YTSEJAM Digest 2828
Today's Topics:
1) In Defense of Kevin Shirley
by Davidjon Sabetai <DAVIDJON@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
2) Re: Sick of people bitching- Waiting
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
3) you not me
by Thrak75@aol.com
4) Workouts and a very interesting web page
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
5) More YNM I finally heard it! and
by Matt Mommaerts <mattymo@inxpress.net>
6) Trust
by cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
7) Re: Basching, Holes, Tattooes
by eckie@asu.edu
8) Re: Trust
by eckie@asu.edu
9) Re: CD failures
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
10) YNM
by Jason Nixon <dumont@net-link.net>
11) Def Leppard
by Magnus.Lind@kunskapskretsen.se (Magnus Lind)
12) Primus
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
13) Re: YNM
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
14) I wanna bitch too ......
by gra@provida.no
15) That new song by those guys
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
16) Mumblings and Jumblings
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
17) F & J.
by Hein Vandenabeele
18) YNM, Bashing, Negativity
by Vince French <shi@auracom.com>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 04:34:01 +0000
From: Davidjon Sabetai <DAVIDJON@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: In Defense of Kevin Shirley
Message-ID: <19970806043341.AAC10509@LOCALNAME>
>Anyway, this doesn't change the fact that this is mostly Kevin Shirley's
>fault. I'd put Kevin Shirley in a fucking Trash Can.
Why are you immediately blaming Kevin Shirley? Do you how much input he had
on the album? DT must be held accountable for their music. BTW, I have not
heard You Not Me. Kevin Shirley could not force DT to record a special
instrumental section of Burning My Soul. The boys had to make it work. You
cannot cut and paste middle secions of songs and put them on an album. If
you have a problem with the new DT, tell it JP, JM, DS, JL and MP.
Isaac
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 00:44:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: DragynLMC3@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Sick of people bitching- Waiting
Message-ID: <970806004455_-221139999@emout19.mail.aol.com>
KorgX3 quoth and slayeth:
> >because I'll buy the album and go to DT's concerts and support them
> > just like I always have, and if I'm spending money supporting them,
> >I think I have a right to complain that a song sucks.
>
> Poser. :P _I hope James jumps of the stage and beats you over the head
with
> his microphone._ But what can I say? I don't like the way our governemt
> runs but I live here anyway.... Hrm... There's gotta be a connection
> somewhere....
Oh my g_d, i was dying!!!! ahh, im still snickering... that, my fellow, was
some very vivid funny shit there!!! ;} sigh...
anyway, id like to say that i was gonna wait to the album to come out, but
since my dear possessed puter seams to have eaten the MP3 player i
downloaded, as well as the younotme file, i shall simply have to join the
ranks of those patient (and not so patient) people waiting for Sept 23rd... i
will be one of the first people online at the music store on that day, rain
shine snow blizzard flood fire brimstone earthquake or apocolypse ;}
spellcheck? we dont need no stinking spellcheck!
my $.33 :-p
~Lisa
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 00:52:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thrak75@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: you not me
Message-ID: <970806005158_596157043@emout12.mail.aol.com>
it seems that someone here is way off on their jams.
can someone kindly direct me to where i too can hear "you not me"? i'd
appreciate it. thanks. private email would be a very good thing.
ytsegoon
******************************************************************************
*
david y. kobayashi
thrak75@aol.com
"now it's time for them to deal with me." -m. portnoy
******************************************************************************
*
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:47:47 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Workouts and a very interesting web page
Message-ID: <19970806035242.AAA8614@sni.pananet.com>
> "Okay, people, 25 D-Man Bitch-Slaps! And reach! Getthefuckoffthelist!
> Getthefuckoffthelist! That's it, come on people, stretch those wrists!
Get
> a good backhand flex going! Aaaannnd...Gotohellnewbie! Gotohellnewbiw!
> Work it, people!"
>
you forgot the "Readthefuqingfaq"'s
People, I don't know if this has ever been presented to the jam, but check
out http://www.dreamtheater.com
it's very, uh, interesting.
Ernie
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 00:02:52 -0500
From: Matt Mommaerts <mattymo@inxpress.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: More YNM I finally heard it! and
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970806000252.0075db60@inxpress.net>
>I'm no audiophile, but the mixing of the instruments is quite audible
>regardless of the quality of the recording. After all, the source of
>this recording was the CD. Also, while the tone is less crisp than on
>the CD, I can clearly hear that Derek is not very prominent in the mix,
>MP's snare is too loud, and that I don't like the way JP's guitar
>sounds.
Well, I don't know much about the specifics of Mpeg3, but I do know that it
has some major data compression here... any pause in the vocals of YNM you
can tell the compression is "scrunching up" the dead space. A lot of the MP
timing is off because of this too. You can hear artifacts similar to Real
Audio, this is by no means close to the CD version. Just think of how big
a wave file of comparable quality would be in MB, and look at the size of
an MP3 file. SOMETHING is getting lost here. Also, the cassette thing...
A cassette tape isn't data compressed, just on a hissy noisy tape. <g> All
of the music is still there.
I can totally hear Derek, the snare doesn't sound loud... what kind of
speakers are you using? the little white ones that you got with your puter?
granted, I don't have the best speakers, they are some Jensen's taken off
of a modular home stereo, running through a boom box, but I could plenty
hear Derek, and it didn't fight with the snares... Of course, if you think
the production sucks, well, that is your opinion, but my opinion is that
you should wait to hear the final uncompressed product on a decent sound
system before you judge that
as for my opinions? (I'm sure you ALL care to hear what a metal radio
programmer has to say... yea right) Well, I do think it's pretty
commercial, but I think a lot of the Prog is lost to part of the Mpeg3.
Not as heavy as I like stuff, but it's still DT, and I love it! No, it
didn't kick me in the ass like Awake did. This is definately gonna get
some airplay on commercial radio... I won't play it on my show (well maybe
for the first week)...I'll go deeper in the album. :-) But the stations
that play a lot of the Load CD and AC/DC all the time (Like 94.1 WJJO here)
will or damn well better play this! This is where it is supposed help to
be on a major record label, and to see how good the label really is... This
is their job to market this album to radio and retail. If they hire a lot
of promotion companies as well as their own departments (to market this
album), you will see a lot of Airplay... more than PMU, or CIAW.
Okay, that's enough... if that seemed all weird, it's cuz I multitasked
over about 4 hours to write! ;-) and I've been on IRC so much lately, I
don't type with much good grammar anymore. <grin>
my 4 bits (2 cents)
~matt
mattymo@fox47.com
mattymo@inxpress.net
Personal Home Page: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo
WORT-FM Mosh Pit page: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo/moshpit
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 00:22:00 -0500
From: cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Trust
Message-ID: <19970806051641519.AAA43@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
I do not yet have the .mp3 of You not Me, but regardless of whether I like
this song or not after hearing it, judge the whole album I will not, and
here's why: When one of the members of the band, in this case MP, says
that the album is excellent in his own words, I think I can muster up the
brains to TRUST the man. You can argue "Oh, but the sound is so
commercial, the new song sucks..." Shaddup. Even if it does, don't you
think one of the members of the band is worthwhile putting a little trust
in (and I trust very few people...)? If Trent Reznor came a' swaggerin' up
and had a quote on the net saying, "Yeah, I think the Dream Theater album
has a great sound." I'd be most skeptical and consider moving to Europe....
BUT.... the fact is that the man who hammers the drums of prog speaks of
what HE thinks of the album... someone who APPRECIATES real talent. I
trust the album not to suck. I trust the album to rule. Given that trust
is a risk, but I feel I'm investing in a good bet.
· Colonel Mustard ·
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 22:41:17 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Basching, Holes, Tattooes
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970805223043.2061A-100000@general4.asu.edu>
> Geez, first James LaBrie impressions, now the Basch Bash? Who wants to put
> together the Ytsejam workout tape?
>
> "Okay, people, 25 D-Man Bitch-Slaps! And reach! Getthefuckoffthelist!
> Getthefuckoffthelist! That's it, come on people, stretch those wrists! Get
> a good backhand flex going! Aaaannnd...Gotohellnewbie! Gotohellnewbiw!
> Work it, people!"
LaBrie: I don't (Chaotic-controlled High A) THIIIIIIIIIINK (Low H)
Sooooooooooooooo. It still sounds too (nut-busting high F)
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
Petrucci: ...since when did James have anything against homosexuals?
Portnoy: Hell if I know. I thought Bafu's post was fuckin' hilarious!
Petrucci: ...no, I don't know. That doesn't sound like the James I know....
eckie@aol.com: Me too.
eckie@aol.com: Me too.
eckie@aol.com: Me too.
eckie@aol.com: Oh, did I post that twice? I'm sorry....it won't happen again.
eckie@aol.com: Oh, did I post that twice? I'm sorry....it won't happen again.
Couldn't resist....
>;^)
If any of the DT band members actually read through this entire post, I
love ya guys fer what yer doin' 'n I can't WAIT to get Flipping Into
Insanity!
"Caught in my shoooooorts, the cut won't stop bleeding...."
~Almost Eckie
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 22:42:53 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Trust
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970805224154.2061B-100000@general4.asu.edu>
MYYYYY body AAAAAAAACHES from misTAAAAAAAKES,
Betrayed by Lust...
~Eckie KNOWS he's not the only one who thought that post was gonna be
'bout Deth
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 01:18:42 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: CD failures
Message-ID: <19970806052338.AAA10903@sni.pananet.com>
----------
> From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: CD failures
> Date: Tuesday, August 05, 1997 10:34 PM
>
>
> ...And the worst summer ever continues in full swing.
>
> Not only did my CDR drive fail, which I can at least replace (it
> should arrive sometime before the next century if the UPS strike ever
> ends) but I'm finding that about the last 200 discs I made before the
just one question: how will this affect TDOW shipping?
thanks,
Ernie
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 02:34:11 -0400
From: Jason Nixon <dumont@net-link.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YNM
Message-ID: <33E81AE3.4C39@net-link.net>
YNM is very cool IMO. It is 10x better than that shit 'Ryche put out.
I am so relieved if this is the worst it gets. I can't wait to see how
it sounds unedited. Yippy! I will be counting the seconds until 9/23!!!
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:12:42 +0200
From: Magnus.Lind@kunskapskretsen.se (Magnus Lind)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Def Leppard
Message-ID: <msg43.thr-a34.4c55fd@kunskapskretsen.se>
HI !
Itīs Magnus and I still think the mp3 song reminds me of Def Leppard
(melody and vocals).I donīt think itīs a sellout I actually like DL and
DT.I just thought it would be nice with some heavy metal prog shredding
aswell on the album.I hope Dt sells millions and millions of records
and becomes the biggest name in the world.But then not half of you guys
would like them anymoore ;^)
//Magnus
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 03:31:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: dmastrian@aol.com
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Primus
Message-ID: <199708060731.DAA22590@umbc9.umbc.edu>
I just read this <I know, it's late> and I thought it was really funny and
I had to share.
In an old guitar magazine <GuitarSchool, Aug 1995> there was an interview
with Larry LaLonde from Primus and the end of the interview went like
this:
LaLaonde: ...I hope you're going to edit this to make it look like I
know what I'm talking about.
Guitar School: I'm going to edit it so it looks like I know what I'm
talking about.
LaLaonde: Put a lot of stuff about strings and picks in there.
GS: What kind of picks do you use?
LaLonde: I use whatever the coolest ones are.
GS: So, in truth, your ultimate goal is to be cool?
LaLonde: Yeah. Put a lot of stuff in there about how shred is uncool,
and then we'll be totally hip. And something in there with me saying
something bad about Yngwie. These days, that's how you become cool in a
guitar magazine.
Well spake, Ler.
Trouble is, most of the readers <perhaps even the editors> don't even
realize that what Ler was not only slagging their magazine, but saying
that he believes that the very form of music deemed uncool <shred> is
actually more legitimate that the one adored by the people interested
enough to read the article.
Well, Larry DID used to be in a death metal band. Shh! don't tell the
kids!
And leave Yngwie alone!
Steve Z
:P
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 03:33:50 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YNM
Message-ID: <33E828DE.93@caribe.net>
Jason Nixon wrote:
>
> YNM is very cool IMO. It is 10x better than that shit 'Ryche put out.
> I am so relieved if this is the worst it gets. I can't wait to see how
> it sounds unedited. Yippy! I will be counting the seconds until 9/23!!!
Why is evyerone refering to the song being "Edited" ...in the track list
that was released Feb 27, the song was 5:55, ..but in the last one...
the one that listed the album trax, the song is 4:58, which is roughly
what the mp3 is...
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:44:22 +0100
From: gra@provida.no
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I wanna bitch too ......
Message-ID: <412564EB.002E8844.00@oslo1.provida.no>
An everyday thread on YTSEJAM:
>>Yeah - you f**king **shole!
>*clears throat* ahem.
>Fuck you, you fucking fuckfuck.
Now, that's really a mature thread !
I sense a bit of "If I met this dude IRL i'll kick his but" kindda thing
going on here !
Anywayz, some of you jammers are >> out the entire post your relpying on
this takes up a lot of space. I'm sure you're able to find a key sentence,
and only
>> out that part.... (more room for the above thread ....)
I've had some problems downloading thr YNM, my browser thinks it's a text
file
and displays garbage all over the screen. I know it might download from
another
site, but hey, who needs the song when you can get all this fun from the
'Jam ....
I think I'm going to buy the album no matter what ....
-.profile
[now playing: Aqua, Barbie Girl]
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 10:06:39 +0200
From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de
Subject: That new song by those guys
Message-ID: <9708060806.AA00323@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
here's a couple of pfennigs-worth from the country that brought you J. S. Bach,
Beethoven (my God, he's using vocals on his new symphony, he must have sold out
since he went deaf) and Wagner (the inventor of heavy metal operas).
Pfennig #1: there's the usual bollocks going around about radio stations. Take
a good look at your radio/receiver/stereo rack. Somewhere there will be a little
button or switch that has something like 'On/Off' written on it. If you don't
like what you hear on the radio, use that fucking switch, put on a CD/tape/album
that you do like and stop whinging.
Pfennig #2: I haven't heard the little tin-pot computer version of the new Dream
Theater song and I'll do my damndest not to. I've waited until now for the new
album to come out and hear the new stuff (OK, I saw the band when they came to
Germany) and I can wait another couple of months. Then I'll hear all of the
songs the way the band AND producer intended them to be heard.
Is anybody else secretly hoping somebody will write a post along the lines of
"...come on guys, don't forget Mike Portnoy might be reading this, what would
he think of us?"? Afraid that he might find out what we are really like, huh?
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Left Hand Solution - Fevered
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 18:53:07 +1000
From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mumblings and Jumblings
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970806185307.0072fd88@powerup.com.au>
Greetings,
Well, a bit to talk about, I suppose...
1. You Not Me is a great song. I didn't like it at first - very
disappointed in it, actually. But I gave it a few more listens and decided
that sounding like a Def Leppard song is *not* a bad thing, being a fan of
Da Leps and all...
2. Hearing that Desmond Child co-wrote the song mortified me. That's all
I'll say about that.
3. If this does end up being a single, I hope it does well for them. I
get the feeling that seeing as grunge and alternative is starting to die
out (it is, isn't it? or is that just me?) that good rock and metal will
become popular again. The fact that CMC are planning to release Bruce
Dickinson's single 'Accident of Birth' to AOR radio can only be a good
thing. Let the good times roll!
4. I'm listening to YNM at the moment - the chorus is now officially cool
by my standards. And Derek is very good.
5. Just one thing... everyone seems to be saying that the 'sell-out'-ness
of YNM is due to Kevin Shirley, but couldn't it be Derek's influence in the
band? This is the first song I've heard from the new material, so this is
probably nothing like the rest. Just thought I'd suggest that - I'm a huge
Sherinian fan, btw. Just seems that Kevin was the only new element in DT
that people were commenting on.
6. I saw 'Breaking the Waves' on the weekend, and was pleasantly surprised
to hear Jethro Tull's 'Cross Eyed Mary' in there. Then later on I heard a
bit of music that sounded very familiar. Turned out to be 'Love Lies
Bleeding'. Very good movie, btw. You won't forget about it in a hurry
after seeing it, even if the final shot does ruin much of the effect of the
believablility of the film.
7. I'm leaving the jam pretty soon (in the next couple of days) but I'll
be staying on Voices for any news. All letters of sadness and melancholy
via private email, please :)
See yis
Spiff
------------------------------
Date: 6 Aug 97 13:24:24 EDT
From: Hein Vandenabeele
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: F & J.
Message-ID: <9708061431.AA2438@NYC-NTGW-N02.ny.jpmorgan.com>
Yesterday I could listen to the new Flotsam adn Jetsam, "High". I very much
liked it. I am still very enthousiast about their "No Place For Disgrace"
album. Imagine, I bought it when I was something like 20, now I am 29, ans
still a trash fan... However, you can not compare this with DT and Rush, but I
still think that there is a place for this kind of music on this small earth.
H.
Other Belgian Jammers around ???
23 September ? It 's only a matter of time ...
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 08:50:42 +0000
From: Vince French <shi@auracom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YNM, Bashing, Negativity
Message-ID: <33E83AE2.614E@auracom.com>
I honestly have to say I am sick of the type of posts people put on the
jam. No wonder DT hates reading this mailing list. I've been on the jam
for about 4 years now, but don't post that often. The reason? A lot of
the feedback comes in a very negative way. Don't get me wrong. I want
to hear people's opinions, but there is a way, believe it or not, to
state your opinion without offending others.
Now, I don't want to single anybody out, nor do I want to include
everyone. There are some jammers who have very insightful and
intelligent things to say. However, there are some other people who
simply say things like "it sucks", "how can you like crap like that?",
"they're a bunch of wimps selling out", etc, etc. How can such an
outlook be taken in a constructive manner? I am by no means Mr. Proper,
but the one thing I've always remembered since I was a child was that
even while stating something you know others will disagree on, respect
others. Instead of saying "it sucks", why not "personally, I don't like
it."?? Is that so hard? We should be grateful that DT is such a
wonderful bunch of guys, and that Portnoy takes the time to keep us
informed as to what DT is up to, and we have access to a brand spankin'
new tune!!! How many other bands do that? (BTW, that's a rhetorical
question...I know there are some, but they are not the majority).
As far as YNM goes, I've heard it, and at first listen, I couldn't help
notice how different the vocals were in the verses. But the more I
listened to it, the more I started to like it. I appreciated it for
what it was.... You don't need to compare everything DT does, or
someone else for that matter, to a previous release or material. Bands,
just like people, GROW. They CHANGE. For better or worse, they
change. Personally, I find that much more exciting than releasing a
carbon copy of their previous effort. It really reflects this current
period in their lives. Not how they felt 3, 4, 5 years ago. Right
now. I can try to understand it, to learn from it, to absorb it. Life,
as is music, is about change. Music is the essence of life. Life is
the essence of music.
Vince French
------------------------------
End of YTSEJAM Digest 2828
**************************
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : Thu Apr 01 2004 - 17:59:44 EST