YTSEJAM Digest 2818
Today's Topics:
1) Everything about THE WAKE OF MAGELLAN... in german...
by "Michael Kohsiek" <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>
2) You Not Me
by Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca>
3) MP3
by Rocky Dean <iban@mindspring.com>
4) ICQ
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
5) Strapping young Lads?
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
6) new kid on the block
by Alendar Andrej & Vlada <alendaiv@EUnet.yu>
7) Mp3 help...
by Corey Bell <cmbell@inx.net>
8) KEVIN SHIRLEY SUCKS!
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
9) Bay Area Jammers
by King Of The Internet <skooc@earthlink.net>
10) whoa...Fates Warning Live!
by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
11) Re: KEVIN SHIRLEY DIE! DIE! DIE!
by "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
12) Burning My Soul
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE>
13) Re: Burning My Soul
by eckie@asu.edu
14) Trouble with younotme.mp3
by Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
15) Re: Mp3 help...
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
16) You Not Me
by Christian Albert Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com>
17) Fantasy Football-2 spots open
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
18) You not me MP3
by David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
19) MPEG 3 Players INFO
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:44:16 100
From: "Michael Kohsiek" <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Everything about THE WAKE OF MAGELLAN... in german...
Message-ID: <6F6425016BC@jurs1.jura.uni-osnabrueck.de>
Hi gyus!
If you want to read all the songtitles and my musical impression on
the new 'Tage MASTERPIECE (...) then you have to visit my homepage at
URL: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/5007
I'll see you there...
Michael
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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 12:02:19 -0400
From: Lars Hellsten <lars@shaw.wave.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: You Not Me
Message-ID: <33E5FD0A.BB877E3B@shaw.wave.ca>
Well, I love John Myung's bass sound, and the chorus is good... but
otherwise... well, no comment. <sigh> At least this will probably get
them some airplay though - this is by far the most repetitive DT song
I've heard. If songs like this help to score DT some commercial
success, then I"ll glady live with them. I just hope the >10 minute
songs are more prog than this.
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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 12:32:36 -0400
From: Rocky Dean <iban@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MP3
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970804163236.006a3224@pop.mindspring.com>
wow that new DT is awesome, love the chorus, it made me go download an mp3
player.. btw, if anyone has any dt boots in mp3 format, PLEASE let me know.
thanx
Rocky Dean
iban@mindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~iban
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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 13:24:02 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: El Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ICQ
Message-ID: <33E61032.4015@caribe.net>
Any jammers on ICQ? FYI this is a program that is able to tell you when
your registered friends are online (if they load the program when on the
inet of course) and you can chat ..exchange messages and other stuff...
It would be cool to get a buncha jammers in there
its free!
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 14:27:07 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Strapping young Lads?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970804142359.387A-100000@turing.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 2 Aug 1997 caber1@concentric.net wrote:
> My lowest voted were in the 2 vote section(no I didn't vote for the
> Spice Girls :). Who were the other people who voted for SLY, and WR?
> Email me.
Hey, is this SLY "Strapping Young Lads"?? Well, I saw the video
for "Detox" (is it the name of the album or of the song?? I can't
remember) and it seems really nice for headbanging... Man, I didn't hear
anything like this since Metallica's "Blackened"...
It's a bit noisy and a bit industrial, but it's interesting.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 20:07:55 +0200 From: Alendar Andrej & Vlada <alendaiv@EUnet.yu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: new kid on the block Message-ID: <33E61A7B.2EDA@eunet.yu>
Hi all! anyone interested in writting to Serbian headbanger into Megadeth,DT,Annihilator,Maiden,MH,Pantera-i`m here. if you have any information about activies of these bands in europe,or in balkans, please write to me.
wonder what happened with Maiden after the "X factor"?
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 14:01:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Corey Bell <cmbell@inx.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mp3 help... Message-ID: <199708041801.OAA29935@inx.inx.net>
Is there anyone out there that can tell me what I need to play Mp3's? I really want to hear the new stuff but I don't think my computer will play it. Are there any other versions, wav or realaudio, out there yet? Thanks in advance.
See ya, Corey
Check out my band, Joint Decision's, official website at home.aol.com/steviemyer
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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 20:18:18 +0100 From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: KEVIN SHIRLEY SUCKS! Message-ID: <yam7155.939.137091408@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
Yeah!!
The moment you've been waiting for: The first Shirley-sucks post. Ok, maybe it wasn't *his* fault, but I need a scapegoat now!
Why? I just heard the MP3 of "You Not Me" and it sucks. I'm not one of the progressive-hardliners who can't stand simple songs or something. It's because they totally ruined a potential hit-single!
Maybe some of you remember or even recorded the demo version during one of the clinics some time ago. Listen to this "old" version again, then to the studio version, and hear the difference. The original version was a kick-ass, groovy, heavy song. But now, the radio-samples which gave the song this cool industrial-touch, the simple but fitting singalong-chorus, all gone. Instead they did it again, inserted a boring standard chorus that doesn't match the rest of the song at all. (Listen to the different keys! Sounds like another song!)
Wake up, you listen to the chorus when you hear a song in the radio. But no one will care for a whimpy chorus like this! Maybe they want to stay under- ground?
Ok, maybe I'm wrong, maybe Kevin Shirley is the master of puppets and knows how to feed the masses, and I'm just one of those fans he said he didn't want to make this album for.
But I think the demo version was more catchy, heavy, accessible, and coherent. The song still has some strong moments, but the studio version sounds more like an early demo as the demo itself.
DISCLAIMER: This is my very humble opinion, so please don't feel offended. I never said you suck because you possibly like this song. It's not the song itself that sucks, either. It's just this VERY strange and weak version. I just want to know WHAT HAPPENED!
Now I don't DARE to imagine what happened to masterpieces like Lines...
Shocked,
Steffen - THE MIRROR
-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steffen Barabasch - THE MIRROR TheMirror@westend.com Deutscher Dream Theater Fanclub http://www.westend.com/TheMirror -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:53:56 -0700 (PDT) From: King Of The Internet <skooc@earthlink.net> To: Ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bay Area Jammers Message-ID: <199708041853.LAA26319@italy.it.earthlink.net>
Hey!
If there are any Bay Area (CA) jammers who have nothing to do tonight, GWAR is playing at the Edge in Palo Alto. I don't have a ticket yet but I do plan on being there to witness the gor-gor. :)
Grinder
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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 14:10:03 +0000 From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: whoa...Fates Warning Live! Message-ID: <33E5E2BB.2FF3@sprynet.com>
hello.
Just thought I'd do a quick review of the Fates Warning gig August 3 at Shanahan's in Lafayette, La.
WHOA!
Starting at the beginning, a few friends and I loaded up to go down to Lafayette and find Shanahan's. After driving there we came upon a little club that turned out to be Shanahan's. Not a very fancy place. We saw a dude on the phone(who turned out to be the keyboardist Ed Roth) but the parking lot was empty so we went and got some grub and got back to the club, where a small group of fans had gathered at the bar while Fates were in the playing area doing a sound check. I was actually kind of bummed at first because they were doing APSoG pt 7 and I thought I'd missed half the show. But no...they left the stage and Queensryche "Promised Land" played for a little while.
No opening band and Fates came on at around 10. The crowd was not very big but the club itself wasn't big so it was pretty full. There were actually A LOT more people there that knew fates than I expected. I fully expected there being my friends and I and the regular few people who hang out at these shows but there were people there into Fates. Pretty cool.
Anyway, the show....It was GREAT! The setlist was (and I know this has been posted before but there was some questioning so I'll post it again: 1)APSoG 2)Life in Still Water 3)Face the Fear 4)Monument 5)11th Hour 6)We only say goodbye
Ray Alder said after APSoG that they usually leave and come back for encore but the place had nowhere for them to go so they'd just stay up there and play. And play did they....whoa. Mark Zonder is something to watch. People were yelling "MARK ZONDER IS GOD!!" "MARK ZONDER!!!" and stuff all night. Ray's voice was great too. He hit some HIGH notes and sounded pretty good for most of the show. He even jumped off stage and stood by us while trying to get Joey Vera's attention acting like a fan. The songs were pretty faithful to the recorded versions. Frank Aresti's solos were generally replaced by Keyboard solos which I thought were ok but one of my guitar player friends didn't like. Bass was really good and he had some nice backing vocals too. Small stage for them so it didn't allow them to move around much. Really cool band and a cool show. Man, I can't get over the fact that they actually came to Louisiana! I had my doubts all the way up until I saw them jamming on stage. They didn't have any shirts or anything like that for sale. The crowd was really into the show (watching in amazement at Mark Zonder a lot of times) and it was something to remember. Now i need to see DT live...
Next week: QUEENSRYCHE! September - STRAPPING YOUNG LAD!!! (and testament too)
Later Phillip Cool CD of the day: Fates Warning "A Pleasant Shade of Gray"
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 13:21:34 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: KEVIN SHIRLEY DIE! DIE! DIE! Message-ID: <199708041920.MAA19104@odin.ax.com>
>The moment you've been waiting for: The first Shirley-sucks post. Ok, maybe it >wasn't *his* fault, but I need a scapegoat now!
WHAT IS THIS SHIT?
>Why? I just heard the MP3 of "You Not Me" and it sucks. I'm not one of the >progressive-hardliners who can't stand simple songs or something. It's because >they totally ruined a potential hit-single!
This is TRASH! I'd put it in a fucking trash can! Oh, wait.
This only proves that Queensryche is a much better band than Dream Theater! Oh, wait.
DIE! DIE! DIE! FUCK YOU! No... Not that either.
Let me make up my mind and I'll get back to you later. heheh Poor misguided dwarven chancre... Ozzy rules. Um... heheh
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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 21:35:10 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@KR.FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Burning My Soul Message-ID: <33E6AD7E.6B9B@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
My english is not good :-)))))
DT have cut one of their best song's "Burning My Soul" ?!?!?
I'm new in this list. Have DT Cut any other song as well ?
Now I don't like MP anymore.
On the IRC Chat he said, they have only major changes on "Lines In The Sand".
He is really a liar.
MP always says that, DT are against confirmity. DT do what only they like.
Ha ha ha. In 97 they only do what the producer and the record company want.
Cuts here cuts there, commerical Ballads and ....
MP also said : "Kevin (the shit main stream producer) is the right man for us.
Maybe he should work with DAVID FOSTER to have only 3 min Radio Hit and shits
like that.
How could they cut the best part of the song ? It's really a shame.
Are you agree with me ?
We should maybe sign a petition for the band to record the complete 9 min
of "Burning My Soul".
I'm really a big Dream Theater fan but I think in 1997, as the best Prog
band in the world, DT (specially MP) are in a worng way.
------------------------------------ By the way I've now my own Progressive Music Page called "PROG OR DIE".
This page is based on DT, Fates Warning, Royal Hunt and Shadow Gallery.
Visit my page and tel me you oppinion and suggestions.
URL : http://lionel.kr.fh-niederrhein.de/~ashouria/index.htm
Let Light Sorround You
P.S. Has anybody Trial Of Tears as mp3 ?
ARASH ASHOURIHA email : ashouria@kr.fh-niederrhein.de
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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 13:18:15 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Burning My Soul Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970804131127.1010C-100000@general5.asu.edu>
*cackle* Oh boy, am I glad I missed out on getting a good listen to the original demos/bootlegs? *boggle* Anyhoo, the album's not out yet, and yer callin' it sell-out trash, eh? I've heard (over the phone, through a computer file, yech) the mp file, and I thought it rocked...despite the very low sound quality. What shocked me the most were the vocals...they didn't sound anything like Awake or Images and Words! I thought some insane ytsejammer might have gone 'n assassinated James 'n gotten a replacement...but it kicked ass! I still need to listen to the full song though. I wonder who the stuffy posh voice belonged to "This is Dream Theater's first release in 10 years...."
*cackle* You can please some of the people all of the time, and you can please all of the people some of the time... I'm one of the lucky ones who's pleased by Dream Theater all of the time. ;)
~Eckie
P.S.- NO! NOT THAT WAY! Ya sick dirty minded....
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:42:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Trouble with younotme.mp3 Message-ID: <199708042042.QAA22029@acmez.gatech.edu>
I don't know if anyone else had trouble getting this thing to play, because of course, it could just be me, but I tried a couple different players and one plays the first three seconds and then craps out, whereas the other says the file is undecodable because it is not in ISO/MPEG format and it has the wrong Hufman Tables.......I have no idea what's up. If anyone can lend a useful bit of info, I'd appreciate it. I'd love to hear this song........
Eric
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:56:08 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Mp3 help... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970804175503.799A-100000@ritchie.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Corey Bell wrote:
> Is there anyone out there that can tell me what I need to play > Mp3's? I really want to hear the new stuff but I don't think my computer > will play it. Are there any other versions, wav or realaudio, out there > yet? Thanks in advance.
Maybe you could go to www.mpeg.org (*NOT* www.mpeg.COM) to see more about this format and to get programs that will play the MP3 files.
> See ya, > Corey
Hope this helps, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:59:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Albert Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: You Not Me Message-ID: <199708042059.QAA03093@brickbat9.mindspring.com>
Yo!
I just heard You Not Me from the Swifty site, thanks to the tip by Dr. Mosh. It's an awesome song. The guitar is kinda back in the mix - drums and bass up front (I should say snare and bass), but I know I'll be able to tell all the sounds when the CD comes out. I love the harmonies. I think they're at least as good as the ones in To Live Forever (hmm I wonder if Merlo thinks the same thing). But you know what it reminds me of? Some Journey, of course, but mainly 80s Kansas, like "Play the Game Tonight" - the chord progression in the chorus is very similar in both songs. Of course, I love Kansas, so it's a good thing :) Overal I think it sounds like an 80s song, without all those reverbs and processors and eletronic sounds that were popular at that time. Or you could see it as just a great song =] Can't wait to hear the real thing, and all the other songs! This is gonna be so cool!
~KillMary
Now playing in my 25 CD changer... nah I'm not gonna type all that. And you don't care anyway! But I'm listening to Bruce Dickinson's Accident of Birth.
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:09:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fantasy Football-2 spots open Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970804170806.23236A-100000@bdmserver>
The Ytsejam Fantasy Football League at espn.com password "majesty" has only 2 slots left open. So if you have been delaying joining up then you better join up soon or miss out.
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 23:10:54 +0200 From: David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: You not me MP3 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970804231054.0084e100@pronet.it>
I hacve downloaded the file..but it doesn't work...could anyone help...the same problem I have with the John Petrucci's impossible mission......
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 14:23:33 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MPEG 3 Players INFO Message-ID: <199708042123.OAA02006@gms.gmsnet.com>
Alright... for all of you having troubles...
You CANNOT play MPEG 1 Layer 3 files through a normal MPEG player like Streamworks or the sort... you need to download an MP3 player.
You can get WinAMP from the following address... this is in my opinion the best MP3 player, but be forewarned, if you're not running a Pentium 100 at least, forget it, this program is very CPU and GUI intensive, you may experience skipping and clipping if your machine is not fast enough.
WinAMP: http://winamp.lh.net
Also! You can get WinPlay which is more efficient, but not as fancy.
WinPlay sources:
www.mpeg3.com
If you have ANY problems... DO *NOT* e-mail me... I will probably ignore you... I ain't tech support... send e-mail to Chris Merlo if you have a question... hahahahah
There are players available for Linux and other versions of Unix on various sites... don't ask where... :P
-The Doc
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