLEAR. I can understand what
>everybody's doing all the time.  That, to me, means good production.

    Yep, it's nipple time all right. We disagree.

    >
>> And who mixed this thing? Cripes... The band has a guitarist and
>> keyboardist, it'd be nice to HEAR them.
>>
>
>I hope you're exaggerating here, because I can hear the guitars and the
>keyboards VERY well.

    I can hear them very well, if I block out a SNARE that's louder than the
lead vocal track.
Sorry, I hate this kind of "radio - friendly" production, so I bitch
about it whenever possible.

    Having said all that, I like the song - this bodes well, since I
generally like singles the least out of every album.

    Mike
>

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    Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:42:52 +0200
From: "Jason T. Breitweg" <breitweg@fusebox.hanse.de>
To: Dreamline.7466@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Dream Theater CDs 4 Sale
Message-ID: <199707312042.WAA00840@fusebox.hanse.de>

    Hey Matt,

    I would be interested in the following CDs if you still have them
left.  Please get back to me about them.

        Matt> 2.Uncovered-Live at Ronnie Scotts 1/31/95-(2 cds)-$45.00 

        Matt> 3.Another Uncovered-Live at Phillipsdalle,Dusseldorf,Germany
    Matt> 2/11/95-$27.00

    How about $70 for both of them with postage?  I look forward to
hearingg from you, take care.

    Jason

    -- 
Jason Breitweg, breitweg@amzeus.desy.de, http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg
 "The time long forgotten will soon come again, prepare for the meeting,
                 the Gods of Metal reign" - HammerFall

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    Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 15:39:16 +0200
From: David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New DT album release in Israel
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970805153916.0084ebf0@pronet.it>

    I was in Israel and the shopman told me that the new DT's album will be
avaiable there in a week........is possible....?!?!?

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    Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 09:51:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Prog metal fest?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970805095021.9555A-100000@bdmserver>

    Mike Blevins wrote:
>BTW, there is some truth to the rumor that there's going to be a prog
>metal festival in Maryland later this year. That's all I can say, except
>for knowing that a popular band from Brazil is supposed to be playing...
>:)

    What?

    You are not allowed to give information like that and then say "That's 
all I can say"...

    |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|            Pat Daugherty    pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com            |
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|     "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater      |
|            "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files              |
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    Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 09:02:36 -0500
From: Matt Mommaerts <mattymo@inxpress.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE:Talking Shit about Dream Theater? and B&B
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970805090236.007600a8@inxpress.net>

    >Hmmmm,
>
>        Anyone ever notice that Ytsejammers seem to be the bitchiest most
>whining little ungrateful maggots ever to walk the earth?  Do you think
>Blind Melon fans bitch at the band and complain when they aren't satisfied
>with something?

    Ya know, I don't post much, but I did notice this...First it's years of
"when are they going to release the new album?"  "the record company sucks
cuz they won't make the new album" "why does it take so long for the new
album"  blah blah blah
Well, it's here, and the majority of posts is all bad news!  I haven't
heard ANY of the new stuff, I couldn't get the mp3 to download yet, I
haven't heard any of the Fix for 96 stuff, nothing...I have a feeling that
I'll like it!  After all, it IS Dream Theater!  I have never heard a band
compare to Dream Theater... they are obviously in a league of their own and
will stay that way for a while.  :-)

    As for Beavis and Butthead getting cancelled.... MTV did NOT cancel the
Show... the creator, Mike Judge said that they had their time and it was
time to move on.  There were already 30 episodes made that will still air,
and no more new ones will be produced.  The possibility for movies in the
future is there... 

    Matt

    mattymo@fox47.com
mattymo@inxpress.net
Personal Home Page:      http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo            
WORT-FM Mosh Pit page:   http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo/moshpit

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    Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 10:08:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Pre Fates get together Aug 8?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970805100452.9555B-100000@bdmserver>

    Well, what's the deal with the pre Fates Ytse get together this Friday 
August 8th?

    Someone should just pick a time and place to meet and if you can't make 
it then just meet up with everyone at the show.

    4 days until Fates/Divine Regale/Division/???

    Only 50 days until FII comes out...

    |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|            Pat Daugherty    pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com            |
|=======================================================================|
|     "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater      |
|            "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files              |
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    Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 10:20:57 -0400
From: Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YNM
Message-ID: <33E736C9.96A207DE@shaw.wave.ca>

    > that's missing 90% of all the solos?  Does anyone think about the
> possibility that the single that people have on their hands may not be the
> full song?  Does anyone care that the shit they talk on this list is read by
>
YNM is so bad that even if the remaining 10% was the second coming of
7:30-8:00 of Metropolis, the song would still suck.  And as for your
comment about Blind Melon fans, well, Blind Melon suck so much that I
don't see how fans can possibly be disappointed.

    When you release music of the quality DT has released in the past, you
have some pretty high expectations to live up to.  Just like when sports
team with a lot of talent underachieves, and puts out a sub-par product,
they should expect to be booed.  And it's always hysterical to listen to
fans who call up open line radio and say people should continue to
support the team and go to games and keep their mouths shut.

    And don't think it's only Grunge Theatre (Oops, did I write that?  That
should draw some flames... :) ) fans.  I recall a lot of whining when
Queensryche released HitNF... and if FII is as bad as HitNF, you better
unsubscribe for a few weeks when it comes out.

    I'm grateful for the new music, because I'll buy the album and go to
DT's concerts and support them just like I always have, and if I'm
spending money supporting them, I think I have a right to complain that
a song sucks.  But as I said before, if the majority of the new album is
good, and if YNM helps make DT a little more successful, then I'll live
with it, and just not listen to this one crappy song.

    Anyway, this doesn't change the fact that this is mostly Kevin Shirley's
fault.  I'd put Kevin Shirley in a fucking Trash Can.  The only good
thing he did here was make Myung sound awesome.

    > You Not Me is the best piece of songwriting DT has done yet.

    Whoa, that's a pretty strong statement.  And not true according to YOUR
criteria, Mike... this song doesn't age very well with me at all - I
listened to it about 3 times and now I can't listen to it anymore.  I
think Rush may be becoming my new favourite band, because their songs
age much better than DT's... and I've been listening to DT for so long
now...

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    Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 10:36:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christian Albert Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New DT song in my head.
Message-ID: <199708051436.KAA26129@brickbat8.mindspring.com>

    Hi...

            I got this nice sensation... the chorus of YNM won't leave my head... 
I usually hate it when that happens, because 9 out of 10 times it's
something I heard on the radio that gets stuck and I can't think of anything
else... but it's a lot nicer when that happens to DT. Some other DT songs
did that to me in the past, actually almost any in IaW can have that effect.
I think the new song is still aging pretty well in my head. God, I love
those harmonies.
        SOme CNG@tcco.com dude said that he saw in Guitar Player that Kip
Winger blamed Beavis and Butthead for their downfall... it was Reb Beach,
not Kip Winger, but I'm sure Kip could have said the same.
        And Eckie... they're gonna substitute Beavis and Butthead for The
Real World Part 999. The cast is gonna be a raver, Kim Thayl (you were
wondering what he was gonna do now), Hannibal Lechter, Margareth Tatcher,
the Spice Girls and an ytsejammer. Who do you think Hannibal will eat first?
        Ack. Enough of NDTC :-)
        It's all about yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooou... not meah.....

            ~KillMary

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    Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:06:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scarred1@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: subscribe
Message-ID: <970805110522_-1940574827@emout05.mail.aol.com>

    subscribe

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    Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:22:07 -0400
From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ICQ, survey, 
Message-ID: <199708051518.LAA17620@kira.ici.net>

    >Any jammers on ICQ? FYI this is a program that is able to tell you when
>your registered friends are online (if they load the program when on the
>inet of course) and you can chat ..exchange messages and other stuff...
>It would be cool to get a buncha jammers in there

    I have it, although it's been a wee bit unstable on my PC.

    The only problem is that since there are not "affinity groups" (like on
PlanetAll), you have to search for each person you want to add individually.
Plus, I would think it would get a bit unwieldy if you had an ICQ menu with
100 people in it. :)

    But heck, I only have 4 in mine right now, so...

    -----

    > My lowest voted were in the 2 vote section(no I didn't vote for the
> Spice Girls :).

    I had 2 entries in the 1 vote section (Vicious Rumors/Barren Cross) and one
in the 2 vote (Blue Oyster Cult). Who else picked BOC?

    -----

    >The moment you've been waiting for: The first Shirley-sucks post. Ok, maybe it
>wasn't *his* fault, but I need a scapegoat now!

    *That* didn't take long. I'll give it until a month after the album come out
for the "Who's worse - Prater or Shirley?" thread.

    Honestly people, if you don't like the songs, that's fine. Shirley didn't
record them. Lay the blame where it belongs.

    -----

    _____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________
E-mail: psull@ici.net
IRC:    DDictator
WWW:    http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
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    Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 21:55:49 -0300
From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
To: Freaks R Us <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: MPEG3 Players
Message-ID: <33DE9115.ECE950C4@geocities.com>

    Hi there,

    	I know much has been said 'bout that, but I'd like to add my $.02. 
	I use Mediamatics MPEG for Windows, and it works fine (you can get it
at www.mediamtics.com , I think). Taking a look at www.mpe3.com can
help, they have lots of links there.
	I also use MPG123 for Linux, and it works really well. If you have any
Unix system, get this (the link is at www.mpeg3.com ).

    -- 
[]'s
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